saintfully Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Eh? He ran a Tory government that called themselves "New Labour". Watching him trying to defend the Iraq war has to be one of the most cringeworthy pieces of television for many years. Half of the justifications he is using now (and didn't use just before the invasion first happened) are illegal under international war. Him and Bush were one of the most dangerous world leaders in modern history. A pairing who condemned Iraq (and now Iran) as terrorist havens with mere speculation and fabricated evidence, whilst giving their whole backing and support to an apartheid-practising, despicable Israeli regime, whose human rights atrocities currently rivalled those committed under Saddam +1 Although I'm not entirely comfortable with direct comparison between Israel and Saddam... no Palestinian villages gassed yet - not far off, I agree, but still - there is a difference in the degree to which both regimes act(ed) in a disgusting manner... much like our alliance in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 yes because that stopped the Tories allowing inequality to grow massively, tuition fees to be introduced and the country taken into a disasterous illegal war....oh Much of that stuff would have happened whoever was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 +1 Although I'm not entirely comfortable with direct comparison between Israel and Saddam... no Palestinian villages gassed yet - not far off, I agree, but still - there is a difference in the degree to which both regimes act(ed) in a disgusting manner... much like our alliance in Iraq. No the Israelis used phosphorus instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Much of that stuff would have happened whoever was in charge. what sort of **** poor defence is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 No the Israelis used phosphorus instead. Yeah I know, and I also know that civilians in schools were targeted by tanks - but its still the case that the Israeli murders number in the hundreds, whereas Saddams number in the many 1000's. Does that make Saddams crime worse than the Israeli govts ? I would say that it must do, superficially at least. Anyway, back to Bliar - what a monstrous c.unt. Agreed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 (edited) as brown steps down in the next few months.. those who championed blair, brown and nu labour should have a very hard look at themselves....probably the worst legacy left by a government in a generation or 5 Many of us 'Nu Labour' voters wanted change, a move away from a culture of fat cat, industrial/press baron greed. We now know that Bliar was too far to the right, in an effort to win the centre ground. All politicians lie, some more than others. With hindsight Bliar has turned out to be almost as corrupt and power mad as the Barmy Beatch. Will I vote Tory at the next election? Edited 31 January, 2010 by EastleighSoulBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 what sort of **** poor defence is that? It's not a defence, I'm just making the point that they are all as bad as each other IMO. The sooner we get people in power who care about making the country better more than the latest opinion polls the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 It's not a defence, I'm just making the point that they are all as bad as each other IMO. The sooner we get people in power who care about making the country better more than the latest opinion polls the better. not understanding you, first of all it's ok for Labour to be in power no matter how bad they are simply because they'll keep the Tories out, now their all as bad as each other :confused: We'll get one of three things after the next election, 1) a Tory government with a slight majority, 2) or a hung parliament, meaning the government will have to be formed through a coalition of Labour, Tories or Lib Dems (I don't know this but I should think the vast majority will be made up of Labour and the Tories) meaning we'll effectively get a Tory government. 3) or Brown will make a miraculous recovery and secure Labour another term, meaning we get a Tory government that call themselves "New Labour" no wonder why a hell of a lot of people don't bother to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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