hypochondriac Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Why do you take issue with him? I don't understand why some people have vendettas against other people on a message board. It makes no sensicle. Really good run of form we got going at the moment, hope we can keep it up and slowly grind our way towards the playoffs. If our form stays near the best in the league, this will happen. Agree on both counts.
NickG Posted 13 December, 2009 Author Posted 13 December, 2009 I think Nick G needs to get out a bit more. took your pm apology at face value, thought you were going to stay away from these threads? Not going to rise to your personal baiting on this, or other thread sorry. Enjoy the form.
St. Jason Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Speaks for itself!!! What's it saying????
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 read the thread title, think about it then apologise for your error;) Thanks for your PM apology - I accept it!
The9 Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I agree. I keep telling Liverpool fans they've won 3 and drawn 1 European Cup finals and have 1 draw in the Champions League final. One of my fondest memories was our 2-2 draw at Old Trafford in the FA Cup in 1992. Can't remember the last team we actually won there. They won the competition on penalties but drew the matches... duh. 90 minutes is when the score counts, wins after extra time are wins aet but the bookies will pay out on the draw, "wins" on penalties are just draws, just as penalty shootout goalscorers don't count towards the scoring charts...
The9 Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 So England drew the 1966 World Cup Final then? No, they won after extra time. They drew in the 90 minutes. Brazil and Italy drew the 1994 World Cup Final 0-0 aet, then Brazil won on penalties.
St. Jason Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 No, they won after extra time. They drew in the 90 minutes. Brazil and Italy drew the 1994 World Cup Final 0-0 aet, then Brazil won on penalties. So they won then!!!
sadoldgit Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 It is a real shame but it seems that some of our fans cannot handle the good run of form and seem to be waiting for us to lose again before they feel they have anything to say. I don't get it, after the last few years you would think they would be euphoric? Perhaps they are still pinning for Pearson??? And by the win, winning on penalities means that you have won the match otherwise what is the point of them???.
St. Jason Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 It is a real shame but it seems that some of our fans cannot handle the good run of form and seem to be waiting for us to lose again before they feel they have anything to say. I don't get it, after the last few years you would think they would be euphoric? Perhaps they are still pinning for Pearson??? And by the win, winning on penalities means that you have won the match otherwise what is the point of them???. I'm euphoric old Saint, I was extremely euphoric last night and I'm just getting changed to get a little more euphoric this afternoon!! Ps. It feels great to be a Saint, enjoy it, embrace it, live it, love it, eat it, breath it, we've got our club back. No Lowe, no relegation, no crazy experiments just football, winning football. COME ON YOU REDS!!
La BoIS Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 In the days before penalty shootouts ties were decided on the toss of a coin. Presumably no one is seriously saying that correctly choosing heads or tails has any bearing on the performance during the match. As I understand it for official records purposes a game decided on penalties goes down as a draw. For betting purposes payouts are generally based on 90 minutes (+ added time!) play, unless it is a special bet. Extra time counts for offical results purposes so a win in extra time properly counts as a win.
St. Jason Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 In the days before penalty shootouts ties were decided on the toss of a coin. Presumably no one is seriously saying that correctly choosing heads or tails has any bearing on the performance during the match. As I understand it for official records purposes a game decided on penalties goes down as a draw. For betting purposes payouts are generally based on 90 minutes (+ added time!) play, unless it is a special bet. Extra time counts for offical results purposes so a win in extra time properly counts as a win. So if I put £30 on Saints to WIN the fa cup tomorrow, and we beat Man Utd on penalties in the final betfred won't pay out?????? Exactly, a win is a win is a win!
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I remember being peed of at burley for LOSING the playoffs against derby.. I was TOLD that burley was unlucky and did well to beat derby.. well, im happy to see the torquay game as a win as it shows burleys record as being that little bit poorer...as that means we lost both games against Derby that time
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I remember being peed of at burley for LOSING the playoffs against derby.. I was TOLD that burley was unlucky and did well to beat derby.. well, im happy to see the torquay game as a win as it shows burleys record as being that little bit poorer...as that means we lost both games against Derby that time You're spot on. However, we were slightly unlucky - did you forget that Leon Best own goal?
OttawaSaint Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 who gives a flying chocolate-covered **** whether it was a win or a draw, the point of this thread is to celebrate the great run we are on, either help celebrate it or don't post. WELL DONE SAINTS, you are making footie fun again.
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 You're spot on. However, we were slightly unlucky - did you forget that Leon Best own goal? either way....we lost both games...fukking burley
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 either way....we lost both games...fukking burley Great way to use your 9000th post
Neil Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 WON Tranmere 3-0 Lambert (2) Harding WON Walsall 3-1 Connolly, Lambert, Hammond WON Wycombe 1-0 Lambert WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo I've taken out the Cup games, inc. the draw against Torquay! Pretty good reading, apart from the 'blip' in the middle. Wonder if Lambert or Lallana can bag a hat-trick soon?
CB Fry Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 I've taken out the Cup games, inc. the draw against Torquay! Pretty good reading, apart from the 'blip' in the middle. Wonder if Lambert or Lallana can bag a hat-trick soon? I think subsequent versions of these threads should take out the cup games altogether, as the point is surely league form and our unstoppable progress towards the play off final . Form doesn't matter in cup games because once you've lost a game (or gone out on penalties ) you're out of the competition. And for the love of god it would stop the tedius debates about the Torquay game. Especially as the proper answer to the question was answered a lifetime ago. The match was drawn, and the cup tie was decided on penalties. We won the cup tie.
Matthew Le God Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 NickG from now on use this... ????? Colchester ????? Exeter ????? Leeds WON Tranmere 3-0 Lambert (2) Harding WON Walsall 3-1 Connolly, Lambert, Hammond WON Wycombe 1-0 Lambert WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo
Saint_clark Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Or even this; WON Tranmere 3-0 Lambert (2) Harding WON Walsall 3-1 Connolly, Lambert, Hammond WON Wycombe 1-0 Lambert PROGRESSED Northampton 3-2 Waigo, Lallana, Hammond WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert PROGRESSED Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert PROGRESSED Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman PROGRESSED Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2) WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo
Matthew Le God Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Well that would stop the Torquay debate. Use progressed or knocked out in capitals, makes it clear at a glance which were cup games.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 December, 2009 Posted 13 December, 2009 Or even this; WON Tranmere 3-0 Lambert (2) Harding WON Walsall 3-1 Connolly, Lambert, Hammond WON Wycombe 1-0 Lambert PROGRESSED Northampton 3-2 Waigo, Lallana, Hammond WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert PROGRESSED Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert PROGRESSED Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman PROGRESSED Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2) WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo Better! so in summary we have only W8, D2, L1, P4
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Well that would stop the Torquay debate. Use progressed or knocked out in capitals, makes it clear at a glance which were cup games. Are we talking about results or outcomes?
NickG Posted 14 December, 2009 Author Posted 14 December, 2009 thought using fixtures rather than games sorted that!
ericofarabia Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 It will all come to a grinding halt on Saturday ... I'm back and will be at Elland Road (unless any SWF members spot me and keep me drinking in the pub all afternoon ) Don't expect any decent results until after Jan 8th when I fly back In my defence the major reason for my p!ss poor track record over the years is all my games are at the start of each season, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario, am I just unlucky coz we are crap at the start of each season, or are we crap coz I am back in the UK :cool: And of course the games I see out here are already jinxed by being Live on SKY Please let me get this monkey off my back and let my 3rd Elland road visit be a lucky one (so far 1 loss and 1 draw so a win is over due)
saintwarwick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 We drew the match and went through on penalties. Anything else is a matter for the bookies. Only the winner goes through to the next round, we won hence our game against Charlton in the next round, hth.
LaptopSaint Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Never mind the last 15 games - it's now 19 games and 14 weeks since we last failed to score (Colchester at home 0-0). When does that run start to get us towards record-breaking territory? Stattos?
wild-saint Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Are penalties not used to decide who wins the game? Im 38 and have seen a fair few pen shoot outs and that was always my understanding, please feel free to update my flawed knowledge.
krissyboy31 Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Only the winner goes through to the next round, we won hence our game against Charlton in the next round, hth. I agree. In a two legged cup-tie, penalties decide the winner of the tie but in a one off match penalties decide the winner of the match.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Take it up with FIFA. The penalty kicks do not form part of the match but are a means of deciding which team progresses to the next stage.
wild-saint Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Take it up with FIFA. The penalty kicks do not form part of the match but are a means of deciding which team progresses to the next stage. So the which of these two words ... WINNING / LOSING best describes the team who progresses into the next round?
mikec Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 So if I put £30 on Saints to WIN the fa cup tomorrow, and we beat Man Utd on penalties in the final betfred won't pay out?????? Exactly, a win is a win is a win! If you had bet on Saints to win the cup overall, the bookies would pay out. If you had specifically bet on the result of the final you would lose. As others have said, it's the result after 90 minutes that usually counts for betting purposes.
saintwarwick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Take it up with FIFA. The penalty kicks do not form part of the match but are a means of deciding which team progresses to the next stage. Don't need to, we won through, end of.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 So the which of these two words ... WINNING / LOSING best describes the team who progresses into the next round? Technically, legally, that is probably the correct word but I don't really care, it's only one for the statisticians. All I care about is who goes through
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 So England drew the 1966 World Cup Final then?Exactly, what a nonsense. Did Liverpool only draw the European cup or Germany etc not beat us in the Euro 's all those years ago??? What about when you let a goal in at 90+ 4 does that not count.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Exactly, what a nonsense. Did Liverpool only draw the European cup or Germany etc not beat us in the Euro 's all those years ago??? What about when you let a goal in at 90+ 4 does that not count. We are talking about penalties to decide the outcome of the match, not extra time or time allowed for stoppages. It's only a matter for the historians and usually such matches have the riders a.e.t. or 2-2 at full time, so-and-so went through on penalties. So England won the World Cup in 1966, Italy knocked us out of Italia '90 after the match was drawn. Personally I have never considered any team to have won anything if the final was decided on penalty kicks, you might just as well toss a coin.
Hatch Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 It was a draw. The tie could have been settled on a game of poker, javelin throwing, soggy biscuit, anything. Just happened to be penalties as there was a ball and a goal lying around at the end, so they might as well have made use of them. The game of football was a draw.
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 We are talking about penalties to decide the outcome of the match, not extra time or time allowed for stoppages. It's only a matter for the historians and usually such matches have the riders a.e.t. or 2-2 at full time, so-and-so went through on penalties. So England won the World Cup in 1966, Italy knocked us out of Italia '90 after the match was drawn. Personally I have never considered any team to have won anything if the final was decided on penalty kicks, you might just as well toss a coin. It does not give you the same satisfaction of winning in the initial 90mins I agree, but you have beaten your opponent within the agreed rules. I myself would rather the teams play until a goal is scored, even then that would not be within the 90mins.
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 The game of football was a draw.Resulting in a win
Hatch Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 If we draw next week v Luton, then beat them in the replay, Does the first match suddenly become a win?
MbaleSaint Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 I remember being peed of at burley for LOSING the playoffs against derby.. I was TOLD that burley was unlucky and did well to beat derby.. well, im happy to see the torquay game as a win as it shows burleys record as being that little bit poorer...as that means we lost both games against Derby that time Lost first leg 1-0, WON second leg 3-2, lost play-off on penalties. You can't lose a match when you score more goals than the opposition!
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 If we draw next week v Luton, then beat them in the replay, Does the first match suddenly become a win? I'm not sure on this, but I think we would have won the replay and hence won the tie, but don't quote me.
OldNick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 If we draw next week v Luton, then beat them in the replay, Does the first match suddenly become a win? No because the laws of the game and the agreement the outcome/winner is decided is that there is a replay if a winner is not decided in the first 90 minutes. In a one off deciding game then the winner was saints. Against Derby in the play off semi, we won the 90 minutes but lost the game
saintwarwick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 If we draw next week v Luton, then beat them in the replay, Does the first match suddenly become a win? We didn't play Torquay in a replay hth
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 Lost first leg 1-0, WON second leg 3-2, lost play-off on penalties. You can't lose a match when you score more goals than the opposition! how can we have won when we lost on penalties.. we lost...simple as that..as much as we beat torquay
saintwarwick Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 how can we have won when we lost on penalties.. we lost...simple as that..as much as we beat torquay He said we won the second leg not the tie
Thedelldays Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 He said we won the second leg not the tie just like saying we drew the game against torquay
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 just like saying we drew the game against torquay I'm glad we can agree at last.
The Majestic Channon Posted 14 December, 2009 Posted 14 December, 2009 As the media would have said ' southampton WON on penalties v torquay' we won , we scored more penalties which was part and parcel of the game, simple.
brmbrm Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/FixturesResults/0,,10280,00.html Tue 6 19:00 H Torquay United JPT (S) W If the OS reckons we won, I reckon we won.
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