Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 wasn't it the home performances that the chairman used to get rid of Southgate? it takes time nick...ask pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 its not me to convince! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 13 December, 2009 Share Posted 13 December, 2009 it takes time nick...ask pardew Only someone with an agenda or who is extremely naive would expect instant success when a manager takes over at a new club, the ' pardew out' posts a couple of months ago beggared believe. As stated strach had a dodgy start with us and lawrie oversaw our relegation in his first season, our 2 most succesfull managers in the last 30 years . I hope Gordon comes good at boro, even if it will be a bitter pil to swallow for certain ' fans'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 No you avoid them as you have no response other than droning on and on about your one point. You are rather depressingly easy to beat in a debate... And as for being called repetitive by you? Possibly the funniest thing I've read on here... oh the irony.. And in the land of the manic depressives, you're the royal family.... Daren you don't debate you chide and bully and feed off the inevitable reaction. Nice comment again on mental illness if you want to play the 'lets belittle serious illness' game then where shall we start? Your pathetic prejudice doesn't hurt me Daren, not least because it's wildly inaccurate but it may affect many others on this forum. To think you use to get upset when I once used the word cancer. Using double standards again Daren to suit your agenda? If I remember I used 'cancer' to describe IMO the way McMenemy acted in and around the club at the time and you got all shirty about it because you thought I was being harsh on McMenemy and that I had no concept how insulting that word was to him and others who made read my post and were suffering from the illness and you informed me and those who read it, how your Mum was terminally ill with the disease and then we had the whole shirtgate debate where the routes of your hatred of me really lie I guess. As far as I am aware 'manic depressive' does not have an additional meaning as the word 'cancer' and you Daren clearly have no idea how damaging ridiculing mental illness can be, especially when you try to target someone who you think may be suffering from a certain condition? Seems you are an equally hateful individual as you see me being and maybe a tad 'sick' yourself. Anyway enough of that, it's amazing how quickly a dose of Swiss chemotheapy sorted out that particular illness, just ask him to buy a ticket. We can only guess McMenemy's reaction but i wish I had been there but in this case IMO actions spoke louder than words and whose opinion on McMenemy has been vindicated in hindsight? No doubt we both wish all cures were that simple. Back on track nice to see Dave Jones win the battle of the ex-Saints managers earlier on. A decent man who has quietly got on with his job and at times in trying circumstances and without the bizarre wit and comment of Strachan who no doubt will be looking for some married players in the transfer window. Apparently that's an important weapon in a players armoury at least at Boro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Daren you don't debate you chide and bully and feed off the inevitable reaction. Nice comment again on mental illness if you want to play the 'lets belittle serious illness' game then where shall we start? Your pathetic prejudice doesn't hurt me Daren, not least because it's wildly inaccurate but it may affect many others on this forum. To think you use to get upset when I once used the word cancer. Using double standards again Daren to suit your agenda? If I remember I used 'cancer' to describe IMO the way McMenemy acted in and around the club at the time and you got all shirty about it because you thought I was being harsh on McMenemy and that I had no concept how insulting that word was to him and others who made read my post and were suffering from the illness and you informed me and those who read it, how your Mum was terminally ill with the disease and then we had the whole shirtgate debate where the routes of your hatred of me really lie I guess. As far as I am aware 'manic depressive' does not have an additional meaning as the word 'cancer' and you Daren clearly have no idea how damaging ridiculing mental illness can be, especially when you try to target someone who you think may be suffering from a certain condition? Seems you are an equally hateful individual as you see me being and maybe a tad 'sick' yourself. Anyway enough of that, it's amazing how quickly a dose of Swiss chemotheapy sorted out that particular illness, just ask him to buy a ticket. We can only guess McMenemy's reaction but i wish I had been there but in this case IMO actions spoke louder than words and whose opinion on McMenemy has been vindicated in hindsight? No doubt we both wish all cures were that simple. Back on track nice to see Dave Jones win the battle of the ex-Saints managers earlier on. A decent man who has quietly got on with his job and at times in trying circumstances and without the bizarre wit and comment of Strachan who no doubt will be looking for some married players in the transfer window. Apparently that's an important weapon in a players armoury at least at Boro. Ah, so maybe now you see how offensive your jibes were when you were on other messageboards making crass "tin rattler" comments. Now the shoes on the other foot you take umbrage? You posted all sorts of vile crap on other messageboards about me and now I return the favour and you get all pious? Amazing... You were all too ready to twist my comments and views so as to make me appear twisted with grief and manically taking that grief out on the club. You were all too quick to state my articles were riddled with bile and poison and yet conveniently forgetting you've publicly stated on here you've never read any of articles. So it's quite amazing to fathom out how you could comment on all of that "bile and poison" when you've never read any of my articles? Embellishing the truth to score points??? Surely not... My problem always with you has always been that you took the facts and twisted them so much as to become a lie, and when you bear in mind it was the circumstances surrounding my mum's cancer, and how I sought to make something positive out of the negative, you were using to twist and distort you can see why I loathe and detest you. How you endlessly ignored points I raised in regards to my disappointment with the club to make me sound unreasonable and slightly demented... You don't like comments about your own mental illness, well you reap what you sow. Now perhaps you might see how I felt when you thought my mum's illness was a topic you could take the p1ss out of and use to score cheap points in a pro/anti board debate... Do I feel sympathy for you? Not one jot... You can rot in hell for all I care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Ah, so maybe now you see how offensive your jibes were when you were on other messageboards making crass "tin rattler" comments. Now the shoes on the other foot you take umbrage? You posted all sorts of vile crap on other messageboards about me and now I return the favour and you get all pious? Amazing... You were all too ready to twist my comments and views so as to make me appear twisted with grief and manically taking that grief out on the club. You were all too quick to state my articles were riddled with bile and poison and yet conveniently forgetting you've publicly stated on here you've never read any of articles. So it's quite amazing to fathom out how you could comment on all of that "bile and poison" when you've never read any of my articles? Embellishing the truth to score points??? Surely not... My problem always with you has always been that you took the facts and twisted them so much as to become a lie, and when you bear in mind it was the circumstances surrounding my mum's cancer, and how I sought to make something positive out of the negative, you were using to twist and distort you can see why I loathe and detest you. How you endlessly ignored points I raised in regards to my disappointment with the club to make me sound unreasonable and slightly demented... You don't like comments about your own mental illness, well you reap what you sow. Now perhaps you might see how I felt when you thought my mum's illness was a topic you could take the p1ss out of and use to score cheap points in a pro/anti board debate... Do I feel sympathy for you? Not one jot... You can rot in hell for all I care... Daren I stand by everything I said at the time and I never made it personal against your Mum and there were and still are other ways of raising money for charity if you still feel strongly about it. I never took the **** out of you merely responded to your insults and complete refusal to accept that the club may have had a reasonable policy to stem the floodgates. In any event I never showed any prejudice towards cancer or those impacted by the disease and as you well know my wife is in remission for Breast Cancer and had a masectomy 3 years aqo so I know a lot about what you went through and others but neither do I expect anything from anybody. we just got on with it. That's life and now I know how you feel I guess we should simply put each other on ignore. Good luck in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Can't you two just drop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Can't you two just drop it? +1 ****ing can it, grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Can't you two just drop it? Verbal, Hulk. Do you think I enjoy this? Do you think I don't look at these posts and feel the same as you? Of course I do. However what people need to understand is Why I feel so strongly about this poster. This is a messageboard and of course people will deliberately misinterpret what you say to help prove their point. Sundance Beast/19c went just too far. The most frustrating thing, he hasn't just misinterpreted my words he's lied and when you think about the subject matter am I alone in thinking he crossed a line?? He's still doing it.."the club may have had a reasonable policy to stem the floodgates." Again, all I asked was for permission to collect money on club property. All I asked was for permission to get my mum's shirt signed and a photo taken. People have photos taken and shirts signed all the time at Staplewood but with my mum's condition I had to know that it could be/would be done. I asked for permission and the club couldn't be bothered to reply. Again he's twisted the truth and run with it for all he's worth... "You asked the club for money." No I didn't, I asked the club if I could collect money on club property. "You threw a sulk when the club refused" No I didn't, I expressed real disappointment that the club couldn't be bothered to reply to a charity request. "Shirtgate, you asked the cub for a signed shirt for your mother" No I didn't, shirt and pen were bought and paid for, all I ask for was the wrist action from the players to sign it. The club at that time, couldn't be bothered. "You wrote articles full of bile and poison when you didn't get your way." no I didn't and he's admitted he's never read my articles. "You only raised money for cancer as it affects your family" Sorry, but could he be more offensive? It's easy for other posters to get ****ed off with me for reacting so aggressively. I don't blame you. But put yourself in my shoes. I just feel so powerless, it's as if people are listening to him and not me and it's completely and utterly frustrating. My mum is dying, the cancer she has will kill her sooner rather than later. After months of feeling depressed and sorry for myself I decided to do something positive and raise money for cancer research and hopefully help someone else in my sort of position. Now to have that action then turned to appear selfish and self centred is just about the worst thing, I think, that has ever happened to me. It is the most intensely personal thing in the world to me, now ask yourself, how would you feel if someone took the most private and personal thing to you and used it against you? I hazard a guess you'd be angry too. I may be naive but when someone you love has a terminal disease, any money you raise won't help them. It does, however, make me feel better in thinking that doing something might help someone else and stop one family going through what we're going through... And let me tell you it's hell. Sundance Beast 19c took that and made it seem dirty, greedy and selfish. I will never forgive him, will never play nicey nicey with him and no matter how he tries to play the reasonable wide eyed innocent now it will never cut the ice with me. I will always remember the way he deliberately twisted my words and somehow took someone who was trying to raise money for charity and was rightly disappointed that the club couldn't be bothered to reply, and did his level best to make me appear selfish and slightly demented. I loathe and despise him but at least I'm honest about it. I will put him on ignore quite gladly as his recent digs at Le Tissier, McMenemy and now Strachan, just sicken me. But if he is really means what he says and is genuine in his desire to draw a line... don't reply. I'd hazard a guess that his desire to have the last word will be just too strong but we'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Darren, 19c. My mother died of cancer on Friday, I have personally had serious mental issues in the past. I find your debate over these two issues in relation to football crass in the extreme and you both should be ashamed of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 daren and 19...just drop it you are both as bad as each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Darren, 19c. My mother died of cancer on Friday, I have personally had serious mental issues in the past. I find your debate over these two issues in relation to football crass in the extreme and you both should be ashamed of yourself. Point taken. Apologies given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 daren and 19...just drop it you are both as bad as each other Actually they are nowhere near, not even close. Daren's arguments and points of view make sense and are consistent. His only mistake, something a lot of us are guilty of, is rising to 19C's bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Did you know that in some parts of Scotland, Strachan is pronounced 'Strawn' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Did you know that in some parts of Scotland, Strachan is pronounced 'Strawn' ? I would imagine they have their own pronounceation in parts of Middlesbrough too at the the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemantle Saint Posted 16 December, 2009 Share Posted 16 December, 2009 Darren, 19c. My mother died of cancer on Friday, I have personally had serious mental issues in the past. I find your debate over these two issues in relation to football crass in the extreme and you both should be ashamed of yourself. My mum died of cancer on the 14th of january... Sorry for your loss but 19c is a complete ****. Daren is spot on. Why is a banned poster allowed to post this ****e anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 17 December, 2009 Share Posted 17 December, 2009 Darren is a nice bloke, he wont remember me but I worked with him for a very short while. 19c is very odd on the main bored, but some of his comments on topics in the Lounge are pretty spot on IMO. I just think that people need to step back sometimes and realise that there is more to life than TSWF and Southampton FC sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Darren is a nice bloke, he wont remember me but I worked with him for a very short while. 19c is very odd on the main bored, but some of his comments on topics in the Lounge are pretty spot on IMO. I just think that people need to step back sometimes and realise that there is more to life than TSWF and Southampton FC sometimes. Where did we work then? I'm intrigued now! No, you're absolutely right and I got so caught up in my own issues that I didn't realise I was upsetting other people and for that I am genuinely, genuinely sorry. I guess I felt no one was listening when I felt my words were being distorted. But you are so right, there is so much more to life then football or this damn messageboard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Where did we work then? I'm intrigued now! No, you're absolutely right and I got so caught up in my own issues that I didn't realise I was upsetting other people and for that I am genuinely, genuinely sorry. I guess I felt no one was listening when I felt my words were being distorted. But you are so right, there is so much more to life then football or this damn messageboard.. Shankley would disagree! I always think if people that argue on here were in the pub together it would get heated but they would end up shaking hands and move on over a pint! I fell out with a mate over a text if it was said face to face no offence would have been taken!!!;-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Where did we work then? I'm intrigued now! No, you're absolutely right and I got so caught up in my own issues that I didn't realise I was upsetting other people and for that I am genuinely, genuinely sorry. I guess I felt no one was listening when I felt my words were being distorted. But you are so right, there is so much more to life then football or this damn messageboard.. If you are who I think you are, and I could be mistaken, you worked at British Gas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 If you are who I think you are, and I could be mistaken, you worked at British Gas... I'm still there mate! Give me a clue then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 I'm still there mate! Give me a clue then... I had to subscribe again now! 1995, Red hair, bad suit, once told you that I liked your artwork in OTM. I was only there for a short space of time, but it was at the time when Bobby Stokes died and I think we had a chat at the time. I was only 19. I doubt you will recall though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 No chance are they as bad as each other. 19C should be ashamed for how he has acted with this issue. Daren there are people out there who totally see where you are coming from and who agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 19C should be ashamed for how he has acted with this issue. Which particular issue are you referring to ??? There are so many to choose from with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Which particular issue are you referring to ??? There are so many to choose from with him. Specifically how he has spoken about Daren's mother and her cancer. No matter how much he protests his innocence, he knows full well how his comments would be interpreted. I pointed it out to him at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MbaleSaint Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 I remember the 1-0 home defeat to Steau Bucharest, where having them watched several times playing 442, they turned out in a 352 formation. Completely bamboozled us in the first half until we made changes, but the damage had been done. I remember when he quoted the slight surprise that they turned out in 352, even more surprised when one of the journo's asked, "don't they normally do that in European competitions?" Sorry to bring this back to football, but wasn't the Steau home leg 1-1? Kevin Phillips scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Specifically how he has spoken about Daren's mother and her cancer. No matter how much he protests his innocence, he knows full well how his comments would be interpreted. I pointed it out to him at the time. Of course he knew what he was doing , that's how low he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Daren, I wasn't seeking to blame anyone and I understand where you're coming from. But you're quite mistaken to believe that you're isolated on this issue. I think most people (if not everyone) know full well that 19C was shockingly wrong, and should really have respectfully withdrawn the original comments. I just think - as your reply suggests - that reliving the incident so 'publicly' isn't helping anyone, not least of all you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Sorry to bring this back to football Inexcusable imo but wasn't the Steau home leg 1-1? Kevin Phillips scored. Yes reminds me of a quote from someone at the away match when the buses were stuck in the mud, "you'd think with all the Gypsies in this country they would have had tarmac down"" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 18 December, 2009 Share Posted 18 December, 2009 Daren, I wasn't seeking to blame anyone and I understand where you're coming from. But you're quite mistaken to believe that you're isolated on this issue. I think most people (if not everyone) know full well that 19C was shockingly wrong, and should really have respectfully withdrawn the original comments. I just think - as your reply suggests - that reliving the incident so 'publicly' isn't helping anyone, not least of all you. No, I know exactly what you mean, it was hardly my finest hour. Still being told several times by several different people that they understood my point makes a difference. Line drawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Which particular issue are you referring to ??? There are so many to choose from with him. Tame, sounds like if I had accepted your offer of a pint the evening would have been a evening of tumbleweed dodging. Or is your renewed hostility simply a sign that you cannot handle rejection? Hypo as for yourself then yes you told me in a pm to retract my comments but as you pointed out it's not what I said its the way they were likely to be interpretated and if that was the case none of us would ever write anything. I stand by the comments at the time and simply supported the club and belief that it was the right action to take. If people are so shocked that I supported the club's stance on charitable requests then perhaps they should have supported Daren's cause at the time. I appreciate everything was funded by himself and just required the players to sign but if they acted on every request the players would never train as I assume they have plenty of charity and football business signings to do. The same logic applies to the collection for charity on a matchday as you allow one chairty the floodgates will be open for all and how do you turn one down and not the other? I read with interest that the Saints Supporters Charter specifically addresses their Charity Policy whereby they intend to establish the 'application process for charitable requests, with the overriding objective based on ensuring a structured and co-ordinated approach where the value of the club's contribution is optimised at every opportunity.' Now that reads to me as if this has been a major problem for them in the past and hardly surprising as the club is a cornerstone in many peoples lives. I don't doubt for one minute Daren's was an isolated request and that has always been my issue, who should the club say yes to and who to turn away so assuming you can't support every request you have no other fair option but to have a charitable policy and turn adhoc requests away. That has solely been the basis of my argument from day one but Daren chose to personalise it and my only mistake was to retaliate to his insults that now leads him to quote my resultant insults chapter and verse whereas I try to only react to the last post. I have drawn a line under this but in the light of a few posters having their two penneth worth of which they are entilted I wanted to sign off with my side of the story. It was only ever for me about the request and that i did not consider unreasonable for the club to reject it, Daren obvously thought differently and didn't want to hear my opinions and to that all I can say is don't post if you seek nothing but agreement. Finally, I have never insulted Daren's Mum or anyone else for that matter who is suffering from a major illness. In fact the few who genuinely know me on this forum will I believe say I am exactly the opposite to how some would like me to be portrayed and with regards to cancer especially I know first hand how damaging the disease can be on the sufferer and their families but neither do I believe should one case confer rights over another especially when it will affect 1 in 3 of us at sometime in our life. That really is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Tame, sounds like if I had accepted your offer of a pint the evening would have been a evening of tumbleweed dodging. Or is your renewed hostility simply a sign that you cannot handle rejection? Evening ???? I cannot make a pint last all evening!! The offer is still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I have to Laugh on here, can we not ever agree on anything? not even the weather? as to legend .. strachen isnt one says 19C but Daren is one? we do seem to get hung up on whinging about past things such as chairmen, managers & players .. Negativity from some is kinda crazy too, but then the humour is great too I just wish some wouldn't get so negative or bitter & personal at other posters. It's ok to have a different opinion & its our right to express it but do we really need to put others down to get the point over? are our arguments really that weak? FWIW I agree with 19C I dont think Strachen is a LEGEND .. but at that time it was right for club & manager & it worked then, glad he didnt come back as it rare in history that its ever as it was the first time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Tame, sounds like if I had accepted your offer of a pint the evening would have been a evening of tumbleweed dodging. Or is your renewed hostility simply a sign that you cannot handle rejection? Hypo as for yourself then yes you told me in a pm to retract my comments but as you pointed out it's not what I said its the way they were likely to be interpretated and if that was the case none of us would ever write anything. I stand by the comments at the time and simply supported the club and belief that it was the right action to take. If people are so shocked that I supported the club's stance on charitable requests then perhaps they should have supported Daren's cause at the time. I appreciate everything was funded by himself and just required the players to sign but if they acted on every request the players would never train as I assume they have plenty of charity and football business signings to do. The same logic applies to the collection for charity on a matchday as you allow one chairty the floodgates will be open for all and how do you turn one down and not the other? I read with interest that the Saints Supporters Charter specifically addresses their Charity Policy whereby they intend to establish the 'application process for charitable requests, with the overriding objective based on ensuring a structured and co-ordinated approach where the value of the club's contribution is optimised at every opportunity.' Now that reads to me as if this has been a major problem for them in the past and hardly surprising as the club is a cornerstone in many peoples lives. I don't doubt for one minute Daren's was an isolated request and that has always been my issue, who should the club say yes to and who to turn away so assuming you can't support every request you have no other fair option but to have a charitable policy and turn adhoc requests away. That has solely been the basis of my argument from day one but Daren chose to personalise it and my only mistake was to retaliate to his insults that now leads him to quote my resultant insults chapter and verse whereas I try to only react to the last post. I have drawn a line under this but in the light of a few posters having their two penneth worth of which they are entilted I wanted to sign off with my side of the story. It was only ever for me about the request and that i did not consider unreasonable for the club to reject it, Daren obvously thought differently and didn't want to hear my opinions and to that all I can say is don't post if you seek nothing but agreement. Finally, I have never insulted Daren's Mum or anyone else for that matter who is suffering from a major illness. In fact the few who genuinely know me on this forum will I believe say I am exactly the opposite to how some would like me to be portrayed and with regards to cancer especially I know first hand how damaging the disease can be on the sufferer and their families but neither do I believe should one case confer rights over another especially when it will affect 1 in 3 of us at sometime in our life. That really is all. Unbelievable. It's as if you haven't read one single thing I've written in all of this whole stupid mess of a thread. It's as if you're either stupid or deliberately provocative. I do believe I've actually told yo every single reason why i detest you and yet here you are again, treading over the same old ground, ignoring every thing I've said. You're just harping on about about how you've been wronged without a single thought to what you've said and done in regards to me... Thank you, you've just shown to everyone on here exactly what sort of person you are... A scumbag.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooooo Mariaaan Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Boring. Hilarious how seriously some people take this forum though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Unbelievable. It's as if you haven't read one single thing I've written in all of this whole stupid mess of a thread. It's as if you're either stupid or deliberately provocative. I do believe I've actually told yo every single reason why i detest you and yet here you are again, treading over the same old ground, ignoring every thing I've said. You're just harping on about about how you've been wronged without a single thought to what you've said and done in regards to me... Thank you, you've just shown to everyone on here exactly what sort of person you are... A scumbag.... Its obvious hes off his trolley Daren but have to agree he comes across as a horrible hateful piece of sh*te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Unbelievable. It's as if you haven't read one single thing I've written in all of this whole stupid mess of a thread. It's as if you're either stupid or deliberately provocative. I do believe I've actually told yo every single reason why i detest you and yet here you are again, treading over the same old ground, ignoring every thing I've said. You're just harping on about about how you've been wronged without a single thought to what you've said and done in regards to me... Thank you, you've just shown to everyone on here exactly what sort of person you are... A scumbag.... A scumbag who on this occasion had the audacity to back the club over its policy and one that clearly is still giving it some difficulty. I dont presume to show anyone on here what i am like and let them draw their own conclusions as i am sure they draw their own about you. I never expected you to agree with me and given the sensitivity of the subject i didn't expect to much support but that is not reason enough to hold back on giving an opinion if you feel it is justified and i did. If that makes me the lowest of the low so be it but it is an undeniably difficult call for a club to make and they need a policy to prevent having to make unfair decisions in my innocent and humble opinion. Best wishes Daren for a peaceful Christmas and New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 away to Newcaslte this weekend. pressure will continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 before Home won 3, drawn 1, lost 3 Away won 4, drawn 2, lost 1 since Home won 0, drawn 1, lost 3 away won 1, drawn 1, lost 1 Wish him luck, but also feel for his predecessor who was sacked over the home form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 away to Newcaslte this weekend. pressure will continue And thankfully back on subject . I believe that he wont even make the play offs whereas southgate at least knew his players and after a run of poor results was turning it around again and i am sure his last games compare favourably with Strachans . The chairman you can understand for making the call but not by putting in a replacement who on balance offered on more potential than his manager at the time and probably a lot less . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 A scumbag who on this occasion had the audacity to back the club over its policy and one that clearly is still giving it some difficulty. I dont presume to show anyone on here what i am like and let them draw their own conclusions as i am sure they draw their own about you. I never expected you to agree with me and given the sensitivity of the subject i didn't expect to much support but that is not reason enough to hold back on giving an opinion if you feel it is justified and i did. If that makes me the lowest of the low so be it but it is an undeniably difficult call for a club to make and they need a policy to prevent having to make unfair decisions in my innocent and humble opinion. Best wishes Daren for a peaceful Christmas and New Year. It really is time to drop this one. I remember when I read your first post on the subject and it was totally out of order (And said so), the subsequent posts on other boards, were just as bad and you can judge for yourself the opinion of other posters on the subject. It's all very well trying to be contraversial, but you have crossed a line on a very emotive and personal situation and peoples tolerance only lasts for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 McMenemy, the Manager, is not a legend in football but he has earned the title, Southampton Football Club Manager Legend. Results, player signings and the fact Southampton FC gained exposure to the wider world is testement to that. Le Tissier is not quite a football legend as he did not prove the same (because of his individual style) at international level but he has earned the title Southampton Football Club Player Legend. His contribution, individuality in a struggling team and the warmth felt by the majority of supporters is testement to that. Legendary status can be tarnished by later actions but it cannot take away what that person/persons achieved in the past. As for Strachan, he was a decent manager who kept a struggling Coventry in the Premier for longer than many expected. He lifted Southampton to a level only previously achieved by McMenemy. He did a decent job at Celtic but failed to take them to the next level, a competative European side. Southgate should have gone last season but as Gibson stuck with him through that I was suprised he was sacked so early this season when they were competative. However the home crowds were voting with their feet by not turning up in the numbers expected. Has Gibson taken the right decision? Well I think he has installed a better and more experienced Manager that Southgate but time will tell whether Strachan is the right choice. I hope he does the business as, like many Saints supporters, his period with Saints was a happy footballing memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I would be amazed if boro are not promoted by the end of next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Did you know that in some parts of Scotland, Strachan is pronounced 'Strawn' ? I had absolutely no idea! Thanks. I've never been to Scotland but I have noticed that Scottish football managers often pronounce "premier league" as "pwemier weague". I'm not sure if it's drink related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speculator Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 I would be amazed if boro are not promoted by the end of next season... Surely, their only chance now is via the playoffs and there are plenty of banana skins in that pack with some managers like Davies and Jones who know what it takes more than Strachan does in this hellishly difficult league. Had Strachan had the close season and started from game 1 then maybe he could have done something but these days I find his management style too quirky and to keen to get out some pithy or witty comment which IMO is increasingly used to deflect his own shortcomings as oppose to nurture the belief he portrays that he is up there with Ferguson and Clough or had the background to manage the press as they have done and Strachan would like IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pele Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Could I suggest that Darren W and 19C forgive each other! It really is the best option. Happy Christmas one and all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 19 December, 2009 Share Posted 19 December, 2009 Verbal, Hulk. Do you think I enjoy this? Do you think I don't look at these posts and feel the same as you? Of course I do. However what people need to understand is ...>>>> NO what YOU need to understand is it's a saints forum ... both of you have made fools of yourselves by the way you have reacted to each other on a post ... it's easy enough to ignore a post, poster, user or forum .. WE don’t NEED to understand this tittle tattle at all It's Not important who is wrong / right / but the debate/squabble your having isn't related. Maybe I’m blind but you both seem ok but you have lost it re the original argument & here isn’t the place anyway? Back to Strachen ... I liked him as boss but I do wonder if he left knowing he couldn't take us any further forward on the budget we had... maybe I am wrong but will be interesting to see if he takes boro & gets them up into top half of Prem & to Wembley Lets hope we play out our skins today & get a win but I think will be very very hard game & we might get hurt... then more negativity lol Good day all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 well, lets see WGS in action BBC1 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 before Home won 3, drawn 1, lost 3 Away won 4, drawn 2, lost 1 since Home won 0, drawn 1, lost 3 away won 1, drawn 1, lost 1 Wish him luck, but also feel for his predecessor who was sacked over the home form and another defeat. Not good start at all. See him as bit of impact manager rather than slow builder so a bit worrying. Now before; won 7, drawn 3, lost 4 after; won 1, drawn 2, lost 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 December, 2009 Share Posted 20 December, 2009 Weren't Boro 4th when they sacked Southgate? So much for Gibson being "the best chairman in the country" as the MOTD pundits liked to say - as if they really knew anything about it. Nothing against Strachan obviously, but I want them to fail just because of the way they treated Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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