Le Tiss offers his services to England

[Nineteen Canteen]

Darren has already shot that last paragraph down in flames. And I disagree that it was offered as a PR stunt. I have no evidence either way, but then again, neither do you.

 

Wes, out with the red ink I see and dissecting every word, every letter beyond the point of banality.

 

I am not interested in playing your games and will read posts and comment accordingly and why can't you do the same.

 

I do think your point about Usain Bolt though does go to show how far you are prepared to argue a valid point with an analogy so ridiculous it couldn't go uncommented on. The less pressure a player is under the easier the task and had MLT played at a higher level the games would have become at times more meaningful and more pressured and his number of misses would have probbaly increased. Kicking the ball in the net from the penalty spot under less pressurised circumstances does not mean that Usain Bolt could in the same circumstances run the 100m in under 8secs.

 

Analogies like that insult me Wes but more importantly insult your own arguments and that is why I stopped reading beyond that rolly eyed thing. I enjoy debating with you and you make good points but the school teacher act is bad enough but analogies that pathetic destroy your credibility with me I am afraid.

 

Finally, if we all had the evidence Wes none of us would need to post and it is purely my opinion that this was a PR stunt as equally as it is yours that it was not. There is the debate but to rubbish it by saying i have no evidence well it works both ways doesn't it?

[Nineteen Canteen]

so, you are only interested in what happens on the pitch...oh

 

Post playing days and as an a prospective employee the the FA in this instant it is relevant. Also 'life' was a generalisation and read his book to get a pcture about his attitude to coaching.

 

Delldays you're in the services Aren't you? If so tell us the code you have with your unit , regiment or whatever you call it in your line of work and what would happen if one of yours stepped out of line just once for their own cause? No doubt a few of your colleagues have had a few Gerrard or Terry like misdemeanours or backgrounds but it's what counts in your 'unit' that counts, isn't it?

[Thedelldays]

Post playing days and as an a prospective employee the the FA in this instant it is relevant. Also 'life' was a generalisation and read his book to get a pcture about his attitude to coaching.

 

Delldays you're in the services Aren't you? If so tell us the code you have with your unit , regiment or whatever you call it in your line of work and what would happen if one of yours stepped out of line just once for their own cause? No doubt a few of your colleagues have had a few Gerrard or Terry like misdemeanours or backgrounds but it's what counts in your 'unit' that counts, isn't it?

 

 

fair points

[Daren W]

None of them Daren let down their team or their supporters on the pitch and I suspect would rather die for their cause than try to alter the course of a game for their own profit regardless how brief. I'm not defending their off field antics as I am not defending MLT's but there is a very big difference in on the field shenanigans than off IMO. John Terry's background and off the field behaviour does not affect his never say die attitude on the pitch and you get a sense if a fellow player in his team was caught in some silly betting scam his view would not be somewhat less than accommodating IMO.

 

I cherry pick my points Daren and you continue to miss them completely but hope you enjoyed your research it proves nothing about a one for all and all for one spirit in the team, MLT broke that code. Your Wayne Rooney example is very amusing its as though every well paid footballer is not followed around by a group of shallow wannabe's willing to prostitute themselvess for a taste of the high life so Rooney wasn't interested in any of that and just saved himself time and effort. I am not condoning it but nether is it called the world's oldest profession for nothing but how old was Rooney at the time 16 , 17? How curious were you at that age? Perhaps had he been a Saints player at the time you might have followed in his footsteps seeing as you defend everything red and white no matter how odious, when at times you are simply wrong.

 

Oh dear... took you long enough to reply, anyone would think you were struggling... In fact most people think you're struggling after a p1ss poor reply like this. You really aren't that intelligent are you? You may be long winded but strip away the puff and padding and you have nothing to say, well nothing of any importance anyway.

 

You have the absolute gall to say I'm repetitive but if I am am it's because I am replying to you and you are the most repetitive poster on this messageboard, constantly droning on and on about a genuine Saints legend who made one small mistake and has you forever on his back...

 

The surest sign of how unintelligent you are comes from the above post as you desperately try to defend loutish behaviour, prostitution drug dealing and violence as somehow more preferable than a one off failed gambling "scam" as it's "Off the pitch." It's laughable.

 

And now there's some mythical code that LeTissier's broken. Obviously cheating's not privy to this mythical code, dirty play or crippling, career ending fouls, just LeTissiers betting scam apparently, according your "rule book."

 

For the record I don't criticise anyone of those players for their behaviour, I'm just comparing behaviours and you're obviously not smart enough to see that. I don't blame Rooney for sleeping with a slapper, I don't blame Terry for drunken escapades or his dad's behaviour or Gerrard scrapping when out and out.... But then neither am I judge, jury and executioner on LeTissier's one sorry excuse for a transgretion. I'm not that unpleasant as to drone on and on and on about it at every single opportunity.

 

Look at yourself, take a long hard look at yourself and your replies and see just how just boring, petty, tedious, but above all, unintelligent you are. Your defence for Rooney, Terry and Gerrard is almost juvenile, praising Rooney for cheating on his girlfriend with hookers, risking her sexual health as he ****s around with a prostitute as it "just saved himself time and effort." It's not his fault, it's the hangers on.... Oh riiiighht, how utterly pitiful...

 

I haven't missed your points, again, you're just not smart enough to recognise that fact. I have been critical of Matt's one mistake but as that was just one mistake in a distinguished career I have looked at it, analysed it and moved on from it. You however remain like the literal pig in sh1t, wallowing in a cess pit of supposed criminal behaviour. You appear to almost be enjoying it but as a troll/skate I'd fully expect you to...

 

You then, amusingly enough, accuse me of repetition with absolutely no self recognition whatsoever. I defend LeTissier, I'm repetitive. You constantly jump on any LeTissier thread with your tired old argument, not repetitious. You're either retarded or stupid. Judging by this reply, I'm say the latter...

 

You're tying yourself in knots; if you don't have the intellect to debate like an adult then please don't bother...

[beatlesaint]

Didnt make it to St Marys today then 19C.......or were you typing your typical half arsed wordy responses on your laptop in the concourse before kick off ?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Didnt make it to St Marys today then 19C.......or were you typing your typical half arsed wordy responses on your laptop in the concourse before kick off ?

 

No, I didnt unfortunately, had to attend a Christmas function in London and not long back. Sorry, I didn't let you know beforehand. Still one of my mates and his son made good use of my tickets. Are you interested in a freebie the next time I can't make it?

Edited 13 December, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen

[Nineteen Canteen]

Oh dear... took you long enough to reply, anyone would think you were struggling... In fact most people think you're struggling after a p1ss poor reply like this. You really aren't that intelligent are you? You may be long winded but strip away the puff and padding and you have nothing to say, well nothing of any importance anyway.

 

You have the absolute gall to say I'm repetitive but if I am am it's because I am replying to you and you are the most repetitive poster on this messageboard, constantly droning on and on about a genuine Saints legend who made one small mistake and has you forever on his back...

 

The surest sign of how unintelligent you are comes from the above post as you desperately try to defend loutish behaviour, prostitution drug dealing and violence as somehow more preferable than a one off failed gambling "scam" as it's "Off the pitch." It's laughable.

 

And now there's some mythical code that LeTissier's broken. Obviously cheating's not privy to this mythical code, dirty play or crippling, career ending fouls, just LeTissiers betting scam apparently, according your "rule book."

 

For the record I don't criticise anyone of those players for their behaviour, I'm just comparing behaviours and you're obviously not smart enough to see that. I don't blame Rooney for sleeping with a slapper, I don't blame Terry for drunken escapades or his dad's behaviour or Gerrard scrapping when out and out.... But then neither am I judge, jury and executioner on LeTissier's one sorry excuse for a transgretion. I'm not that unpleasant as to drone on and on and on about it at every single opportunity.

 

Look at yourself, take a long hard look at yourself and your replies and see just how just boring, petty, tedious, but above all, unintelligent you are. Your defence for Rooney, Terry and Gerrard is almost juvenile, praising Rooney for cheating on his girlfriend with hookers, risking her sexual health as he ****s around with a prostitute as it "just saved himself time and effort." It's not his fault, it's the hangers on.... Oh riiiighht, how utterly pitiful...

 

I haven't missed your points, again, you're just not smart enough to recognise that fact. I have been critical of Matt's one mistake but as that was just one mistake in a distinguished career I have looked at it, analysed it and moved on from it. You however remain like the literal pig in sh1t, wallowing in a cess pit of supposed criminal behaviour. You appear to almost be enjoying it but as a troll/skate I'd fully expect you to...

 

You then, amusingly enough, accuse me of repetition with absolutely no self recognition whatsoever. I defend LeTissier, I'm repetitive. You constantly jump on any LeTissier thread with your tired old argument, not repetitious. You're either retarded or stupid. Judging by this reply, I'm say the latter...

 

You're tying yourself in knots; if you don't have the intellect to debate like an adult then please don't bother...[/QUOTE]

 

Daren please listen to yourself, the sheer level of bile in your responses to any of my posts suggests to me that you have lost any grounds for argument and people I suspect like me are switching off to your tiresome tirades.

 

Even Delldays has the magnanimity to occassionally acknowledge I may have a reasonable point as I in turn do with others and often my biggest detractors. Unfortunately Daren you always believe you are right and therein lies your problem not mine. Suggest you tone it down a touch as you are conceding an awful lot of moral ground and therefore hardly adding credibilty to your venomous cause.

[Tamesaint]

No, I didnt unfortunately, had to attend a Christmas function in London and not long back. Sorry, I didn't let you know beforehand. Still one of my mates and his son made good use of my tickets. Are you interested in a freebie the next time I can't make it?

 

 

By doing this, you do realise that you have breached the terms of your season ticket. Season tickets are non transferable. It is part of the terms and conditions of buying one.

 

We know that you have a high moral code ... after all you have banged on and on and on about MLT 's supposed misdeameanour, bringing it up again and again and again. How can you live with yourself? You have denied your club of much needed revenue. I am sure that you are totally ashamed. Please turn yourself in and confess to the ticket office.

 

Personally I don't believe you. I reckon you were at home watching the Pompey score come through on Ceefax. Who on earth would invite you to a Christmas function??? How on earth could you have given your tickets to "one of my mates" (note the plural) because there is no way that you have any!!

[beatlesaint]

No, I didnt unfortunately, had to attend a Christmas function in London and not long back. Sorry, I didn't let you know beforehand. Still one of my mates and his son made good use of my tickets. Are you interested in a freebie the next time I can't make it?

 

Umm....as tamesaint has pointed out season tickets are NOT transferable and you have indeed broken the law. Is this not worse than MLT's crime which you insist on mentioning as often as you can ? MLT failed to see the crime through to its conclusion, you have blatantly broken the rules which bind you when purchasing a season ticket and prevented SFC gaining added revenue which would have come from your mate and his son buying tickets !

 

Should we inform Mr Cortese of this total dis-regard for club rules or perhaps we could elevate the matter and let the Police or Crown Prosecution Service know.

 

Thankyou for your kind offer but I do not want anything from you, least of all to be party to your rule breaking practices. I pay my way where Southampton Football Club is concerned thankyou very much.

 

I assume now everytime you dig up your little Le Tiss rants you have no objection if people chose to dig up your "error of judgement" as well then ?

 

How can we be sure that your actions have not influeneced the outcome of yesterdays game ? Your mate may have shouted out a comment that was heard by a player and that distracted him or made him change his mind by selecting a different pass or giving the ball away....and as soon as that happened the whole thing snowballs and changes the game. You could find Tranmere Rovers FC taking legal action against you and your mate, all because you broke a rule, in the same way as Wimbledon (or MK Dons as they now are) have done because MLT changed the course of that game back in 1995....oh wait, they haven't have they....blast !

 

With the high moral code and holier than holy attitude and outlook which you insist on ramming down our throats at every MLT/McMenemy/Crouch/Strachan etc criticism you post I am deeply shocked and saddened to find that you are not as perfect as the picture you love to paint.

Edited 13 December, 2009 by beatlesaint

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't think Le Tissier could offer advice on penalty taking to any International because the reasons they miss are because of the tiredness factor of maybe having played 120 mins and the sheer pressure of the situation. I don't think the likes of messrs Rooney, Lampard and Gerrad need technical advice from Le Tissier but maybe he should go to Forest and give McGoldrick some advice as at club level he may have something to offer.

 

What a totally incomprehensible argument.

 

Technique is technique whether you are playing Acrrington or Argentina.

 

And I'd wager if you asked messrs Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard they would happily take advice from Le Tiss - whom they (unlike you) might recognise as having something constructive to offer in advice about placement, power and precision.

 

How, tell, do you think Tiger's coach was able to replicate the 18th Hole at Augusta??

 

So did his coach throw up his arms and say, sorry Tiger - you are now beyong coaching...

[Daren W]

Daren please listen to yourself, the sheer level of bile in your responses to any of my posts suggests to me that you have lost any grounds for argument and people I suspect like me are switching off to your tiresome tirades.

 

Even Delldays has the magnanimity to occassionally acknowledge I may have a reasonable point as I in turn do with others and often my biggest detractors. Unfortunately Daren you always believe you are right and therein lies your problem not mine. Suggest you tone it down a touch as you are conceding an awful lot of moral ground and therefore hardly adding credibilty to your venomous cause.

 

I take it there are no mirrors in your house then? lol

 

Unfortunately for you I am right, your obsession with LeTissier and your continually shifting criteria for criminality is almost comical. It's behaviour on the pitch then it's behaviour off the pitch, it's no wonder people are questioning your intelligence and let's be honest, it's that that really stings doesn't it? It's not the perceived bile or rants, it's the fact I called you stupid that really annoys you...

 

Delldays was referring to your comment on the armed services, I would think like most of us, he's thoroughly sick and tired of you continually banging your LeTissier drum. And bravo for showing a quite stunning lack of self awareness. I don't doubt people think I'm a pillock but I'll also wager that they all think your sad obsession with putting LeTissier down is verging on a mental illness.

 

In the meantime thank you so much for proving my point and not answering a single point. You're not unintelligent at all, are you? lol

[Nineteen Canteen]

By doing this, you do realise that you have breached the terms of your season ticket. Season tickets are non transferable. It is part of the terms and conditions of buying one.

 

We know that you have a high moral code ... after all you have banged on and on and on about MLT 's supposed misdeameanour, bringing it up again and again and again. How can you live with yourself? You have denied your club of much needed revenue. I am sure that you are totally ashamed. Please turn yourself in and confess to the ticket office.

 

Personally I don't believe you. I reckon you were at home watching the Pompey score come through on Ceefax. Who on earth would invite you to a Christmas function??? How on earth could you have given your tickets to "one of my mates" (note the plural) because there is no way that you have any!!

 

Tame, I am inundated with offers for a 'Christmas pint' from people I have never met let alone mates.

 

I will be turning myself in first thing Monday morning joining the rest of the moral crusaders snaking round the stadium. Time for biometrics is it than the current pathetic system of ticketing? :)No doubt that's another story and one I am sure David Lukert will be addressing in the long term.

 

I don't lie Tame what purpose would that serve? It was my wife's firm's annual bash and I dread them (function over firm) tbh but duty called and all that good stuff. Family before football. The greatest result of the day was me squeezing myself into the tux for another year.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Umm....as tamesaint has pointed out season tickets are NOT transferable and you have indeed broken the law. Is this not worse than MLT's crime which you insist on mentioning as often as you can ? MLT failed to see the crime through to its conclusion, you have blatantly broken the rules which bind you when purchasing a season ticket and prevented SFC gaining added revenue which would have come from your mate and his son buying tickets !

 

Should we inform Mr Cortese of this total dis-regard for club rules or perhaps we could elevate the matter and let the Police or Crown Prosecution Service know.

 

Thankyou for your kind offer but I do not want anything from you, least of all to be party to your rule breaking practices. I pay my way where Southampton Football Club is concerned thankyou very much.

 

I assume now everytime you dig up your little Le Tiss rants you have no objection if people chose to dig up your "error of judgement" as well then ?

 

How can we be sure that your actions have not influeneced the outcome of yesterdays game ? Your mate may have shouted out a comment that was heard by a player and that distracted him or made him change his mind by selecting a different pass or giving the ball away....and as soon as that happened the whole thing snowballs and changes the game. You could find Tranmere Rovers FC taking legal action against you and your mate, all because you broke a rule, in the same way as Wimbledon (or MK Dons as they now are) have done because MLT changed the course of that game back in 1995....oh wait, they haven't have they....blast !

 

With the high moral code and holier than holy attitude and outlook which you insist on ramming down our throats at every MLT/McMenemy/Crouch/Strachan etc criticism you post I am deeply shocked and saddened to find that you are not as perfect as the picture you love to paint.

 

AS Tamesaint pointed out with originality and satirical wit you choose to take his idea and wring it dry to the point that you prove to us all original thinking is a weak point for you. At times the humour is better without a detailed explanation and is in what is left unsaid for those able to paint our own pictures.

[Nineteen Canteen]

What a totally incomprehensible argument.

 

Technique is technique whether you are playing Acrrington or Argentina.

 

And I'd wager if you asked messrs Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard they would happily take advice from Le Tiss - whom they (unlike you) might recognise as having something constructive to offer in advice about placement, power and precision.

 

How, tell, do you think Tiger's coach was able to replicate the 18th Hole at Augusta??

 

So did his coach throw up his arms and say, sorry Tiger - you are now beyong coaching...

 

Your point on technique is correct but once you start stress testing it then the techniqiue starts to wobble. It's naive to suggest otherwise and how you replicate those stress conditions is difficult and much of it comes from experience and a strong mental attitude.

 

Some of the greatest technically gifted and even stong minded sportsman have cracked under pressure and MLT coaching an international is not going to help them one bit but at Accrington I would agree he has much to offer.

 

If it was just about technique weaker teams would never beat stronger teams in matches let alone penalty shoot outs. It's just unlike most sportsman MLT chose to hold himself back and therefore never fully exposed the chinks in his armour other that the general fitness issue that dogged his career.

 

I am sorry my point is incomprehensible perhaps you should buy a book written by a expert and judge for yourself.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I take it there are no mirrors in your house then? lol

 

Unfortunately for you I am right, your obsession with LeTissier and your continually shifting criteria for criminality is almost comical. It's behaviour on the pitch then it's behaviour off the pitch, it's no wonder people are questioning your intelligence and let's be honest, it's that that really stings doesn't it? It's not the perceived bile or rants, it's the fact I called you stupid that really annoys you...

 

Delldays was referring to your comment on the armed services, I would think like most of us, he's thoroughly sick and tired of you continually banging your LeTissier drum. And bravo for showing a quite stunning lack of self awareness. I don't doubt people think I'm a pillock but I'll also wager that they all think your sad obsession with putting LeTissier down is verging on a mental illness.

 

In the meantime thank you so much for proving my point and not answering a single point. You're not unintelligent at all, are you? lol

 

Daren 'I am right, on a completely subjective issue' Wheeler. Blimey, if you concede any more moral ground you'll be standing atop the Needles. Keep it up.

[JustMike]

Your point on technique is correct but once you start stress testing it then the techniqiue starts to wobble. It's naive to suggest otherwise and how you replicate those stress conditions is difficult and much of it comes from experience and a strong mental attitude.

 

Some of the greatest technically gifted and even stong minded sportsman have cracked under pressure and MLT coaching an international is not going to help them one bit but at Accrington I would agree he has much to offer.

 

If it was just about technique weaker teams would never beat stronger teams in matches let alone penalty shoot outs. It's just unlike most sportsman MLT chose to hold himself back and therefore never fully exposed the chinks in his armour other that the general fitness issue that dogged his career.

 

I am sorry my point is incomprehensible perhaps you should buy a book written by a expert and judge for yourself.

 

im sorry but you are a complete tit. Chinks in letissiers armour?? Yeah right. Whats up did he have bad words to say about Mr Lowe, oh diddums.

 

Call yourself a saint fan? mmm this is where the real issue is. Who's next on your list of people to slag off, Ted Bates?

 

Your point is incomprehensible because it holds no weight. Letiss was wanted by "bigger" clubs but chose to be loyal, something in which you could learn from. How is your chum Lowe btw?

[Daren W]

Daren 'I am right, on a completely subjective issue' Wheeler. Blimey, if you concede any more moral ground you'll be standing atop the Needles. Keep it up.

 

Better still, so now you're conceding the issue is subjective eh? No definite line between right and wrong? So all of this is down to your view of what is right and what is wrong eh? Your own words not mine...

 

Little tip here, if you take umbrage at someone questioning your intelligence it would help if you didn't post something rather brainless in your defence.

 

It may have slipped your mind that you've been supporting footballers who have indulged in violence, prostitution and drug dealing and you think I'm ceding the moral high ground? How stupid are you? Answer... very.

 

Please, keep on posting. The more you post the dumber you look...

[miserableoldgit]

Oh dear... took you long enough to reply, anyone would think you were struggling... In fact most people think you're struggling after a p1ss poor reply like this. You really aren't that intelligent are you? You may be long winded but strip away the puff and padding and you have nothing to say, well nothing of any importance anyway.

 

You have the absolute gall to say I'm repetitive but if I am am it's because I am replying to you and you are the most repetitive poster on this messageboard, constantly droning on and on about a genuine Saints legend who made one small mistake and has you forever on his back...

 

The surest sign of how unintelligent you are comes from the above post as you desperately try to defend loutish behaviour, prostitution drug dealing and violence as somehow more preferable than a one off failed gambling "scam" as it's "Off the pitch." It's laughable.

 

And now there's some mythical code that LeTissier's broken. Obviously cheating's not privy to this mythical code, dirty play or crippling, career ending fouls, just LeTissiers betting scam apparently, according your "rule book."

 

For the record I don't criticise anyone of those players for their behaviour, I'm just comparing behaviours and you're obviously not smart enough to see that. I don't blame Rooney for sleeping with a slapper, I don't blame Terry for drunken escapades or his dad's behaviour or Gerrard scrapping when out and out.... But then neither am I judge, jury and executioner on LeTissier's one sorry excuse for a transgretion. I'm not that unpleasant as to drone on and on and on about it at every single opportunity.

 

Look at yourself, take a long hard look at yourself and your replies and see just how just boring, petty, tedious, but above all, unintelligent you are. Your defence for Rooney, Terry and Gerrard is almost juvenile, praising Rooney for cheating on his girlfriend with hookers, risking her sexual health as he ****s around with a prostitute as it "just saved himself time and effort." It's not his fault, it's the hangers on.... Oh riiiighht, how utterly pitiful...

 

I haven't missed your points, again, you're just not smart enough to recognise that fact. I have been critical of Matt's one mistake but as that was just one mistake in a distinguished career I have looked at it, analysed it and moved on from it. You however remain like the literal pig in sh1t, wallowing in a cess pit of supposed criminal behaviour. You appear to almost be enjoying it but as a troll/skate I'd fully expect you to...

 

You then, amusingly enough, accuse me of repetition with absolutely no self recognition whatsoever. I defend LeTissier, I'm repetitive. You constantly jump on any LeTissier thread with your tired old argument, not repetitious. You're either retarded or stupid. Judging by this reply, I'm say the latter...

 

You're tying yourself in knots; if you don't have the intellect to debate like an adult then please don't bother...[/QUOTE]

 

Daren please listen to yourself, the sheer level of bile in your responses to any of my posts suggests to me that you have lost any grounds for argument and people I suspect like me are switching off to your tiresome tirades.

 

Even Delldays has the magnanimity to occassionally acknowledge I may have a reasonable point as I in turn do with others and often my biggest detractors. Unfortunately Daren you always believe you are right and therein lies your problem not mine. Suggest you tone it down a touch as you are conceding an awful lot of moral ground and therefore hardly adding credibilty to your venomous cause.

Irony alert!!!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Better still, so now you're conceding the issue is subjective eh? No definite line between right and wrong? So all of this is down to your view of what is right and what is wrong eh? Your own words not mine...

 

Little tip here, if you take umbrage at someone questioning your intelligence it would help if you didn't post something rather brainless in your defence.

 

It may have slipped your mind that you've been supporting footballers who have indulged in violence, prostitution and drug dealing and you think I'm ceding the moral high ground? How stupid are you? Answer... very.

 

Please, keep on posting. The more you post the dumber you look...

 

And into the Solent you fall Daren. A subjective matter ( which I have never disputed) and you claim to be right, or right about me being wrong and my general stupidity and my position as being brainless. I guess this would predispose me of having less than low intelligence as you boldly seem to believe you are always right. You must live a life under a little misapprehension, a bit like a neutered dog, unaware why you lack penetrating thoughts.

 

I'm not going to stop posting as I enjoy sitting on top of the cliffs of the moral high ground watching you drift further into the channel of bile and detritus caused by the erosion of your arguments through personal insults initated as always by yourself.

 

I am of low intelligence? Compared to many you are absolutely right but not as low as the plankton drifting in the channel that I am currently watching. I can't even accuse you Daren of being a single cell amoeba as they even have the ability to change shape.

[beatlesaint]

AS Tamesaint pointed out with originality and satirical wit you choose to take his idea and wring it dry to the point that you prove to us all original thinking is a weak point for you. At times the humour is better without a detailed explanation and is in what is left unsaid for those able to paint our own pictures.

 

Awwwww, you are a lovely man

 

For a law breaker.

[Legod Third Coming]

Your point on technique is correct but once you start stress testing it then the techniqiue starts to wobble. It's naive to suggest otherwise and how you replicate those stress conditions is difficult and much of it comes from experience and a strong mental attitude.

 

Some of the greatest technically gifted and even stong minded sportsman have cracked under pressure and MLT coaching an international is not going to help them one bit but at Accrington I would agree he has much to offer.

 

If it was just about technique weaker teams would never beat stronger teams in matches let alone penalty shoot outs. It's just unlike most sportsman MLT chose to hold himself back and therefore never fully exposed the chinks in his armour other that the general fitness issue that dogged his career.

 

I am sorry my point is incomprehensible perhaps you should buy a book written by a expert and judge for yourself.

 

Give up now.

 

Matthew Le Tissier never held himself back.

 

He was asked by the then England Manager to play for his place at the World Cup against Russia B.

 

He scored a hatrick.

 

And was then not selected.

 

The man selected in his place was asked to take the final penalty against Argentina and missed.

 

I wonder how Matthew Le Tissier might have taken that penalty...

 

As one of the world's master technicians he has something to offer any player. Technical coaches do not train mental strength. I doubt anyone can.

 

But only through technical excellence and practice can one hope to stand on the largest stage and then have the mental fortitude to succeed.

 

I notice that Manchester United always fail on the big stage because their manager was a journeymen player...

 

Please, if you want to lecture your trolling hords please do, I thought we might indulge in a grown up debate.

[Wes Tender]

Wes, out with the red ink I see and dissecting every word, every letter beyond the point of banality.

 

Well, I used the red ink because you so detested the blue. Are you now saynig that you don't like the red either?

 

I am not interested in playing your games and will read posts and comment accordingly and why can't you do the same.

 

Rather a contradiction, n'est ce pas? How could I possibly dissect every word, every letter and yet be accused of not reading and commenting on it?

 

I do think your point about Usain Bolt though does go to show how far you are prepared to argue a valid point with an analogy so ridiculous it couldn't go uncommented on. The less pressure a player is under the easier the task and had MLT played at a higher level the games would have become at times more meaningful and more pressured and his number of misses would have probbaly increased. Kicking the ball in the net from the penalty spot under less pressurised circumstances does not mean that Usain Bolt could in the same circumstances run the 100m in under 8secs.

 

OK. So let's look at this from another angle, then. You talk about the pressure the penalty taker is under and that the more important the game is, the more pressure there is on the penalty taker. So the same thing must also by extension be affecting the goallie, the two things cancelling themselves out. Anyway, your point is absurd, as MLT's penalties were mostly taken in the World's top footballing division, so your attempt to portray it as not being at a higher level is disingenuous

 

Analogies like that insult me Wes but more importantly insult your own arguments and that is why I stopped reading beyond that rolly eyed thing. I enjoy debating with you and you make good points but the school teacher act is bad enough but analogies that pathetic destroy your credibility with me I am afraid.

 

I'm deeply uset and will find it difficult to sleep tonight.

 

Finally, if we all had the evidence Wes none of us would need to post and it is purely my opinion that this was a PR stunt as equally as it is yours that it was not. There is the debate but to rubbish it by saying i have no evidence well it works both ways doesn't it?

 

Read my post again that you highlighted. That's exactly what I said. You thought it was a publicity stunt, I thought not. As neither of us have any evidence either way, it is merely a difference of opinion between us. We finally agree on something. If you tire of the debate, stop this petty vendetta you have with MLT. He is a hero to most Saints fans, so you're p*ssing in the wind trying to tarnish his reputation.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Give up now.

 

Matthew Le Tissier never held himself back.

 

He was asked by the then England Manager to play for his place at the World Cup against Russia B.

 

He scored a hatrick.

 

And was then not selected.

 

The man selected in his place was asked to take the final penalty against Argentina and missed.

 

I wonder how Matthew Le Tissier might have taken that penalty...

 

As one of the world's master technicians he has something to offer any player. Technical coaches do not train mental strength. I doubt anyone can.

 

But only through technical excellence and practice can one hope to stand on the largest stage and then have the mental fortitude to succeed.

 

I notice that Manchester United always fail on the big stage because their manager was a journeymen player...

 

Please, if you want to lecture your trolling hords please do, I thought we might indulge in a grown up debate.

 

Oh dear, did you not just ask another poster to debate like an adult? Stop being so pompous my opinion may not be given with such a superior air as you or as eloquent but nonetheless the points are clearly made and IMO reasonable and very few people have so far convinced me I am wrong on all my points. You in paticular have entrenched my views as someone who doesn't believe sports pschology has an important role to play in sport in helping competitors to cope with pressure and increase their mental strength as well as training develops their physical abilities. At international level MLT can do neither IMO but will concede HCDAJFU at club level.

 

May I suggest the following book from The FA learning Official Guides series.

 

Psychology for Football

 

Page 129 talks in detail about the importance of Imagery Training and the ability to image a positive outcome is a crucial principle. Players who visualise missing the target maybe because of their last miss or a previous team mates are more likely to make a mistake in their own execution.

 

Imagery training gets players to focus on their last performance / successful outcome and to shut out other negative images, etc

 

MLT cannot teach the likes of Lampard, Rooney or Gerrard any new physical skills but I'm sure they could learn from the psychology of sport. Although, not perhaps in Rooney's case, he may need someone from the Durrell foundation.

[Legod Third Coming]

Nineteen your argument is a nonsense. The idea that current internationals cannot improve their techinque us flawed. It suggests they no longer need to practice and have no opportunity to improve their skills. I would dispute this and I'm pretty sure they would too. Therefore there is every chance they would be willing to listen and learn from one if the world's foremost penalty takers isn't there?

 

As to their mental coaching then I concur MLT might have less to offer but how do you know the secret if his success was nit a unique visualisation technique?

 

You don't but your bizarre hatred of a man who saved the club's Premiership status prevents you from accepting he may have any value to senior professionals whose records are far inferior to his.

 

And where have I ever questioned the validity of sports pyschology?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Give up now.

 

Matthew Le Tissier never held himself back.

 

He was asked by the then England Manager to play for his place at the World Cup against Russia B.

 

He scored a hatrick.

 

And was then not selected.

 

The man selected in his place was asked to take the final penalty against Argentina and missed.

 

I wonder how Matthew Le Tissier might have taken that penalty...

 

As one of the world's master technicians he has something to offer any player. Technical coaches do not train mental strength. I doubt anyone can.

 

But only through technical excellence and practice can one hope to stand on the largest stage and then have the mental fortitude to succeed.

 

I notice that Manchester United always fail on the big stage because their manager was a journeymen player...

 

Please, if you want to lecture your trolling hords please do, I thought we might indulge in a grown up debate.

 

One in the eye for Sports Psychology doubting anyone can train mental strength.

 

Internationals can train amd improve their technical ability but I genuinely believe they can all score a penalty with the regularity of MLT but it is the intangibles that make the difference not the technique at this level. I would venture its a nonsense that our alloted penalty takers at international level are flawed technically in taking a penalty but i wouldn't be quiet as pompous in my assertions over a reasoned argument of another poster.

[Daren W]

And into the Solent you fall Daren. A subjective matter ( which I have never disputed) and you claim to be right, or right about me being wrong and my general stupidity and my position as being brainless. I guess this would predispose me of having less than low intelligence as you boldly seem to believe you are always right. You must live a life under a little misapprehension, a bit like a neutered dog, unaware why you lack penetrating thoughts.

 

I'm not going to stop posting as I enjoy sitting on top of the cliffs of the moral high ground watching you drift further into the channel of bile and detritus caused by the erosion of your arguments through personal insults initated as always by yourself.

 

I am of low intelligence? Compared to many you are absolutely right but not as low as the plankton drifting in the channel that I am currently watching. I can't even accuse you Daren of being a single cell amoeba as they even have the ability to change shape.

 

I'll explain this for you as slowly as I can as you obvious have a problem understanding it. Basic knowledge of the English language is tough..

 

You're forever harping on about Le Tissier's criminal activities, this terrible betting scam, the scandal that apparently has made LeTissier lose the respect of the fans and his peers...

 

But you have now admitted to us all this "crime" is subjective....

 

Dictionary definition of subjective:

sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)

adj.

1.

a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.

b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.

2. Moodily introspective.

3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.

4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind.

5. Medicine Of, relating to, or designating a symptom or condition perceived by the patient and not by the examiner.

 

Perhaps, oh intelligent one, you can explain to us how this crime of the century can be subjective? He's either guilty or he's not. Can you get your head around that? Or are you so entrenched in your bitter, bile infected agenda that you can't see you're wrong? You say the "crime" is subjective so it's not black and white. Fact....

 

The problem you seem to have is that you've completely and utterly missed the fact that pretty much to a man, most saints fans think Matt was a fool to contemplate the betting scam and an even bigger fool for putting it in his book. The problem for you is that we forgave him for it. We weighed a career of utmost distinction and loyalty against ONE BOTCHED SCAM and forgave him for it. You ought try that, show a bit of humanity rather being a sad, obsessed, bitter, lonely "man."

 

In the meantime thank you so much for the long winded, overly verbose reply. It just adds credance to my theory that once you get past the puff and padding you say nothing. Getting past the obvious insults you've said nothing in the quote above... not a thing...

 

Watching you post these days is rather like the written version of car crash tv. You just get more and more embarrassing. You appear to be the messageboard version of Richard Briars' character in Ever Decreasing Circles, you're the Norris Cole of the Saints Web, desperately looking to moan and whinge when all about you are having fun and generally enjoying life. The only problem is that you lack any of the endearing elements of the two and just ooze poison and bile.

 

Christmas as chez 19c/SundanceBeast/Flashman must be a riot....

 

Try to answer the point, avoid the puff and padding, and at least try to engage your brain for once... lol

[Legod Third Coming]

One in the eye for Sports Psychology doubting anyone can train mental strength.

 

Internationals can train amd improve their technical ability but I genuinely believe they can all score a penalty with the regularity of MLT but it is the intangibles that make the difference not the technique at this level. I would venture its a nonsense that our alloted penalty takers at international level are flawed technically in taking a penalty but i wouldn't be quiet as pompous in my assertions over a reasoned argument of another poster.

 

My bad, I don't dispute sports pyschologists have a vital role to play in coaching pressure management through visualisation techniques, etc.

 

If you believe that it is the intangibles that make a difference, how do you think MLT coped with those intangibles??

 

Wouldn't that be reason enough for him to be involved?

 

I simply cannot conceive why you think MLT has nothing to offer to penalty takers at any level given his consistency?

 

You haven't answered the argument about the vast majority of coaches not having performed at the highest level?

 

What you have done is engaged in a diatribe about MLT and his relative failings.

 

So why could Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard learn nothing from a professional with a 99% record - whether MLT or any other for that matter?

 

I, for one, would be delighted to sit and listen to contemporaries with better records than mine explain the secrets of their success.

[Wes Tender]

Interesting to note that of the three shining examples of players named by Nineteen as probably not being impressed by MLT credentials as a penalty taker and his obscure reasoning that they would not have respect for him because of this questionable betting scam, all three of them are cheats on the pitch. All three have been guilty of simulation, i.e. diving in the penalty box, Rooney as recently as his last match. What are his thoughts on this sort of behaviour? Surely it is totally against the spirit of the game and used to be the preserve of foreign players, particularly those from the Latin countries, who to be fair, still hold the upper hand when it comes to theatricality. But does he not feel that this sort of cheating lays them open to accusations of moral bankruptcy and suggestive that they might therefore be capable by extension of transgressions in other directions in their lives outside of football?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Interesting to note that of the three shining examples of players named by Nineteen as probably not being impressed by MLT credentials as a penalty taker and his obscure reasoning that they would not have respect for him because of this questionable betting scam, all three of them are cheats on the pitch. All three have been guilty of simulation, i.e. diving in the penalty box, Rooney as recently as his last match. What are his thoughts on this sort of behaviour? Surely it is totally against the spirit of the game and used to be the preserve of foreign players, particularly those from the Latin countries, who to be fair, still hold the upper hand when it comes to theatricality. But does he not feel that this sort of cheating lays them open to accusations of moral bankruptcy and suggestive that they might therefore be capable by extension of transgressions in other directions in their lives outside of football?

 

Taking a dive for the team Wes is one thing deliberately trying to alter the start of the game for your own personal gain and those of your fellow collaboraters is another thing entirely and altogether more sinister and under hand. Same applies to Henry or every cynical foul or hand ball that earns a booking it's a all a from of cheating or acting outside the spirit of the rules but all can be punished by the officials on the day.

 

Trying to alter the start of a game for financial game may be as innocent as smoking a bit of weed but whose to say it can't lead to far worse crimes such as Cronje's heroinesque levels of idiocy and in any event it is far worse than any dive simulation, foul or deliberate hand ball as they are there for all to see and punish accordingly. MLT tells us he stopped after this one off but what would have happened if he had made that kick into touch? The worse thing for any gambler IMO is to win your first bet.

 

MLT should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't want a reaction so please stop trying to shoot the messenger or put MLT up on a pedastal he may no longer deserve and I in turn will stop contributing to the debate.

[100%Red&White]

Taking a dive for the team Wes is one thing deliberately trying to alter the start of the game for your own personal gain and those of your fellow collaboraters is another thing entirely and altogether more sinister and under hand. Same applies to Henry or every cynical foul or hand ball that earns a booking it's a all a from of cheating or acting outside the spirit of the rules but all can be punished by the officials on the day.

 

Trying to alter the start of a game for financial game may be as innocent as smoking a bit of weed but whose to say it can't lead to far worse crimes such as Cronje's heroinesque levels of idiocy and in any event it is far worse than any dive simulation, foul or deliberate hand ball as they are there for all to see and punish accordingly. MLT tells us he stopped after this one off but what would have happened if he had made that kick into touch? The worse thing for any gambler IMO is to win your first bet.

 

MLT should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't want a reaction so please stop trying to shoot the messenger or put MLT up on a pedastal he may no longer deserve and I in turn will stop contributing to the debate.

 

Of course, you could just lead by example and "stop contributing"?

[Gemmel]

MLT should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't want a reaction so please stop trying to shoot the messenger or put MLT up on a pedastal he may no longer deserve and I in turn will stop contributing to the debate.

 

 

That's the crux of the whole argument. 99% of Saints fans continue to hold MLT in the highest regard and have him firmly rooted to his pedastal. He did so much for us, that he is rightly afforded legendary status and people can look beyond his indiscretion.

 

For some reason you don't like that and ultimately that is something you will have to live with as it really isn't going to change and Matty will be revered by many for years to come

[Daren W]

Taking a dive for the team Wes is one thing deliberately trying to alter the start of the game for your own personal gain and those of your fellow collaboraters is another thing entirely and altogether more sinister and under hand. Same applies to Henry or every cynical foul or hand ball that earns a booking it's a all a from of cheating or acting outside the spirit of the rules but all can be punished by the officials on the day.

 

Trying to alter the start of a game for financial game may be as innocent as smoking a bit of weed but whose to say it can't lead to far worse crimes such as Cronje's heroinesque levels of idiocy and in any event it is far worse than any dive simulation, foul or deliberate hand ball as they are there for all to see and punish accordingly. MLT tells us he stopped after this one off but what would have happened if he had made that kick into touch? The worse thing for any gambler IMO is to win your first bet.

 

MLT should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't want a reaction so please stop trying to shoot the messenger or put MLT up on a pedastal he may no longer deserve and I in turn will stop contributing to the debate.

 

Oh I seeeeee so it's ok to cheat other teams then, is that what you're saying? Kicking a ball out for a throw in is apparently one step away from Hanse Cronje territory but diving, cheating etc is just fine and dandy? Or does it have to be punished on the same day to qualify for your bizarre rules?

 

You're just making it up as you go along, first of all it was acceptable as long as it was off the pitch, now if you cheat on the pitch it's acceptable as long as you don't get caught within the 90 minutes...

 

Only a complete buffoon would say kicking the ball out for first throw is on a par or worse than the likes of Maradona and Henry or general diving, fouling or cheating... oh.... Now I see why you're posting... lol

[beatlesaint]

Same applies to Henry.

 

You obviously aren't from the Irish Republic then ?

 

FFS shut up NOW......you are twisting and turning your argument so much you are in danger of resembling a cork screw.

 

Yet another topic you have hi-jacked.....you must be so proud.

[Wes Tender]

Taking a dive for the team Wes is one thing deliberately trying to alter the start of the game for your own personal gain and those of your fellow collaboraters is another thing entirely and altogether more sinister and under hand. Same applies to Henry or every cynical foul or hand ball that earns a booking it's a all a from of cheating or acting outside the spirit of the rules but all can be punished by the officials on the day.

 

Trying to alter the start of a game for financial game may be as innocent as smoking a bit of weed but whose to say it can't lead to far worse crimes such as Cronje's heroinesque levels of idiocy and in any event it is far worse than any dive simulation, foul or deliberate hand ball as they are there for all to see and punish accordingly. MLT tells us he stopped after this one off but what would have happened if he had made that kick into touch? The worse thing for any gambler IMO is to win your first bet.

 

MLT should have kept his mouth shut if he didn't want a reaction so please stop trying to shoot the messenger or put MLT up on a pedastal he may no longer deserve and I in turn will stop contributing to the debate.

 

Now, here is where you amaze me. I thought that we had a bit more in common where it involved moral principles, even though we have clashed over other things in the past. I am frankly disappointed that you believe that cheating by a player is ever acceptable, especially when you consider the implications of us being knocked out of the World Cup by Maradonna's hand of God. Had you been Irish, you might still be feeling a bit sore that Henry had cheated to knock them out of the World Cup too.

 

You have not commented on my assertion either, that if somebody is capable of cheating at football, then they are also capable of transgressing in other ways too. Oh well, it's only a game and look at how I've gained my team three points. Oh well, it's only the Insurance company I've cheated by making that claim and they can afford it and anyway, everybody does it, don't they? So where do you personally draw the line, Nineteen?

 

I'm obviously too much the goody goody, as I wouldn't cheat at football, lie about my golf score or anything like that.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Now, here is where you amaze me. I thought that we had a bit more in common where it involved moral principles, even though we have clashed over other things in the past. I am frankly disappointed that you believe that cheating by a player is ever acceptable, especially when you consider the implications of us being knocked out of the World Cup by Maradonna's hand of God. Had you been Irish, you might still be feeling a bit sore that Henry had cheated to knock them out of the World Cup too.

 

You have not commented on my assertion either, that if somebody is capable of cheating at football, then they are also capable of transgressing in other ways too. Oh well, it's only a game and look at how I've gained my team three points. Oh well, it's only the Insurance company I've cheated by making that claim and they can afford it and anyway, everybody does it, don't they? So where do you personally draw the line, Nineteen?

 

I'm obviously too much the goody goody, as I wouldn't cheat at football, lie about my golf score or anything like that.

 

Wes, I don't think I said it was acceptable and also acknowledged it's all forms of cheating but the dive, hand ball etc should all be done in the eyes of the officials and players who attempt these antics can expect to be punished or hope to get away with it. Cheating in the form MLT decided to follow, even as a one off is devious and underhand and if a faked dive is not in the spirit of the game where does deliberately setting out to change the start of a game by deliberately giving away possession for your team and for your own personal gain, register on your scale?

 

I can agree that if someone can cheat in sport then they may have a predilection to cheat again elsewhere. The difference though between the fake dive and deliberate handball the players I suspect rarely cross the line thinking that is what they will do today and in the heat of the moment forget themselves. MLT crossed the white line that day knowing exactly what he was going to do. Perhaps that is the major difference, MLT's action were premeditated whereas Henry's for example were not.

 

Premeditated is perhaps where I draw the line Wes and that is unforgiveable.

[Colinjb]

Mods, had I realised this thread would descend into a 19C ***** fest I would never have started it, Please close it.

[Jimmy_D]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danwalker/2009/12/paying_a_heavy_penalty.html

 

Last few seconds of the video half way down the page ^^

[Nineteen Canteen]

Mods, had I realised this thread would descend into a 19C ***** fest I would never have started it, Please close it.

 

In other words Colin you can't be bothered to debate your point of view against mine or you simply agree I may have a point and don't want to acknowlegde it. So your way of dealing with this is to ask the mods to close it.

 

Now Jimmy D has bumped the thread and the pundits seem to be agreeing that taking penalties in a World Cup Penalty shoot seem to agree with me that it is 'different gravy' to having a great club record. As Dixon said if that was the case take MLT to the World Cup............but that is not the case at all is it as we want a team and coaches employed to a level where the escape hatch of the shoot out is not required.

 

If you don't want your posts/threads challenged from time to time don't post.

[hypochondriac]

In other words Colin you can't be bothered to debate your point of view against mine or you simply agree I may have a point and don't want to acknowlegde it. So your way of dealing with this is to ask the mods to close it.

 

Now Jimmy D has bumped the thread and the pundits seem to be agreeing that taking penalties in a World Cup Penalty shoot seem to agree with me that it is 'different gravy' to having a great club record. As Dixon said if that was the case take MLT to the World Cup............but that is not the case at all is it as we want a team and coaches employed to a level where the escape hatch of the shoot out is not required.

 

If you don't want your posts/threads challenged from time to time don't post.

 

I think his point was that you shouldn't use penalty stats as the sole reason for choosing a striker.

[View From The Top]

Mods, had I realised this thread would descend into a 19C ***** fest I would never have started it, Please close it.

 

That's what happens when you let those with a self confessed mental illness loose on the internet.

 

Eventually his condition will mean that he moves on to another topic but until then, put him on block, it makes the whole TSW experience that much better and causes a wry smile as I know will go on another rant and I'll never have to read it.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I think his point was that you shouldn't use penalty stats as the sole reason for choosing a striker.

 

Ergo a coach

[Joesaint]

MLT could only help, after reading his book I would love to see him help our boys esp the young ones as with a bit of training esp bt MLT there confidence taking them should be sky high.

MLT could only help and when it comes to important matches every little bit helps!

[Joesaint]

PS, I think this thread is pointless because MLT was such a talent and anyone would welcome him for some token training. Simples.

[Nineteen Canteen]

That's what happens when you let those with a self confessed mental illness loose on the internet.

 

Eventually his condition will mean that he moves on to another topic but until then, put him on block, it makes the whole TSW experience that much better and causes a wry smile as I know will go on another rant and I'll never have to read it.

 

Mental Illness, cancer, heart disease, stroke, parkinsons, etc. Where do you draw the line View From The Top' as using a 'self confessed' condition or otherwise as a prejudicial stick to beat others with? I have never confessed publicly to anything specific and mental illness can cover a range of conditions as much as cancer and neither illnesses are funny and in many instances with medical help people can continue to lead a relatively normal as much as the next person, yourself excepted.

 

It's only people like who fuel shame and propaganda about something you have little knowledge to suit your own screwed up life and petty agenda against someone you consider weak or not worthy of your attention. You are clearly one of those types of 'fans' who is happy to use a person's perceived shortcomings without any knowledge to bully and chide and no doubt happy to use racist and homophobic references if you can have a go at people with mental health issue and be absolutely unaware as to what that is.

 

Early onset Alzheimers is a mental heatlh issue if that sort of degenerative disease worthy of a good laugh?

[Redondo Saint]

Mental Illness, cancer, heart disease, stroke, parkinsons, etc. Where do you draw the line View From The Top' as using a 'self confessed' condition or otherwise as a prejudicial stick to beat others with? I have never confessed publicly to anything specific and mental illness can cover a range of conditions as much as cancer and neither illnesses are funny and in many instances with medical help people can continue to lead a relatively normal as much as the next person, yourself excepted.

 

It's only people like who fuel shame and propaganda about something you have little knowledge to suit your own screwed up life and petty agenda against someone you consider weak or not worthy of your attention. You are clearly one of those types of 'fans' who is happy to use a person's perceived shortcomings without any knowledge to bully and chide and no doubt happy to use racist and homophobic references if you can have a go at people with mental health issue and be absolutely unaware as to what that is.

 

Early onset Alzheimers is a mental heatlh issue if that sort of degenerative disease worthy of a good laugh?

 

In fairness I don't think View From The Top is attacking other diseases or afflictions, etc. It's directed only to you.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

19C I do worry about you sometimes...

 

Even those like me who admire MLT for what he did for the club would say that his strengths were skewed on the side of TECHNIQUE over perhaps WORK RATE or even maybe ATTITUDE. Surely this would make him a perfect candidate for a technical coach? Surely you would have MLT's abilities at hand without the complexities associated with MLT the player. Certainly it is a bit mendacious to question his international pedigree when his international career suffered most from the problem of fitting this maverick, individualistic player into a more homogenous team. If football was played like it's US equivalent (with specialized kickers able to come on at vital times) then his undoubted talents would of course have been used more. Who wouldn't put him on the field to take a penalty or free kick for England in his heyday? You can't judge his aptitude for taking penalties based on whether he could be accomodated in a team to play 90 minutes for England. These are very different disciplines.

 

Why would he need to be the sort of person who can run for 90 minutes? How would that help (unless he was offering to run and get the balls back after every effort blasted over the bar)? Why should his temperament have any say in how his training would work out, when surely the onus would be more on those receiving the training? How could match fixing have anything to do with this? He is, after all, not actually taking part in the game itself. You claim that other footballers' crimes and misdemeanours are irrelevant because they did not impact on the game itself. Surely then, as MLT has retired from playing and so is not directly involved in the playing of the game, you would have to regard his misdemeanours as irrelevant to the task at hand too?

 

I think your anti-MLT feelings are clouding your judgement somewhat. You should perhaps take a long look at yourself as your obsessions with certain figures from our past are unwarranted and they aren't doing you any favours.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

If Matt Le Tissier ever experienced the pressure of playing for his national side in front of a massive crowd and huge global TV audience and take part in a penalty shoot out to get his side into the WORLD CUP FINAL then in my very humble opinion there is no greater stage for a top player and none so pressurised.

 

Keeping Saints up as oppose to scoring the goal that would secure a World Cup Final appearance is not really comparable. Lets face it when the pressure was on he failed to kick a ball out of play and he needed to run his hardest to recover from his mistake. Can't cover up for your mistakes in a World Cup penalty shoot out.

 

Am I a complete idiot? Probably because I've opened the door for a bit of abuse from TameSaint and this time it's probably justified as I did say I would keep quiet but clearly Daren with such a dumb response I had no choice and maybe even Tame can see that and from one of my biggest detractors.

 

I think its painfully obvious IMO why MLT would not be England's penalty coach, you just have to read his book.

 

So taking a penalties when your club need miracles to stay in the top division isn't pressure? Whatever you or anyone else thinks of MLT, you are just being silly if you say that isn't pressure. And as for sports psychologists, do you know any who have taken penalties themselves in that situation? Thought not.

 

You sound like the sort of person who believes he can teach himself mountaineering by reading a book by Paul McKenna.

[Colinjb]

In other words Colin you can't be bothered to debate your point of view against mine or you simply agree I may have a point and don't want to acknowlegde it. So your way of dealing with this is to ask the mods to close it.

 

No, I started this thread as I came across the story on the internet and thought it could be a nice thing to discuss whether Le Tissier would be a capable coach or whether it would be a bad idea, I was open minded on the issue and prefered to see how it unfurled. You made some very fair points on the issue to begin with but then predictably as you made a contribution the descenting from other forum users began. Frankly, I intended no personal slight at you for wishing this thread to be closed, but it had clearly gone way off topic and had become another 19C bashing thread. You may have noted I have not directly addressed you or contributed to any issues you are discussing recently, that is because I would rather stay clear of the whole rediculous and purile nature of the arguments you usually attract (even if it is not by intent, you are a somewhat sensationalised figure on this forum, other people react to you as much as you do to them,) but in this case I will make an exception.

 

Your need to attack me for stating my dismay that this innocently started thread had turned into a total trollfest is utterly unneccesary. I expect an appology. I do not expect one but my personal opinion of you would certainly improve if you could show me that you are willing to get off your high horse and show some capacity for empathy.

Edited 23 December, 2009 by Colinjb

[david in sweden]

What a totally incomprehensible argument.

 

Technique is technique whether you are playing Acrrington or Argentina.

 

And I'd wager if you asked messrs Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard they would happily take advice from Le Tiss - whom they (unlike you) might recognise as having something constructive to offer in advice about placement, power and precision. QUOTE]

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Hi, LTCl, you know maybe it's not SUCH a stupid arguement.

Of course, there may be little point in offering advice to the regulars you mentioned, (unless of course they haven't yet reached 48 penalties in their careers and want to compare notes), but many " experienced players" have had no " penalty experience."

 

Firstly - penalties in club games are quite rare in a season. Average 10 per club? :confused: more or less (stats please someone). Most teams have designated kickers for the task, and being so few it's probably down to 1-2 people per club, and so there is probably little or no penalty practice required from others by a club manager. Secondly (because of this) not every player in the international squad has necessarily been called upon to take a kick. One of these classic England failures was David Batty (Leeds)-(forgot which year) who..MISSED-and later admitted that he had NEVER taken a penalty in a competitive game before. (But he was still on the list for the kicking )..and others just don't have the nerve/skill for it.

 

By the time, we get to number 4 or 5 in the " kicking order", we are down to the occasional, or " never done it before " brigade, and thats when we lose. The TIREDNESS factor is definitely a valid point, as tired legs don't have the same endurance level as fresh ones. NOTE: Wotton and Thomas (both subs. in the Norwich game) were successful kickers.

I've heard managers say ..it's no point in having penalty practice as players are so tired at the end of such a game that practice counts for nothing.:smt116

 

I think every player in a squad should have practice - preferably at the end of a HARD training session, its good practice for goalies and kickers, and more true to live situation. (Let Reserve /Academy goalies stand in goal more for the experíence)

 

I only hope that Capello lets everyone get practice - I'd hate to have England go out AGAIN, because we can't find 5 players capable of scoring from the spot. I'm sick of watching tournaments where we battle it out for 10 or 12 games over a year or more, and then go out of the finals for the sake of half-a-dozen " sure-shots " in an international side.

Edited 23 December, 2009 by david in sweden

[Gemmel]

Early onset Alzheimers is a mental heatlh issue if that sort of degenerative disease worthy of a good laugh?

 

Did you know that more money is spent on Breast Implants and Erectile disfunction than on researching Alzhemeirs?

 

The upshot will be,than in 30 years time, we will have OAPS with pert boobs and raging hard on's.........but they will have forgotten what to do with them.