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Taylor v Lewis could be a belter if Lewis keeps up his current form.

 

Yes, that should be excellent.

 

I got very drunk yesterday. We bought too many tokens, so had to spend some on a jug of vodka red bull (with x number of tokens worth of vodka thrown in on top) and had to drink a pint of it rather quickly. A great day as always. Definitely got on TV as well!

 

And one of our group lost £160 betting!

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I'm gonna miss the Taylor vs Lewis game tonight :(

 

If Taylor ain't at the top of his game and averaging 107-110 minimum I can see Lewis beating him if maintains his current form.

 

However this is why Taylor is as good as he is, not only does he always raise his game when he needs to against an in-form player, he knows how to get under hie in-form opponent's skin.

 

This Whitlock-Wade game should be good

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A pretty good final, I thought. Big checkouts by both players, and Whitlock was a little unlucky not to get a couple more sets. Taylor pulled out some massive shots when they were needed most, and ultimately proved that he is the best, without question.

 

Roll on the Premier League!

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A pretty good final, I thought. Big checkouts by both players, and Whitlock was a little unlucky not to get a couple more sets. Taylor pulled out some massive shots when they were needed most, and ultimately proved that he is the best, without question.

 

Roll on the Premier League!

 

I've got tickets for BIC Premier League on 18th Feb

 

Can't wait!

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Do you know when the Premier League line up is revealed?

 

I reckon Whitlock might get the wildcard this year

 

 

I reckon Lewis will get one, Whitlock has a great chance of the other.

 

Mardle will be out on his ear, Manley is a great pantomine villan though.

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Lewis is top 6 and therefore an automatic selection isnt he?

 

Mardle. Useless fat waste of space. Wont see him again on the big stage. His words when he got knocked out the Grand Prix were "im gonna knuckle down, practice practice and practice for the worlds, if i dont play well then i only got myself to look at" or words to that effect

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They haven't updated on the PDC website yet, but:

 

Taylor, Barney, Wade top 3.

 

Think Lewis is now in top 6. Ronnie Baxter might be as well. If not he is very close.

 

Jenkins and King could both have dropped out (although neither were 'defending' money at this World Championship, King as he wasn't in 2 years ago and Jenkins as he lost round 1). Part is definitely out.

 

So, I believe the top 6 are: Taylor, Wade, Barney, Lewis, Baxter and Jenkins.

 

Wild-cards: Whitlock might well get one after that performance. Then probably down to King, Webster, Gary Anderson and maybe Colin Osborne.

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I'm trying to watch[without laughing] at the BBC tournament. It's embarrasing, I just watched an Aussie called 'Fleet' take over twenty darts and he still hadn't got his score down to double figures.

 

It's like watching pub players and I doubt many of these would get past a qualifier for the PDC.

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It's like watching pub players and I doubt many of these would get past a qualifier for the PDC.

 

Thats something I've always said, but two of the semi finalists at this years PDC have both recently come from the BDO. So that sort of ******es on that argument

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Thats something I've always said, but two of the semi finalists at this years PDC have both recently come from the BDO. So that sort of ******es on that argument

 

Overall, any darter who is any good will move over to the PDC. Only those that know they won't cut the mustard with the best PDC darters will stay with the BBC tripe. They'll work on the basis that it's better to be amongst those who are equally poor and thus have a greater chance of winning anything.

 

It'd be a moment of great hilarity to see the vast majority of these PDC pub players against the PDC upper echelons.

 

At one point Adams and Fleet were taking over twenty darts to get to a two-figure score..... I doubt they'd ever get an offer to cross over to the PDC, that's assuming it's not already an optional thing.

 

Do you have to go professional to be in the PDC?

 

Once again, i'm assuming that the BDO players are part time and only get time to practice for a few hours a week.

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I'm trying to watch[without laughing] at the BBC tournament. It's embarrasing, I just watched an Aussie called 'Fleet' take over twenty darts and he still hadn't got his score down to double figures.

 

It's like watching pub players and I doubt many of these would get past a qualifier for the PDC.

 

The first leg was a shocker, it took Adams and Fleet a combined 53 darts to finish the leg.

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The split in darts (see wikipedia) is a good piece to read

 

In the PDC I believe by an large the top 40 are all full time professionals and earn over 40k annually before costs , in the BDO I don't believe there are any. (except Trina Gulliver who plays in the segregated women's tournament)

 

Basically the BDO is run by old farts who are stuck in the 80s, the commentator Tony Green (the worst commentator ever who makes a gaffe every 5 mins literally) and Martin Fitzmaurice (the old fat bloke who shouts 'Let's play darts') are two of the top officials and the top man Olly Croft himself has said himself he doesn't own any player a professional living out of darts. How they can call the BDO World Championships a 'professional' tournament is hilarious. Also this year in the 'world' championships there are 32 players as always, 6 players from Cheshire, 20 are English and only 6 players are from outside the UK and one of them is from Republic of Ireland.

 

However the standard by and large between the two codes isn't generally the gulf in class you might think. The PDC is the higher quality but it's a 10-15% gap, although it's getting greater every year. There are are a few world class players in the BDO, Adams, O'Shea, Fitton etc. but they either won't move to the PDC because they are prejudiced 80s relics and/or have no respect for the PDC (Adams and Hankey) or they can't afford to. (O'Shea, Fitton)

 

The BDO coverage is so dated it's embarrasing and with the standard getting poorer every year it's thought that eventually the PDC chairman Barry Hearn will buy them out. (He's already made one attempt.)

 

It's thought that it costs around 15k a year to do the full PDC Pro Tour and to enter PDC tournaments can cost 10 times higher than the BDO. Although obviously there is far more money to be won in the PDC. Taylor who has totally dominated 2009 has won £1.1 million pounds in prize money.

 

Since the split in darts there has been an almighty exodus to the PDC of all the world's best players and this has never been stronger than now. The Sky PR will tell you the BDO is the "amateur tour" and the PDC is the "professional tour", and this is getting increasingly justified with the poorer quality the BDO World's. The BDO only have 32 players in their tournament where the PDC have 64, plus prelim games between players from places like Japan, Guyana etc.etc

 

Being a sad statistician :wink: the 3 dart average for the BDO last 32 is 84.13, in the PDC last 32 it's 91.38. Not a gulf in class but an ever widening gap.

 

As for the Premier League, it's the top 6 in the PDC order of merit (Taylor, Barney, Wade, Jenkins, Baxter and King) and I have inside knowledge that the two wildcards are almost certainly Gary Anderson and Simon Whitlock.

 

EDIT: Whitlock is confirmed

 

http://www.pdc.tv/page/PremierLeagueDetail/0,,10180~1923073,00.html

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They should go for Lewis ahead of Gary Anderson. However, they missed a trick by not having a Scot last year when they were playing at 3 Scottish venues. Back down to 2 this year, but it probably still makes commercial sense.

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The first leg was a shocker, it took Adams and Fleet a combined 53 darts to finish the leg.

 

Fleet was ****ed out of his skull. The BDO should never have been let him on the stage.

 

It was a disgrace, the match was the 'Not the Nine O'Clock News' sketch part 2

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Fleet was ****ed out of his skull. The BDO should never have been let him on the stage.

 

It was a disgrace, the match was the 'Not the Nine O'Clock News' sketch part 2

 

 

Didnt see it live, but watching it now on this link...LOL

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/darts/8440519.stm

 

 

His 3 dart average after that leg was 38.4

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He was just nervous.

 

He's played in major tournaments before and on big stages before, he actually played in the 2007 PDC World's, and was nowhere near as bad as that.

 

He was either drunk or was having a very prolonged panic attack

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The split in darts (see wikipedia) is a good piece to read

 

In the PDC I believe by an large the top 40 are all full time professionals and earn over 40k annually before costs , in the BDO I don't believe there are any. (except Trina Gulliver who plays in the segregated women's tournament)

 

Basically the BDO is run by old farts who are stuck in the 80s, the commentator Tony Green (the worst commentator ever who makes a gaffe every 5 mins literally) and Martin Fitzmaurice (the old fat bloke who shouts 'Let's play darts') are two of the top officials and the top man Olly Croft himself has said himself he doesn't own any player a professional living out of darts. How they can call the BDO World Championships a 'professional' tournament is hilarious. Also this year in the 'world' championships there are 32 players as always, 6 players from Cheshire, 20 are English and only 6 players are from outside the UK and one of them is from Republic of Ireland.

 

However the standard by and large between the two codes isn't generally the gulf in class you might think. The PDC is the higher quality but it's a 10-15% gap, although it's getting greater every year. There are are a few world class players in the BDO, Adams, O'Shea, Fitton etc. but they either won't move to the PDC because they are prejudiced 80s relics and/or have no respect for the PDC (Adams and Hankey) or they can't afford to. (O'Shea, Fitton)

 

The BDO coverage is so dated it's embarrasing and with the standard getting poorer every year it's thought that eventually the PDC chairman Barry Hearn will buy them out. (He's already made one attempt.)

 

It's thought that it costs around 15k a year to do the full PDC Pro Tour and to enter PDC tournaments can cost 10 times higher than the BDO. Although obviously there is far more money to be won in the PDC. Taylor who has totally dominated 2009 has won £1.1 million pounds in prize money.

 

Since the split in darts there has been an almighty exodus to the PDC of all the world's best players and this has never been stronger than now. The Sky PR will tell you the BDO is the "amateur tour" and the PDC is the "professional tour", and this is getting increasingly justified with the poorer quality the BDO World's. The BDO only have 32 players in their tournament where the PDC have 64, plus prelim games between players from places like Japan, Guyana etc.etc

 

Being a sad statistician :wink: the 3 dart average for the BDO last 32 is 84.13, in the PDC last 32 it's 91.38. Not a gulf in class but an ever widening gap.

 

As for the Premier League, it's the top 6 in the PDC order of merit (Taylor, Barney, Wade, Jenkins, Baxter and King) and I have inside knowledge that the two wildcards are almost certainly Gary Anderson and Simon Whitlock.

 

EDIT: Whitlock is confirmed

 

http://www.pdc.tv/page/PremierLeagueDetail/0,,10180~1923073,00.html

 

Thanks Soppy. Maybe I was just unfortunate to have witnessed the hilarity of Fleet v Adams.

 

I read or was told that Fleet had literally not long arrived at the studio, due to being held up somewhere and had not had chance to throw a few looseners.

 

Actually, I might watch it again to cheer myself up. It's been a long time since I played darts but scores of 3, 5, 21, 26 and 41 were just about my level too :D

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Thanks Soppy. Maybe I was just unfortunate to have witnessed the hilarity of Fleet v Adams.

 

I read or was told that Fleet had literally not long arrived at the studio, due to being held up somewhere and had not had chance to throw a few looseners.

 

Actually, I might watch it again to cheer myself up. It's been a long time since I played darts but scores of 3, 5, 21, 26 and 41 were just about my level too :D

 

It's about my level also;)

 

The very poor/mediocre games happen at the last 32 stage at the BDO, where with the PDC it's the last 64 or in the PDC Prelims.

 

Worst game I ever saw was last year at the PDC World's, they had Akihiro Nakagawa from Japan and Warren French from New Zealand competing in the prelim round and they both averaged 54 in a first to 5 leg match (Fleet averaged 65 the other night)

 

Both players had a complete nightmare, Nakagawa (for cultural reasons I suspect) couldn't cope with the crowd and it got worse when they started heckling, and French had double trouble, his scoring was ok but he missed something like 15-18 darts at a double in the first leg alone. It's common when one player to be so bad for the other to follow, but it was so poor Sky didn't even show the second half of the match.

 

A different Japanese player called Haruki Muramatsu qualified this year, convincingly beat his prelim opponent and was unlucky not to take more than one leg off an on form Ronnie Baxter in the last 64. Muramatsu averaged 84 against Baxter which matched a lot of the English players who qualify for the PDC world championship, never mind BDO. They got some half decent players in far east Asia/Oceania

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Hankey fined 250 quid for swearing at the crowd during the Grand Slam of Darts

 

http://www.pdc.tv/page/NewsdeskDetail/0,,10180~1925375,00.html

 

Regarding the rest of the link, this means the skate Andy Jenkins gets chucked out of the Players Championship (end of the month on ITV4) and I believe gets replaced by Peter Manley

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If you want to find out more about the split go on to you tube and there is short programme called Blood On The Carpet, it is a good watch.

 

That was a great watch, but I noticed the end had MM as the date

 

PDC darts has come a long way in the 10 years since

 

In fact, Olly Croft must have conceded defeat, because BDO players joined PDC for the ITV tournament in Wolverhampton

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Hankey fined 250 quid for swearing at the crowd during the Grand Slam of Darts

 

http://www.pdc.tv/page/NewsdeskDetail/0,,10180~1925375,00.html

 

Regarding the rest of the link, this means the skate Andy Jenkins gets chucked out of the Players Championship (end of the month on ITV4) and I believe gets replaced by Peter Manley

 

Yup, I guess that is the case. Filthy skate.

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That was a great watch, but I noticed the end had MM as the date

 

PDC darts has come a long way in the 10 years since

 

In fact, Olly Croft must have conceded defeat, because BDO players joined PDC for the ITV tournament in Wolverhampton

 

like they have since 2007 (barring Adams). :confused:

 

The Grand Slam of darts you're referring to is a PDC event which invites BDO player which have either got to the BDO World's semi final and beyond and the winner of the Winmau World Masters. Every BDO player (apart from Martin Adams) has accepted their invite so far. The BDO players to accept their invites has nothing to do with Olly Croft.

 

The event is basically geared as a "come and join the PDC" advertisement aimed at the BDO players.

 

When he got to the final of the 2009 GSOD, Scott Waites earned more in that tournament than in his entire BDO career.

 

Besides the BDO head Olly Croft, has publicly said he's considering a takeover offer from the PDC chairman Barry Hearn.

 

Him and Fitzmaurice predictably dismissed it straightaway until the BDO county leagues rebelled and shouted Croft and the rest of the maroon blazer wearing pensioners that make up the BDO hierachy down.

 

According to recent accounts the PDC made £1 milion in profit, whereas the BDO made just £16,000. Croft claimed this was because "the BDO put all their money straight back into the grass roots of darts". Strange then that 4 BDO county leagues came within days of going bust.

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And Nicholson went on to beat Mervyn King 13-11 in a gripping final, and win a major TV tournament. Not many players can say they have done that, so well done to him.

 

Some quite excellent checkouts, including a 170 v Taylor when Phil was sat on 32, and he had to beat Lewis, Taylor and King all in one day - quite some feat.

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His checkouts v Taylor were quite stunning. Lots of mind games played during that match too, best for me was Taylor was on a 164 (i think) hit two treble 19's, opted to go for 18 rather than bull when Nicholson was sat on a 136. As if to say, go on then, you've hit 3 ton plus's so far, here's another go....! Taylor way below his best, but still had an average of 100 less a bit of change. Top stuff...!

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would have enjoyed watching it last night, but for the fact it was on ITV. they are absolutely shocking at covering sport, and were appalling again with this tournament

 

for some reason, they cant get the sound right, there is no atmosphere, its like listening to the radio through next doors wall. and the commentators - embarrassing

 

scandal to have a tournament like this on itv

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would have enjoyed watching it last night, but for the fact it was on ITV. they are absolutely shocking at covering sport, and were appalling again with this tournament

 

for some reason, they cant get the sound right, there is no atmosphere, its like listening to the radio through next doors wall. and the commentators - embarrassing

 

scandal to have a tournament like this on itv

 

seriously mate, if you think that was bad, don't watch the BDO tournaments on the BBC. . .

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