Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 (edited) Letter of complaint by a resident about the new development. Surprised they have made these public! http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/images/planningimages/130310_1.pdf Edited 9 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I did wonder if they might in time consider relocating away from staplewood. Its way off the beaten track and ideally needs to be north or north east of Southampton in the london corridor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/images/planningimages/130387_1.pdf Sounds promising from the initial review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Perhaps if Brenda learnt how to use a "." her letter might make more sense. Stupid old bint no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Does Nic Cortese saying that they will be the best in the division, mean that they will be upgraded again for the championship and then the premiership, as other clubs in the championship will still have better facilities, or is it possible that Staplewood will be sold or you wholly by the academy and the senior players get a new training ground elsewhere, afterall there are plenty of sites around the city that could be developed into a new 'state of the art' home for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Perhaps if Brenda learnt how to use a "." her letter might make more sense. Stupid old bint no doubt. Cynical using something like the emergency services to try and push her agenda. I bet she has no idea how easy it is to get emergency services through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 (edited) as other clubs in the championship will still have better facilities I'd say these plans would be about 8th to 10th best in the Premiership. Certainly better than practically all Championship clubs. Edited 9 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Letter of complaint by a resident about the new development. http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/images/planningimages/130310_1.pdf Bit dodgy of New Forest district council to put the name and address of an objector online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 The plans look good, certainly an improvement on Woodward's "state of the art, cutting edge blah blah blah....". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Letter of complaint by a resident about the new development. http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/images/planningimages/130310_1.pdf Wow, literacy not a factor in the Marchwood area ? If that's worth complaining about, it is also probably worth using punctuation. A load of that "land ownership history" is completely irrelevant as well. I'm not best impressed with the redaction in the doc either, are they supposed to leave full addresses in public documents like that ? And there's a third party named in the CC: line next to where they've blacked out the email address... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Planning applications and all related documents have to be made public including their source hence the name and address. If the address were hidden think of the PO post code conclusions that would be drawn as to the source of the objections. This lady whilst obviously a NIMBY she is very close to the development and is exercising her democratic right. It won’t do her any good, the planning officers report recognises quite clearly there are no grounds for refusal. Have to say I am very impressed with the qulity of design, it is a very positive statement of intent by Sir Markus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Bit dodgy of New Forest district council to put the name and address of an objector online. I think to give an address of an objector is an utter disgrace and needs to be addressed immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 As posted earlier, under the planning portal all comments submitted about a planning application submitted to a local authority are posted on that applications website. Nothing new there, and in a democracy I believe quite correct. (There are far more contentious applications submitted than an extension to a training ground, eg Marchwood incinerator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I want to know what sort of mines there are in the area, exactly, and why there was a "miner disturbance". Who upset the miners? Are the Nashes a family of miners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Everything old Brenda is complaining about exists already! You can already see buildings over the trees- won't matter that we're making it two storeys then. The noise level isn't going to increase, neither are the amount of people there! Apart from during the building process. Think she's submitted her objections a few years too late! She needed to object back in the 'Road Sea' days! Incidentally, whilst the council are obviously obliged to make all objections public, they are surely not under instruction to publish the personal details of the objector? I really hope no one takes it upon themselves to try to find or contact her in anyway- everyone's entitled to their opinions after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 is it just me or have the OS still not corrected the video of the PC they put up earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul75 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 The article for the training ground keeps mentioning "lack of space " on the site. I wonder if they have or would consider moving completely to a new site. Maybe hard to do with planning and green belts but would give more space. I wonder if any plans have been drawn up to improve St Mary's? Changing rooms at St Mary's have already been done in last few weeks but will anything else internally be upgraded or a stadium capacity expansion in the pipeline for potentially playing in the Premiership again. I managed to talk to someone involved at the time of St Mary's being built, he said it was hard work but managed to talk Lowe into spending abit more more money on the steelwork, with the plan being should the club grow it will be able to put another tier on the the Kingsland, Chapel & Northam without rippong it apart, Cant build on the Itchen due to the boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul75 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Rippong should read "Ripping" oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 There is an edit button Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Incidentally, whilst the council are obviously obliged to make all objections public, they are surely not under instruction to publish the personal details of the objector? I really hope no one takes it upon themselves to try to find or contact her in anyway- everyone's entitled to their opinions after all. As I mentioned, local authorities post all details of all applications in the public domain and do not withhold addresses as these people's comments need to be seen to be considered - and then rejected as irrelevant ! Otherwise any agent who submits a contentious application, Architects or planning consultancies, would need to employ 24 hour security. My practice has submitted hundreds of applications for various clients over the years and have never had any problems with our fellow citizens - we're rational, civilised, democratic and British after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I did wonder if they might in time consider relocating away from staplewood. Its way off the beaten track and ideally needs to be north or north east of Southampton in the london corridor.[/QUOTE] Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 There is an edit button Paul. Only for full members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniS Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I wonder if any plans have been drawn up to improve St Mary's? I can't mention anything specifically, but there have certainly been 'evaluations' made recently pertaining towards a possible extension of the stadium. That's all I can divulge I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I see the Beeb have now got hold of the story. The bit I don't like is the opening statement. It says: Southampton have unveiled plans to upgrade their training ground at Marchwood to Premier League standard... Now, hang on Auntie, I believe they were supposed to be of Premier League standard. They're just going to be that much better by the start of next season. Some clubs don't have facilities at all, let alone the standard of facilities Saints currently have. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8404293.stm But let's face it. If Markus reckons they need improving, who of us is going to be of a contrary opinion..? Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I can't mention anything specifically, but there have certainly been 'evaluations' made recently pertaining towards a possible extension of the stadium. That's all I can divulge I'm afraid. Can you not even get near to mentioning the word, tier..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Up north where we are, one of the local councils got into a lot of strife for putting names and addresses of objectors on the web. There was a typical local media furore followed by councillors eating humble pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do think that you Admin guys and girls need to remove the address of the complaining neighbour and sharpish .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Interesting to see they bought forward the timing of the development: perhaps to take advantage of underemployed building firms at the moment and cheaper quotes. I've only been to a game at Staplewood once, but parking was a nightmare: a free or subsidised bus from Southampton for reserve games would be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Councils are Public Bodies therefore bound by The Freedom of Information Act I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do think that you Admin guys and girls need to remove the address of the complaining neighbour and sharpish .... It's a publicly available website, nothing to do with saintsweb. As others have stated, councils always put up the names and addresses of objectors (and also people who agree with the proposals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 We should all go online to http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/planningonline/acolnetcgi.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=167811 and support the Application before the politically correct brigade say its near a green field site and try and prevent it. What's it got to do with you? If local people wish to complain about it then they are within their rights because it may affect them (even if it's just their preception). How does it affect you? It doesn't because you live thousands of miles away. How about if someone wantes to build something (it doesn't matter what) next to your house and loads of people in another country said "Oh that's ok, I approve of it, don't listen to these moaners"? I don't care what your opinion is and nor should the council or anyone. It's nothign to do with being PC, it's about local people having some say in what happens in that area and not having outsiders (you) put their unwarranted opinions and thoughts in. In fact, the more I type, the more angry I am getting at your complete idiocy and selfishness. How dare you suggest that people who wish to complain about what happens in their area are the "PC brigade". This is an issue beyond Southampton FC and if people wish to complain they should be allowed to......apart from you because you don't live anywhere near the affected area, or even in the same country (disclaimer - you name and location suggests you live elsewhere, if you are a local resident then I take back my comments, but still classify you as a knob for not changing your location and using the phrase "PC brigade") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 hmm great proof reading... page 15 "The new building will provide vastly improved trianing and medical facilitie for Southampton Football Club." Wassa matter you? Ne sprachan ti pas Swiss?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do despair at some of the comments on this thread. Of course a Southampton Football supporters we want what is best for our club and the planning facilities look very good but spare a thought for those residents who live nearby. They have a right to put their point of view when it affects their daily life. Over the years Staplewood has changed in all recognition. The roads around the complex are inadequate and the parking is a known problem. Anyone who has been to Staplewood for a reserve game or the like will be aware of the issues. Let the locals have their say and that includes Southampton Football Club who occupy the land. It is not for others away from the area to make judgements. I thought the email printed was perfectly reasonable and from someone who is and will be affected by the development. I happen to know the Nash’s personally and they are good people. Let’s move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do despair at some of the comments on this thread. Of course a Southampton Football supporters we want what is best for our club and the planning facilities look very good but spare a thought for those residents who live nearby. They have a right to put their point of view when it affects their daily life. Over the years Staplewood has changed in all recognition. The roads around the complex are inadequate and the parking is a known problem. Anyone who has been to Staplewood for a reserve game or the like will be aware of the issues. Let the locals have their say and that includes Southampton Football Club who occupy the land. It is not for others away from the area to make judgements. I thought the email printed was perfectly reasonable and from someone who is and will be affected by the development. I happen to know the Nash’s personally and they are good people. Let’s move on. Fair enough Ron, good sentiment. But do you have to know everyone? Does it add any more creditability to your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 The roads around Marchwood are a nightmare at school times but that doesn't affect anything the school chooses to do. I had to take my car to the garage and got stuck in the school Chelsea tractor run which was far worse than any Reserve matchday traffic. How many games are played at Stapelwood that attract big crowds...yes the onsite car parking is atrocious but its always coned off on the roads to avoid neighbours getting affected. I agree the football has grown massively in Marchwood but its also provided quite a few jobs for the locals as well so it has it's positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Fair enough Ron, good sentiment. But do you have to know everyone? Does it add any more creditability to your post? That was an aside, not the main point. It is a fundamental right to be able to object to development in one's locality, not that it does any good, as it is going to be people that don't live in the area making the decision at NFDC, from New Milton to Lymington to Totton which is the real weakness in the objecting principle. Virtually all projects are eventually passed even if it means an appeal despite local opposition, this will be no different. What makes this different to most other clubs, the owner is paying for it and the club remains debt free which is almost unique in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MbaleSaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 What makes this different to most other clubs, the owner is paying for it and the club remains debt free which is almost unique in football. But is he? Nicola says on the OS, 'I would like to underline that at this point the costs for this project are fully funded within our operating budget. The Club remains debt free.'. I take that to mean the funds are coming from within the club's income and not from Markus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do despair at some of the comments on this thread. Of course a Southampton Football supporters we want what is best for our club and the planning facilities look very good but spare a thought for those residents who live nearby. They have a right to put their point of view when it affects their daily life. Over the years Staplewood has changed in all recognition. The roads around the complex are inadequate and the parking is a known problem. Anyone who has been to Staplewood for a reserve game or the like will be aware of the issues. Let the locals have their say and that includes Southampton Football Club who occupy the land. It is not for others away from the area to make judgements. I thought the email printed was perfectly reasonable and from someone who is and will be affected by the development. I happen to know the Nash’s personally and they are good people. Let’s move on. I'd agree with what you are saying if the planning application was for a change of use, or an increase in usage. However it isn't. The use of the site will be exactly the same, the amount of traffic will be the same, all that is changing is a building. Which is why their objection has no validity. You can't complain about something which already happens/exists. That's not the way the process works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Fair enough Ron, good sentiment. But do you have to know everyone? Does it add any more creditability to your post? ITK mate, ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 But is he? Nicola says on the OS, 'I would like to underline that at this point the costs for this project are fully funded within our operating budget. The Club remains debt free.'. I take that to mean the funds are coming from within the club's income and not from Markus. Doubt it. What it probably means is that there a section in the club's operating budget called: "money given to us by Markus". I also note that he says, "at this time". Some debt financing could be used in the future IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 The land might well have been sold had Southampton not been bought out of administration by Markus Liebherr and we had no further need of it and it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that it might have had an application for housing to be built on it. Bearing in mind the pressure from Central Government for more housing development in the South East, that planning application might have been granted. The pertinent question that should be answered by the objector, is whether she would prefer to have the land used as a training facility for a few players mostly and occasionally for a reserve team fixture every fortnight or so, or whether she would prefer the possibility of high density new housing units to be built on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I do think that you Admin guys and girls need to remove the address of the complaining neighbour and sharpish .... Why? It is publicly available on a councils website. As there is going to be no change in traffic density or land-use and the only change is making a 2nd floor on a building she can't see I don't see why she cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Why? It is publicly available on a councils website. As there is going to be no change in traffic density or land-use and the only change is making a 2nd floor on a building she can't see I don't see why she cares. It's the slippery slope towards Dibden Bay, don't ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 But is he? Nicola says on the OS, 'I would like to underline that at this point the costs for this project are fully funded within our operating budget. The Club remains debt free.'. I take that to mean the funds are coming from within the club's income and not from Markus. Kevin James quoted Nicola Cortese on BBC Solent sports news this morning. The owner is paying for the training ground and money is available for transfers in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Doubt it. What it probably means is that there a section in the club's operating budget called: "money given to us by Markus". I also note that he says, "at this time". Some debt financing could be used in the future IMO. Exactly as I see it. Markus would have agreed a set operating budget and we continue to work within it. It is all part of the 5 year plan, we (Markus) could lose money for the first couple of years, but he is investing for the future and will re-coup his initial outlays so long as the plan bears fruits. Remember - these are business people who have proved their crudentials over a long period of time, they are seeing the bigger picture, in for the long term and gearing this business (SFC) for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 9 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 January, 2010 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4842564.Saints_training_ground_plan_given_boost/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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