Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I see that your promise to never mention MLT again lasted about a week . Anyone would think that you were 2 different people the way that your moods swing so violently ;-) Interesting display of double standards Tame and I'm afraid I couldn't help but point it out to those shouting cheat. Thats two distasteful little swipes at schizophrenia today Tame, are you suggesting you know something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 im not labeling either a cheat, Henry, the ball ran down his arm, ref and lino failed to spot it when the whole ground and everyone watching on tv did, not Henrys fault. LeTiss, couldnt have been that bad or he would have been hammered for it now..other than by you of course Good for you Mike, others are not so discerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 19, there are some situations where some peoples opinions ARE wrong. These situations are easily identified by one simple fact - the person spouting them is the only one who really believes in what they are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Interesting display of double standards Tame and I'm afraid I couldn't help but point it out to those shouting cheat. Thats two distasteful little swipes at schizophrenia today Tame, are you suggesting you know something? I think the most interesting example of double standards is someone saying that he wasn't going to bore us yet again with his views about MLT and then he mahages to raise it yet again in a thread that had nothing to do with MLT. You are ckearly a sad obsessed individual. Sometimes the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing does it 19C??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 19, there are some situations where some peoples opinions ARE wrong. These situations are easily identified by one simple fact - the person spouting them is the only one who really believes in what they are saying. OK, what's the difference in calling Henry a cheat whilst turning a blind eye to Le Tissier's wrong doing. Both were one off instances but neither were honest and for different reasons were seeking some personal gain or otherwise. Trying to rubbish my belief does not discount the fact Le Tissier cheated or acted dishonestly for his personal gain. My opinion cannot simply be discounted in this scenario so without reference to myself explain the difference between Henry and Le Tissier and why one is a cheat and the other should be exonerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I think the most interesting example of double standards is someone saying that he wasn't going to bore us yet again with his views about MLT and then he mahages to raise it yet again in a thread that had nothing to do with MLT. You are ckearly a sad obsessed individual. Sometimes the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing does it 19C??? Tame you are no better than Saint Clark - without reference to myself and trying to belittle my opinion or character give me an explanation as to the definition of a cheat and the difference between Henry and Le Tissier. Explain to me why fans bleating about Morgan's comments smacks of double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Tame you are no better than Saint Clark - without reference to myself and trying to belittle my opinion or character give me an explanation as to the definition of a cheat and the difference between Henry and Le Tissier. Explain to me why fans bleating about Morgan's comments smacks of double standards. Explain to me why last week, after you promised us that you would not pollute this forum any longer with your views about MLT , have you come back to hijack yet another thread with views which no true Saints fan would subscribe to? Is it too much to expect you to hold one consistent view from one week to the next??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Not a particularly clever statement to say that you hope your home country "takes out" the country where you play your football and your wages are paid. Not likely to endear him to anyone anyway. What you expect ' I really hope that England best my home country France where I've grown up, as since I've been playing for Southampton its obviously the most wonderful place in the world I just couldn't think of anyone beating my now beloved England' You are a jerk I'm sorry; did my comment deserve that insult?! I don't think for one minute that he should discard his Frenchness just because he earns a lving over here, just that maybe he should be slightly more tactful and diplomatic perhaps. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your future posts so I can return the compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Footballers cheat,it's up to the ref to blow up and book them for it. If he doesn't because he's a plonker well then alls fair in love,war and football. Anyway, the French have been victims of at least 2 world cup outrages, worst of all the flying drop kick by Schumacher on Patrick Battiston in the 1982 semi. FIFA owed them for that one, perhaps now it's even Steven again. What a despicible man he was, and probably still is. Shows how the game has moved on; he didn't get sent off for that, in fact I'm not even sure a free-kick was given? Nothing whatsoever.It was a straight red even by 1982 standards and a penalty for a foul in the area. Ball doesn't need to be anywhere near for it to be a penalty, it was an assassination attempt. Ref gave f*ck all, just a goal kick. He'd been bought, that can be the only explanation. The only part of your comment I would disagree with in the slightest is that I think the foul actually happened outside the area? Although I would guess that Schumacher was inside the area when he took off!!!! He could have killed Battiston; gave him a fractured collarbone and two fractured vertebrae I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Explain to me why last week, after you promised us that you would not pollute this forum any longer with your views about MLT , have you come back to hijack yet another thread with views which no true Saints fan would subscribe to? Is it too much to expect you to hold one consistent view from one week to the next??? My views are very consistent Tame so instead of doing all you can to avoid a relevant question by deflection why don't you actually address the apparent double standards of some fans. I'm not actually polluting the forum or debating MLT's past action just asking how some can defend his action yet accuse Henry of cheating, I am not discussing the details of MLT's case in case you hadn't noticed just questioning what some fans see as cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 ...He's French and has skippered the national side at various levels - what do you expect him to say? As to Henry - he did what most pros would do (oh and I think it was ball to hand which is another debate) - played to the whistle. Lets be honest when Claus took him out in the cup final he could have gone down ala ronaldo, pires etc etc but he didn't and I will always give him credit for that. Fair point. If he'd have gone down it would probably have been a penalty. That said, it is still wrong for a team to go through to such an important competition on he back of a wrong decision. Henry was, like other players, just playing to the whistle. We're all taught that from an early age in team sports. I notice Hermann Hreidarsson saying that Pimpley's penalty wasn't one. Didn't stop him accepting the decision though. BTW, I don't blame Schneiderlin for his comments. I'd expect him to say such things. I'm always slightly suspicious when overseas players want England to do better than their own country anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 just watching various games over the weekend on telly...the number of dishonest things that happened must have reached up to about 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 just watching various games over the weekend on telly...the number of dishonest things that happened must have reached up to about 50 I noticed that but I think it's because it's seen as open season now. No punishment, no bans, no fines, not even a booking in most cases. Unless there is a clampdown, this will get worse and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 I noticed that but I think it's because it's seen as open season now. No punishment, no bans, no fines, not even a booking in most cases. Unless there is a clampdown, this will get worse and worse. it has been like this for ages.. right now, just flicked it on Villareal v Getafe on Sky...the villareal players a diving all over the place and claiming corners when it clearly (by a mile) is not.. the ONE thing that really gets me peed off is when refs let blatent simulation go unpunished (when they have the power to dish cards out)... Drogba yesterday was doing his platoon impression when he was touched.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Drogba yesterday was doing his platoon impression when he was touched.. Hreidarsson did one when he wasn't. Skate wonker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 Hreidarsson did one when he wasn't. Skate wonker!! yes... it is all well and good him saying it was not a penalty..but the intention was there ffs..yet no one..NO ONE mentioned it after the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 The only part of your comment I would disagree with in the slightest is that I think the foul actually happened outside the area? Although I would guess that Schumacher was inside the area when he took off!!!! He could have killed Battiston; gave him a fractured collarbone and two fractured vertebrae I think... I remember watching that match on TV at the time. Initially my thoughts were along the lines of WTF? - I think I just couldn't believe what I thought I'd seen. When I then saw the replay, and then in slow motion too, I had to believe it but didn't want to. A straightforward, deliberate assault on an opponent, which could have led to even more serious injury than it did. Schumacher should have been banned for life for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 6 December, 2009 Share Posted 6 December, 2009 it has been like this for ages.. right now, just flicked it on Villareal v Getafe on Sky...the villareal players a diving all over the place and claiming corners when it clearly (by a mile) is not.. the ONE thing that really gets me peed off is when refs let blatent simulation go unpunished (when they have the power to dish cards out)... Drogba yesterday was doing his platoon impression when he was touched.. For pretty much as long as I've been watching football (let's say thirty years) it's been the case that whenever the ball goes out of play the closest players from each side put their hands in the air to claim the throw/kick. Is that cheating if you know the ball hit you last? I'd say it probably is, but then I've never even played the game at any serious level - it's easy to be sporting when nothing rides on the result. I'd agree with DD about lack of bookings for simulation - refs have been given the power to do this, and they should do it a sight more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 7 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 December, 2009 (edited) The French are a 'bunch of cheats'. Really? I thought just one of them handled the ball. Has an English player ever handled a ball deliberately to gain an advantage? Yes, so the English are also a bunch of cheats, and should be excluded from the World cup, right? Would the Irish have won the match if Henry had not handled the ball? Possibly, but more likely no, they wouldn't have. Which of the two foreign sides do you think would have added more to the finals, France or the Republic of Ireland? What lessons should be learned from the way in which it will be France that are in this year's tournament finals? These are interesting subjects for debate, not whether or not the French are a bunch of cheats. Before you lot get all high and mighty and xenophobic think about just a few of the English players you've slagged off for diving, fouling, handling, shirt-pulling, wrongly claiming for throw-ins, feigning injury, time-wasting etc.; particularly when they have been playing against Saints. Let's just be a little more adult about this. Its a shame that Sepp Blatter thinks the same as you.... It shouldn't be about "who adds more to the finals", if it was then you just pick the top 32 teams in the world. Instead (and quite rightly) teams have to earn the right to play in a world cup finals. Oh, and I didn't refer to the French as a bunch of cheats (don't know why you used "" marks to quote me) Edited 7 December, 2009 by Marsdinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 It looks like we'll play them in the QF anyway, if all goes to plan (and if I understand the FIFA website!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Love these complete over reactions. Like reading the Daily Mail. Micheal Owen diving in '98 anyone??? Can't remember us slagging ourselves off and throwing ourselves out of that competition!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Micheal Owen diving in '98 anyone??? Can't remember us slagging ourselves off and throwing ourselves out of that competition!!! Although your point remains valid, weren't we knocked out of the competition in that game anyway? Unless David Batty decided the honourable thing to do under the circumstances was balls up his penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 I remember watching that match on TV at the time. Initially my thoughts were along the lines of WTF? - I think I just couldn't believe what I thought I'd seen. When I then saw the replay, and then in slow motion too, I had to believe it but didn't want to. A straightforward, deliberate assault on an opponent, which could have led to even more serious injury than it did. Schumacher should have been banned for life for that. Battiston was about 60 centimetres into the box when Schumacher hit him. The ref was a complete knob, Dutch ref for a game involving Germans should never have happened.Schumacher said in his book that he was trying to get the ball-well he would wouldn't he.He also said there was "substance use" in the German national side and in several Bundesliga clubs. As he had no proof he got slung out on his ear from booth club and country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 7 December, 2009 Share Posted 7 December, 2009 Battiston was about 60 centimetres into the box when Schumacher hit him. The ref was a complete knob, Dutch ref for a game involving Germans should never have happened.Schumacher said in his book that he was trying to get the ball-well he would wouldn't he.He also said there was "substance use" in the German national side and in several Bundesliga clubs. As he had no proof he got slung out on his ear from booth club and country. You're right, it was inside the area. And Schumacher insighting the French fans afterwards; God knows how long he'd be banned for these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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