The Kraken Posted 10 December, 2009 Posted 10 December, 2009 I can't believe that so many people are so short sighted as to the huge benefits that being a host city will bring. Everything the 9 has written above is correct (by the way went to watch the mighty newport county last night!). This City needs something to generate a buzz and being a host city would certainly do that - the 'shoe in' for the rugby world cup does n't count because we are traditionally a football city - the city needs something big, this was the next opportunity... yet again they (the council) have failed to grasp the nettle. it gets added to the list but we need to do something to get this place back on the map! I agree totally. You have to look beyond the football club alone to see how great this could be for Southampton and the surrounding area. South Africa is undergoing an enormous modernisation throughout the country because of the WC next year, some of it well overdue but it just wouldn't have happened without football instigating it. Having the World Cup would be a huge boost for the city not just for 3 matches, but from now until well beyond the tournament.
theyin Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 this hot off the press from facebook.... Why give up? Apparently Spurs chairman Daniel Levy still thinks there's a chance his new ground, should it get the go ahead, could be a venue at the 2018 WC. Here's the interesting bit from the article.... "Levy also encouraged shareholders to write to Haringey council to increase the chances of gaining planning permissi...on for a new 58,000-seat stadium, which he believes could be used as a host ground if England's 2018 World Cup bid is successful. "I would urge you to write and support the application," he said. "These are exciting times, and the stadium would be a possible venue for the World Cup, but we must not rest on our laurels." So come on Messrs Cortese and Smith, show your colours and give it a try. Get knocking on the FA's door! http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/10/tottenham-harry-redknapp-daniel-levy-agm
hutch Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 South Africa is undergoing an enormous modernisation throughout the country because of the WC next year, some of it well overdue but it just wouldn't have happened without football instigating it. Who told you that? Don't believe everything you see on the telly or read in the papers. A couple of new Stadia doesn't equal an enormous modernisation throughout the Country. The rest is just routine development, repair and maintenance of the existing infrastructure which has been brought forward to make the place look nice for the visitors.
Junction 9 Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 You are very wrong here. When in the Premiership Southampton averaged over 30k for EVERY season in a 32k stadium(segregation takes up some aswell). 2004-05: 30,610 (The FA Premier League) 2003-04: 31,699 (The FA Premier League) 2002-03: 30,680 (The FA Premier League) 2001-02: 30,633 (The FA Premier League) Saints will need a bigger capacity if Mr Liebherr takes us back to the Premiership. Saints could easily get over 40k for the "big" teams and if doing well 35k for all the rest. Look at the capacity and attendances for the Premiership http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html If we want to compete in the Premiership, Saints will need a bigger ground than 32k Very wrong? According to that list there are 12 clubs "competing" in the Premiership with under 40k stadia. Also we wouldn't easily get 40k for the big clubs, you just made that up. In all of the average SMS figures you printed above all of them show an average of less than capacity yet we need a bigger stadium? You are assuming football crowds will rise year on year and you only have to look at Pompey to see than this is not the case.
farawaysaint Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 QUOTE=hutch;528272]Who told you that? Don't believe everything you see on the telly or read in the papers. A couple of new Stadia doesn't equal an enormous modernisation throughout the Country. The rest is just routine development, repair and maintenance of the existing infrastructure which has been brought forward to make the place look nice for the visitors. Disagree, in Cape Town there's massive infrastructure redevelopment especially in terms of the road system although the BRT is still pathetic
The Kraken Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 Who told you that? Don't believe everything you see on the telly or read in the papers. A couple of new Stadia doesn't equal an enormous modernisation throughout the Country. The rest is just routine development, repair and maintenance of the existing infrastructure which has been brought forward to make the place look nice for the visitors. Who told me it? A friend who spends half of the year living out there. He's said the difference he's seeing over there is just staggering. I think I'll take his word for it.
hutch Posted 12 December, 2009 Posted 12 December, 2009 Who told me it? A friend who spends half of the year living out there. He's said the difference he's seeing over there is just staggering. I think I'll take his word for it. That'll be half as much of the year as I spend here then. But what do I know. I only make a living building infrastructure. There is a lot of work being done on the urban motorway networks in the big Cities, but it's mostly adding extra lanes, or repairing. It's not building new motorways. It's not an enormous modernisation and it's not happening throughout the Country. Some of it may be overdue, and it is most definately all happening now because of the World Cup. But most of it would have happened anyway, in due course. My point is that South Africa already had urban infrastructure in the large cities which is equal to or better than many first world countries. Yes, I watch Sky News here, and see the reporting from the poorer areas, and the poverty. But that will all still be here after the World Cup is gone. But at least they'll be able to walk along wider motorways to get to bigger stadia to watch football.
krissyboy31 Posted 16 December, 2009 Posted 16 December, 2009 England United make their decision today on which cities will be involved in their bid and obviously, Southampton is not on there. Interestingly though (reported on SNN) the final decision is with FIFA and they can veto cities on that bid and ADD others. All may not be lost then?
Matthew Le God Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 (edited) Plymouth in trouble... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/8557104.stm I think if someone on the bid pulls out it goes to one of those that failed like Leicester or Hull. However it may be worth Saints offering a Southern alternative or there is a huge gap in the map with only London and Bristol in the south. Edited 9 March, 2010 by Matthew Le God
alehouseboys Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 As provided by 'Minime' on the St Marys expansion thread... Would be nice.
unionhotel Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 As provided by 'Minime' on the St Marys expansion thread... Would be nice. What a brilliant design. This should have a thread of its' own.
The9 Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 (edited) But that will all still be here after the World Cup is gone. But at least they'll be able to walk along wider motorways to get to bigger stadia to watch football. I thought one of the problems with South Africa was that it was lacking the conventional "motorway" infrastructure between major cities, leaving irregular and (warning, hyperbole) bandit-ridden train journeys and expensive internal flights as the only alternatives for travel between venues ? That and the accommodation nightmare are good reasons not to go. FIFA's plan was to tell people to fly to the "well equipped" Durban for hotels even if they wanted to attend matches in Jo'burg, but in practice if you want Durban accommodation from FIFA's website accommodation links they'll offer to put you up in Zimbabwe for about £300 a night if you're lucky. And of course you can't camp, as it's winter and a tad chilly overnight. Edited 9 March, 2010 by The9
Sour Mash Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 And of course you can't camp, as it's winter and a tad chilly overnight. Got a mate who is camping for the whole tournament! Rubbish place for the World Cup in my humble opinion.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 (edited) I thought one of the problems with South Africa was that it was lacking the conventional "motorway" infrastructure between major cities, leaving irregular and (warning, hyperbole) bandit-ridden train journeys and expensive internal flights as the only alternatives for travel between venues ? That and the accommodation nightmare are good reasons not to go. FIFA's plan was to tell people to fly to the "well equipped" Durban for hotels even if they wanted to attend matches in Jo'burg, but in practice if you want Durban accommodation from FIFA's website accommodation links they'll offer to put you up in Zimbabwe for about £300 a night if you're lucky. And of course you can't camp, as it's winter and a tad chilly overnight. I would have thought that you could buy Zimbabwe for £300 :confused: Anyway apparently we've had to give the South Africans a million £ to boost their condom supplies so their WC is going to cost the taxpayer as well. Edited 9 March, 2010 by Window Cleaner
The9 Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 Got a mate who is camping for the whole tournament! Rubbish place for the World Cup in my humble opinion. I hope he's near Durban, it's about 9 degrees C there at night, everywhere else is going to be 1-2 degrees, apparently.
Master Bates Posted 9 March, 2010 Author Posted 9 March, 2010 Got a mate who is camping for the whole tournament! Rubbish place for the World Cup in my humble opinion. He'll get bitten by a spider.
Dark Munster Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 Got a mate who is camping for the whole tournament! Rubbish place for the World Cup in my humble opinion. Hope he doesn't wake up to find one of these in his sleeping bag.
docker-p Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 The level of the FA's incompetence is legend, but even those half wits must be able to say the merit of Southampton being involved in a World Cup bid. I think NC shouldn't give up on the case.
Joesaint Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 The level of the FA's incompetence is legend, but even those half wits must be able to say the merit of Southampton being involved in a World Cup bid. I think NC shouldn't give up on the case. Agree.
RedSquirrel Posted 9 March, 2010 Posted 9 March, 2010 Hope he doesn't wake up to find one of these in his sleeping bag. Having lived in SA for 5 years in the 80's there is a good chance he will not wake up at all if one of those is in his sleeping bag :-(
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