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]-10[/b] and now the World Cup.

 

Surely given that the Skates pulled out they could have made an allowance.

 

Imagine Man United didnt bid because City did.....if City pulled out would they FA allow United to submit a late bid?

-10 was down to the Football League, not the Football Association. When will people understand the basic strcture of football governance in England (I'll accept that you are in Scotland, but surely its the same there with the SPL, the Scottish Football League and the SFA - not Sweet Fanny Adams in this case).

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I'm hopeful that, between now and 2018, Saints clinch the Premiership title at Old Trafford while consigning ManUre to relegation. A World Cup staged in England will look a little silly ignoring the 50,000 capacity St Mary's Stadium filled consistently with passionate Saints fans.

 

Ok, so allow me a pleasant dream.

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by 2018 we should be able to fill a 40,000 seater provided markus doesnt f*** off. 5 year prem plan should work yet alone a 9 year 1! englands bid will fail anyway so it's pointless!

 

Quite. And if you encased the FA headquarters with a wafer-thin paper bag, the bigwigs trapped inside would die of starvation. Triesman in particular is a walking billboard for malevolent uselessness.

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The bid will fall flat on it's arse anyway.

 

I for one hope so. The FA couldn't organise the proverbial p up in a brewery. Look at the debarcle that was Wembley.

I shall now be throughing the Docker-p weight behind the Russian bid, although I'm open to bribes.

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-10 was down to the Football League, not the Football Association. When will people understand the basic strcture of football governance in England (I'll accept that you are in Scotland, but surely its the same there with the SPL, the Scottish Football League and the SFA - not Sweet Fanny Adams in this case).

 

There is one common denominator though!! Lord Mal Effin' Whingebag!!!

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It is shocking how many people don't know the difference between the Football Association, Football League and the Premier League. All three are different organizations.

 

This is true, but at least there's some excuse for not seeing the delineation between the FA and the Premier League, given the links between the two and a sizeable amount of joint membership in the early days of the "FA Premier League".

 

To think the FA is responsible for the Football League's -10 deductions is just ignorant, especially when it's only -9 in the Prem anyway. :D

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Erm, who has nothing whatsoever to do with the FA or Premier League, as he resigned from the FA in 2008 : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article4289665.ece

 

I think his point is that Lord Malwhinney is on the board of the England 2018 bid and he is the one on the board responsible of the host city selection and also the Football League Chairman that imposed the -10 on Saints.

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No but he is a high profile member of the 2018 committee!!

 

Yes, but had nothing to do with 2 of the 3 organisations discussed in the mesasage you replied to saying he was the "common denominator" in. Are you telling me Sebastian Coe and Paul Elliott are also part of the FA and Premier League ?

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I think his point is that Lord Malwhinney is on the board of the England 2018 bid and he is the one on the board responsible of the host city selection and also the Football League Chairman that imposed the -10 on Saints.

 

That's not what he said.

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so we all agree?

 

Well you don't! As you think it was the FA that imposed the -10 points on Saints :D

 

As shown here...

 

Th FA can kiss my ass. Thats twice now they've stitched us

 

It wasn't the FA it was the Football League - both are different organizations.

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Yes, but had nothing to do with 2 of the 3 organisations discussed in the mesasage you replied to saying he was the "common denominator" in. Are you telling me Sebastian Coe and Paul Elliott are also part of the FA and Premier League ?

 

No! There's just as much ignorance on here on who is actually leading this Bid. The FA is part of it but it is "England United" which is a conglomerate of the FA the FL, The Government and the regional redevelopment quangos. It isn't the FA that are saying we're too late it is EU and the selection Committee is headed by Lord Mal Whingebag!!!

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Not true

 

Yes it is true.

 

The Football Association looks after football as a whole in England (from the English national team to womans football to grass roots football for kids).

 

The Football League is concerned with the Championship, League One, League Two and them ONLY.

 

Lord Malwhinney is on the board of the Football League not the FA.

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Yes it is true.

 

The Football Association looks after football as a whole in England (from the English national team to womans football to grass roots football for kids).

 

The Football League is concerned with the Championship, League One, League Two and them ONLY.

 

Lord Malwhinney is on the board of the Football League not the FA.

 

Just a wild guess, but if you have a little glance down, I think you'll find some recently planted Glaswegian pulling your pl0nker. Or should that be Willy?

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Despite the big front page echo expose and all the melodrama about the FA/FL/PL, the only people to blame here are the inept and totally uninspiration Southampton City Council. The Bid should have been lodged at the outset. The benefits that we had at out finger tips far out weighed thhe rival bid from down the road, or indeed any of the other bids from citys such as Bristol and Plymouth. we have great infrastructure compared to other citys with good road, rail and more importantly air links. Our stadium still ranks as one of the best in the country and would only have required a relatively small amount of work to increase capacity, and our geographical location is perfect. So why the **** the dweebs that sit in office in the town hall did n't pull there respective fingers out to get an expression on the table is absolutely fascinating.

 

They fail to deliver anything of any inspiration to the city..... apart form an Ikea and then wonder why electoral turn out is so absolutely shocking. You only have to look at todays draw in RSA to see what huge attention is paid to the World Cup and what business and revenue is generated from the event. The amount of attention that would have been on the area as one of the host citys for the first two weeks would have been immense and a reamakable feat.... but it won't happen as they have let us down again.

 

if you want vision and innovation from a council I am affraid you have to look @20 east - they leave are council standing!:mad:

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Why a late bid? We have a decent stadium and are not a million miles from London. I dare to suggest that the Dark Lord would have been camped outside the FA's HQ fighting our cause to host matches!

 

(Awaits flak)

You are probably right. But I suspect our current owners would do likewise but were in no position to do so at the relevant time.

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Why a late bid? We have a decent stadium and are not a million miles from London. I dare to suggest that the Dark Lord would have been camped outside the FA's HQ fighting our cause to host matches!

 

(Awaits flak)

 

We were in administration at the time and in no position for the council to bid and waste the cities money when potentially there could have been no club.

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Despite the big front page echo expose and all the melodrama about the FA/FL/PL, the only people to blame here are the inept and totally uninspiration Southampton City Council. The Bid should have been lodged at the outset. The benefits that we had at out finger tips far out weighed thhe rival bid from down the road, or indeed any of the other bids from citys such as Bristol and Plymouth. we have great infrastructure compared to other citys with good road, rail and more importantly air links. Our stadium still ranks as one of the best in the country and would only have required a relatively small amount of work to increase capacity, and our geographical location is perfect. So why the **** the dweebs that sit in office in the town hall did n't pull there respective fingers out to get an expression on the table is absolutely fascinating.

 

They fail to deliver anything of any inspiration to the city..... apart form an Ikea and then wonder why electoral turn out is so absolutely shocking. You only have to look at todays draw in RSA to see what huge attention is paid to the World Cup and what business and revenue is generated from the event. The amount of attention that would have been on the area as one of the host citys for the first two weeks would have been immense and a reamakable feat.... but it won't happen as they have let us down again.

 

if you want vision and innovation from a council I am affraid you have to look @20 east - they leave are council standing!:mad:

 

Thank god somebody managed to restore some semblance of order on this thread. Couldn't agree more - this is not a football decission, it is a political one taken by the local council. I say taken, because I'm assuming that they did at least debate whether or not to bid.

 

It's pointless blaming any of the footballing authorities, it is out of their hands.

 

Now, back to that ten points - who took them off us...????

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Thank god somebody managed to restore some semblance of order on this thread. Couldn't agree more - this is not a football decission, it is a political one taken by the local council. I say taken, because I'm assuming that they did at least debate whether or not to bid.

 

It's pointless blaming any of the footballing authorities, it is out of their hands.

 

Now, back to that ten points - who took them off us...????

 

Micky,

 

If anything ooooterryhurlock post made the thread worse!

 

Southampton council couldn't bid at the time as the club was in administration and its very future was in the balance. No council it its right mind would back a bid in that situation and risk spending money on a campaign which potentially had no future.

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can I just add to the debate the email sent to me by Cllr Royston Smith in which he claims SCC had no idea about the call out to cities to put forward a bid.

 

" I think everyone needs to know what is involved. We have no idea. I was asked

why we didn't bid. I explained that we were never given the chance and of

course we would have wanted to bid had we known.

 

Sporting events are usually between the FA and the club but this time FIFA

insisted the city made the bid. We didn't bid at that time because we didn't

know and those that did know (South East England Development Agency SEEDA)

chose Portsmouth and Milton Keynes. Portsmouth pulled out because the cost was

too prohibitive for the city. We all want it to come to Southampton but if the

rumours of a $20million price tag are true then I am surprised Portsmouth

suggested they would bid in the first place.

 

I will be talking to Nicola Cortese about what the club want in the coming days.

 

What I would say is we all need to (re) learn to walk before we run. We want

success for Southampton Football Club above all else. If the 2018 World Cup can

be staged in England and a match or two in Southampton so much the better, but

SFC must come first. "

 

It seems to me that either the FA failed in getting the message across or someone at the SCC never checked their inbox. Surely the invite would have gone out to city councils if FIFA demanded citys themselves put forward the bids. How SEEDA got to be the first point of contact for the FA is beyond me.

 

Also, I'm unsure what Mr Smith means when quoting the '$20million price tag'. Is that too big a price for Southampton.

 

Anyway, let's give it one last try by signing this...

 

http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/32597.html

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Micky,

 

If anything ooooterryhurlock post made the thread worse!

 

Southampton council couldn't bid at the time as the club was in administration and its very future was in the balance. No council it its right mind would back a bid in that situation and risk spending money on a campaign which potentially had no future.

 

Regardless of the Club being in administration the bid is with regard to the city hosting matches for a world cup some 9 years away. What was going to happen if the club had folded, would the stadium have just been flattened to the ground? Of course it would n't - The Stadium was always going to be there even if the club had folded..... which was never going to happen by the way! Also the council could have come to the table a lot earlier with an offer to help the club when in its hour of need..... but Royston and his merry band were too busy hunting out the yellow and blue ribbon to open the new Ikea!!

Again there was a Echo front Page to say how the council were looking into ways to help b ut they were just media sound bites before they all disapppeared back into the bunker to discuss lesbian issues and traffic lights... They have let us down massively over this. By the way this company does n't spend money... it just collects it!

 

The stadium is one of the few jewells the city has but the council just counl n't see what a massive missed opportunity this is. I went to Gun Wharf yesterday and walking around it I never fail to be impressed at what PCC delivered there - a shopping environment with vision and class like I said before our council has massively let us down... not just on this but pretty much on everything to do with give the city any hope!

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How could the city put a bid in when it looked like there may not be an SFC?

 

I'm sure they could have expressed an interest dependent on the outcome of administration. And there was always going to be a SFC, all this "cease to exist" stuff is nonsense, since when do clubs the size of Southampton just vanish. Cities like ours Leeds portsmouth etc will ALWAYS have a football club.

 

Even a hasty last minute bid by Southampton would probably win over places like Plymouth and Bristol. Even though it's not a big deal (probably just 180 minutes of football) we've been let down again by the usual short sighted, negative council.

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Micky,

 

If anything ooooterryhurlock post made the thread worse!

 

Southampton council couldn't bid at the time as the club was in administration and its very future was in the balance. No council it its right mind would back a bid in that situation and risk spending money on a campaign which potentially had no future.

 

I'm well aware of that - but what I am saying is that it is a council decission as to whether the WC comes to town.

 

There probably isn't a FC in it's right mind that would not want WC games played on its park - but the fact remains, the decission is borne by money (and infrastructure - I agree) - and the bidding parties will, in the first instance be governmental.

 

Don't forget PFC are out of the running because the council (rightly or wrongly) decided that it did not want to foot the bill.

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Lord Malwhinney met Nicole Cortesse at St Mary's.

 

a recent visit from Lord Mawhinney who met with me personally at St. Mary's and according to his own comments, he has never visited a Chairman away from Wembley.

 

I wonder why he would travel to Southampton for a meeting? Doubt it was just for the fans charter.

 

Lord Malwhinney is the head of the selection committee for the bidding cities for 2018. Maybe all is not lost even now and an improved training ground has changed minds?

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Lord Malwhinney met Nicole Cortesse at St Mary's.

 

 

 

I wonder why he would travel to Southampton for a meeting? Doubt it was just for the fans charter.

 

Lord Malwhinney is the head of the selection committee for the bidding cities for 2018. Maybe all is not lost even now and an improved training ground has changed minds?

 

There is always £he possibili£y that Cor£esse showed him £he benefi£s of having Southamp£on as a venue.

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How could the city put a bid in when it looked like there may not be an SFC?

 

It doesn't appear to have stopped the local authorities in numerous Japanese, South Korean, Portuguese or US venues who didn't have top flight, or in some cases any, football team from having stadia built from scratch to raise their profile internationally.

 

Admittedly there are a few post-tournament white elephants where football clubs haven't taken up residence (Aveiro and the Stade de France spring to mind), but that's still much more of a risk than investing when there's been a football club with at least 15,000 people attending for most of the previous 50 years.

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Hate to be negative but am going to be anyway as I want a few things clearing up.

 

Firstly what exactly would be so fantastic about being a host city in a world cup. What would it actually mean or bring to the average Sotonian? England would not be playing here so I assume the majority of match tickets would go to the FA's of the country's involved in playing here, the rest would be like gold dust to get. So for most it would be having a beer in town and watching it on the telly.

Then there is the presumed increase in capacity. I really can't see where you think we are going to get a regular 40k gate from in 2018, Prem footy or not. I can see the bubble bursting and gates in general being smaller if anything. We rarely had a sell out other than the big 4 a few years ago and I'd rather not have a ground which is nearly always two thirds full. Can't say I'll lose any sleep about the bid failing myself.

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Hate to be negative but am going to be anyway as I want a few things clearing up.

 

Firstly what exactly would be so fantastic about being a host city in a world cup. What would it actually mean or bring to the average Sotonian? England would not be playing here so I assume the majority of match tickets would go to the FA's of the country's involved in playing here, the rest would be like gold dust to get. So for most it would be having a beer in town and watching it on the telly.

Then there is the presumed increase in capacity. I really can't see where you think we are going to get a regular 40k gate from in 2018, Prem footy or not. I can see the bubble bursting and gates in general being smaller if anything. We rarely had a sell out other than the big 4 a few years ago and I'd rather not have a ground which is nearly always two thirds full. Can't say I'll lose any sleep about the bid failing myself.

 

I don't think you're technically being negative here. The capacity issue especially is a good point.

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Then there is the presumed increase in capacity. I really can't see where you think we are going to get a regular 40k gate from in 2018, Prem footy or not. I can see the bubble bursting and gates in general being smaller if anything. We rarely had a sell out other than the big 4 a few years ago and I'd rather not have a ground which is nearly always two thirds full. Can't say I'll lose any sleep about the bid failing myself.

 

You are very wrong here. When in the Premiership Southampton averaged over 30k for EVERY season in a 32k stadium(segregation takes up some aswell).

 

2004-05: 30,610 (The FA Premier League)

2003-04: 31,699 (The FA Premier League)

2002-03: 30,680 (The FA Premier League)

2001-02: 30,633 (The FA Premier League)

 

Saints will need a bigger capacity if Mr Liebherr takes us back to the Premiership. Saints could easily get over 40k for the "big" teams and if doing well 35k for all the rest.

 

Look at the capacity and attendances for the Premiership

 

http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

 

If we want to compete in the Premiership, Saints will need a bigger ground than 32k

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Hate to be negative but am going to be anyway as I want a few things clearing up.

 

Firstly what exactly would be so fantastic about being a host city in a world cup. What would it actually mean or bring to the average Sotonian? England would not be playing here so I assume the majority of match tickets would go to the FA's of the country's involved in playing here, the rest would be like gold dust to get. So for most it would be having a beer in town and watching it on the telly.

Then there is the presumed increase in capacity. I really can't see where you think we are going to get a regular 40k gate from in 2018, Prem footy or not. I can see the bubble bursting and gates in general being smaller if anything. We rarely had a sell out other than the big 4 a few years ago and I'd rather not have a ground which is nearly always two thirds full. Can't say I'll lose any sleep about the bid failing myself.

 

Personally I'm in favour from a number of different perspectives :

 

As a Saints fan, the football club would get a bigger ground on the cheap and having our ground used as a World Cup venue is prestigious, and historically enduring.

 

As a Southampton resident, the City's profile would be raised worldwide and it might invite investment and business that otherwise wouldn't be there.

 

From a footbally supporting perspective there will be thousands of football-loving visitors packing out the bars and clubs, creating the unique atmosphere you only get at World Cups, and a huge outdoor venue for watching other matches on a big screen, which was pretty cool in 2006 at The Common even when it was just for one match.

 

Plus as a 3-time World Cup attendee I'd be booking my tickets a good 2 years before the tournament anyway, and I'd only have to trundle down the road to see a match or 4 (then again I'd be going wherever the matches were, like at Euro '96). Actually not that many tickets go to the competing FAs, it's probably about a third each for fans of the competing teams, official partners/sponsors/other FAs, and worldwide football fans. Difficult to tell exactly as the competing teams' fans always hoover up any spares that were sourced from the other groups.

 

From a tedious geek point of view there is a requirement for a certain number of hotels and a particular level of infrastructure, so there would probably be a bit of road-building and motorway/airport improvement, and if a nation wants a purpose-built training facility (like England have had built in Rustenburg) that might be a possibility too.

 

Not interested in any of that ? There's always "Portsmouth couldn't do it".

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I can't believe that so many people are so short sighted as to the huge benefits that being a host city will bring. Everything the 9 has written above is correct (by the way went to watch the mighty newport county last night!).

 

This City needs something to generate a buzz and being a host city would certainly do that - the 'shoe in' for the rugby world cup does n't count because we are traditionally a football city - the city needs something big, this was the next opportunity... yet again they (the council) have failed to grasp the nettle. it gets added to the list but we need to do something to get this place back on the map!

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