Johnny Shearer Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Hey what? This topic again but in a slightly varied form. You could look at it in a real perverse manner and say that Lowe actually helped us a bit. Follow the logic: Lowe brings us into administration. We're done for. Out come all the bids. We end up with a smart CEO/CM and a billionaire owner. And a decent manager - with the exception of his time at Charlton. So Lowe is my hero.
WealdSaint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Rupert Lowe is now relagated to history as far as the club is concerned. The Dark Lord Duckhunter will NOT return a third time!
70's Mike Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Been very busy at work so have not been on site much recently, logged in today saw the name LOWE and thought i was in a time warp. Have noticed a few MISSING posters since Rupes demise and financial stability
benjii Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Anyone with any sense new Scooby was on a wind-up from the start. Many people knew he did the same thing on 6-0-6. Unfortunately the Mods couldn't quite work it out. Either that or they thought he was funny. He was quite funny.
JackFrost Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Anyone with any sense new Scooby was on a wind-up from the start. Many people knew he did the same thing on 6-0-6. Unfortunately the Mods couldn't quite work it out. Either that or they thought he was funny. He was quite funny. Especially when people tried to argue with him
Gemmel Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Been very busy at work so have not been on site much recently, logged in today saw the name LOWE and thought i was in a time warp. Have noticed a few MISSING posters since Rupes demise and financial stability And quite true. A number of his supporters stopped posting after his initial demise, were quick to return, when he did and now...............nothing. Quite bizarre :confused:
View From The Top Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 And quite true. A number of his supporters stopped posting after his initial demise, were quick to return, when he did and now...............nothing. Quite bizarre :confused: Jonah springs to mind. He was always keen to tell us what a canny businessman Lowe was.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Jonah springs to mind. He was always keen to tell us what a canny businessman Lowe was. I think his point was that we had to live within our means when many supporters were complaining that we were not spending shedloads of money. In hindsight I would say Jonah had a point, wouldn't you?
View From The Top Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I think his point was that we had to live within our means when many supporters were complaining that we were not spending shedloads of money. In hindsight I would say Jonah had a point, wouldn't you? Yeah, right, of course that's all he said.
dune Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 And quite true. A number of his supporters stopped posting after his initial demise, were quick to return, when he did and now...............nothing. Quite bizarre :confused: Real life Lowe supporters always were like rocking horse sh*t. A few weirdos/plants on a internet messageboard always was the extent of support for that vile creature of a man.
Gemmel Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I think his point was that we had to live within our means when many supporters were complaining that we were not spending shedloads of money. In hindsight I would say Jonah had a point, wouldn't you? Quite..... Which is exactly what lowe didnt do :rolleyes: ....hence bounced cheques and administration
trousers Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=80497#post80497 See post 124 on this thread for Scooby in his full glory. Not forgetting this one of course....
alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 And quite true. A number of his supporters stopped posting after his initial demise, were quick to return, when he did and now...............nothing. Quite bizarre :confused: Indeed. Jonah has completely disappeared, and visits from Guided Missile and Saint Richard of Woolston have definitely decreased dramatically too.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Yeah, right, of course that's all he said. No it is not all he said but it is the basic premise. As it turned out it was right as the minute the Wilde Bunch rode into town and blew the cash it was all downhill to administration in pretty quick time. As for the rolly eyes things, my young daughters love those things but that is about the age group they work for.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Indeed. Jonah has completely disappeared, and visits from Guided Missile and Saint Richard of Woolston have definitely decreased dramatically too. Neither of whom were Lowe supporters, so what is your point???
alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 No it is not all he said but it is the basic premise. As it turned out it was right as the minute the Wilde Bunch rode into town and blew the cash it was all downhill to administration in pretty quick time. And a renaissance for the club under a billionare owner.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Thankyou Wilde bunch for ridding us of Lowe and his marginal subsistence..
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Quite..... Which is exactly what lowe didnt do :rolleyes: ....hence bounced cheques and administration You seem to be forgetting a group of people who came along and splashed £7m quid that we obviously could ill afford. But don't let that spoil your arguement.
docker-p Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I'm sorry that you didn't go to the Cup final or that you have never set foot in SMS! Yeah thank god for Southampton City Council for giving us SMS. Pity that tosser Lowe didn't invest in the Squad when WGS asked for it after the 2003 cup final. hey-ho.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 And a renaissance for the club under a billionare owner.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Thankyou Wilde bunch for ridding us of Lowe and his marginal subsistence.. Ah I see, so that was all a part of the Wilde plan was it? To get Lowe out, spend the cash, let him back in and have us at the very brink of extinction? Rapidly followed by a near takeover by another potless/clueless outfit. Brilliant.
alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Neither of whom were Lowe supporters, so what is your point??? Not Lowe supporters in the way you werent a Lowe supporter either, I take it...:rolleyes:
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Yeah thank god for Southampton City Council for giving us SMS. Pity that tosser Lowe didn't invest in the Squad when WGS asked for it after the 2003 cup final. hey-ho. WGS spent plenty of cash (McCann and others) and presided over an average but very large squad. You are upset because he wasn't allowed to spend £10m on 2 players. In what universe have SFC ever had that kind of money to spend on 2 players? Even if LOwe had not been here it is hard to see how that type of expenditure would have happened.
alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Ah I see, so that was all a part of the Wilde plan was it? To get Lowe out, spend the cash, let him back in and have us at the very brink of extinction? Rapidly followed by a near takeover by another potless/clueless outfit. Brilliant. Couldnt give a sh*t if it was the plan or not. Simple fact is, this club is in a much better state following administration and Lowe's humiliiation than it ever was following Lowe's aunty Prudence. A fact you cannot handle, it seems.........
Johnny Shearer Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Couldnt give a sh*t if it was the plan or not. Simple fact is, this club is in a much better state following administration and Lowe's humiliiation than it ever was following Lowe's aunty Prudence. A fact you cannot handle, it seems......... Really? I wouldn't say ever.
docker-p Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 WGS spent plenty of cash (McCann and others) and presided over an average but very large squad. You are upset because he wasn't allowed to spend £10m on 2 players. In what universe have SFC ever had that kind of money to spend on 2 players? Even if LOwe had not been here it is hard to see how that type of expenditure would have happened. An average squad that delivered way above average results for us. Just why WGS should have been trusted. That 10m, when set against the millions we lost by first one than two relegations, is small change.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Not Lowe supporters in the way you werent a Lowe supporter either, I take it...:rolleyes: You really are completly clueless aren't you? You take the whole level of debate to new lows every time you appear. I will try one more time, to see if you can grasp this point. I shall also type very slowly so that you can follow me. Are you ready? J u s t b e c a u s e s o m e o n e d o e s n' t s l a g s o m e o n e o f f e v e r y p o s t i t d o e s n' t m e a n t h a t t h e y a g r e e w i t h e v e r y t h i n g t h e y d o. Get it yet?
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Couldnt give a sh*t if it was the plan or not. Simple fact is, this club is in a much better state following administration and Lowe's humiliiation than it ever was following Lowe's aunty Prudence. A fact you cannot handle, it seems......... I can handle it thanks. But I am also not blind to the fact that we are currently, in December, just above the relegation spots in the 3rd tier of English football. Isn't life wonderful down here?
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 An average squad that delivered way above average results for us. Just why WGS should have been trusted. That 10m, when set against the millions we lost by first one than two relegations, is small change. It is not a question of trust it is a question of finances. As Leeds and we have found out. There is no guarantee that £10m would have made any difference to our plight. Afteral we went down with players like Crouch and Phillips on board and several others who are still playing Prem football. We couldn't afford that money, let alone the wages, for two players.
hypochondriac Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Indeed. Jonah has completely disappeared, and visits from Guided Missile and Saint Richard of Woolston have definitely decreased dramatically too. Pathetic. They weren't PR plants and you know it.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Pathetic. They weren't PR plants and you know it. Of course they weren't. I have met them both and the only "problem" they have is that try and hold a balanced view. Neither in my view were what Alpine would call a "Luvvie" but both were bright enough to see the shades of grey. In Alpine's world everything is in black and white. When he grows up, like most teenagers, he will see that the world really is not that simple. If you were to go back and read Jonah's post he was 95% right and totally spot on about Wilde, But of course that makes him a "Luvvie" and everything he says was rubbish.
Johnny Shearer Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 The thing is the Club is a topic that few would remain balanced about considering what has happened over the last few years.
hypochondriac Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Jonah and GM were two of the best posters on here. GM especially was the wittiest person here.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 The thing is the Club is a topic that few would remain balanced about considering what has happened over the last few years. I agree. But it is not just about the last few years. Those with agendas just stick to the things that back up their arguements. They told us we should be like Charlton. Where are they now? Where are Leeds, Norwich? Look at the bigger picture and it is not all about one man. It is about running a football club within its means. Even if you do, as other clubs have found to their cost, it is not guarantee of success. But money rules and if you are not very very careful about how you spend what you have, you can find yourself coming unstuck very rapidly.
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Jonah and GM were two of the best posters on here. GM especially was the wittiest person here. They certainly raised the bar when it came to an interesting thread and GM still does the odd post. Those from Jonah are rarer than Benali's goals but I'd like to think that he still reads this forum from time to time. He may have ruffled a few feathers but at least he spoke some common sense. Sadly though they are pushed out by the black and white brigade who think that the answer is to find "hate" objects and to rubbish them at every available opportunity. Peter Gabriel wrote a great song about these people, "Not One Of Us." Those who feel stronger by ganging together and excluding others..bit like the BNP. By labelling people "Lowe Luvvies" if they didn't become part of the lynch mob that is exactly what they were trying to do.
Johnny Shearer Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Its too easy though to focus on one person for the cause of all our problems.
RinNY Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 It is not a question of trust it is a question of finances. As Leeds and we have found out. There is no guarantee that £10m would have made any difference to our plight. Afteral we went down with players like Crouch and Phillips on board and several others who are still playing Prem football. We couldn't afford that money, let alone the wages, for two players. Indeed, we went down with players still successfully playing Prem football: not just Crouch and Phillips, but Beattie (for half the season anyway), Delap, Higginbotham, Baird, Niemi, Camara, Davenport (or would be if he hadn't gotten stabbed), and probably a few others I don't recall just now. It's depressing to see a team like Stoke doing so well with no less that four former Saints (Fuller as well as Beattie, Delap, & Higgy). There was nothing wrong with our squad as such, clearly. It was the Sturrock fiasco, the utter lack of leadership from Wigley, and the rather half-heated effort of Redknapp that brought a perfectly adequate squad down. That said, why on earth are folks still moaning on about Lowe?? It's in the past, ffs: can't we leave it there?
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Ah, but that works for a lot of people. Did Lowe make mistakes? Yes of course he did. Which makes him exactly the same as everyone who has ever drawn breath on this planet. Except for Alpine of course
Gemmel Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 You seem to be forgetting a group of people who came along and splashed £7m quid that we obviously could ill afford. But don't let that spoil your arguement. My argument was that lowe as Chairman, CEO or whatever, wrote cheques he couldn't cover, after being told not to. My theory is that he played chicken with Barclays, as in not believing they would do anything.....................But that's all it is a theory. The facts however are quite simple, don't go over this amount ....but he did, hence bounced cheques and administration. Maybe his calculator was broken that day, may his calucaltor was broken when he had to write to creditors of R F Webb and beg them not to put them into administration. May be his calculator was broken when he posted the continious losses for 3 quarters, for WH Ireland and their share price dropped by nearly half in his first 9 months as Chairman......may be he doesn't have a calculator, or maybe he's just not very good
Fan The Flames Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Ahh this thread has made me nostalgic for the good fight, I see the old lowe lie mongerers are at and the soldiers of truth are still standing still, ahh they were the days when the we battled for the future of our beloved club and the good won out. Talking of old posters anyone remember Orange Bud, lively little poster.
mac Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 woke up in Perth Western Australia started reading the local paper only to see that muppet spread across the financial pages, something about buying a buisness in Perth just about put me off my cornflakes.
CB Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 I can handle it thanks. But I am also not blind to the fact that we are currently, in December, just above the relegation spots in the 3rd tier of English football. Isn't life wonderful down here? It's certainty better than what we were facing six months ago. On an up side, I am actually enjoying my football again - something that has been missing for a considerable time.
70's Mike Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Never really disagrred with Jonah's principle about living within your means, the majority just disagreed with how Lowe chose to spend the little we had
jam Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Never really disagrred with Jonah's principle about living within your means' date=' the majority just disagreed with how Lowe chose to spend the little we had[/quote'] Are you thinking of Delap and Delgado, SCW or something else?
Alain Perrin Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 May be his calculator was broken when he posted the continious losses for 3 quarters, for WH Ireland and their share price dropped by nearly half in his first 9 months as Chairman Hmmm, maybe he was responsible the global financial crisis - maybe not. I think this is SOG's point. Lowe gets/got blamed for far more than he was responsible and in response some of the 'luvvies' responded by crediting him for more than he was ever responsible for. I am a 'luvvie' or what I would prefer to call a realist. I don't think Lowe was the anti-christ, nor do I think he was Jesus Christ. I'm posting less because the Lowe debate/subscription charge killed this board. 90% of posts were about that, not about football and the posters like me who were football first (hmm, nice slogan!), politics second lost the will to live/post. Hence why there are fewer posters/posts on here than there ever were.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Nothing Lowe would like more than to still be talked about. He's a nobody now. Forget him.
Viking Warrior Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 clearly some people just cannot move on if its not slagging a player off then its back to the old chestnut called lowe While we are on the subject I notice Wilde , crouch and mcmenemy seem to have failed to turn up for games. And theres me thinking crouch was Mr Southampton FC please mods can we not close this thread after all it is the season of goodwill to all men!
alpine_saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Pathetic. They weren't PR plants and you know it. Pray do tell where I accused them of being PR plants. I accused them of not being around since their Messiah was ousted. Completely different.
alpine_saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 It's certainty better than what we were facing six months ago. On an up side, I am actually enjoying my football again - something that has been missing for a considerable time. Something SOGGY cannot grasp since he never goes. SOGGY never comments on the team or the matches, I notice. All he does is come on here to support his agenda or the personalities behind it, and to stalk people like me that are most outspoken about his agenda. If people question my support of SFC, I'd hate to think what they feel about SOGGYs "support". At least I am interested in the team, not just the politics.
alpine_saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Its too easy though to focus on one person for the cause of all our problems. I agree. Lowe blew it, Burley aggravated it.
saintjay77 Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Never really disagrred with Jonah's principle about living within your means' date=' the majority just disagreed with how Lowe chose to spend the little we had[/quote'] Thats probably the best reasonable sumery I have seen on here. I think the choices back then were: Spend within our means but badly, Lowe Promises of spending big but doing nothing, Wilde Spend what we dont have all over the place, Crouch None were ever going to be succesful and I only preferd the top option as it would have been the best chance of staying out of admin. As its turned out admin hs helped us out but it was a close call and im not sure if the same situation was presented to us I would be happy about taking the chance again. But the past is the past and we are on the up so surly is time to stop arguing about things we will never all agree on? I dont post as much any more because im on 3 a day as im tight and cant get into much banter with 3 posts. lol
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