Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Have not been to the games since he has apparantly started to decline a little in his match performances. Although i am not in a position to comment on the way he has been playing, if reports are to be believed he seems a little more lethargic etc than usual. I was wondering, i know that he was ill for a few games but he has probably got over that now. AP has worked hard with rickie on his fitness which has been very much publicised, so as much as it has obviously paid off do you think that it has started to have a bit of a negative effect ?? I mean he has played every game as far as i can remember, rarely gets subbed off and if he is working hard in the gym, he may be becoming jaded ?? Any thoughts ??
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 He can have a rest on the next FA cup weekend. Sorry to say that we need him in every game apart from that.
benjii Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 We must be intending to sign another striker in January. It's unrealistic to expect him to play every minute of every match and we don't have anyone else who plays his role.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 Pittman ?? I can't see paterson as being here a lot longer TBH
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Paterson is only 19. We still have that Donnelly on trial, don't forget.
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 He looked absolutely knackered in the last 10 minutes last night. Maybe it was the after-effects of the virus or maybe he just needs to get a bit fitter.
Blandford saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 (edited) It's really hard playing the target man week in week out in this league. Pitches have been very heavy lately, bucketing down with rain, swirling wind, and being continually whacked by a 6ft 3" central defender - I'm prepared to cut him some slack. And don't forget - he's still scoring. Edited 2 December, 2009 by Blandford saint spelling mistake
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 I am not slagging him of, just trying to understand the reasons why thats all
richie Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 who's saying his performance's have dropped? Some of the fans? Yeah the people who have never paid professional football! The guy is scoring bucket loads of goals what else is there to debate.
saint simes Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Well, at the risk of sounding controversial, I think lambert was no where near his best last night and should of been subbed near the end, he looked knackered! Maybe he needs a rest?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Isn't this thread an exact duplicate of the 'Money Well Spent' thread which the originator of this pointless thread was already posting on? Other than the change in title why start another thread?
OldNick Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 I assume that we would be better off with Saga playing in his place . Lol
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Are any of you lot on here the guy who sits in about Row T and just shouts "Come on Bialkowski", "Come on Lambert", "Come on Hammond" etc all game long, even when they've done nothing wrong?
forever a red and white Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Lambert is improving as a player all round and getting fitter. Don't forget he does and awful lot of running and playing the lone striker role can be very challenging when u have two defenders occupying you. He is scoring and creating can;t complain about that. He is doing his job just fine, don;t forget we are in league 1 and have league 1 quality players, lambert is championship at best, don;t expect miracles, he is doing more than enough already
The Cat Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Could be that Lambert is being told to pace himself more in recent games due to his large workload up front alone.
Pilchards Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 I can reveal he is carrying a broken right leg and a pulled left calf, Imagine where he would be in the scoring charts if he was fit?
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 Hold on a minute, can i just say i am in no way slagging the man off ffs, i am just saying many have said he has dipped slightly. I am not saying we should drop him as he is imo our best performer currently. We need him in order for the team to function as he holds the ball up, scores goals, disrupts defences and lays on assists. All i am saying is that many have said he is looking lethargic. Could this be because of his virus or because he is perhaps training too hard ?? Many of the most fit players need a rest occasionally. I am saying can we get away with resting him for a game or two to ensure he does not become completely jaded ?? FFS some people can't wait to jump on other posters backs are they ??
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 Isn't this thread an exact duplicate of the 'Money Well Spent' thread which the originator of this pointless thread was already posting on? Other than the change in title why start another thread? Cheers for another insightful post, it is actually different to the other thread, this is not a slagging off Lambert thread.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 I assume that we would be better off with Saga playing in his place . Lol Are any of you lot on here the guy who sits in about Row T and just shouts "Come on Bialkowski", "Come on Lambert", "Come on Hammond" etc all game long, even when they've done nothing wrong? FFS, try reading what i have said before jumping down my throat
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Cheers for another insightful post, it is actually different to the other thread, this is not a slagging off Lambert thread. Come on be fair he didnt` bring up MLT or LM so its a step in the right direction and a big step for him,we must be grateful for small mercies.
Saint_clark Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 SS, I wasn't implying anything about you at all - I agree with you FWIW, I just didn't know what better place to put the question.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 SS, I wasn't implying anything about you at all - I agree with you FWIW, I just didn't know what better place to put the question. Ok, fair point sorry
Rod Le Shearer Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 I really dont get this fuss about Lambert not being up to his usual self. He scored yesterday,he set up 2 goals,scored 1 at Hartlepool,he set up one magnificent goal at Northampton,and he set up one goal at norwich ! and these are the last matches were you lot are saying he has underperfomed ?! with those kind of contributions,I couldnt care less if he spent the rest of the games wiping his arse on the corner flag,FFS. maybe,just maybe,he has got that little bit of intuition-he knows when he can create a goal or score,and focuses most of his energy & concentration into those moments ? I dont think we can demand anything more than what he has contributed with over the last matches. and,without further comparison,there wasnt so long ago we had another number 7 who preserved his energy for most of the match,only to let it burst out in THOSE decisive moments
Nadia Sllim Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Lambert wil sign for Hull (or a like) in May!l
jam Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 I really dont get this fuss about Lambert not being up to his usual self. He scored yesterday,he set up 2 goals,scored 1 at Hartlepool,he set up one magnificent goal at Northampton,and he set up one goal at norwich ! and these are the last matches were you lot are saying he has underperfomed ?! with those kind of contributions,I couldnt care less if he spent the rest of the games wiping his arse on the corner flag,FFS. maybe,just maybe,he has got that little bit of intuition-he knows when he can create a goal or score,and focuses most of his energy & concentration into those moments ? I dont think we can demand anything more than what he has contributed with over the last matches. and,without further comparison,there wasnt so long ago we had another number 7 who preserved his energy for most of the match,only to let it burst out in THOSE decisive moments I think it's the 'player comes in and is on fire' the is only 'very good' for a couple of games by which point people have an unrealistic expectation.
krissyboy31 Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 [size=+1][b]Player Club TOTAL [color=red]Richard Lambert Southampton 13[/color][/b][/size] Jermaine Beckford Leeds United 12 Grant Holt Norwich City 12 Lee Barnard Southend 12 Nicky Forster Brighton 9 Deon Burton Charlton 9 Kevin Lisbie Colchester 9 Simeon Jackson Gillingham 9 Jordan Rhodes Huddersfield 9 Jermaine Easter MK Dons 9 [b][color=red]Adam Lallana Southampton 9[/b][/color] Enough said!!
Bourno Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Are any of you lot on here the guy who sits in about Row T and just shouts "Come on Bialkowski", "Come on Lambert", "Come on Hammond" etc all game long, even when they've done nothing wrong? Row T, which block/stand?
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Have not been to the games since he has apparantly started to decline a little in his match performances. Although i am not in a position to comment on the way he has been playing, if reports are to be believed he seems a little more lethargic etc than usual. I was wondering, i know that he was ill for a few games but he has probably got over that now. AP has worked hard with rickie on his fitness which has been very much publicised, so as much as it has obviously paid off do you think that it has started to have a bit of a negative effect ?? I mean he has played every game as far as i can remember, rarely gets subbed off and if he is working hard in the gym, he may be becoming jaded ?? Any thoughts ?? He's the leagues top scorer? he scored last night? whats the problem ffs???
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 He's the leagues top scorer? he scored last night? whats the problem ffs??? Sigh
St Landrew Posted 2 December, 2009 Posted 2 December, 2009 Have not been to the games since he has apparantly started to decline a little in his match performances. Although i am not in a position to comment on the way he has been playing, if reports are to be believed he seems a little more lethargic etc than usual. I was wondering, i know that he was ill for a few games but he has probably got over that now. AP has worked hard with rickie on his fitness which has been very much publicised, so as much as it has obviously paid off do you think that it has started to have a bit of a negative effect ?? I mean he has played every game as far as i can remember, rarely gets subbed off and if he is working hard in the gym, he may be becoming jaded ?? Any thoughts ?? FWIW, I think you make a valid point. I still think he has almost certainly been an asset, in every Saints side so far, this season. But there may come a time when Pardew might suggest Ricky sits this one out, or is subbed, just to save on his wear and tear. Everybody's form and fitness goes up and down and Lambert was on fire up until just a short time ago. Now he is an accomplished striker and assist merchant [what is the correct term..?], able to chip in with a goal practically every game, and/or provide for others. In which case, he can't be rested, just yet. But by his standards, the fire has died down slightly.
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2009 Author Posted 2 December, 2009 FWIW, I think you make a valid point. I still think he has almost certainly been an asset, in every Saints side so far, this season. But there may come a time when Pardew might suggest Ricky sits this one out, or is subbed, just to save on his wear and tear. Everybody's form and fitness goes up and down and Lambert was on fire up until just a short time ago. Now he is an accomplished striker and assist merchant [what is the correct term..?], able to chip in with a goal practically every game, and/or provide for others. In which case, he can't be rested, just yet. But by his standards, the fire has died down slightly. Thanks St Landrew, at least you understood my point !! I am not saying he is bad or anthing like that, just that by all reports he has dipped in his workrate a little. Would he still be the first name on my team sheet..........yes, he gives countless assists and goals. Just don't want to see him out of the team for a longer period due to overuse injuries.
alpine_saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I assume that we would be better off with Saga playing in his place . Lol Your vendetta against Saga is as tiresome as it is pathetic.
madsent Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Isn't this thread an exact duplicate of the 'Money Well Spent' thread which the originator of this pointless thread was already posting on? Other than the change in title why start another thread? Cheers for another insightful post, it is actually different to the other thread, this is not a slagging off Lambert thread. Lets hope it doesn't degenerate into one of the regular Nineteen Canteen slagging off threads.
saintchris23 Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Isn't this thread an exact duplicate of the 'Money Well Spent' thread which the originator of this pointless thread was already posting on? Other than the change in title why start another thread? Remids me of the way the old guard would re-invent the Soul Cellar thread. Or at least that's what it seemed like
OldNick Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Your vendetta against Saga is as tiresome as it is pathetic. No vendetta but I personally am happier to have the clubs resources and the fans admiration go towards players who actually are worth their place. Tell me who would replace Lambert at present if he was unavailable on tueswday night? Conelly was injured and so Saga was the next in line for that position. No contest IMO
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Author Posted 3 December, 2009 No vendetta but I personally am happier to have the clubs resources and the fans admiration go towards players who actually are worth their place. Tell me who would replace Lambert at present if he was unavailable on tueswday night? Conelly was injured and so Saga was the next in line for that position. No contest IMO I don't know at the moment, playing Saga instead if Lambert would mean that we would have to change the way that we play, a way in which the team has become used to and seems to be working. Saga is not a target man, the last time i saw him play he really didn't look much cop at all really. We could do with a backup replacement, i have heard this donnelly fella is a simalar build height ??
SuperSAINT Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 [size=+1][b]Player Club TOTAL [color=red]Richard Lambert Southampton 13[/color][/b][/size] Jermaine Beckford Leeds United 12 Grant Holt Norwich City 12 Lee Barnard Southend 12 Nicky Forster Brighton 9 Deon Burton Charlton 9 Kevin Lisbie Colchester 9 Simeon Jackson Gillingham 9 Jordan Rhodes Huddersfield 9 Jermaine Easter MK Dons 9 [b][color=red]Adam Lallana Southampton 9[/b][/color] Enough said!! I saw that the other day. It's quite incredible to think that Lallana has scored as many goals as some of the league's best strikers, from midfield.
OldNick Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I don't know at the moment, playing Saga instead if Lambert would mean that we would have to change the way that we play, a way in which the team has become used to and seems to be working. Saga is not a target man, the last time i saw him play he really didn't look much cop at all really. We could do with a backup replacement, i have heard this donnelly fella is a simalar build height ?? Lambert is a very important player, it has concerned me what would happen if he got injured. Hammond and Lambert have been superb signings
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 No vendetta but I personally am happier to have the clubs resources and the fans admiration go towards players who actually are worth their place. Tell me who would replace Lambert at present if he was unavailable on tueswday night? Conelly was injured and so Saga was the next in line for that position. No contest IMO But Saga is injured as well. Tuesday night demonstrated clearly our weak area, we have little cover for Lambert. Connolly is injury prone, Saga is injured and not in the plans, so we have no real cover (Papa and Pato I guess)
benjii Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 I really dont get this fuss about Lambert not being up to his usual self. He scored yesterday,he set up 2 goals,scored 1 at Hartlepool,he set up one magnificent goal at Northampton,and he set up one goal at norwich ! and these are the last matches were you lot are saying he has underperfomed ?! with those kind of contributions,I couldnt care less if he spent the rest of the games wiping his arse on the corner flag,FFS. maybe,just maybe,he has got that little bit of intuition-he knows when he can create a goal or score,and focuses most of his energy & concentration into those moments ? I dont think we can demand anything more than what he has contributed with over the last matches. and,without further comparison,there wasnt so long ago we had another number 7 who preserved his energy for most of the match,only to let it burst out in THOSE decisive moments I agree with that. In fact it is more in homage to what he's done that we need to sign another striker as if he gets injured we're in trouble (or at least we will have a completely boring second half to the season)!
Village Saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 who's saying his performance's have dropped? Some of the fans? Yeah the people who have never paid professional football! The guy is scoring bucket loads of goals what else is there to debate. Its always the same on here. God knows what he would have to do to be seen as playing well. He can't stop scoring and makes nearly every other goal we score. And he pops on the edge of our box defending when he's really needed. Mind you he hasn't turned water into wine for a couple of games..........
toofarnorth Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 He's the leagues top scorer? he scored last night? whats the problem ffs??? Well it never stopped people moaning about Rasiak.
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 who's saying his performance's have dropped? Some of the fans? Yeah the people who have never paid professional football! The guy is scoring bucket loads of goals what else is there to debate. I have come a lot closer to playing professional football than I have space travel, but I can still tell you that the Space Shuttle Challenger wasn't performing at its best when it blew up in 1986. You'll also find people in professional football who swear the likes of Titus Bramble and Calum Davenport (too soon?) are decent defenders, and some of the best internationals have made the worst judges of other players. Bobby Charlton, Maradona and Bobby Moore are springing to mind in that category. Just because he's scoring goals doesn't mean he couldn't be scoring more goals, and it doesn't take a trained eye to see that Lambert's not running around as much as at the start of the season. He might be ill, he might be unfit, he might have been told to be a target man and not chase back, or get into wide positions (of which I'm glad, as it winds me up when he's crossing in the air to Connolly). That's the bit we don't know.
Saints foreva Posted 3 December, 2009 Posted 3 December, 2009 Lambert wil sign for Hull (or a like) in May!l Well Hull have no money and will face a meltdown once they get relegated this season..
Alain Perrin Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 I wonder how Jan Portvliet would have done if we'd had someone like Rickie up front? In the early days of his tenure we seemed to create lots of chances, but lacked the fire power to put it away. There still would have been problems in the team (muscle in defence), but it could have made the difference between promotion and relegation.
Give it to Ron Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 I wonder how Jan Portvliet would have done if we'd had someone like Rickie up front? In the early days of his tenure we seemed to create lots of chances, but lacked the fire power to put it away. There still would have been problems in the team (muscle in defence), but it could have made the difference between promotion and relegation. He would of played him left wing.
Greenridge Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 I wonder how Jan Portvliet would have done if we'd had someone like Rickie up front? In the early days of his tenure we seemed to create lots of chances, but lacked the fire power to put it away. There still would have been problems in the team (muscle in defence), but it could have made the difference between promotion and relegation. Lamberts good but not that good.
Alain Perrin Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 Lamberts good but not that good. Sorry! I meant "staying in the league"
Andy_Porter Posted 4 December, 2009 Posted 4 December, 2009 I wonder how Jan Portvliet would have done if we'd had someone like Rickie up front? In the early days of his tenure we seemed to create lots of chances, but lacked the fire power to put it away. There still would have been problems in the team (muscle in defence), but it could have made the difference between promotion and relegation. Probably wouldn't have been allowed to play him!
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