Last 13 Games

[Saint_clark]

OK, here is the response some people seem to want from others;

Oh my god....you're right! We DREW that game with Torquay! FFS...delete this thread, that list embarrasses me now...jesus, we're going down on this current form. 9 wins, 3 draws and a defeat in the last 13? God I feel like crying.

[Pancake]

No, a league game is over 90 minutes.

 

No-one is saying that its not. The fixture in question was a cup tie, not a league game.

[St Will]

OK, here is the response some people seem to want from others;

Oh my god....you're right! We DREW that game with Torquay! FFS...delete this thread, that list embarrasses me now...jesus, we're going down on this current form. 9 wins, 3 draws and a defeat in the last 13? God I feel like crying.

 

Lol I find it amusing that even in good times some people will clutch to the tiniest things to have a moan about something. It's very sad.

 

You're totally right saint_clark

[Pancake]

Its nout to do with moaning, some people just get irked by others not using the correct terminology and therefore confusing themselves.

[St Will]

No-one is saying that its not. The fixture in question was a cup tie, not a league game.

 

So why are people questioning the legitimacy of the list and making a do about how it was only a draw? I mean crikey, we're still in the cup that that game was played in, does it really matter it took longer than 90 minutes?

[St Will]

Its nout to do with moaning, some people just get irked by others not using the correct terminology and therefore confusing themselves.

 

Hang on I'll just go to the Johnstones Paint trophy website....oh yeah, it says we won.

[Pancake]

So why are people questioning the legitimacy of the list and making a do about how it was only a draw? I mean crikey, we're still in the cup that that game was played in, does it really matter it took longer than 90 minutes?

 

Ive never said a single thing about the list, I don't care about the list to be honest. What I do care about is people incorrect lauding it over others who (rightly) believe we drew the GAME against Torquay. But if you want to carry on using the incorrect terminology and making yourself look a tiny bit silly, then go ahead.

[Saint_clark]

I understand where you're coming from Pancake, but I find the people who have a s****** and say "we drew the GAME" even more silly than those who say we won it.

Someone asked me after the Torquay match if we had won or not - I did NOT say "Hold on - you mean the game or the cup tie?".

 

Edit - sort this swear filter out, I can't even say sn.igger

[Pancake]

Hang on I'll just go to the Johnstones Paint trophy website....oh yeah, it says we won.

 

The Johnsons Paint Trophy Tie.

[St Will]

Ive never said a single thing about the list, I don't care about the list to be honest. What I do care about is people incorrect lauding it over others who (rightly) believe we drew the GAME against Torquay. But if you want to carry on using the incorrect terminology and making yourself look a tiny bit silly, then go ahead.

 

You're making yourself look silly because you're being pedantic over something that really is a non issue. To progress in a cup competition you have to win.

 

I don't care if you're a moderator. You're wrong.

[Saint_clark]

The Johnsons Paint Trophy Tie.

 

You've made yourself look a bit silly here.

[merrimd]

After extra time, the game was not drawn, the scores were level. A draw would indicate the final outcome of the game. The final outcome of this game was a Win for Saints, determined by the taking of penalty kicks. Therefore, the result was a win, whoopdedoo.

 

(last years rules but I am sure they are the same)

14.4 In the event of scores being level: -

14.4.1 at the end of ninety minutes’ play in all rounds apart from the Final; and

14.4.2 after the conclusion of the two legs in each Area Final,

the winner shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with the Laws of Association Football.

[Saint_clark]

After extra time, the game was not drawn, the scores were level. A draw would indicate the final outcome of the game. The final outcome of this game was a Win for Saints, determined by the taking of penalty kicks. Therefore, the result was a win, whoopdedoo.

 

(last years rules but I am sure they are the same)

14.4 In the event of scores being level: -

14.4.1 at the end of ninety minutes’ play in all rounds apart from the Final; and

14.4.2 after the conclusion of the two legs in each Area Final,

the winner shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with the Laws of Association Football.

 

Indeed.

The winner shall be determined.

[St Will]

Exactly as Saint_Clark said, if someone asked you, Pancake, if we beat Torquay, would you have asked "the game or the tie?"? If you would have asked that, you're a goon. Cuz anyone else would have said yes, we won. Or yes, we won on penalties. Note how the word WON would have been used each time.

[Pancake]

I understand where you're coming from Pancake, but I find the people who have a s****** and say "we drew the GAME" even more silly than those who say we won it.

Someone asked me after the Torquay match if we had won or not - I did NOT say "Hold on - you mean the game or the cup tie?".

 

Edit - sort this swear filter out, I can't even say sn.igger

 

Totally agree.

 

Same would be said for the play off game at Derby. We won that game, but lost the Play off tie on penalties.

[Pancake]

You've made yourself look a bit silly here.

 

It happens rather often.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Let me answer with a question.

 

Little Jonny placed a £5 bet on Saints to WIN. Did the bookies pay out after the Torquay 'win'?

 

The answer: Little Jonny lost his £5 and he was sad.

 

Case closed.

[CB Fry]

Exactly as Saint_Clark said, if someone asked you, Pancake, if we beat Torquay, would you have asked "the game or the tie?"? If you would have asked that, you're a goon. Cuz anyone else would have said yes, we won. Or yes, we won on penalties. Note how the word WON would have been used each time.

 

 

 

Of course you would say in the pub "we won on penalties". But then saying "we won on penalties" is itself saying "we drew the match" because one thing leads to another.

 

And quite often in the pub people might say "we got through on penalties" but no-one ever says "we got through 2-1", they'd say "we won two-one". Like it or not the word "won" is used less when penalties are involved.

 

And, goals scored in Penalty shootouts don't count to season or career goals tallies. Because they don't take place in the match officially, just in the device used to settle a tie. It's also why the final score wasn't 7-3 or whatever. It was 2-2, then the penalty tally.

 

With Torquay, we drew the match, we won the tie.

 

Pretty simple and people picking Pancake up on that are a tiny bit dim I'm afraid.

Edited 2 December, 2009 by CB Fry

[Hatch]

2-2 is a draw in my book.

[Thedelldays]

2-2 = draw..

 

penalties was used after the alloted time as a way to settle the tie

[John B]

Of course you would say in the pub "we won on penalties". But then saying "we won on penalties" is itself saying "we drew the match" because one thing leads to another.

 

And quite often in the pub people might say "we got through on penalties" but no-one ever says "we got through 2-1", they'd say "we won two-one". Like it or not the word "won" is used less when penalties are involved.

 

And, goals scored in Penalty shootouts don't count to season or career goals tallies. Because they don't take place in the match officially, just in the device used to settle a tie. It's also why the final score wasn't 7-3 or whatever. It was 2-2, then the penalty tally.

 

With Torquay, we drew the match, we won the tie.

 

Pretty simple and people picking Pancake up on that are a tiny bit dim I'm afraid.

 

I think the result was we won on penalties as we scored more goals

[Toadhall Saint]

Who cares? We went through - pointless debate IMHO.

[CB Fry]

 

If England get to the World Cup final next year and win on penalties, are you going to say we didn't win the World Cup?

 

 

Of course not. But the final score on the T-Shirts will be 0-0, 2-1, 2-0. Even if we win the world cup within six months no-one in England will remember the penalty score (5-3, or 4-2 or whatever) but everyone will remember the full time score, and the fact that the match was a draw.

 

It's not a case of, ok then, it was a draw but we'll let Southamptom through I suppose cuz they scored more penalties.

 

 

Actually, yes it is. Match is drawn and then the tie is decided by whatever method has been decided by the competition organisers.

 

It's also why there are no penalty shootouts in the league.

 

LOL at you.

[CB Fry]

I think the result was we won on penalties as we scored more goals

 

 

No sh*t. We drew the match though.

[NickG]

After extra time, the game was not drawn, the scores were level. A draw would indicate the final outcome of the game. The final outcome of this game was a Win for Saints, determined by the taking of penalty kicks. Therefore, the result was a win, whoopdedoo.

 

(last years rules but I am sure they are the same)

14.4 In the event of scores being level: -

14.4.1 at the end of ninety minutes’ play in all rounds apart from the Final; and

14.4.2 after the conclusion of the two legs in each Area Final,

the winner shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with the Laws of Association Football.

 

bizarre thread - yet again. Appears this post answers it clearly from the rule book. Can't have a winner without winning!

 

If it offends so much perhaps mods should rename it Last 12 fixtures/results/ties etc - as there is no doubt with that it is a win!

[Thedelldays]

drew the match, won the tie

 

being taken to penalties by one of the countries most god sh1t teams was poor enough

[Saint_clark]

drew the match, won the tie

 

being taken to penalties by one of the countries most god sh1t teams was poor enough

 

You're right. Just because we only won on penalties, this entire list is pointless and embarrassing. Get rid of it.

[The Kraken]

You're right. Just because we only won on penalties, this entire list is pointless and embarrassing. Get rid of it.

 

This whole thread is pointless and embarrassing. Its like an argument in a school playground.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If you'd told me a 3 or 4 years ago that this forum would one day be overrun with fans becoming ludicrously overexcited by lists of our recent League One results (aka the old 3rd Division) then I'd hardly have believed you .

It's a good and welcome development that our team is performing so well at the moment after years of struggle but it's also profoundly depressing to read these distasteful threads and have to face just how far our standards have fallen in such a relatively short time . It was not that long ago need I remind you lot that this grand old club was matching and on occasion even beating wealthy Premier League teams - the aristocracy of British football - now many on here are reduced to bragging about a one goal home win over little Wycombe Wanderers or a draw against impoverished Torquay Utd .

 

A little of Kipling's 'If' might be in order methinks :

 

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposter's just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools .....................

 

If we get promoted this season against all the odds , if we have our day at Wembley again in a cup final then I'll happily join in all the fun , but until will do actually achieve something a little more significant than climbing one place above the 3rd Division relegation zone than I'll keep the champagne on ice for the moment if you all don't mind too much .

[St Will]

Whether it was a tie or a match, we won in the end, we made it through, therefore it should go down as a win. 10 wins out of 13. End of.

[St Will]

If you'd told me a 3 or 4 years ago that this forum would one day be overrun with fans becoming ludicrously overexcited by lists of our recent League One results (aka the old 3rd Division) then I'd hardly have believed you .

It's a good and welcome development that our team is performing so well at the moment after years of struggle but it's also profoundly depressing to read these distasteful threads and have to face just how far our standards have fallen in such a relatively short time . It was not that long ago need I remind you lot that this grand old club was matching and on occasion even beating wealthy Premier League teams - the aristocracy of British football - now many on here are reduced to bragging about a one goal home win over little Wycombe Wanderers or a draw against impoverished Torquay Utd .

 

A little of Kipling's 'If' might be in order methinks :

 

 

 

If we get promoted this season against all the odds , if we have our day at Wembley again in a cup final then I'll happily join in all the fun , but until will do actually achieve something a little more significant than climbing one place above the 3rd Division relegation zone than I'll keep the champagne on ice for the moment if you all don't mind too much .

 

Nobody's getting over excited, but it doesn't mean we have to be grumpy and miserable just cuz of the league we're in.

 

Obviously it's not as good ad the good old days, but it is was it is, and we're finally on the up and are producing good results...there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If you'd told me a 3 or 4 years ago that this forum would one day be overrun with fans becoming ludicrously overexcited by lists of our recent League One results (aka the old 3rd Division) then I'd hardly have believed you .

It's a good and welcome development that our team is performing so well at the moment after years of struggle but it's also profoundly depressing to read these distasteful threads and have to face just how far our standards have fallen in such a relatively short time . It was not that long ago need I remind you lot that this grand old club was matching and on occasion even beating wealthy Premier League teams - the aristocracy of British football - now many on here are reduced to bragging about a one goal home win over little Wycombe Wanderers or a draw against impoverished Torquay Utd .

 

A little of Kipling's 'If' might be in order methinks :

 

 

 

If we get promoted this season against all the odds , if we have our day at Wembley again in a cup final then I'll happily join in all the fun , but until will do actually achieve something a little more significant than climbing one place above the 3rd Division relegation zone than I'll keep the champagne on ice for the moment if you all don't mind too much .

 

You put this more eloquently than I could.

 

We all support the Saints.

We are all happy when we win.

It's just all of us have different ways of expressing that support and happiness.

 

One thing I am learning on this forum is there is no right or wrong and there has to be room for both the "happy clappies" and the "moaning minnies" to co-exist even though we both seem to get irked by each other's posts.

 

I have had a good look at myself, Saints and things I say on here. I think I am too negative and from now on I shall try to stop over negative posts. That's my contribution. I accept the stats give pleasure to lots on here and they should be allowed to enjoy those stats. It would be great too if those people also appreciate there are quite a few who have the views of Chapel Charlie and who prefer to post notes of caution in order we don't get too carried away with ourselves.

 

As for the Torquay game - would it have changed any views if the result had been decided on the flick of a coin?

[70's Mike]

Live for today

I have enjoyed the last 13 games more than any other 13 games over the last 4 years

[John B]

No sh*t. We drew the match though.

 

I think the result was that we won on Penalties .

 

 

I thought we lost to Derby on Penalties and England have lost too many times on Penaties too in World and European Championships.

 

Perhaps we should ask Avram Grant as he was involved when Chelsea lost on Penalties in Moscow for confirmation

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You put this more eloquently than I could.

 

We all support the Saints.

We are all happy when we win.

It's just all of us have different ways of expressing that support and happiness.

 

One thing I am learning on this forum is there is no right or wrong and there has to be room for both the "happy clappies" and the "moaning minnies" to co-exist even though we both seem to get irked by each other's posts.

 

I have had a good look at myself, Saints and things I say on here. I think I am too negative and from now on I shall try to stop over negative posts. That's my contribution. I accept the stats give pleasure to lots on here and they should be allowed to enjoy those stats. It would be great too if those people also appreciate there are quite a few who have the views of Chapel Charlie and who prefer to post notes of caution in order we don't get too carried away with ourselves.

 

As for the Torquay game - would it have changed any views if the result had been decided on the flick of a coin?

 

As far as I can see you've done absolutely nothing to reproach yourself for my friend . The day we allow Kipling's 'Knaves' on this forum to dictate to us what we are allowed to say or think will be the day we should resign from it , frankly should that day ever come it really wouldn't be much of a loss .

[NickG]

You put this more eloquently than I could.

 

We all support the Saints.

We are all happy when we win.

It's just all of us have different ways of expressing that support and happiness.

 

One thing I am learning on this forum is there is no right or wrong and there has to be room for both the "happy clappies" and the "moaning minnies" to co-exist even though we both seem to get irked by each other's posts.

 

I have had a good look at myself, Saints and things I say on here. I think I am too negative and from now on I shall try to stop over negative posts. That's my contribution. I accept the stats give pleasure to lots on here and they should be allowed to enjoy those stats. It would be great too if those people also appreciate there are quite a few who have the views of Chapel Charlie and who prefer to post notes of caution in order we don't get too carried away with ourselves.

 

As for the Torquay game - would it have changed any views if the result had been decided on the flick of a coin?

 

I don't think anyone minds the caution at all.

I don't think anyone has opened the champagne on the basis of the these results.

I don't mind that Chapel C doesn't enjoy these threads,

But I don't think anyone should criticise the fans for enjoying the results - just don't see how this list of a fact (our good form) can be distasteful and depressing??

 

I appreciate being in 3rd division in itself is somewhat depressing - but on that basis the fixture list and every match thread is depressing

[Cabrone]

If we were to repeat the results of the last 13 games over our next 13 league games then we'd have 51 points with 14 games to go.

 

If that were to happen then I'd quite fancy our chances of getting to the playoffs.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Whether it was a tie or a match, we won in the end

 

I had more respect for you when you stuck to your opinion.

 

You look weak now backing down

[CB Fry]

You're right. Just because we only won on penalties, this entire list is pointless and embarrassing. Get rid of it.

 

 

What list?

[CB Fry]

I think the result was that we won on Penalties .

 

 

I thought we lost to Derby on Penalties and England have lost too many times on Penaties too in World and European Championships.

 

Perhaps we should ask Avram Grant as he was involved when Chelsea lost on Penalties in Moscow for confirmation

 

 

I'm struggling to find these people saying we didn't win on penalties that you seem to be talking to.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I don't think anyone minds the caution at all.

I don't think anyone has opened the champagne on the basis of the these results.

I don't mind that Chapel C doesn't enjoy these threads,

But I don't think anyone should criticise the fans for enjoying the results - just don't see how this list of a fact (our good form) can be distasteful and depressing??

 

I appreciate being in 3rd division in itself is somewhat depressing - but on that basis the fixture list and every match thread is depressing

 

Yes it is.

 

My wife said to me on Saturday "WHERE are you going"?

Last night she said "WHO are you playing?"

Last week it was " HARTLEPOOL, you're joking"?

 

I daren't tell her we've got Walsall on Saturday!

 

When I first met her I took her to Saints v Liverpool FA Cup semi-final at White Hart Lane, so she thinks Saints are a BIG club.

 

Mind you, growing up in Sunderland she used to serve Bovril at Roker Park so she knows the gritty side of football.

 

The sooner we get back to at least the CCC the better although I feel there is work to be done on that squad yet before we can regard ourselves as 2nd tier material. (There's the negative in me - I can't help it)

[John B]

Yes it is.

 

 

The sooner we get back to at least the CCC the better although I feel there is work to be done on that squad yet before we can regard ourselves as 2nd tier material. (There's the negative in me - I can't help it)

 

 

There is a difference between negativity and realism

 

From my experience realism is often confused for negativity by people who not realise that their ideas are open to question

 

By the way I doubt that we will get promoted without a number of talented new players I read somewhere that Pardew got in 29 new players at Charlton so there is some hope

[St Will]

There is a difference between negativity and realism

 

From my experience realism is often confused for negativity by people who not realise that their ideas are open to question

 

By the way I doubt that we will get promoted without a number of talented new players I read somewhere that Pardew got in 29 new players at Charlton so there is some hope

 

Negative people think call their views "realism" because they for some reason they are unable to believe that positive things can actually happen. It's quite sad.

[Saint_clark]

What list?

 

The list of results. It's in the OP. Well hidden, i'll give you that...

[CB Fry]

There is a difference between negativity and realism

 

From my experience realism is often confused for negativity by people who not realise that their ideas are open to question

 

By the way I doubt that we will get promoted without a number of talented new players I read somewhere that Pardew got in 29 new players at Charlton so there is some hope

 

 

From my experience negativity is often confused for realism on this forum, in the manner of a sulky teenager who equates walking around in a long coat with a face like a smacked arse with intellectualism.

 

Remember the "realists" on this forum were confidently predicting how we would scrape into fifth from bottom this season and sneering at anyone expecting better.

 

Well, we'll see how real the "realists" were being come May, won't we.

[CB Fry]

The list of results. It's in the OP. Well hidden, i'll give you that...

 

Yeah, I know. No-one explaining to the divs about how the Torquay game was a draw with the result decided on penalties gives a toss about the list you're squinneying about.

[Saint_clark]

Yeah, I know. No-one explaining to the divs about how the Torquay game was a draw with the result decided on penalties gives a toss about the list you're squinneying about.

 

Ah, I see. Aren't you one of those people though?

[Glasgow_Saint]

The Torquay game was a win FFS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOT!

[CB Fry]

You're right. Just because we only won on penalties, this entire list is pointless and embarrassing. Get rid of it.

 

 

Go on, get all upset about "the list" again. It's quite funny.

[brmbrm]

Is this really what the forum has come to?

 

13 games = 10 wins + 2 draws.

13 games = 9 wins plus 3 draws.

 

We're **** and we know we are, or more accuratley we are better than the **** around us.

 

The majority of the posters above should feel ashamed and go and do something else if they don't want to suport the club. All this "Div 3 blah blah should be beating this crap blah blah".

 

Lock the thread? Lock the forum, put them on th enaughty step or whatever.