Scudamore Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Glad not all have given up... 70 odd % for the league. Quite right Well done everybody. Delldays is pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 JPT all the way for me we have a very good chance of getting to Wembley what better way to thank Marcus than to win something would be a Fantastic day out I dont care if people think it is a tin pot comp it has been to long since we won a trophy. I have always thought the play offs are a big ask I am not writting off our chances but I think mid table for us this season. I also think if we can win the JPT it will have a huge feel good factor for the team & club that and a good season in the league & we could really push on for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 For me, it's try and win every match, strengthen the side again in january, get a winnining habit and see where it takes us. The long term solution is promotion as soon as possible, build the strongest team possible, and take everything we can on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 staying up and not losing players before next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Yeah agreed Stevo, we can still make the Playoffs in my opinion, but we need to sort things out at the back, and quick. We have the threat going forward. It won't take as much as people think to slowly climb up the table. We need to get out of relegation places, IMO that would change everything around the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Well done everybody. Delldays is pleased. Golden Thread just for that fact, it doesn't happen often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Cant believe ..those who would rather win the JPT instead of promotion. :confused::confused:00 I don't think anyone would prefer winning the JPT to promotion. That wasn't the question asked. If I'm honest, the OP question is ambiguous and needs a few 'givens'. Are we assuming safety from relegation as a given? For me, promotion would outrank every other option offered. But if it's a choice between (1) winning the JPT, (2) midtable anonymity, and (3) a good FA cup run ... then I would vote for option 1. If option 2 is actually (2) promotion from L1 to Championship, then I vote for that option any day. But if it's one of (1) win a game in the JPT, (2) win a game in the league, (3) win a game in the FA Cup, then option 1, please, as that gets us closer to the glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Yeah agreed Stevo, we can still make the Playoffs in my opinion, but we need to sort things out at the back, and quick. We have the threat going forward. It won't take as much as people think to slowly climb up the table. We need to get out of relegation places, IMO that would change everything around the club I doubt that we can actually make the playoffs this season. At best we will get 75/76 points and in view of the points/game ratio of the top 6 clubs that won't be enough because even if they do start losing more than a few games it will profit the teams immediately behind them. Sorry but the POs are really a lost cause this season.A nice day out at Wembley for the JPT and something to look forward to next season is the very best we can hope for. Unless of course we get 3 new defenders in on the 1st January, then and only then might I change my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 By FA Cup 3rd Round promotion may be beyond us. I hope not of course. Carry on pushing for all 3 at the moment i guess Why? ...one teamalways stormsup the table and we are looking like a good bet. The programme notes from hartlepoolread the same with Turner tipping us as the outside bet for promotion. We are only 13 points off of the promotion places but our form puts us only three points off the pace so why not just wait and see and enjoy the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Div 1 and then win play off final....JPT is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 For me, it's try and win every match, strengthen the side again in january, get a winnining habit and see where it takes us. The long term solution is promotion as soon as possible, build the strongest team possible, and take everything we can on the way. Couldn't agree more! The priority is the next game, whatever the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Gotta be league every time, thats the bread and butter that keeps us alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 The league is obviously the most important, as long as there is a slight chance of reaching he playoffs we should make that our priority. After that, the JPT is way more important than the FA Cup, we actually have a chance to put a shiny thing in our pathetic looking cabinet. If players need resting (and it sometimes does make sense to rest players as ALL the top managers prove) do it in our FA Cup games because we can't win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 The league is obviously the most important, as long as there is a slight chance of reaching he playoffs we should make that our priority. Maybe it's just me but I'm on tenter hooks where the league is concerned. I really think this league is going to be a close run thing. Five or six games are going to make the difference between promotion or relegation so, for me, we have to make the league the priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 The league. But if you go out into every game wanting to win it that is all we can ask of the team. I don't like the idea of a "priority." We should look to win every match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 The FA cup definately. We owe so much of our clubs history to this compeition and we should take it seriously. I genuinely believe our side is as good as any in the Championship, and if Millwall and Cardiff have been able to make the final in recent seasons, who's to say we can't?...and maybe even win it. All we need is a few good draws (i.e. against fairly lowly opposition...we've been luck for the first 3 rounds), and maybe just pull of 1 or 2 shock results in the latter stages. Its a very real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I voted for the League, because that is always the main priority, but we'll be safe enough this season, and as such should consider the JPT as our best chance of getting to Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Absolute no brainer, the priority simply HAS to be the league, We are in the relegation zone going into December, if we allow ourselves to become distracted by any of the cup competitions, we might still be there in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 the target should be to win as many games as possible, so that includes all the cup games. Pard's has the same idea - we need to work on installing a winning mentality right through this club, it has been missing for so long. We may come up slightly short to do anything in the league this year, but it will hold us in fantastic stead to just storm it next year. This year is all about laying the foundations and finding the right mentalities. ...but that only comes from winning lots of games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 We're not out of it to make the play-offs and until we are, that should be the target. JPT is a lovely distraction if we have a chance of a good day out, but I would never risk our chances in the league in favour of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Got to be the JPT, we have a realistic chance of winning it. Just look at hwow Aston Villa's season collapsed last year after they threw away a shot at the UEFA cup on the off chance of breaking into the Champion's League slot. Going limply out of a competition they could have won by 'concerntrating on the league ended up wrecking their season, I don't want that to happen to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 We should be busting a gut to get into the Play-Offs, anything else is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Absolute no brainer, the priority simply HAS to be the league, We are in the relegation zone going into December, if we allow ourselves to become distracted by any of the cup competitions, we might still be there in May. I don't think so somehow. We're better than half the teams in this league even playing poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 That's not really the question I was posing. My point is that, whilst possible, promotion is a very long shot. We started the league 10 points away already. We're now 5 games away from the halfway point and 13 points away from 6th spot. We are going to have to overtake 15 teams just to make the playoffs. That involveds winning 5 games more than the top teams already contending for those spots. Realistically we have a much higher chance of winning the JPT than getting promoted. You are contradicting yourself somewhat here. You ask us what we want the club`s priority to be ! it doesnt really matter if it is a long shot,or what is more likely to achieve,does it ? the essence still boils down to the simple question: should we go for Promotion or winning the JPT,that is what we vote for ! and everyone in their right mind would vote promotion,as I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Has to be the league. With 28 games left to play and a 13 point gap between us and 6th place there is still everything to play for, even if the chances are slim. Cups are a meaningless distraction as far as I'm concerned - I want out of this division ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Has to be the league. With 28 games left to play and a 13 point gap between us and 6th place there is still everything to play for, even if the chances are slim. Cups are a meaningless distraction as far as I'm concerned - I want out of this division ASAP. Six games in December too. I can see us going into the new year with a six point gap to the play offs. From there we're well in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 For me I think the FA cup. the league is obvouisly important but is a given, we are unlikely to get rpomoted, unlikely to be relegated. A good cup run would be a great bonus, put us on the map a bit. What is the best day out, ther JPT final or a 5th round FA cup draw against a top premiership side? The latter gets my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Since the start of the season I've always wanted us 'just' to survive, (by just I mean 'only' rather than scraping through) in mid-table. I don't really want to get to the play-offs and be promoted through that route, I want to go up as champions, which is unrealistic starting where we did this season. Having taken my eldest lad to the FA cup in 2003, I desperately want my youngest to experience a final, whilst the JPT is not as glam as the FA cup I'd love him to share the big-day out. So for me it has to be the JPT (as long as we stay up), then next season get promoted as champions. I think we are capable of both, with one or two more good signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Since the start of the season I've always wanted us 'just' to survive, (by just I mean 'only' rather than scraping through) in mid-table. I don't really want to get to the play-offs and be promoted through that route, I want to go up as champions, which is unrealistic starting where we did this season. Having taken my eldest lad to the FA cup in 2003, I desperately want my youngest to experience a final, whilst the JPT is not as glam as the FA cup I'd love him to share the big-day out. So for me it has to be the JPT (as long as we stay up), then next season get promoted as champions. I think we are capable of both, with one or two more good signings. Personally for me any method of promotion is an achievement, if we go up after scraping 6th spot on goal difference - that's fine with me! We won't just stay up, we'll probably be 15-20 points (maybe more) clear around Easter time, we've got way too much quality to be down there for long. for me, between 8th - 12th will be a solid season for me. If we finish bottom half mid-table then that's not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 You are contradicting yourself somewhat here. You ask us what we want the club`s priority to be ! it doesnt really matter if it is a long shot,or what is more likely to achieve,does it ? the essence still boils down to the simple question: should we go for Promotion or winning the JPT,that is what we vote for ! and everyone in their right mind would vote promotion,as I did. It depends whether you think promotion is still realistic this season (personally I do). Some people think it is not and so it is reasonable to wonder what they see as the priority this season. For example, trying to win the JPT and the benefits that could take into a promotion campaign next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Any stattos out there who can unearth any team(s) that got into the League 1 playoffs from the same league position/points tally we are at the beginning of December? In other words, would we have to break the second half of the season points tally 'record' to get into the playoffs or is it perhaps more common an achievement than we perhaps think likely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 The league is obviously the most important, as long as there is a slight chance of reaching he playoffs we should make that our priority. After that, the JPT is way more important than the FA Cup, we actually have a chance to put a shiny thing in our pathetic looking cabinet. If players need resting (and it sometimes does make sense to rest players as ALL the top managers prove) do it in our FA Cup games because we can't win it. Maybe my view is biased, but I cannot see the point of the JPT and would not claim it as a trophy won for fear of embarrassment. That would be almost as bad as the time we listed the 5 a-side trophy on our honours list. What really would concern me if we lost the likes of Lallana because we had to stay another season in this division. I am pretty sure we have already suffered in the league because of our involvement in the JPT and maybe our position is now such that the JPT is no longer a distraction. After all this time we are still not even out of the relegation zone, so the realistic hopes of the play offs may have passed us bye. I would have preferred us to put out the youth team for all the cups and concentrate on the League, but at this juncture I can't see the harm for those fans wanting their day out at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 As a (long) retired defender, I like to see good defending as well as good attacking - and I'd rather see the former from my own team rather than from the opposition! So I'd like to start to see us keeping some clean sheets - and with the goal scorers we have we just might make the playoffs.... where we just might win through.... ...or am I moaning and being too negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 For me I think the FA cup. the league is obvouisly important but is a given, we are unlikely to get rpomoted, unlikely to be relegated. A good cup run would be a great bonus, put us on the map a bit. What is the best day out, ther JPT final or a 5th round FA cup draw against a top premiership side? The latter gets my vote. You would rather get annihilated by United, Chelsea etc. than watch Saints play at Wembley (play-offs or JPT final). Playing away to a top team is nothing special mate, a few years down the line you won't even remember it. However seeing Saints at Wembley could be a once in a lifetime thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 I wanted to vote for all 3. Every game in every competition is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 JPT unless we hit a very good or bad run of form, then the league should take priority. This JPT. Final is in -what - March? Winnable and could give us the impetus to push for the playoffs in the run-in, assuming we're mid-table by then, of course... And this; JPT represents a great chance for some silverware and I think going for this and aiming for the play-offs don't have to be mutually exclusive. Having said that I'm really not fussed about the FA Cup this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 It depends whether you think promotion is still realistic this season (personally I do). well,then the poll should simply be: "do you think we will: 1.win the JPT,2.be promoted,or 3.both" with the criteria you suggest,this poll doesnt measure anything-except from any posters random and everchanging belief and level of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 Absolute no brainer, the priority simply HAS to be the league, We are in the relegation zone going into December, if we allow ourselves to become distracted by any of the cup competitions, we might still be there in May. spot the 'stay at home fan' You've not been to a game for over 4 years! Dave Byrne refers to your type as an idiot & moron. His words not mine http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/7774879.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 The league. But if you go out into every game wanting to win it that is all we can ask of the team. I don't like the idea of a "priority." We should look to win every match. That's fine but if it's the day before the Norwich JPT tie and Lambert has a dodgy knee that could use a few days rest but might well be okay, do we play him or save him for the league game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 safety first and then a day out at Wembley . I know it is a nothing trophy but it would bring 30k saints fans out and some of them may start turning up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 1 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2009 That's fine but if it's the day before the Norwich JPT tie and Lambert has a dodgy knee that could use a few days rest but might well be okay, do we play him or save him for the league game? That's sort of what I was getting at with the OP. I'm not saying give up on the league, but say we beat Norwich and make it into the area finals. We have a heavy fixture list with league, JPT and hopefully a couple of FA Cup fixtures. We have a league match on a Saturday, then then one leg of the area final the following Tuesday. Lambert, Jaidi, Lallana, Hammond and Harding are starting to look a bit jaded. Which game would you rest them for*. *By this point you would hope Saints are a good 5 or 6 points clear of the drop zone, but still probably 9 or 10 from the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 League is and always should be number one priority when in our lowly position, all cups are just a bonus if we do well in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somewhere In Northam Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 JPT, we are not going to get promoted, but we are not going to be relegated either, and to even consider winning the FA cup is just silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 December, 2009 Share Posted 1 December, 2009 safety first and then a day out at Wembley . I know it is a nothing trophy but it would bring 30k saints fans out and some of them may start turning up again. A play off final place would bring out more! If we could scrape into the top 6 I'd fancy our chances of making that final too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 do people on here still think promotion is unlikely..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2009 do people on here still think promotion is unlikely..? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Yes. of course it is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 of course it is not We first have to make the playoff places and then win the playoffs, of course it's unlikely. Knock out competitions are a crap shoot at best.. It's not however impossible and it may even be probable to make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somewhere In Northam Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 looking good at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 I wouldn't go as far as likely -so does that make it unlikely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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