TijuanaTim Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Why is it that my preference (especially in cups) is for my to have this route? Thinking about it here is my rationale(s). How far have we ever got playing Arse/Chelsk/Manks/Scouser or even Spurms for that matter 'away'? How much do we gain from those sort of matches? It can be demoralizing for a team on a decent run and confident like now, to go one of those Meccas in the early rounds and have their @sses handed to them. If one of our up and coming stars e.g. Lallana has a blinder, guess what with a massive attention match like that there is every chance they get snapped up and spend the forseeable future 'riding the bench' dressed in a different kit...Don't say 'that won't happen', look at Bale/Walcott/Surman who have barely five games between them out of a possible 60 odd this year. ------------------------- Whereas: If we play a home ala Rotherham/Hatters, we have every chance to win. A win gives us confidence. A win gives us the opportunity to make the club more revenue. A win gives us the overview that our cup performances have been a success. I want to win this tie and then get the winner of Donny/Brentford, Notts County/Forest Green, Accrington/Barnet/Gillingham or the like!! It gets harder by definition the further you go. So let's continue on 'The Path Of Least Resistence'....or do you still want one day out somewhere?
Big_Bald_Si Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Day out! We're not going to win the cup, lets enjoy it as much as possible!
Nexstar Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Getting a top 4 side away means a fantastic day out for the fans and players alike. We're not going to win the FA cup and we're hardly desperate for the money so it seems to act as a tournament that tires the players and gets in the way of the league and JPT.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Why is it that my preference (especially in cups) is for my to have this route? Thinking about it here is my rationale(s). How far have we ever got playing Arse/Chelsk/Manks/Scouser or even Spurms for that matter 'away'? How much do we gain from those sort of matches? It can be demoralizing for a team on a decent run and confident like now, to go one of those Meccas in the early rounds and have their @sses handed to them. If one of our up and coming stars e.g. Lallana has a blinder, guess what with a massive attention match like that there is every chance they get snapped up and spend the forseeable future 'riding the bench' dressed in a different kit...Don't say 'that won't happen', look at Bale/Walcott/Surman who have barely five games between them out of a possible 60 odd this year. ------------------------- Whereas: If we play a home ala Rotherham/Hatters, we have every chance to win. A win gives us confidence. A win gives us the opportunity to make the club more revenue. A win gives us the overview that our cup performances have been a success. I want to win this tie and then get the winner of Donny/Brentford, Notts County/Forest Green, Accrington/Barnet/Gillingham or the like!! It gets harder by definition the further you go. So let's continue on 'The Path Of Least Resistence'....or do you still want one day out somewhere? Accept your reasoning but a day out would have been nice.
TijuanaTim Posted 29 November, 2009 Author Posted 29 November, 2009 Day out! We're not going to win the cup, lets enjoy it as much as possible! What's to 'enjoy' about losing at OT?...We weren't gonna win the cup in '76 either...I'll tell you what mate, I'd rather beat Bradford/Palarse/Blackpool than get shafted at Anfield and have 'had a day out', get my drift Si? ;-)
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Accept your reasoning but a day out would have been nice. And is still very possible for the 4th round with this draw or Rotherham or Luton at home.
Big_Bald_Si Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 What's to 'enjoy' about losing at OT?...We weren't gonna win the cup in '76 either...I'll tell you what mate, I'd rather beat Bradford/Palarse/Blackpool than get shafted at Anfield and have 'had a day out', get my drift Si? ;-) Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely see your point of view. However, I'd still love a trip to one of the big boys and see our boys give them a run for their money - I'd far prefer that than a 2-0 win over Bradford, for example. Would be good to test ourselves against higher level opposition - we were close to beating Brum in the league cup this season, would love to see more of that.
TijuanaTim Posted 29 November, 2009 Author Posted 29 November, 2009 "I'd far prefer that than a 2-0 win over Bradford, for example." ..but if you beat Bradford, you may then get Palace in a semi and then United at Wembley...
red&white56 Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Let's assume we beat Rotherham / Luton in the 3rd round - then by the 4th round, end of January, we may well want a big day out ?? By that time it'll be a lot clearer if we have a chance to make the play-offs and wouldn't it be good to test ourselves against one of the higher placed teams to see how we're doing??
dubai_phil Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 I'm with Tim on this one, we are rebuilding, we're winning back the fans and most importantly we're attracting the next generation of fans - the kids to watch us. The longer we stay in the Cup, the more people will talk about the cup run. The 4th round IF we get that far is still early enough not to interfere with a possible run to the play offs but gives an extra buzz. Nobody remembers who gets knocked out at the big clubs except us when we repeatedly get shown the goals against us as they proceed to Wembley. We're not ready for PL opposition yet. Maybe when after the January window we will be stronger and we could actually give the fans a day out to remember. FFS we had enough days out in the PL & CCC where we were bilge and depressed. Liverpool away 7-1, was that a big day out? Was it fook.
aintforever Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 We are not going to win the FA Cup, I would rather go out with a bang in the 3rd round than play more pointless matches picking up injuries and suspensions along the way.
VectisSaint Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 As far as I know no-one on this Board can influence who we get next, and AP is never going to tell his players to go out and throw the game. So stop worrying about who we get or whether we will have a day out. The only possible bad outcome would be to lose at home to a lower league team, and with the team we now have I think this is unlikely. Nothing to stop a 3rd division team getting to the semis at least, and I think the semis this season are at Wembley (I could well be wrong on that) Que sera sera.
TijuanaTim Posted 29 November, 2009 Author Posted 29 November, 2009 As far as I know no-one on this Board can influence who we get next, and AP is never going to tell his players to go out and throw the game. So stop worrying about who we get or whether we will have a day out. The only possible bad outcome would be to lose at home to a lower league team, and with the team we now have I think this is unlikely. Nothing to stop a 3rd division team getting to the semis at least, and I think the semis this season are at Wembley (I could well be wrong on that) Que sera sera. Good points Mr V. My point initially, was the competition gets harder as you go deeper..like it or not..so I hope fortune gives us an easier option.
toofarnorth Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 I agree with the OP. If it wasn't for the path of least resistance we wouldn't have had the cup final in 2003. Rubbish teams as far as we can go as far as i'm concerned, the the day out at the end gets bigger even when it does eventually come to an end.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Getting a top 4 side away means a fantastic day out for the fans and players alike. We're not going to win the FA cup and we're hardly desperate for the money so it seems to act as a tournament that tires the players and gets in the way of the league and JPT. Where does it say we don't need money? Growing the club properly, and for the long term means balancing income and revenue! We already know what living beyond our means is like and now ML has managed to dig us out of this hole we should learn from the experience going forward! We need to build on our recent success gradually and sensibly by growing our revenue (bums on seats, prize money, commercial income, retail, adverising etc) in line with growing costs (mainly transfer fees and salaries)
tonibell Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Accept your reasoning but a day out would have been nice. Yes woulkd have give me another chance to see more of the UK. Always make a good day on Saturday
September Saint Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Lets not forget that Millwall got to the final recently Best to take each match as it comes (unless anyone knows the person who picks the balls outof the drum) enjoy the wins against lesser teams and enjoy the days out against better teams. The very worst draw, in my opinion, is Man.U @ SMS. I'm still recovering from the 6th round game in 2005.
jam Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 And is still very possible for the 4th round with this draw or Rotherham or Luton at home. And, if we can get to a later round through avoiding any Championship or Prem clubs, we will have a higher likelyhood of drawing a decent one. Let's face it, who's goona get excited about a trip to Wigan or Wolves (both of which we'd probably lose anyway).
TijuanaTim Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Posted 30 November, 2009 And, if we can get to a later round through avoiding any Championship or Prem clubs, we will have a higher likelyhood of drawing a decent one. Let's face it, who's goona get excited about a trip to Wigan or Wolves (both of which we'd probably lose anyway). Another good point...what an anti-climax to lose away to one of those two.
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Getting a top 4 side away means a fantastic day out for the fans and players alike. We're not going to win the FA cup and we're hardly desperate for the money so it seems to act as a tournament that tires the players and gets in the way of the league and JPT. It's a bit of a myth that we "don"t need the money".We do, we have too many loan players and that can only be because we don't want to buy too many just now.Liebherr might be very rich but he obviously has no intention of throwing bundles of notes at the team just now. He's put up a lot to buy the club and presumably pay off some debts.It stops there,we won't be buying new players in the near future unless the club is at least breaking even so if we want to get out of the loan spiral and improve the side well then we need to make money at the gate and from TV revenues.In the cup you have to give away 55% of the gate so there's not much point of having a 1 off bonanza against a big 4 club and nothing afterwards. Getting to the later rounds ensures more paydays and better TV payouts when you eventually get on.
Charlie2008 Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 I agree with the OP. If it wasn't for the path of least resistance we wouldn't have had the cup final in 2003. Rubbish teams as far as we can go as far as i'm concerned, the the day out at the end gets bigger even when it does eventually come to an end. Just what I was going to post, except for the last bit...expect the unexpected!
TijuanaTim Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Posted 30 November, 2009 It's a bit of a myth that we "don"t need the money".We do, we have too many loan players and that can only be because we don't want to buy too many just now.Liebherr might be very rich but he obviously has no intention of throwing bundles of notes at the team just now. He's put up a lot to buy the club and presumably pay off some debts.It stops there,we won't be buying new players in the near future unless the club is at least breaking even so if we want to get out of the loan spiral and improve the side well then we need to make money at the gate and from TV revenues.In the cup you have to give away 55% of the gate so there's not much point of having a 1 off bonanza against a big 4 club and nothing afterwards. Getting to the later rounds ensures more paydays and better TV payouts when you eventually get on. Make sense to me, he ain't throwing good money after bad...The further we go, the more games we get, the more hard cash we earn....Keep the Lutons coming please!
The Majestic Channon Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 You can have a 'day out' no matter who we play, i want to see saints win games, not sit there watching us being outclassed whilst admiring the emirates ( for example) what fun man u at home was last season... I'm with tim , and well done and thanks for your efforts re Ron davies BTW.
Huffton Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 We are not going to win the FA Cup, I would rather go out with a bang in the 3rd round than play more pointless matches picking up injuries and suspensions along the way. I agree completely. Lets worry about the cup when we are back in with a shout of getting to the final again. A nice day out getting shafted by a big club? If it means no injuries/suspensions and means we can concentrate on a promotion push, then hell yes!
The Majestic Channon Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 I agree completely. Lets worry about the cup when we are back in with a shout of getting to the final again. A nice day out getting shafted by a big club? If it means no injuries/suspensions and means we can concentrate on a promotion push, then hell yes! Personally i would rather see us win away to say..barnet than lose to one of the big five. Getting shafted by a big club and a nice day don't go together for me .
Minsk Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 What's to 'enjoy' about losing at OT?...We weren't gonna win the cup in '76 either...I'll tell you what mate, I'd rather beat Bradford/Palarse/Blackpool than get shafted at Anfield and have 'had a day out', get my drift Si? ;-) I agree with the OP. If it wasn't for the path of least resistance we wouldn't have had the cup final in 2003. Rubbish teams as far as we can go as far as i'm concerned, the the day out at the end gets bigger even when it does eventually come to an end. Two spot on posts if ever I saw them!! I'm with you all the way on this one Tim!
hamster Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Surely the FA Cup is about a 'dream' and dreaming of winning the thing? I really don't care who we play but do prefer home games and always, always believe that we can beat anyone. It's happened before it can happen again. COYR's
TijuanaTim Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Posted 30 November, 2009 Surely the FA Cup is about a 'dream' and dreaming of winning the thing? I really don't care who we play but do prefer home games and always, always believe that we can beat anyone. It's happened before it can happen again. COYR's Besides MankU in the final, everyone else we played in '76 were mediocre at best right? Yeah we won the cup and to do that is an awesome achievement, however just like every winning team before and after us the 'good fortune cup Gods' were looking down upon us right. Fortune/dominance whatever is more likely to come your way at home to Accrington than at Stamford Bridge.
MbaleSaint Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 FFS we had enough days out in the PL & CCC where we were bilge and depressed. Liverpool away 7-1, was that a big day out? Was it fook. When did Liverpool beat us 7-1?
St Landrew Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Why is it that my preference (especially in cups) is for my to have this route? Thinking about it here is my rationale(s). How far have we ever got playing Arse/Chelsk/Manks/Scouser or even Spurms for that matter 'away'? How much do we gain from those sort of matches? It can be demoralizing for a team on a decent run and confident like now, to go one of those Meccas in the early rounds and have their @sses handed to them. If one of our up and coming stars e.g. Lallana has a blinder, guess what with a massive attention match like that there is every chance they get snapped up and spend the forseeable future 'riding the bench' dressed in a different kit...Don't say 'that won't happen', look at Bale/Walcott/Surman who have barely five games between them out of a possible 60 odd this year. ------------------------- Whereas: If we play a home ala Rotherham/Hatters, we have every chance to win. A win gives us confidence. A win gives us the opportunity to make the club more revenue. A win gives us the overview that our cup performances have been a success. I want to win this tie and then get the winner of Donny/Brentford, Notts County/Forest Green, Accrington/Barnet/Gillingham or the like!! It gets harder by definition the further you go. So let's continue on 'The Path Of Least Resistence'....or do you still want one day out somewhere? As I said in this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18272 Post 28. Completely agree with you Tim.
once_bitterne Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Given that whatever the romanticists say there is a 0% chance that any L1 team is going to win the Cup, then all I hope is that when we do get knocked out it is in a way that doesn't affect morale to an extent it has an impact on League form. Yes getting beaten by 5 or 6 at OT might do that but losing at home to non-league Luton would do it more! Hopefully we can through this round and then if we go out in the 4th or 5th round to a team from a higher league then it will be no bad thing, esp if we put up a decent performance and don't get embarrassed. (and hopefully it won't be on tv so we can keep Lalanna and maybe even Lambert away from too many prying eyes!)
OldNick Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 My priorities are L1 survival first and foremost, then JPT as he havea chance of getting to Wembley and the feelgood factor and finally the FA cup . Realistically we are unlikely to beat any team above top 10 in the CCC. The players do not need to be tired come the end of the season and so an exit from the cup in the 4th round at home to one of the big 4 by the odd goal and a disputed 1 at thet.We can then play the 'we did well and were conned card' but still walk away with pride...then ask FIFA to reinstate us at the final
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely see your point of view. However, I'd still love a trip to one of the big boys and see our boys give them a run for their money - I'd far prefer that than a 2-0 win over Bradford, for example. Would be good to test ourselves against higher level opposition - we were close to beating Brum in the league cup this season, would love to see more of that. Sorry but I think that could be very bad for us. We ship goals EVERY game. With that record, do you really want to come up agains a big boy? No, keep a run going with minnows as long as possible. After all that's basically what happened in 1976!
Genk Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 In Dec/Jan the fixtures come thick and fast, so I was very happy with a very winnable game in the third round. It's all about confidence when fixtures come quickly and I think league results would be better in Jan having won the 3rd round match rather than gettin tonked by a top 6 prem team. A winnable Champ team in the 4th round is ideal, e.g Plymouth, and then a big team in the 5th as we aren't going to win it.
Stu Man Do Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Getting a top 4 side away means a fantastic day out for the fans and players alike. We're not going to win the FA cup and we're hardly desperate for the money so it seems to act as a tournament that tires the players and gets in the way of the league and JPT. Really? See I love going to away games but that was always tinged with the not wanting to get hammered by your chelskis, arsenal or man utds at an away game. Looking at the money side, the more money the club itself makes the better, Liebhers model already appears to be sensible inputs of money and not the standard "sugar daddy" pump us full of cash model. I'm with Tim, get the easiest draw possible and progress as far as possible and then see what happens! Think of the amount of times winning our easy draw would have ended up with us playing another crap team next round and us kicking ourselves that we have lost to Rotherham*,Port Vale*, Reading*, Stockport* et al.
TijuanaTim Posted 1 December, 2009 Author Posted 1 December, 2009 As I said in this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18272 Post 28. Completely agree with you Tim. Wow, mate...what a very concise way to put it. I hadn't seen that, so thanks.
wightman35 Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Sorry but I think that could be very bad for us. We ship goals EVERY game. With that record, do you really want to come up agains a big boy? No, keep a run going with minnows as long as possible. After all that's basically what happened in 1976! Yes. Agree with you and Tijuana Tim on this; especially if we can avoid injuries and/or Cards.
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 When did Liverpool beat us 7-1? 16th January 1999
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