Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 So how much do you think Grant Holt and Owen Tudor-Jones cost Norwich? Under 300k really? Gunn surely has a better idea than me and you? If he says he spent under 300k then I will believe him
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 lets say he is generous and ups the £25m to £30m over the next 3-4 years.... still, could sell us at a right old profit in 5 years (it is all goes to plan) Some may say he'd be well advised to get out of it frankly , consider these 2008 stats for Premier League clubs finances : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/2968287/Credit-crunch-How-Premier-League-teams-will-be-affected--Football.html Even with the benefit of the vast Sky TV income you'll see that most of the division are still making a loss (or very modest profit at best) and are generating massive debt levels in the process . Until the game sorts out the problem of unsupportable play wage/transfer fee inflation then it not really a sensible business to get into .
dubai_phil Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Pedantic point, we aren't the Man City - we WIN games.... You also forget one thing in your calculations, the club will still be at best breaking even or even losing money. The estimated monthly losses with the old squad were around 500k a month, we have kept Saga & Thomas who are on higher salaries. So when you say ML has spent so much to buy the club and so much on players, you may find even WITH the higher attendances that the actual cash flow of the club needs supporting, not by much but it won't be a small figure, until such time as the player salary/contracts issue works its way out the club (Saga) and to an extent Thomas
St_Tel49 Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 We'll see where they both finish at the end of the season but if you think they're bigger teams -and I'm not talking about history and reputation which mean f**k all- you're living on another planet (just look at our attendance which is four or five times bigger than Colchester and BR for start). The only big teams in this division are Norwich, MK Dons, Charlton, Leeds United, Millwall, Huddersfield and possibly Colchester. What makes MK Dons, Millwall and Colchester big teams? - it certainly is not the size of their support!!!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 We all know we're the fourth richest club in the UK, so what? Err Markus is the fourth richest owner doesn't necessairly mean we are the 4th richest club! Depends on how much HE wants to spend! I hope he will spend wisely and slowly in line with potential growing income! The club needs to grow income in line with spend if it is to have a long term future. See what happened to Pompey when their spend quick new owner got bored!
saint_bert Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Most L1 sides lose players to other clubs - not all (any) spend more than the whole league combined. !We should be doing better this season - absolutely no excuses for next Spot on.
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Err Markus is the fourth richest owner doesn't necessairly mean we are the 4th richest club! Depends on how much HE wants to spend! I hope he will spend wisely and slowly in line with potential growing income! The club needs to grow income in line with spend if it is to have a long term future. See what happened to Pompey when their spend quick new owner got bored! The rumour I heard was that Markus had put £50m into a trust fund for the club. If true, that should see us safely through the next few seasons. These things take time to turn round and with the 10 points it probably wouldn't make any difference if we spent all of that this season.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 The rumour I heard was that Markus had put £50m into a trust fund for the club. If true, that should see us safely through the next few seasons. These things take time to turn round and with the 10 points it probably wouldn't make any difference if we spent all of that this season. You think AP could spend 50 million and we still wouldnt get promoted? You must think AP is a really bad manager. Give him some time ffs
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 You think AP could spend 50 million and we still wouldnt get promoted? You must think AP is a really bad manager. Give him some time ffs Not at all, that's what I was trying to say. What I meant was that there is not much point spending a lot of money this season because of the 10 point deduction. I am quite prepared to leave this management business in the hands of the very capable professionals that we now have in charge. I look forward with enthusiasm to our transfer dealings in the summer and if by some outragious good fortune we get promoted this year I shall be delighted, but I don't expect it and I shall not think it an underachievement if we don't. AP is a very good manager and we are privileged to have him in command.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 The rumour I heard was that Markus had put £50m into a trust fund for the club. ...and where did you hear that!?
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 ...and where did you hear that!? I could tell you but then I'd have to tie you up and put you in a Saints kit and leave you at Fratton Park on a matchday morning.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 I could tell you but then I'd have to tie you up and put you in a Saints kit and leave you at Fratton Park on a matchday morning. Are we talking about a source that would actually know or discussion down the pub with a random "mate"?
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2009 Posted 29 November, 2009 Are we talking about a source that would actually know or discussion down the pub with a random "mate"? It was from someone whose information I respect but I put it no higher than a rumour. I was expressing concern that if anything should happen to our saviour, the club should still be adequately financed and the reply wasto that effect. I do not know the original source, but I may probe a little deeper. I am fully confident that our beloved club is in safe, professional hands and this would seem to me to have been an appropriate course of action. This does not, of course, mean that such a sum would be forthcoming to be splashed around in a Burley-esque fashion.
Micky Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Is this a comedy thread or has it just gone right over me...?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Is this a comedy thread or has it just gone right over me...? whoosh
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 We should be doing better this season - absolutely no excuses for next Spot on. We should have probably done better at the start of the season,now don't think we have anything much to complain about,apart from losing to Brighton that is.Furthermore we are not the Man City of League 1,we have spent relatively little, I really don't know where this idea that we are big spenders comes from.We sold some players,we have invested roughly the same sum in new players. We get good gates for our division,we are having a couple of minor cup runs and bringing in a bit of money from them but we certainly aren't throwing away money on a new player every other day.If we were the Man C of our league we'd have bought 2 new central defenders in July or August instead of chasing after a 34 year old without a work permit and a loan maybe from Preston.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 B]Furthermore we are not the Man City of League 1,we have spent relatively little, I really don't know where this idea that we are big spenders comes from.We sold some players,we have invested roughly the same sum[/b] Comparatively we are indeed the Man City of League 1. Man City outspent every other Premier team quite comprehensively – likewise we have spend considerably more than any other L1 side. Teams in L1 sell players – they don’t all re-invest. Look at the transfers for league 1 – 98% are free transfers. We on the other hand have spent 1.5 million – this is a sizeable amount. More than 70% of the teams in L1 have spent nothing and nobody comes close to spending the £’s we have.
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 We should have probably done better at the start of the season,now don't think we have anything much to complain about,apart from losing to Brighton that is.Furthermore we are not the Man City of League 1,we have spent relatively little, I really don't know where this idea that we are big spenders comes from.We sold some players,we have invested roughly the same sum in new players. We get good gates for our division,we are having a couple of minor cup runs and bringing in a bit of money from them but we certainly aren't throwing away money on a new player every other day.If we were the Man C of our league we'd have bought 2 new central defenders in July or August instead of chasing after a 34 year old without a work permit and a loan maybe from Preston. Indeed, but I suspect it's a matter of who we can get to come and play for us in league 3.
Red and White Army Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 wowzers.... how odd is it that we are the financial power houses in a division..? you are the troll of TSF. stfu ffs.
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Comparatively we are indeed the Man City of League 1. Man City outspent every other Premier team quite comprehensively – likewise we have spend considerably more than any other L1 side. And they are indeed proving that it's all about the money. How many points clear are they at the top of the Prem?
Charlie2008 Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Just as long as we don't go back to our drawing ways as in previous seasons, a la Man C.
John B Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Indeed, but I suspect it's a matter of who we can get to come and play for us in league 3. Yes that is an interesting point and we dont want players on long contracts who might not hack it in the CCC
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 And they are indeed proving that it's all about the money. How many points clear are they at the top of the Prem? Explained earlier…………… Man City spent money to bring the squad to a comparative standard to allow them to compete with the top 6-8 sides in the Prem. We already had a better team than most in L1 and then spent more than the other 23 combined.
CB Fry Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 (edited) And they are indeed proving that it's all about the money. How many points clear are they at the top of the Prem? Last time i looked all the richest clubs are battling for the CL places and all the poorest are battling to stay in the prem. So obviously nothing to do with money at all then. No sir. Edited 30 November, 2009 by CB Fry
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Last time i looked all the richest clubs are battling for the CL places and all the poorest are battling to stay in the prem. So obviously nothing to do with money at all then. No sir. Last time I looked the richest clubs in L1 were battling for the play-offs and the poorest were battling relegation. Give us our 10 points back and we're right in the play-off mix. It's a mixture of money and sport - not a list of all clubs sorted by bank balance.
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Explained earlier…………… Man City spent money to bring the squad to a comparative standard to allow them to compete with the top 6-8 sides in the Prem. Saints spent money to bring the squad to a comparative standard to allow us to compete with the top 6-8 sides in League One. We already had a better team than most in L1 Highly debatable. then spent more than the other 23 combined. Blatently untrue.
Thedelldays Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Posted 30 November, 2009 you are the troll of TSF. stfu ffs. How can I be a troll when this thread has over 70 odd posts when was the last time you posted a thread that was debated and commented on as such?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Saints spent money to bring the squad to a comparative standard to allow us to compete with the top 6-8 sides in League One. When AP took over the side was probably in the top 5 or 6. He spend **** loads and now we have the best side in L1. Only Leeds come close.
doughnutman Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Explained earlier…………… Man City spent money to bring the squad to a comparative standard to allow them to compete with the top 6-8 sides in the Prem. We already had a better team than most in L1 and then spent more than the other 23 combined. No way is that true. We had sold the better performers in the train wreck of a season in the championship (Surman, McGoldrick) and most of the players who were capable of playing at a higher level left (Euell, BWP, John, Rasiak etc). Fair enough we managed to retain Davis, Schneiderlin and Lallana(the latter 2 having not really shone last season and a lot of the fan base were slagging them off and prepared to sell them for very little) but other than that it was a lot of shell shocked youngsters who were not ready for the championship and some of those have been shown to be still not ready for League 1 (Lancashire, and possibly Gobern/Patterson) and ageing players such as Wotton and Perry who are not capable of playing 30+ games a season IMO. Are you really telling me that that is a better squad than the likes of Leeds, Charlton, Norwich, Colchester, MkDons etc? How many players from last season (apart from Lallana and Schneiderlin, who have improved due to far better man management than last season, and Davis) are regularly getting into this side regularly??
Thedelldays Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Posted 30 November, 2009 When AP took over the side was probably in the top 5 or 6. He spend **** loads and now we have the best side in L1. Only Leeds come close. You are right as for torres, he is part of a merry band if posters that high 5 each other at away games and slag off posters on here whilst they look down at us we clearly have not bought a team to compare to whoever is 8th or even 6th unless if course, the likes of Swindon can get a serie A player, rival captain and the leagues best striker when they feel like it
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 No way is that true. We had sold the better performers in the train wreck of a season in the championship (Surman, McGoldrick) and most of the players who were capable of playing at a higher level left (Euell, BWP, John, Rasiak etc). Fair enough we managed to retain Davis, Schneiderlin and Lallana(the latter 2 having not really shone last season and a lot of the fan base were slagging them off and prepared to sell them for very little) but other than that it was a lot of shell shocked youngsters who were not ready for the championship and some of those have been shown to be still not ready for League 1 (Lancashire, and possibly Gobern/Patterson) and ageing players such as Wotton and Perry who are not capable of playing 30+ games a season IMO. Are you really telling me that that is a better squad than the likes of Leeds, Charlton, Norwich, Colchester, MkDons etc? How many players from last season (apart from Lallana and Schneiderlin, who have improved due to far better man management than last season, and Davis) are regularly getting into this side regularly?? Started the season with KD, Harding, Thomas, Saga, Rasiak, Perry, Gillet, Murty, Schneiderlin and Lallana - these players would walk into nearly every side in L1! Even our so called weaker players i.e James, Paterson, Lancashire, Wotton, Mills, Holmes, Gobern, Thomson and Bialkowski would get into most L1 sides. Did we have a better squad than most - Computer says YES
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 You are right as for torres, he is part of a merry band if posters that high 5 each other at away games and slag off posters on here whilst they look down at us we clearly have not bought a team to compare to whoever is 8th or even 6th unless if course, the likes of Swindon can get a serie A player, rival captain and the leagues best striker when they feel like it The thread “Your Number 1 Priority This Season” sums up the mentality of some on here. Over 100 people have picked the JPT as a bigger priority than the league. We are not even half way through the league and over 100 people on here have already ruled out a decent second half to the season. The best part is they call us negative!
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 When AP took over the side was probably in the top 5 or 6. He spend **** loads and now we have the best side in L1. Only Leeds come close. Judged how?
benjii Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 When AP took over the side was probably in the top 5 or 6. He spend **** loads and now we have the best side in L1. Only Leeds come close. You think a team with a defence of: James----Lancashire/Thomas---Perry------Molyneux/Mills would be in the top 6 in League One?
benjii Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The thread “Your Number 1 Priority This Season” sums up the mentality of some on here. Over 100 people have picked the JPT as a bigger priority than the league. We are not even half way through the league and over 100 people on here have already ruled out a decent second half to the season. The best part is they call us negative! No, they haven't. Is your brain really that simple minded or are you just posting beligerent guff for the sake of it?
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 You are right as for torres, he is part of a merry band if posters that high 5 each other at away games and slag off posters on here whilst they look down at us I don't think I've ever high 5-ed anyone at an away game, but I might start at Walsall. Could be fun! I'd have to identify my "merry band" first though. Could you help? we clearly have not bought a team to compare to whoever is 8th or even 6th unless if course, the likes of Swindon can get a serie A player, rival captain and the leagues best striker when they feel like it Could Aston Villa or Sunderland buy Tevez, or Robinho, or Adebayor? Cos they're the clubs that are currently 6th and 8th in the Prem, sandwiching Man City...
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 . Did we have a better squad than most - Computer says YES I think your computer may have a virus.
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 I think your computer may have a virus. TBF i disagree with this. As far as our squad is concerned i think we are well up there, at least in the top 2 or 3. Leeds probably have the best squad, especially with the new loans they have just aquired. When you look at the team we have options everywhere, and decent back up. Even Wotton and Thomas seem to do a job when called upon. In that instance then yeah, i believe we have a decent squad. With the relegation zone confidence zapper out of the way i think we can have a very bright second half of the season. As for Delldays and Glasgow, i can't see the fact that many look at our JPT run as a priority as negative, we are looking strong and steady and can make Wembley and perhaps even silverware (i know it does not mean much). I assume you won't be taking up a ticket if we make it then ??
Sheff Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 (edited) Started the season with KD, Harding, Thomas, Saga, Rasiak, Perry, Gillet, Murty, Schneiderlin and Lallana - these players would walk into nearly every side in L1! Even our so called weaker players i.e James, Paterson, Lancashire, Wotton, Mills, Holmes, Gobern, Thomson and Bialkowski would get into most L1 sides. Did we have a better squad than most - Computer says YES Sure, but in reality Rasiak and Saga wanted away, so they don't count. Gillett, Schneiderlin & Lallana might well walk into any other League 1 team, but at their age, and after last season, they really needed some big expereienced players to help them achieve. Murty and Harding were brand new. No way would Paterson, Lancashire & Thomson walk into other League 1 teams. Lancashire and Paterson will not be playing league football when there contracts here are up. We had a very weak squad on opening day. And as AP said, he needed to get into their heads. How can he now, in just under a month understand what makes them tick, where there strengths are, where there flaws were, if they needed shouting at or arm round them. We didn't have a bad team but we had a rubbish squad until September, and even then it was going to take time for them to click. I think we've got lucky that they've cliked relativly quickly. My aim for the season, realistically, was not positional. It was come March, we won lots of matches. It would mean we were ready to hit 10-11 running. As we've clicked so soon, should we still hit my orignial aim of winning lots of matches in the final third of the season, the points should look after themselves and we'll not be far away from the top 6. You can take out of context all the 'facts' you like but if we get into the top 6 we'll almost certainly have to have accured more points than any other Southampton team ever. That will be an achievement and a half. Edited 30 November, 2009 by Sheff Saint
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Id have Gillet ahead of Wotton everytime. Strange that AP didnt give him a chance. He gave him a few, actually. He was sh*t.
CB Fry Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Last time I looked the richest clubs in L1 were battling for the play-offs and the poorest were battling relegation. Give us our 10 points back and we're right in the play-off mix. It's a mixture of money and sport - not a list of all clubs sorted by bank balance. No sh it sherlock. Thanks for that oh everso wise one. I and every contributor to this forum breathing air is aware of that. That's why i responded to your patronising as hell comment about man city earlier. Christ.
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 TBF i disagree with this. As far as our squad is concerned i think we are well up there, at least in the top 2 or 3. Well up there now, yes. The squad that AP inherited? No way!
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 No sh it sherlock. Thanks for that oh everso wise one. I and every contributor to this forum breathing air is aware of that. That's why i responded to your patronising as hell comment about man city earlier. Christ. Calm down dear. Sometimes there are people in this board that need the bleeding obvious pointed out to them - just be thankful that you're not one of them and don't assume that everyone knows how to tie their own shoelaces.
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Well up there now, yes. The squad that AP inherited? No way! Oh right, yeah, i see the point, sorry didn't realise thats what you were argueing. Well ok, but i would have still regarded the old squad as a mid-table squad tbh.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The squad AP took over was top 6 easy peasy. Dont want to hear another word on it - closed.
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The squad AP took over was top 6 easy peasy. Dont want to hear another word on it - closed. Hmm, not in defence I don't think. I think Jaidi, Trotman and Harding have been our two most important additions, not forgetting Lambert. Who would have played up front to get us all the goals to get us in the top 6?
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The squad AP took over was top 6 easy peasy. Dont want to hear another word on it - closed. Davis James Perry Thomas Mills Lallana Morgan Wotton Holmes Saga Paterson Completely disagree. Look at the defence FFS.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Davis James Perry Thomas Mills Lallana Morgan Wotton Holmes Saga Paterson Completely disagree. Look at the defence FFS. More than good enough for league 1! L1 is complete gash and that team would walk this league - imo remember Rasiak, Murty and Stern John were also in the squad when AP arrived.
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 More than good enough for league 1! L1 is complete gash and that team would walk this league - imo remember Rasiak, Murty and Stern John were also in the squad when AP arrived. Murty must have signed afterwards, surely? And John was out of contract so I didn't include him. Forgot about Rasiak though.
Micky Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The squad AP took over was top 6 easy peasy. Dont want to hear another word on it - closed. Davis James Perry Thomas Mills Lallana Morgan Wotton Holmes Saga Paterson Completely disagree. Look at the defence FFS. Forgive me, but I think somebody might be taking the urine whilst somebody else is having their plonker pulled..!
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