125 year Centenary Ideas

[Matthew Le God]

How about getting 125 of the boring mugs who post on here to actually go and watch the team live week in week out rather than come up with ill informed media based criticism and commercial sh!t re branding etc etc etc.........???

 

 

 

 

Leave the badge and the stripes well alone please.........

 

The current badge has existed for under 40 years and it has changed during those 40 years.

 

For 80 years the club badge was completely different.

 

This is where the traditionalist argument collapses! Surely all "Saint fan traditionalists" should want a badge like the original 1885 badge if they follow through their own logic of no changes to Saints badges.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The current badge has existed for under 40 years and it has changed during those 40 years.

 

For 80 years the club badge was completely different.

 

This is where the traditionalist argument collapses! Surely all "Saint fan traditionalists" should want a badge like the original 1885 badge if they follow through their own logic of no changes to Saints badges.

 

Absolutely spot on.

[Matthew Le God]

This badge uses the original 1885 badge in the shield and also is recognizable to the modern fan as Saints with the scarf, halo and ball. A nice hybrid imo and still recognizable as Southampton.

 

 

Could use it as a one off season celebration of 125 years.

Edited 28 November, 2009 by Matthew Le God

[docker-p]

 

 

My idea is only as a one of to celebrate the anniversary of the founding of the club and then revert back to red and white stripes in 2011.

 

Well your idea stinks. As soon as the next 'occasion' for someone to whip out there notepad and come up with another design and another reason to have us play in something other than red and white stripes.

[Matthew Le God]

Well your idea stinks. As soon as the next 'occasion' for someone to whip out there notepad and come up with another design and another reason to have us play in something other than red and white stripes.

 

If you were a true traditionalist you'd want every kit to look like the 1885 kit.

 

Why don't you follow through your own logic? You have beaten yourself in this discussion

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Saints kit 125 years ago looked like the picture below according to http://www.historicalkits.co.uk

 

 

2010/11 season kit imo should be in this style/colour scheme. The badge could change to something like the original badge aswell instead of the current badge which was designed in the 1970's.

 

Modern version of 1885 Kit

 

 

Badge (50% current 1970's designed badge and 50% 1885 badge)

 

Use this badge for 2010/11 season

 

 

like this badge!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If you were a true traditionalist you'd want every kit to look like the 1885 kit.

 

Why don't you follow through your own logic? You have beaten yourself in this discussion

 

I don't think he reads any other posts other than his own.

Probably too many cans of Red Stripe

 

Just joking Docker.

[docker-p]

The current badge has existed for under 40 years and it has changed during those 40 years.

 

For 80 years the club badge was completely different.

 

This is where the traditionalist argument collapses! Surely all "Saint fan traditionalists" should want a badge like the original 1885 badge if they follow through their own logic of no changes to Saints badges.

Nonsense.

for a start it hasn't changed since it's inception in the early seventies bar the odd tweak (most notably to the ball). And the fact is has stood for that long nearly forty years (not just any forty years but the most recent 40 years, and thus the 40 years people identify with most) suggest to me it is right and shouldn't be changed.

(And if it is changed I vote you aren't aloud any where near the drawing board as your creation looks cack)

[docker-p]

If you were a true traditionalist you'd want every kit to look like the 1885 kit.

 

Why don't you follow through your own logic? You have beaten yourself in this discussion

Had I been around in 1885 i would have argued that point, however that particular ship has sailed, and we are where we are. A club recognised the world over as playing in red and white stripes.

[Bearsy]

Perhaps the team could chip in by scoring 125 goals.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Had I been around in 1885 i would have argued that point, however that particular ship has sailed, and we are where we are. A club recognised the world over as playing in red and white stripes.

 

Accept your point about the stripes but we are talking about a one-off event here, celebrating our 125th.

No one is asking anyone to do away with the stripes. Just for one year a slightly different shirt that recognises what we first wore 125 years ago

Think you are overeacting a tad here Docker. No offence and all that polite stuff

[pilsburydoughboy]

Accept your point about the stripes but we are talking about a one-off event here, celebrating our 125th.

No one is asking anyone to do away with the stripes. Just for one year a slightly different shirt that recognises what we first wore 125 years ago

Think you are overeacting a tad here Docker. No offence and all that polite stuff

 

Docker-p overeacting i cannot believe it.

[Rory]

Saints kit 125 years ago looked like the picture below according to www.historicalkits.co.uk

 

 

2010/11 season kit imo should be in this style/colour scheme. The badge could change to something like the original badge aswell instead of the current badge which was designed in the 1970's.

 

Modern version of 1885 Kit

 

 

Badge (50% current 1970's designed badge and 50% 1885 badge)

 

Use this badge for 2010/11 season

 

 

:smt078:smt078

[Arizona]

Keep the badge, there's no real need to change it. With players, managers, boardrooms, kits and even stadiums and divisions coming and going, it's nice to have the odd bit of continuity.

 

As for the kits... Can we just have a well made variation of red and white. One where the shoulders match the panels and it doesn't look like bits of two different kits sewn together. By well made I mean the logos and sponsors don't fall off or run in the wash.

 

Oh and get rid of the ghastly flybe logo on the home kit. I don't mind the logo as such, but it's the fact that it's a big plastic sticker just slapped on the front.

[theyin]

For me, Arsenal have done the best kit/badge change in recent years. Let's be honest and don't get me wrong, I love our badge but it does have an air of amateurism in the design about it or is it seventiesish? I reckon MLG's hark back to 1885 is a winner (looks reminiscent of a South American team to me). I think we should celebrate our new future in our quasiconceptuallegodquicenturychannonennial188576 anniversary and show the world we ready for change and ready to host a world cup match or two.

There'll always be dissenters, I suspect there are loads still complaining at the Ars, sod em, a change is as good as a rest

[docker-p]

Accept your point about the stripes but we are talking about a one-off event here, celebrating our 125th.

No one is asking anyone to do away with the stripes. Just for one year a slightly different shirt that recognises what we first wore 125 years ago

Think you are overeacting a tad here Docker. No offence and all that polite stuff

Me, overreact? I'm saving that for when i have to chain myself to the Saints Shops door to prevent them selling bloody sashed shirts.

 

We can swap points about what we wore and when, (and lets face it, in our greatest moment we were in yellow); but to every reader of this forum, every Saints fan old and new, every football fan in this country, we are club defined as playing in red and white stripes, and thats why in our 125th we should be wearing those stripes

[Wilko]

I reckon our billionaire should celebrate it by following the lead of Randy Lerner by putting a good cause on the front of the shirt. Much better than selling out to an airline for a pittance.

[Thedelldays]

why are people not happy to have an airline on the shirt..?

[Kind of Red]

Awful designs for the shirt and emblem, rely to much on the past. Why not go totally futuristic, forget about past shirt designs and design something for the future!

[AussieDog]

Would love to see a copy of the original saints kit, along with some recognition of the 125 years, available as a leisure shirt (minus the advertising preferably - after all, they didn't have it back then! ). My own favourite Saints shirt was the one from the Keegan era, and I'd be happy to see something similar to that resurrected for our official 125th celebration playing strip

[RonManager]

I think there's enough room on the shirt to have as many badge designs as you want, perhaps grouped together across the chest in chronological order, left to right. Personally, I would like the shirt to have no sponsor across the chest for that season ie. a purely SFC shirt.

[Badger]

Would love to see a copy of the original saints kit, along with some recognition of the 125 years, available as a leisure shirt (minus the advertising preferably - after all, they didn't have it back then! ). My own favourite Saints shirt was the one from the Keegan era, and I'd be happy to see something similar to that resurrected for our official 125th celebration playing strip

 

I like the idea of an original shirt with the red sash as a leisure shirt.

 

If we are going retro for a season then r/w quarters or halves would be an option.The Keegan era should also get a revival at some stage.

 

I like the proposed badge,taking old and current concepts into account.Perhaps the old style ball would be more appropriate.

[Badger]

If it is going to be a red sash then it should be a solid stripe as per the original,as the Peru shirt ;

 

 

Be even more authentic if some of the players have a sash running in the opposite direction ie top at other -left- shoulder.

 

I have often wondered how the chaps with the wrong sashes were received by their team mates and club officials at the time.No doubt some wives or mothers were blamed.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I really think that the 125th anniversary is a lot more important than the arguing over shirt design suggests. I cannot believe people have sat here and argued about this as an issue when there is no agreement with the club to do anything anyway. Moreover, there really is more to this historic moment than what shirts to wear. I have posted up some more long lasting ideas already and would love for people to get back on track, use their brains and think of something that will be a lasting legacy for Southampton FC. Maybe something like sponsoring 125 under-privileged children across Africa, helping send them to school and such like. Then, come the 150th anniversary we can get them and their families over, give them some free tickets and so on and celebrate the impact we can have, not just on the pitch, but in the world as well. I would love to see those starving children twenty five years later, standing in the centre circle of St Mary's as successful adults. Who knows, one of them may be a great footballer by then! Or a coach or a scout? Let's do something meaningful.

[hamster]

..............Why not go totally futuristic, forget about past shirt designs and design something for the future!

 

Good shout, let's get some space age fabric that will enhance the teams performance and show off their talents, something like this:

 

 

 

 

Obviously without the helmets, that would be silly.

[Wiltshire Saint]

Good shout, let's get some space age fabric that will enhance the teams performance and show off their talents, something like this:

 

 

 

 

Obviously without the helmets, that would be silly.

 

The one 2nd from the right has the best penis.

[hamster]

The one 2nd from the right has the best penis.

 

Ah but the one far left has the nicest legs.

 

Each to his own I spose.

[Saint 76er]

This badge uses the original 1885 badge in the shield and also is recognizable to the modern fan as Saints with the scarf, halo and ball. A nice hybrid imo and still recognizable as Southampton.

 

 

Could use it as a one off season celebration of 125 years.

 

Nice try, but sorry this badge is a bit naff. The shield design looks like a military badge to me, a bit like the SAS badge maybe. It also has the YMCA name under it, a bit outdated now. By almost 125 years to be exact! Also the ball and scarf on top is, well, just plain ridiculous.

 

I agree the current badge could do with updating and this is an ideal time to do so with a move forwards to the future not back to the past. The badge was designed by a fan in the 1970's and, quite frankly, looks it. Whilst it has served us well, it is time to move on and the upcoming milestone seems an appropriate time.

 

This time, though, the badge should be professionally designed and should be modern but timeless (so we don't have to keep changing it). The best corporate logos are timeless and become associated with that company and are instantly recognizable.

 

Consequently, simplicity is usually the best way. Football clubs often try to pack too much onto their badge and it just becomes a mish mash. Ours looks like a travelogue of southern Hampshire and is not really representative of the FOOTBALL CLUB.

 

What is our club identity that we would want to portray to the world? I guess it can only be "The Saints". Therefore I would favour a stylized image of a saint, presumably with a football.

 

No doubt a graphic artist could produce something unique that could henceforth be associated by all and sundry as the corporate image for Southampton Football Club. Unfortunately our present logo looks a bit like something from a boy's own comic. Maybe Gecko Saint could offer some advice in this regard?

 

Perhaps the club do have something in mind as the away shirt does have a large embossed shield surrounded by laurel leaves underneath the current badge. The shield appears to contain wording to the effect of Southampton 125 years, I think. Maybe this will be more prominent next year?

 

Also, a good idea to have a charity on the shirt front, will show our caring side and you don't get much for sponsorship at this level anyway. However, I would imagine you can forget the "Peru" shirts or whatever. Presumably we will be stuck with an Umbro template shirt like everyone else. I doubt they will make a one off kit just for us, especially as we only sell in our own few shops and they won't make a killing with us. Sadly, we're just not the Man U of the shirt selling world...

[dronskisaint]

How about Celebrating with a Promotion

 

My first thought too ...but to which league?!

 

Foolish optimist that I am......

[Saint_John]

I would like the club to request a home game for the weekend of 20/21 Nov and then ask the opposition to play the game on the Sunday.

 

I felt that something was lost with the 100 year Centenery event because it was 9 days later on the 30th Nov (Everton) by which time we had lost to Sheff Wed (a) 1-2 (23 Nov) and lost at home to Arsenal (1-3) in the Milk Cup (26 Nov).

[Saint Without a Halo]

I wonder if the fans would be happy paying an extra £10 per match ticket to fund this..?

 

not as if tickets are not that expensive as it is for league 1..

 

someone has to help fund the man city style spending in league 1 if we want to try and do it the right way (with a little help from markus)

 

Couldn't agree more! We have already seen what it means to spend beyond our means and seem to have learnt nothing from it!

[Deano6]

Good shout, let's get some space age fabric that will enhance the teams performance and show off their talents, something like this:

 

 

 

 

Obviously without the helmets, that would be silly.

 

The one second from left has a penis just like mine. His balls are bigger tho.

[Rory]

Good shout, let's get some space age fabric that will enhance the teams performance and show off their talents, something like this:

 

 

 

 

Obviously without the helmets, that would be silly.

 

The guy in the middle looks like the comedian on C*ck...sorry...Mock the Week.

[John Boy Saint]

They only got rid of the blue "knickers" as they were referred to in those days because they found as the season progressed they got lighter and lighter in the wash.

 

Maybe for the away strip they go back to the Old Gold rather than the Yellow shirts

[benjii]

I agree completely with MLG. That kit and badge looks infinitely better than the current piece of cheap ****. We haven't had a decent kit since 89/90.

[theyin]

just looking on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru_national_football_team page. Just as an aside, I wondered if Southampton's maritime links go back to the early days of football in the country and if there was any influence on the national side's attire from sailors from our fair city telling them about the mighty Saints playing in their red and white. Take a look down the page where it charts their kit design, which goes from stripes to sash a reverse of our own kit design.

 

It seems football began there like this....

 

Football was brought to Peru by English sailors in the late 19th century during their frequent visits to the port of Callao, which was then an important port of the Pacific Ocean.[8] During their free time, the English sailors played football and invited the local Chalacos (people from Callao) to participate. Allegedly, it was during these early games that the creation of the popular move known as the chalaca (short for "Chalacan Strike"), or bicycle kick, took place.[9] Football in Peru grew thanks to its practice by British residents of Peru and its adoption by Peruvians returning from England.

 

Any historians able to shed any light? (I'm tempted to put a call into the Wool House museum as well)

 

Though Wilstshire dismisses the most visible way the anniversary can be celebrated, he has a point about other more worthy things that could be done to mark the occasion. Time to get our thinking caps on and pop off our ideas to Mr Cortese.

[Badger]

They only got rid of the blue "knickers" as they were referred to in those days because they found as the season progressed they got lighter and lighter in the wash.

 

Maybe for the away strip they go back to the Old Gold rather than the Yellow shirts

 

On the subject of our "knickers" getting lighter and lighter,lets not forget that had Hoddle remained then for our first season at St Mary's he was insisting on white shorts ! Thank Christ he moved on before implementing such a violation.

 

As for the away kit I have believed for ages that we should have a return to our traditional amber (not old gold as per the Wolves kit) and black kit.

 

 

 

 

I agree completely with MLG. That kit and badge looks infinitely better than the current piece of cheap ****. We haven't had a decent kit since 89/90.

 

Agree the badge is an improvement over the current hotch potch,but think we have had some decent traditional striped kits in recent years.

[Badger]

just looking on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru_national_football_team page. Just as an aside, I wondered if Southampton's maritime links go back to the early days of football in the country Time to get our thinking caps on and pop off our ideas to Mr Cortese.

 

You might be right about this but I doubt the Peru team strip is anyway connected to our original kit.

 

It probably has more to do with their own national colours (obviously),and possibly a flag used by Spanish territories which included Peru as mentioned below:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_New_Spain.svg

[Charlie2008]

As for the kits... Can we just have a well made variation of red and white. One where the shoulders match the panels and it doesn't look like bits of two different kits sewn together. By well made I mean the logos and sponsors don't fall off or run in the wash.

 

Oh and get rid of the ghastly flybe logo on the home kit. I don't mind the logo as such, but it's the fact that it's a big plastic sticker just slapped on the front.

 

Let's make sure it's one us 'big heads' canget our our heads through. A couple of seasons ago I felt like I was being born again everytime I put it on.

 

Agree about the Flybe logo. Always the first thing to wash off. Hardly an endorsement for an airline...I wouldn't be tempted into their crates.

[hamster]

Would it warrant a Saints Museum? Doesn't have to be open all week.

[Badger]

Would it warrant a Saints Museum? Doesn't have to be open all week.

 

I suspect this will be on Cortese's long term plans,but probably more fundamental matters to take care of internally first.

 

Or perhaps he and Markus have agreed it will be integrated into the new stand development in time for the 2018 World Cup.

[forever a red and white]

leave the badge alone, just put a little thing round it that says 125 years

 

for the kit, red and white stripes get rid of sponsor put badge in middle. Simple and doesn't ruin the kit or badge and reprsents the club just fine. Our badge at the moment is perfect and does need nor should it be changed

[Badger]

leave the badge alone,

... Our badge at the moment is perfect and does need nor should it be changed

 

Sorry but I disagree the current badge is anything but perfect,it is far too cluttered in my view,and with the ball and scarf in particular looks like something befitting a junior club.

 

I tend to agree with the following comments:

 

 

 

....the current badge could do with updating and this is an ideal time to do so with a move forwards to the future not back to the past. The badge was designed by a fan in the 1970's and, quite frankly, looks it. Whilst it has served us well, it is time to move on and the upcoming milestone seems an appropriate time.

 

This time, though, the badge should be professionally designed and should be modern but timeless (so we don't have to keep changing it). The best corporate logos are timeless and become associated with that company and are instantly recognizable.

 

Consequently, simplicity is usually the best way. Football clubs often try to pack too much onto their badge and it just becomes a mish mash. Ours looks like a travelogue of southern Hampshire and is not really representative of the FOOTBALL CLUB.

 

 

 

No doubt a graphic artist could produce something unique that could henceforth be associated by all and sundry as the corporate image for Southampton Football Club. Unfortunately our present logo looks a bit like something from a boy's own comic. Maybe Gecko Saint could offer some advice in this regard?

 

...

 

Not entirely sure about backing a graphic artist to have the final say with some of the creations they have produced,ie Arsenal.

[saint stu 20]

I personally think we should do something similar to what Barcelona did a few years back and just have a gold embroidary saying 125th year anniversary or something along those lines around the badge

[Frank's cousin]

I like the modern version of the original kit by Mathew Le god, needs 125 years on the badge though. Also how about Marcus has a word with the family & gets the Liebherr group to sponsor us.

 

...althought the literal translation of Liebherr is lovemr - which could by our rivals be considered rather close to manlove? ;-)

[Badger]

...althought the literal translation of Liebherr is lovemr - which could by our rivals be considered rather close to manlove? ;-)

 

This was mooted at the time of his purchase.I'm sure a German speaker on here put it right and said that a more accurate translation would be "dear Mr " rather than "love Mr".

 

An anglicised version of the surname is probably Goodman.

 

As for Liebherr sponsorship,b0ll0cks to the rivals,I'd rather be sponsored by Liebherr than the likes of TY or jobsh!te for example.

[Saint 76er]

Sorry but I disagree the current badge is anything but perfect,it is far too cluttered in my view,and with the ball and scarf in particular looks like something befitting a junior club.

 

I tend to agree with the following comments:

 

 

 

 

Not entirely sure about backing a graphic artist to have the final say with some of the creations they have produced,ie Arsenal.

 

Thanks for your support Badger and I agree with you that the ball and scarf does look rather juvenile, it simply does not look professional and neither does the rest of the badge TBH.

 

I've tried hard to like that badge, and it has it's moments with me, but on the whole there is a certain feeling of cringe worthiness that just won't go away.

 

Consequently, I'm backing a professional design for a completely new badge. Something simple but classy (current one def not that) and representative of the club and it's image, not of the Hampshire tourist bureau!

 

Don't worry about the graphic artist, someone who knows how to draw has to do it and surely several designs would be submitted for the club to choose from (or indeed reject and start again if they wish).

[Matthew Le God]

I have a theory that all those saying "leave the badge alone!" have a tattoo of the 1970's designed Saints badge and would feel silly if the 40 year old badge changed even though the club didn't have that badge for the first 85 years of history.