Glasgow_Saint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Guys – please, let’s just wait and see what happens....all this ‘we could do this & might do that’ is pointless. We have our club back and that’s all that counts. We also have AP as our manager (who I trust by the way) and we have a billionaire owner and other great stuff. What we don’t have (and will NEVER have) is a pre-season for 2009. Lets just chillax, take it slow and let the good times flow. If we get relegated this season I won’t care because without a pre-season this is what we should expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Nick you should get a job with the Labour Party - they are in need of a "feel good" spin doctor now Campbell has gone. How long did you have this post prepared? Are you related to AP? Beware, as ever, raising expectations, your arse will get bitten! Reason enough to sack Pardew now I would have throught. It is an asolutely disgraceful record which leaves almost no room for the sort of negative moaning that is so popular on here. But I am sure that they will see someone to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Guys – please, let’s just wait and see what happens....all this ‘we could do this & might do that’ is pointless. We have our club back and that’s all that counts. We also have AP as our manager (who I trust by the way) and we have a billionaire owner and other great stuff. What we don’t have (and will NEVER have) is a pre-season for 2009. Lets just chillax, take it slow and let the good times flow. If we get relegated this season I won’t care because without a pre-season this is what we should expect. I agreed with your post until he last sentence - which was, IMO, completely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 I agreed with your post until he last sentence - which was, IMO, completely ridiculous. Yes sorry I got a bit carried away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Yes sorry I got a bit carried away! I doubt anybody in this league was expecting relegation, so we definitely shouldn't have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Guys – please, let’s just wait and see what happens....all this ‘we could do this & might do that’ is pointless. We have our club back and that’s all that counts. We also have AP as our manager (who I trust by the way) and we have a billionaire owner and other great stuff. What we don’t have (and will NEVER have) is a pre-season for 2009. Lets just chillax, take it slow and let the good times flow. If we get relegated this season I won’t care because without a pre-season this is what we should expect. I presume you are joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Reason enough to sack Pardew now I would have throught. It is an asolutely disgraceful record which leaves almost no room for the sort of negative moaning that is so popular on here. But I am sure that they will see someone to complain about. Fitzhugh's grumpy because he cant get a job as the "team historian" lol ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Fitzhugh's grumpy because he cant get a job as the "team historian" lol ! It comes to something when people get a bit upset when a poster points out what a good run we are or have been on. After 5 years of almost wall to wall dross I for one am enjoying seeing a big fat W in the W,D,L column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 It comes to something when people get a bit upset when a poster points out what a good run we are or have been on. After 5 years of almost wall to wall dross I for one am enjoying seeing a big fat W in the W,D,L column. I must admit to being slightly bemused as to why people think Nick is brainwashing people. ALL he did was post up the results of the last eleven games. Hardly a crime and it's actually quite pleasant to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle. You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best. Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion? I thought that's what people do on forums? Big Flaws in our our team in all areas?? Christ, I'd like to know how we would be doing if they were fixed... What comes after winning? Super winning? Double winning? Hyper-winning? When does the extra point kick in. Bloody hell, I go away on a project for a few days and the rules change again? Have we got video refs and binned the off-side rule yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert WON Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert WON Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman WON Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2) WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo good run that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 good run that! Like I said i dont know whay some people are picking holes in your posting of facts ! I bet that run is as good, if not better than any other in the country right now and its about bloody time we had something to be proud of on a football pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 I must admit to being slightly bemused as to why people think Nick is brainwashing people. ALL he did was post up the results of the last eleven games. Hardly a crime and it's actually quite pleasant to see. Makes better viewing than the last few seasons thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 I must admit to being slightly bemused as to why people think Nick is brainwashing people. ALL he did was post up the results of the last eleven games. Hardly a crime and it's actually quite pleasant to see. Can you please, please, please ask NickG to STOP sending me the below and similar images together with the last 11 results underneath. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Incase anyone is wandering about my avatar I can confirm that I was approached by KFC today and they asked to sponsor me on SWF for the next 2 seasons. Thanks also to everyone for the kind PMs I recieve daily - thanking me for my contribution here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Nick G- I agree, after so many seasons of total dross, our record over the last 11 games have cheered me up. FF- in the context of world football, or even what we had under WGS, it is probably grasping at a small ray of hope, but I believe after several false dawns over the last few seasons we have bottomed out. Yes, I was one of those looneys who still thought we could get a point when the board went up after 90 minutes against Brighton. It's that optimism that I have lacked for the last six years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Nick G- I agree, after so many seasons of total dross, our record over the last 11 games have cheered me up. FF- in the context of world football, or even what we had under WGS, it is probably grasping at a small ray of hope, but I believe after several false dawns over the last few seasons we have bottomed out. Yes, I was one of those looneys who still thought we could get a point when the board went up after 90 minutes against Brighton. It's that optimism that I have lacked for the last six years! Kingsland - there is no doubt the only way is up now - we have survived all the **** that all clubs will have to navigate ie new ground (just look at Everton) and administration (loads of clubs facing that). Great we have come out the other side financially secure albeit in the 3rd tier. I have no doubt within 2 years we will be a CCC team and there is a good chance we can make the Prem (if it still exists) within another 2 years. However right now we are very much in transition and the whole point of me daring to criticise NickG's fluffy optimism is to make sure we keep a sense of perspective. I have never been one to say I have caught a fish until it is frying in my pan and imo NickG is just a little too gung ho with his exuberance. However having said that Nick is quite entitled to offer his optimistic view on life and there is nothing wrong with cheering Hypo up (no offence) with a load of stats with W in it. We all need a genuine lift after the last 5 years as you correctly point out. But I bet you AP does not subscribe to this beating of the chest, haven't we done well mentality. Personally I like to celebrate after the ref's final whistle not while we are still languishing in a relegation position. As Nick said earlier it is all about personality and how we all view Saints and our support but there are two sides to every spun coin and those that would rather not count their chickens (or fish) before the whistle has blown should be allowed their say, without prejudice. Cheers anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 A few weeks ago when this idea started about us reaching the play-offs, we were 11 points behind. Now, 6 or 7 games later we are 13 points behind. By any standards that is regression not progression. Forget the play-offs and look forward to maybe a top-ten finish, for which we should be grateful all things considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 FF- No probs with the differing views and expectations on this forum, its what we all enjoy. Me - I enjoy the journey rather than the arrival. Once the season ends we move on, where ever we are ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Kingsland - there is no doubt the only way is up now - we have survived all the **** that all clubs will have to navigate ie new ground (just look at Everton) and administration (loads of clubs facing that). Great we have come out the other side financially secure albeit in the 3rd tier. I have no doubt within 2 years we will be a CCC team and there is a good chance we can make the Prem (if it still exists) within another 2 years. However right now we are very much in transition and the whole point of me daring to criticise NickG's fluffy optimism is to make sure we keep a sense of perspective. I have never been one to say I have caught a fish until it is frying in my pan and imo NickG is just a little too gung ho with his exuberance. However having said that Nick is quite entitled to offer his optimistic view on life and there is nothing wrong with cheering Hypo up (no offence) with a load of stats with W in it. We all need a genuine lift after the last 5 years as you correctly point out. But I bet you AP does not subscribe to this beating of the chest, haven't we done well mentality. Personally I like to celebrate after the ref's final whistle not while we are still languishing in a relegation position. As Nick said earlier it is all about personality and how we all view Saints and our support but there are two sides to every spun coin and those that would rather not count their chickens (or fish) before the whistle has blown should be allowed their say, without prejudice. Cheers anyway. Ok fair point FF, We may not have caught the fish yet but at least we have bought a dirty great big boat with an effing huge net. Lets just hope someone works out how to get the thing into the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 if we moan all season, and finish mid table we wont have had much fun with our hobby. if we enjoy the football, look up and hope - whilst there is still some chance - that we make play offs, and finish mid table, we maybe disappointed at the end - but would have had a great year enjoying saints. if anyone thinks that fans celebrating on here can make the manager or players complacent, they are thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 No one on an Internet forum ever made me more or less ambitious/optimistic about anything but a few have made me suicidally depressed. If you can't keep a sense of perspective but still dream, you're not a football fan, you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 if we moan all season, and finish mid table we wont have had much fun with our hobby. if we enjoy the football, look up and hope - whilst there is still some chance - that we make play offs, and finish mid table, we maybe disappointed at the end - but would have had a great year enjoying saints. if anyone thinks that fans celebrating on here can make the manager or players complacent, they are thick. That's how I see it. After all, the whole of last season when we had a load of L instead of W in the results column, I moaned and was pessimistic. Now we are getting some wins I'm going to enjoy them! It may be that we lose 5 in a row now but me being happy about our last 11 results isn't going to affect what happens. Try and appreciate the good times Duncan, you never know you may enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 That's how I see it. After all, the whole of last season when we had a load of L instead of W in the results column, I moaned and was pessimistic. Now we are getting some wins I'm going to enjoy them! It may be that we lose 5 in a row now but me being happy about our last 11 results isn't going to affect what happens. Try and appreciate the good times Duncan, you never know you may enjoy it! Hypo - you should have seen me at 9:45 when the Hartlepool win was confirmed. Having been a Saints fan a long time now I just don't count my chickens - sorry it was the way I was brought up. If you think I am bad you should meet my Dad - he's twice as bad and drives me mad with his pessimistic view. If we beat Man Utd in the Champions League final 6-0 my Dad's first comment would be something along the lines "don't think our centre-half coped very well with Rooney!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 That's how I see it. After all, the whole of last season when we had a load of L instead of W in the results column, I moaned and was pessimistic. Now we are getting some wins I'm going to enjoy them! It may be that we lose 5 in a row now but me being happy about our last 11 results isn't going to affect what happens. Try and appreciate the good times Duncan, you never know you may enjoy it! I am very happy with the results over the last couple of months, I am not happy with the statisticall analysis which I feel is biased. Of course I would like to see us get to the play offs but we are further away from them now than we were at the beginning of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 deja vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November, 2009 who's counting their chickens? This thread was looking back and enjoying facts. I don't think we will get promoted which is what we are after but Pardew has engineered a huge improvement in performance and its worth enjoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November, 2009 WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert WON Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert WON Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman WON Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2) WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo I am very happy with the results over the last couple of months, I am not happy with the statisticall analysis which I feel is biased. Of course I would like to see us get to the play offs but we are further away from them now than we were at the beginning of the season there you go, one without any analysis or comment and not biased - just a fact - enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 who's counting their chickens? This thread was looking back and enjoying facts. I don't think we will get promoted which is what we are after but Pardew has engineered a huge improvement in performance and its worth enjoying. Saints are still in the bottom 4 after 20 games! Took Leeds just 10 games to rise out the season they started on -15. I therefore cant agree that AP has "engineered a huge improvement" L1 is complete guff and we have bought some of the best players availible - on that basis the season summary so far probably reads "must do better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 I am very happy with the results over the last couple of months, I am not happy with the statisticall analysis which I feel is biased. Of course I would like to see us get to the play offs but we are further away from them now than we were at the beginning of the season Which specific part of the statistical analysis do you believe to be biased? And who mentioned the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Saints are still in the bottom 4 after 20 games! Took Leeds just 10 games to rise out the season they started on -15. I therefore cant agree that AP has "engineered a huge improvement" L1 is complete guff and we have bought some of the best players availible - on that basis the season summary so far probably reads "must do better" I think you need to read the original post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 (edited) Saints are still in the bottom 4 after 20 games! Took Leeds just 10 games to rise out the season they started on -15. I therefore cant agree that AP has "engineered a huge improvement" L1 is complete guff and we have bought some of the best players availible - on that basis the season summary so far probably reads "must do better" If we reach the playoffs which is still well within our compass we will have outperformed Leeds. At the moment any comparison is meaningless irrespective of the different circumstances which have been ignored. If you want a real analysis of this season why not compare the performance to date against our previous six seasons... Edited 27 November, 2009 by Legod Third Coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 If we reach the playoffs which is still well within our compass we will have outperformed Leeds. At the moment any comparison is meaningless irrespective of the different circumstances which have been ignored. If you want a real analysis if this season why not compare the performance to date against our previous six seasons... Leeds made the playoffs after starting on -15 You cant compare this season with the last 6 as we were not in L1. The one season we did spend money similar to our spend this (comparatively) we made the playoff and missed out only on PK's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 I think you need to read the original post again. No need you and NickG have repeated it for us all 15 times :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 I am very happy with the results over the last couple of months, I am not happy with the statisticall analysis which I feel is biased. Of course I would like to see us get to the play offs but we are further away from them now than we were at the beginning of the season I agree its biased: Nick chose a run of 11 games, all of which were against teams OUTSIDE the top 8. Apart from Charlton And Norwich And Brisstle Rovers And MK Dons From which we got 3 wins and a draw, 10 points from 4 games. So your analysis was somewhat pessimistic, Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Which specific part of the statistical analysis do you believe to be biased? And who mentioned the playoffs? Perhaps biased is not the correct to get meaningful statistical results you need to have figures over as long a time as possible For instance over the last ten years The Points needed to reach 6th place is 76 08/09 76 07/08 75 06/07 71 05/06 71 04/05 73 03/04 81 02/03 78 01/02 75 00/01 82 99/00 AVG 75.8 where as over five years is less. Also there is no analysis of how other clubs are doing and based on the season so far what the likely points figure for 6th position is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 The difference might be that Leeds flew out of the starting blocks and faded a bit before the finish. We stumbled out of the blocks and tripped up, but are now gaining all the time. We'll see what happens, but I'm enjoying it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 November, 2009 this thread seems to have turned into an arguement between people thinking the playoffs are unlikely and those thinking the play offs are unlikely! The OP doesn't say we are cruising to the play offs ffs - it says we are on a good run! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 No need you and NickG have repeated it for us all 15 times :confused: Did I? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Perhaps biased is not the correct to get meaningful statistical results you need to have figures over as long a time as possible For instance over the last ten years The Points needed to reach 6th place is 76 08/09 76 07/08 75 06/07 71 05/06 71 04/05 73 03/04 81 02/03 78 01/02 75 00/01 82 99/00 AVG 75.8 where as over five years is less. Also there is no analysis of how other clubs are doing and based on the season so far what the likely points figure for 6th position is Was there a statement saying we will make the playoffs? I think some posters are seeing some information on this thread which I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Last 4 league games: WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2) 5 points out of 12. Not such a great run after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 I therefore cant agree that AP has "engineered a huge improvement" You do remember how utterly ****e we were 2nd half of last season, right? And that we lost the best players from that side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Was there a statement saying we will make the playoffs? I think some posters are seeing some information on this thread which I am not. There is the general impression I would have thought on the Forum but not in this thread perhaps that 76 points will see us to the play offs. As Posted Originally Posted by ChrisPY Last 5 years the following averages were required to achieve each position. 1st - 85.2 2nd - 82 6th - 71.8 12th - 61.2 20th - 49.8 There are 28 games remaining. Saints need approx. the following ammount of points. 1st - 69.2 (2.5 per game) 2nd - 66 (2.4 per game) 6th - 55.8 (2 per game) 12th - 45.2 (1.6 per game) 20th - 33.8 (1.2 per game) 1st - Win 21 Draw 6 Lose 1 2nd - Win 20 Draw 6 Lose 2 6th - Win 17 Draw 5 Lose 6 12th - Win 13 Draw 6 Lose 9 20th - Win 9 Draw 7 Lose 12 Last 10 League Games Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 2. If that form continues we will gain 14 Wins 8 Draws 6 Losses and 50 points We'll then finish somewhere between 6th and 12th which will be a good achievement IMO considering the points deduction and the lack of pre season affecting the start of the season. It may well do but it may not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 You do remember how utterly ****e we were 2nd half of last season, right? And that we lost the best players from that side? I agree we lost some higher profile players - but 'best' is not a word I use to describe the likes of McGoaldrick, BWP, Euell ect. Infact for each player out we have a better player in, in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 I'm a little lost. All NickG did was post up our last eleven results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Last 5 years the following averages were required to achieve each position. 1st - 85.2 2nd - 82 6th - 71.8 12th - 61.2 20th - 49.8 There are 28 games remaining. Saints need approx. the following ammount of points. 1st - 69.2 (2.5 per game) 2nd - 66 (2.4 per game) 6th - 55.8 (2 per game) 12th - 45.2 (1.6 per game) 20th - 33.8 (1.2 per game) 1st - Win 21 Draw 6 Lose 1 2nd - Win 20 Draw 6 Lose 2 6th - Win 17 Draw 5 Lose 6 12th - Win 13 Draw 6 Lose 9 20th - Win 9 Draw 7 Lose 12 Last 10 League Games Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 2. If that form continues we will gain 14 Wins 8 Draws 6 Losses and 50 points We'll then finish somewhere between 6th and 12th which will be a good achievement IMO considering the points deduction and the lack of pre season affecting the start of the season. I am very happy with the results over the last couple of months, I am not happy with the statisticall analysis which I feel is biased. Of course I would like to see us get to the play offs but we are further away from them now than we were at the beginning of the season Some of the comments on here are suggesting that to reach the play offs are unrealistic because it would require an average of 2 points a game. Then I guess it would be unrealistic that we will get automatic promotion next year or the year after because we will need a similar return of points to do so. So on that basis maybe we should aim a lot lower next season and target 6th place. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 So on that basis maybe we should aim a lot lower next season and target 6th place. :confused: Very interesting point. I think perhaps we should just try and win as many games as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Yeah but you were born with your head in the sand Hypo. Yes it looks good but drop the line a bit and it doesn't look so good. Its called spin, man wake up to it. Oh dear Duncan, you seem to be morphing into Alpine! Can't you just enjoy the fact that we are having a decent run of form for a change? It is hardly "spin" in the way New Labour used it is it? It is a list of the last 11 games and for the first time in years we have won lots of matches. Enjoy! It won't stop the Usual Suspects from calling for Pardew's head next time we lose mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 this thread seems to have turned into an arguement between people thinking the playoffs are unlikely and those thinking the play offs are unlikely! The OP doesn't say we are cruising to the play offs ffs - it says we are on a good run! God forbid you should raise anything positive Nick, you know how the wrist slitters on here hate any good news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 November, 2009 Share Posted 27 November, 2009 Nick is clearly Alistair Campbell in disguise. Probably better than being Victor Meldrew in disguise though eh Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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