Last 11 games

[NickG]

2.11 points per game need for promotion

over the last 11 games we got 2.36 points per game

over the last 6 we managed 1.83

 

over last two games, 2.0!

[Saint_clark]

over last two games, 2.0!

 

Over the last 24 hours we're averaging 3 points a game, anyone care to work out how many we would end up on should we continue that form?

[NickG]

Over the last 24 hours we're averaging 3 points a game, anyone care to work out how many we would end up on should we continue that form?

 

exactly 100 points. Can't see it

[red&white56]

WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert

Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly

LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert

WON Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert

WON Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio

Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2)

WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman

WON Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2)

WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo

 

I've only been to two of these games Leyton and Brighton (plus Colchester and Milwall)- so am I am jinx and should I stop going to watch Saints ?????

[JibMcdo]

im sure we drew against torquay

 

lol

 

I'm sure had Saints lost the penalty shoot-out you'd be saying it was a loss so we'll take that comment with a pinch of salt.

 

lol

[St_Tel49]

So the play offs are back on again i see.

The play offs are only on if we win virtually all remaining games. We have to win 5 MORE games than the team in current 6th place to get there - not likely in my opinion. -10 and a slow start have undermined our chances. I am not saying it cannot be done - only that it is a huge ask.

[westofshannonsaint]

But you are more of a nerd than me

 

[westofshannonsaint]

to cement my place as king nerd I decided to put together a spreadsheet,

 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApLs1iWbOTHedHFPNUxIMnJiSzM0Nk9RNmFlcDdObGc&hl=en

[Fitzhugh Fella]

One game at a time. COYR

 

That makes sense.

 

Play off talk is far-fetched and not a little arrogant at present.

 

Great to win but let's get out of the bottom 4 first and keep our feet firmly on the ground. There are still big flaws in that team and yet Nick seems on a one man mission to convince us all that Saints can do no wrong. There is a difference to being positive and gung-ho.

 

And Hypo, no offence but you remind me of Black Adder's mate in the trenches, was he called George?

Edited 25 November, 2009 by Fitzhugh Fella
Couldn't spell positive - obviously don't use it enough!

[red&white56]

to cement my place as king nerd I decided to put together a spreadsheet,

 

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApLs1iWbOTHedHFPNUxIMnJiSzM0Nk9RNmFlcDdObGc&hl=en

 

But we've only played 18 games with a reward of 16 points - you seems to be a game ahead of the rest of us - or do you have a crystal ball ??

[NickG]

That makes sense.

 

Play off talk is far-fetched and not a little arrogant at present.

 

Great to win but let's get out of the bottom 4 first and keep our feet firmly on the ground. There are still big flaws in that team and yet Nick seems on a one man mission to convince us all that Saints can do no wrong. There is a difference to being positive and gung-ho.

 

And Hypo, no offence but you remind me of Black Adder's mate in the trenches, was he called George?

 

you seem to have a very high view of the power of my posts!

 

I can ensure you my enjoying the best run for years has no impact on the team.

 

If you read carefully you will see that nearly every time I mention the good run I say I cannot see this lasting.

 

If you don't enjoy these posts -and they will continue as long as the good form does! Ignore them and get over it - you are starting to sound personal and obsessed!

[Glasgow_Saint]

I've only been to two of these games Leyton and Brighton (plus Colchester and Milwall)- so am I am jinx and should I stop going to watch Saints ?????

 

Yes!

[John B]

That makes sense.

 

Play off talk is far-fetched and not a little arrogant at present.

 

Great to win but let's get out of the bottom 4 first and keep our feet firmly on the ground. There are still big flaws in that team and yet Nick seems on a one man mission to convince us all that Saints can do no wrong. There is a difference to being positive and gung-ho.

 

And Hypo, no offence but you remind me of Black Adder's mate in the trenches, was he called George?

 

Just concerned a little that we dont seem to beat the teams at the top of League which Nick Gs stats never seem to take into account

[Fitzhugh Fella]

you seem to have a very high view of the power of my posts!

 

I can ensure you my enjoying the best run for years has no impact on the team.

 

If you read carefully you will see that nearly every time I mention the good run I say I cannot see this lasting.

 

If you don't enjoy these posts -and they will continue as long as the good form does! Ignore them and get over it - you are starting to sound personal and obsessed!

 

Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle.

 

You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best.

 

Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion?

I thought that's what people do on forums?

[sussexsaint]

I can't remember the last time we had a run of form like that - it will be such a good feeling to finally get out of the botom 4 though - I know we are only 13 points from playoffs and if we get on even points with anyone above we will leap up as our goal difference is so much better than anyone in the bottom 2/3 of the table, but is is also true that we are only 3 points off bottom as well

[alpine_saint]

Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle.

 

You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best.

 

Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion?

I thought that's what people do on forums?

 

Nick is clearly Alistair Campbell in disguise.

[Harry Faz]

Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle.

 

You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best.

 

Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion?

I thought that's what people do on forums?

 

Isnt the point of that we should enjoy the relatively good form, playing good attractive football - the last few years have been awful, so I think we should 'enjoy' this up-turn. Yes there are areas in need of improvement, we do ship too many goals - and we do have a real hill to climb to get promoted - but I think the point of the thread is that things are much better than they were, not perfect, but better? And for me thats worth noting.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

how is that fickle?

 

 

I think everyone is delighted with good wins, but complacency stops improvement. There are defensive issues and if a slow back 4 is inadequately protected by midfield, we become overly reliant on the strikers doing the business. When we play 424 there is a lack of pace in midfield as well as in defence, and that is something that needs improving.

 

I bet when Woodward was here you were one of those who went on and on about him being able to bring "lots of 1% improvements in lots of areas " which was going to make such a difference. But when people point out that there are some areas of major significance that need addressing you (and 19C even more so) just roll out yet more complacency. I'm not trying to resurrect an SCW debate, just pointing out the inconsistency.

 

Many fans are would-be managers and are always looking for areas where improvement can be made. Wouldn't you rather Pardew do that than just sit back and read your stats in self-congratulation?

[slickmick]

Posters get slated for being negative all the time and now people get slated for being positive. :confused:

I for one like the look of those stats. I would rather the players look at Nicks stats other than keep looking at our position in the league table.

Which one would motivate the players most ?

 

As you say Duncan, there is still a lot of work to be done but I'm sure every club and its fans are saying the same thing. Even Leeds nearly struggled to score against Orient last night, so they can't be that great.

[forever a red and white]

always good reading but will be even better when the table makes better reading as well.

 

The only complaint is no clean sheet in 13 games, needs to be sorted.

[NickG]

Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle.

 

You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best.

 

Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion?

I thought that's what people do on forums?

 

its pretty quick with cut and paste and adding 6 words!

 

How can a list of results be one sided?

 

I have never said it is all rosy but if you can't enjoy this sort of run I suggest you get a new hobby?

 

Think we should agree to disagree as we clearly have different views/approaches/personalities or whatever.

 

As I said I will, and many others seem to, keep enjoying this good run while it lasts. There are numerous threads to moan/slag of players/constructively criticise etc so if you don't like these....

[NickG]

Nick is clearly Alistair Campbell in disguise.

 

I wonder who people on here would see you?

[hypochondriac]

That makes sense.

 

Play off talk is far-fetched and not a little arrogant at present.

 

Great to win but let's get out of the bottom 4 first and keep our feet firmly on the ground. There are still big flaws in that team and yet Nick seems on a one man mission to convince us all that Saints can do no wrong. There is a difference to being positive and gung-ho.

 

And Hypo, no offence but you remind me of Black Adder's mate in the trenches, was he called George?

 

No he isn't. You are determined to see things which aren't there and I believe you have a pretty low opinion of fellow saints fans to think that they will look solely at the last 11 games just because Nick has posted them up. Seriously who is it hurting? Oh and when you start something with no offence you know exactly what it's designed to do. I apologise if someone has a different opinion to yourself.

[Harry Faz]

I think everyone is delighted with good wins, but complacency stops improvement. There are defensive issues and if a slow back 4 is inadequately protected by midfield, we become overly reliant on the strikers doing the business. When we play 424 there is a lack of pace in midfield as well as in defence, and that is something that needs improving.

 

I bet when Woodward was here you were one of those who went on and on about him being able to bring "lots of 1% improvements in lots of areas " which was going to make such a difference. But when people point out that there are some areas of major significance that need addressing you (and 19C even more so) just roll out yet more complacency. I'm not trying to resurrect an SCW debate, just pointing out the inconsistency.

 

Many fans are would-be managers and are always looking for areas where improvement can be made. Wouldn't you rather Pardew do that than just sit back and read your stats in self-congratulation?

 

But this isnt about Pardew and what he does, yes sure he needs to avoid complacency and put things right that arent working, that is what he is paid for. This is about supporters enjoying an up-turn in our performance, having watched absolute tosh last year, cant we do that? . Pardew wont be influenced by a few posters on a message board enjoying saints upturn, will he?

[slickmick]

Nick is clearly Alistair Campbell in disguise.

 

I wonder who people on here would see you?

 

 

Can I have first go ? Victor Meldrew

[NickG]

I think everyone is delighted with good wins, but complacency stops improvement. There are defensive issues and if a slow back 4 is inadequately protected by midfield, we become overly reliant on the strikers doing the business. When we play 424 there is a lack of pace in midfield as well as in defence, and that is something that needs improving.

 

I bet when Woodward was here you were one of those who went on and on about him being able to bring "lots of 1% improvements in lots of areas " which was going to make such a difference. But when people point out that there are some areas of major significance that need addressing you (and C even more so) just roll out yet more complacency. I'm not trying to resurrect an SCOW debate, just pointing out the inconsistency.

 

Many fans are would-be managers and are always looking for areas where improvement can be made. Wouldn't you rather Pardew do that than just sit back and read your stats in self-congratulation?

 

I was thinking just that when received a pm last night from Pardew saying having read this thread he is going to relax now:confused:#

 

Really wish I hadn't made the team complacent by posting this, I naively thought it was just for fans to enjoy the good times - but no the player/manager now mistakenly think the work is done. Sorry.

[SNSUN]

So the play offs are back on again i see.

 

WHAT?!?!?!?! After we lost that one game against Brighton, I thought our world was about to end! :-D

[hypochondriac]

Posters get slated for being negative all the time and now people get slated for being positive. :confused:

I for one like the look of those stats. I would rather the players look at Nicks stats other than keep looking at our position in the league table.

Which one would motivate the players most ?

 

As you say Duncan, there is still a lot of work to be done but I'm sure every club and its fans are saying the same thing. Even Leeds nearly struggled to score against Orient last night, so they can't be that great.

 

Yep. It's not like Nick has twisted the facts. In case people weren't aware, we have played more than 11 games but Nick's only put up 11 because it shows us on a great little run and I for one enjoy looking at all the wins we have had recently. The other games don't look so good but I don't really have to say that because everyone else has a brain and would realise that. What is wrong with some people.

[hypochondriac]

I was thinking just that when received a pm last night from Pardew saying having read this thread he is going to relax now:confused:#

 

Really wish I hadn't made the team complacent by posting this, I naively thought it was just for fans to enjoy the good times - but no the player/manager now mistakenly think the work is done. Sorry.

 

Pardew told me that he is sending the players on a three day drinking binge as a result of this thread

[Glasgow_Saint]

I think we may have un-covered one of the Multi Accounts / Users - step forward Hypo and NickG!?

 

You realise Baj has an Amnesty running - take the opportunity to hand yourself in! winky thing

[hypochondriac]

Nick it is you who are obsessed - look at the time of your OP, you were obviously primed and ready to go with your crafted spin at the final whistle.

 

You paint a one-sided picture with your carefully selected stats (a politician's trick if ever there was one) and before you know it there is talk of play offs etc when the reality is we are still only 3 points (last night's win if you like) from bottom place and would only be 11th if we got our 10 points back. We are building slowly but like I said there are big flaws in our team in all areas which suggests realistic expectations this season, despite your fluffy stats, should be no more than mid-table at best.

 

Just my thoughts Nick - I am sorry if you have a problem with me disputing your "everything is rosy" opinion?

I thought that's what people do on forums?

 

Listen here, what part are you finding difficult to comprehend? I went to almost every single game last year and the year before that. On the whole I was served up absolute tosh. I had my hopes crushed game after game and to be honest I was getting sick of the whole thing. I am absolutely delighted after Nottingham Forest that we even have a club to support. Even better that we have a billionaire owner, are playing good football and are winning more than losing and currently on a very good run of form over the last eleven games.

 

Nick has not said that everything is rosy. I do not think everything is rosy, we played rubbish against Brighton BUT I for one enjoy looking down the RECENT results and seeing a load of wins because I know that it could so easily have been that we went out of existence and I had no club at all. Rose tinted? I don't think so, just enjoying supporting my team. Once again Duncan, I realise we are not a perfect team and that there is still a lot to work on. Got it?

[Glasgow_Saint]

This season is going to be a

 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Listen here, what part are you finding difficult to comprehend? I went to almost every single game last year and the year before that. On the whole I was served up absolute tosh. I had my hopes crushed game after game and to be honest I was getting sick of the whole thing. I am absolutely delighted after Nottingham Forest that we even have a club to support. Even better that we have a billionaire owner, are playing good football and are winning more than losing and currently on a very good run of form over the last eleven games.

 

Nick has not said that everything is rosy. I do not think everything is rosy, we played rubbish against Brighton BUT I for one enjoy looking down the RECENT results and seeing a load of wins because I know that it could so easily have been that we went out of existence and I had no club at all. Rose tinted? I don't think so, just enjoying supporting my team. Once again Duncan, I realise we are not a perfect team and that there is still a lot to work on. Got it?

 

Hypo, I am really glad you are enjoying your football - seriously I am.

 

In fact, so am I. I'm off to Northampton on Saturday and looking forward to it. The trouble I have with NickG is that he seems almost evangelic in his efforts to convince us we are world beaters, albeit in the 3rd tier. All I am trying to point out is that despite this so called great run of ours over the last 11 games we are still only 3 points off bottom place.

 

With all Nick's stats that is almost unbelievable and a contradiction to your statement that we are "currently on a very good run of form" and "seeing a load of wins".

 

Stats are meaningless (how about 5 points from the last 12?) - every manager will tell you its the position in the table they go by!

 

Yes we nearly went out of existance, yes we got saved but how long should we be doffing the cap of gratefulness? Sorry Hypo (no offence) I was brought up in an era of top-flight football and beating Hartlepool away 3-1 might be a good night's work on the evening, will not have me clamouring for a seat on the end-of-season open top bus, Nick has lined up.

[Glasgow_Saint]

5 points from the last 4 games! 5 points from 12 = not good enough for promotion

[hypochondriac]

I think we may have un-covered one of the Multi Accounts / Users - step forward Hypo and NickG!?

 

You realise Baj has an Amnesty running - take the opportunity to hand yourself in! winky thing

 

Just for the record, I think Nick was a buffon in the 6th place thread for confusing things considerably!

[NickG]

WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert

Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly

LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert

WON Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert

WON Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio

Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2)

WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman

WON Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2)

WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo

 

Hypo, I am really glad you are enjoying your football - seriously I am.

 

In fact, so am I. I'm off to Northampton on Saturday and looking forward to it. The trouble I have with NickG is that he seems almost evangelic in his efforts to convince us we are world beaters, albeit in the 3rd tier. All I am trying to point out is that despite this so called great run of ours over the last 11 games we are still only 3 points off bottom place.

 

With all Nick's stats that is almost unbelievable and a contradiction to your statement that we are "currently on a very good run of form" and "seeing a load of wins".

Stats are meaningless (how about 5 points from the last 12?) - every manager will tell you its the position in the table they go by!

 

Yes we nearly went out of existance, yes we got saved but how long should we be doffing the cap of gratefulness? Sorry Hypo (no offence) I was brought up in an era of top-flight football and beating Hartlepool away 3-1 might be a good night's work on the evening, will not have me clamouring for a seat on the end-of-season open top bus, Nick has lined up.

 

 

Think you need to take a step back, read the posts and not get personal.

[red&white56]

In the end we all have a choice - we can read this thread, enjoy it and come back each week until the "run" has ended. Or we can read it once and ignore it.

 

As they say if you don't like you don't have to read it.

[NickG]

Just for the record, I think Nick was a buffon in the 6th place thread for confusing things considerably!

 

didn't know you had seen me play?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianluigi_Buffon

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I was thinking just that when received a pm last night from Pardew saying having read this thread he is going to relax now:confused:#

 

Really wish I hadn't made the team complacent by posting this, I naively thought it was just for fans to enjoy the good times - but no the player/manager now mistakenly think the work is done. Sorry.

 

Well several fans seem to think it's pretty much done.

 

If all you were doing is posting results, why bother? We already know them. You post them with a purpose, which seems to me to be aimed at trying to deter people from discusing what we need to do to improve, which you seem to think is negative.

 

Oh, and I bet you've never said anything in the past about players possibly reading the forum.......

Edited 25 November, 2009 by hughieslastminutegoal

[hypochondriac]

Well several fans seem to think it's pretty much done.

 

If all you were doing is posting results, why bother? We already know them. You post them with a purpose, which seems to me to be aimed at trying to deter people from discusing what we need to do to improve, which you seem to think is negative.

 

Oh, and I bet you've never said anything in the past about players possibly reading the forum.......

 

It makes me feel good. I hope he continues, if nothing else because for some bizarre reason it winds people up!

[alpine_saint]

over last two games, 2.0!

 

Steady on dude, you are implying that by "statistics", AP is a better manager than The Genius Known as Georgio Burlinho.

 

SOGGY wont be happy....

[monsoon]

WON Hartlepool 3-1 Lallana (2) Lambert

Drew Norwich 2-2 Lallana Connolly

LOST Brighton 3-1 Lambert

WON Charlton 2-1 Thomas, Lambert

WON Bristol Rover 3-2 Connolly (2) Antonio

Drew Orient 2-2 Lambert (2)

WON MK 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Oldham 3-1 Lambert, Connolly, Hammond

WON Southend 3-1 Lallana (2) Trottman

WON Torquay (pens) 2-2 Wiago (2)

WON Gillingham 4-1 Lambert, Lallana (2), Waigo

 

i thought we lost at home to Bristol rovers.

[krissyboy31]

i thought we lost at home to Bristol rovers.

 

We did but this is a last 11 games thread, not a last 12 games thread.

[hutch]

My gut tells me that our slow start, for the reasons we all know, cost us 5 points in the first 10 games.

 

It makes me feel better to believe that we actually started at -15. And, TBF, I think that a current total of 31 points would be a pretty good indicator of how we're playing now. Not the best, but not far off it.

[mikec]

There's been plenty of entertainment anyway. Apart from the 2-1 JPT win over Charlton, all of our last 12 games have had 4 goals or more.

 

Don't the bookies usually offer an over/under 2.5 goals market? You could have won quite a lot backing "over" in Saints' games recently.

[ChrisPY]

Last 5 years the following averages were required to achieve each position.

 

1st - 85.2

2nd - 82

6th - 71.8

12th - 61.2

20th - 49.8

 

There are 28 games remaining. Saints need approx. the following ammount of points.

 

1st - 69.2 (2.5 per game)

2nd - 66 (2.4 per game)

6th - 55.8 (2 per game)

12th - 45.2 (1.6 per game)

20th - 33.8 (1.2 per game)

 

1st - Win 21 Draw 6 Lose 1

2nd - Win 20 Draw 6 Lose 2

6th - Win 17 Draw 5 Lose 6

12th - Win 13 Draw 6 Lose 9

20th - Win 9 Draw 7 Lose 12

 

Last 10 League Games

Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 2.

 

If that form continues we will gain

14 Wins 8 Draws 6 Losses and 50 points

 

We'll then finish somewhere between 6th and 12th which will be a good achievement IMO considering the points deduction and the lack of pre season affecting the start of the season.

[eelpie]

I've only been to two of these games Leyton and Brighton (plus Colchester and Milwall)- so am I am jinx and should I stop going to watch Saints ?????

 

Become a steward. Then you can go to St Mary's but not watch!

[S-Clarke]

 

We'll then finish somewhere between 6th and 12th which will be a good achievement IMO considering the points deduction and the lack of pre season affecting the start of the season.

 

Yep - that's a fair assesment for me, i'd be happy with that.

[NickG]

Well several fans seem to think it's pretty much done.

 

If all you were doing is posting results, why bother? We already know them. You post them with a purpose, which seems to me to be aimed at trying to deter people from discusing what we need to do to improve, which you seem to think is negative.do you hear voices as well as reading things not there?

 

Oh, and I bet you've never said anything in the past about players possibly reading the forum...you are correct I have never posted about players reading this forum....

 

hth!

[NickG]

Last 5 years the following averages were required to achieve each position.

 

1st - 85.2

2nd - 82

6th - 71.8

12th - 61.2

20th - 49.8

 

There are 28 games remaining. Saints need approx. the following ammount of points.

 

1st - 69.2 (2.5 per game)

2nd - 66 (2.4 per game)

6th - 55.8 (2 per game)

12th - 45.2 (1.6 per game)

20th - 33.8 (1.2 per game)

 

1st - Win 21 Draw 6 Lose 1

2nd - Win 20 Draw 6 Lose 2

6th - Win 17 Draw 5 Lose 6

12th - Win 13 Draw 6 Lose 9

20th - Win 9 Draw 7 Lose 12

 

Last 10 League Games

Won 5 Drawn 3 Lost 2.

 

If that form continues we will gain

14 Wins 8 Draws 6 Losses and 50 points

 

We'll then finish somewhere between 6th and 12th which will be a good achievement IMO considering the points deduction and the lack of pre season affecting the start of the season.

 

agree, 6th certainly possible but not probable - would expect around 8th/9th