Waigo - the next Camara or Ali Dia in disguise?

[Huffton]

I'm still undecided. He gets caught offside a hell of a lot but then quite a few times thats down to his pace and its the wrong decision. Today was a case in point, at the end he easily sprung the trap, was one on one but instead of burying it he tapped it passed the keeper allowing the defender to get round the back and clear off the line. And it didn't matter anyway as the lino had flagged him off.

[Glasgow_Saint]

the new BWP

[benjii]

Dunno. Will wait until I've seen him play a bit more.

 

Probably neither given that:

 

a) Camara was an excellent Premier League quality player; and

 

b) Ali Dia was a joke.

[Saint_clark]

That offside at the end was ridiculous, he was miles and miles offside, all you have to do is watch the defence ffs.

[Deanovski]

He is a good player..

[70's Mike]

Now that Antonio has been exposed as a one trick pony, i think Papa will work out to be a better option to start, Antonio will have more impact coming on especially away when we can get hit teams on the break

[Glasgow_Saint]

He is a good player..

 

Im not sure - he is now a regular on the bench and doesnt fill me with confidence when he comes on.

 

i'd prefer a tired Antonio to stay on most times

[Saint_clark]

Now that Antonio has been exposed as a one trick pony' date=' i think Papa will work out to be a better option to start, Antonio will have more impact coming on especially away when we can get hit teams on the break[/quote']

 

When did this happen?

[70's Mike]

When did this happen?

 

Both today and against Brighton within 10 mins of the start the opposition slightly change their tactics and other than long throw ins his threat is negated, pace alone does not make a good footballer

[Deanovski]

atonio is a impact sub.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I seem to remember Camara scoring a last minute winner in front of the Chapel Stand in a thrilling encounter with Norwich. Therefore I don't think the two are similar.

[hackedoff]

Not the type of player that ever seems to do well at Saints.

[shurlock]

Yes he strays unforgivably offside but he looks a real threat whenever he plays, especially when he takes up a central position. Shame he's been largely used on the right.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I don't know if he was offside those last 2 occasions but if he was I would rather he never played for us again as his neglect would be criminal.

[benjii]

I don't know if he was offside those last 2 occasions but if he was I would rather he never played for us again as his neglect would be criminal.

 

Calm down, dear.

[Arizona]

BWP is definitely the nearest comparison I can think of. Occasionally brilliant, but frequently offside and wasteful,

[Bearsy]

Would we be comparing him to Camara or Ali Dia if he was white?

[benjii]

Would we be comparing him to Camara or Ali Dia if he was white?

 

Who cares?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Would we be comparing him to Camara or Ali Dia if he was white?

 

Well he is known to be friends with Henri Camara, plays for Senegal with him, and has the same sort of style of play with him.

 

Ali Dia came with hype and was awful. Papa came with hype and is yet to prove himself.

 

So yes.

[dune]

Waigo really is a crock of ****e. He get's great balls played to him and 9/10 ****s it up.

[Huffton]

Would we be comparing him to Camara or Ali Dia if he was white?

 

I compared him with those two as they are all Senagalese, had he been English I would have compared him to two English players, one good, and one crap, regardless of their colour. Don't know about you but I haven't come across that many white Senegalese players. So take your thinly veiled racism slurs, and shove them up your arse.

[Whitey Grandad]

I don't know if he was offside those last 2 occasions but if he was I would rather he never played for us again as his neglect would be criminal.

There was one occasion where he was wide on the right and had been nowhere near offside at any time during the move, but apart from that he was yards offside when he should not have been. It was a criminal waste of an attack.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Calm down, dear.

 

That reply has confirmed to me what sort of person you are. A sort of Michael Winner smug sort of arse. If you have got nothing to say why say anything? You are a total nob.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Who cares?

 

If you don't care why do you bother posting - if you can't think of anything to say why don't you slink off back to under your stone and keep quiet rather than insult everyone who does care.

You really are a cretin of the highest order.

[Deanovski]

he has already scored more than bwp would have this season , he has set up a few good chances/goals already.

[Bearsy]

I compared him with those two as they are all Senagalese, had he been English I would have compared him to two English players, one good, and one crap, regardless of their colour. Don't know about you but I haven't come across that many white Senegalese players. So take your thinly veiled racism slurs, and shove them up your arse.

 

Chill dude, I wasn't trying to start a fight, I just couldn't see any obvious link between the three as footballers and wondered if they had been selected by race. Which as it turns out they were.

 

Who knew Ali Dia was Senegalese, I would have sai Liberian on account of George Weah?

[benjii]

That reply has confirmed to me what sort of person you are. A sort of Michael Winner smug sort of arse. If you have got nothing to say why say anything? You are a total nob.

 

Sorry, it was indeed a mocking of that annoying Michael Winner advert. I should have put a winky.

 

If you don't care why do you bother posting - if you can't think of anything to say why don't you slink off back to under your stone and keep quiet rather than insult everyone who does care.

You really are a cretin of the highest order.

 

The point I was making was that this is a thread about Papa Waigo the footballer. Asking some sort of entirely irrelevant race question is liable to ruin the thread.

[Huffton]

and wondered if they had been selected by race. Which as it turns out they were.

 

They weren't, they were selected by country. Apologies if I took your post the wrong way, it just seemed like a cheap dig.

 

Who knew Ali Dia was Senegalese, I would have sai Liberian on account of George Weah?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Dia

[team-saint]

Papa just needs to be starting games again and he will soon hit form. Its amazing how quickly some fans can change their opinions of players. When Papa came most of us were impressed for the first few games. Then Antonio came in and simply because Antonio did great people decided that Papa was rubbish. Strange logic that :confused::confused::confused:

[Al de Man]

Who knew Ali Dia was Senegalese, I would have sai Liberian on account of George Weah?

 

You do know that it wasn't actually George Weah who phoned Souness, don't you?

[batterseasaint]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Papa is an infinitely better player than Antonio. Papa knows when to play it simple but also knows when to take on his man. He has created far more opportunities than Antonio, and in general is a far more well rounded player.

 

Yes, Antonio has a good impact but is there really any value in having that impact in the first 20 minutes of the game (which is the approximate time that the opposition take to work him out)? Sad thing is, if Antonio had been a sub today and came on in the last 20, I think we may have won.

 

Both players have their place in the squad. But as much as I think Pards is an excellent manager, this is one decision he is getting wrong at the moment. Papa should start, and Antonio should be the sub.

[spudnik]

Really, all waigo needs is more tactical advice e.g not to get caught offside every 5 mins. apart from that, he has the necessary talent

[Roger]

Ff I like a lot if things u say but you're bang out of order with papa. Give the guy a chance. We won every game when he started almost and he scored a few and also played well at orient. Is better than Antonio in my opinion and is unpredictable which helps I think. Ff you're a legend but please don't go overboard with him or you're criticism of le god.

[niceandfriendly]

That reply has confirmed to me what sort of person you are. A sort of Michael Winner smug sort of arse. If you have got nothing to say why say anything? You are a total nob.

 

Benjii is indeed a nob, but he was right on this occasion. Your post about Waigo was moronic. I'd rather he didn't play for us again because he was offside.. ffs.

 

Back on subject, I haven't seen Waigo in recent weeks but from what I did see of him he looks very hit and miss. Flashes of brilliance and also signs of great weakness - but I think he benefits the team more than he hinders it, so I'd start him.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sorry, it was indeed a mocking of that annoying Michael Winner advert. I should have put a winky.

 

 

 

The point I was making was that this is a thread about Papa Waigo the footballer. Asking some sort of entirely irrelevant race question is liable to ruin the thread.

 

Apologies I withdraw my insult - I see why you said who cares now.

 

I agree too, that the Michael Winner advert is extremely annoying.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Benjii is indeed a nob, but he was right on this occasion. Your post about Waigo was moronic. I'd rather he didn't play for us again because he was offside.. ffs.

 

Back on subject, I haven't seen Waigo in recent weeks but from what I did see of him he looks very hit and miss. Flashes of brilliance and also signs of great weakness - but I think he benefits the team more than he hinders it, so I'd start him.

 

Bit OTT I agree however yesterday was incredibly frustrating especially in the last 10 minutes when both sides were pushing hard in the swirling wind. On two occasions we broke with Waigo in good scoring positions but both times he got into offside positions and the oportunity was wasted. The first time was criminal because he was wide on the right and could see the whole field of play yet still could not stay onside. I would rather not have him on the pitch because on the 2nd occasion, if he wasn't there, Melis might well have gone on by himself and scored instead of laying it on for the blatantly offside Waigo.

 

If you had been there too too might have been saying "moronic" things about him. You should have heard a few comments in the Northam.

 

If he can't learn the offside rule then I will stick to my guns and say I'd rather we didn't take up his option to buy him when his loan runs out.

[Thedelldays]

He must be good. As I raised these issues when I first saw him play and the resident experts told me I was wrong as the pace of the game is very different in Italy.

 

You would think that an international would adapt quickly, but hey. The resident experts know best

[Saint Fan CaM]

Like the OP said, I am undecided about Papa. He is a frustrating player to watch but then opposing players must find him difficult to play against. I just wonder whether he is a luxury we can ill afford to have in the ranks at this stage of our journey back to the big time.

[crouchi]

He's miles better than Antonio who doesn't have some of the basic skills. We should be getting him on the ball where he cazn exchange passes with our other quality players - Lallana and Connolly, not just sticking him out wide in the limited kind of role that suits Antonio more, who whilst being exciting and entertaining is a one trick pony

[modern matron]

Bit OTT I agree however yesterday was incredibly frustrating especially in the last 10 minutes when both sides were pushing hard in the swirling wind. On two occasions we broke with Waigo in good scoring positions but both times he got into offside positions and the oportunity was wasted. The first time was criminal because he was wide on the right and could see the whole field of play yet still could not stay onside. I would rather not have him on the pitch because on the 2nd occasion, if he wasn't there, Melis might well have gone on by himself and scored instead of laying it on for the blatantly offside Waigo.

 

If you had been there too too might have been saying "moronic" things about him. You should have heard a few comments in the Northam.

 

If he can't learn the offside rule then I will stick to my guns and say I'd rather we didn't take up his option to buy him when his loan runs out.

 

In my opinion since he's been here we've improved as a team and he must take some credit for that, after he replaced Lambert yesterday we became more dangerous and could have won the game. As for the offside - yes it is frustrating - but you see it all of the time in all levels of football even the premier league and international football. I agree this needs to improve but give the guy some slack!

[benjii]

Benjii is indeed a nob, but he was right on this occasion. Your post about Waigo was moronic. I'd rather he didn't play for us again because he was offside.. ffs.

 

Back on subject, I haven't seen Waigo in recent weeks but from what I did see of him he looks very hit and miss. Flashes of brilliance and also signs of great weakness - but I think he benefits the team more than he hinders it, so I'd start him.

 

Cheers!

[benjii]

Apologies I withdraw my insult - I see why you said who cares now.

 

I agree too, that the Michael Winner advert is extremely annoying.

 

Thanks, insult withdrawal accepted. I could have been a bit more expansive with what I was saying so as to appear less abrupt.

[benjii]

Anyhoo.... I think he has a lot to contribute and I would certainly start him ahead of Antonio at the moment.

 

I agree that yesterday was frustrating though.

[VectisSaint]

I would rather not have him on the pitch because on the 2nd occasion, if he wasn't there, Melis might well have gone on by himself and scored instead of laying it on for the blatantly offside Waigo.

I wasn't there so did not see the incident, but from your description this possibly says more about Mellis than Waigo. If Papa was blatantly offside then Jacob should not have passed to him and gone alone.

[Whitey Grandad]

I wasn't there so did not see the incident, but from your description this possibly says more about Mellis than Waigo. If Papa was blatantly offside then Jacob should not have passed to him and gone alone.

You are assuming that all professional footballers will try their best for the team. Sometimes they will give a player a bad pass just to make that player look bad. It's not impossible that Mellis was making a point about Wago. They are both rivals for a similar playing position.

[benjii]

You are assuming that all professional footballers will try their best for the team. Sometimes they will give a player a bad pass just to make that player look bad. It's not impossible that Mellis was making a point about Wago. They are both rivals for a similar playing position.

 

Oh crikey.

 

Or, Mellis was a bit nervous, hasn't played much lately and abdicated the repsonsibility for those reasons.

[Gis]

How to we solve a problem like Waigo?

 

Fast as F$%k, can head the ball, and doesn't seem scared of mixing it when it's raining and the tackles are flying, and despite not burying it yesterday (even though he was offside) a pretty good finisher.

 

The trouble is he doesn't seem to have a brain.

 

There is a lot of current talk about bringing technology. I think that as the club that bought floodlights into football, we can go for another first and get an electric collar for Papa connected to Offside buttons distributed in the Itchen Corner and the Kingsland South. When pressed they would give Papa an indication that 20+ 000 people, the Ref and Linesman all feel that he should perhaps step back behind the last defender (240 volts should do).

 

We could even give FF his own special Red button in the case of 'criminal' offside

[Saint_clark]

Waigo might be erratic, but he's fast and can score a goal. I don't know why we dropped him. He's not the sort of player to drop because of an off game IMO.

 

If he plays, we have two wide players and two strikers all very capable of scoring goals. It's been a while since we had 4 attacking players with goals in them. I'm not as convinced with Antonio.

 

If Hammond and Schneiderlin could start scoring too we'd be unstoppable.

 

We dropped him because Antonio changed the game V Orient.