Huffton Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Do we have any refs on here? The Norwich throw in that went wrong. The lad took it, and it slipped out of his hands but came into play. Rightly the thrower didn't touch it as it was in play, so his team mate and one of ours both went for it. At this point the ref blows up and gave the Norwich player another go at the throw. Now to my mind although the ball slipped through his hands he still attempted a proper throw in so the ball is in play, otherwise its a foul throw and it goes to the opposition? Am I right? Surely he can't give them another go? Its not mini soccer FFS!:mad:
benjii Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 It was a strange call to retake it. "Strange" meaning, "completely wrong".
Huffton Posted 21 November, 2009 Author Posted 21 November, 2009 What about when we were flagged off side after a goal kick from davies?? The lino up our end was truly appalling. Waigo was three yards onside at the end, didn't matter as the daft t**t still missed but even so.
beatlesaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Do we have any refs on here? The Norwich throw in that went wrong. The lad took it, and it slipped out of his hands but came into play. Rightly the thrower didn't touch it as it was in play, so his team mate and one of ours both went for it. At this point the ref blows up and gave the Norwich player another go at the throw. Now to my mind although the ball slipped through his hands he still attempted a proper throw in so the ball is in play, otherwise its a foul throw and it goes to the opposition? Am I right? Surely he can't give them another go? Its not mini soccer FFS!:mad: Murty did the exact same thing just in front of us in the Kingsland near the end. He didn't get to take the throw again however ! And yes, you are correct.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 What about when we were flagged off side after a goal kick from davies?? That wasn't a goal kick, that was a Free Kick on the edge of the 6 yard box for an Offside. HTH
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Obviously not got the best of views from the Northam but thought a lot of offsides given against us today especially in the 2nd half looked like they were on. Also to me it looked like their player might have been offside from the ball played in before they won their pen? Thought the ref was cr*p today also.
John B Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Obviously not got the best of views from the Northam but thought a lot of offsides given against us today especially in the 2nd half looked like they were on. Also to me it looked like their player might have been offside from the ball played in before they won their pen? Thought the ref was cr*p today also. The referee in the England v NZ Rugby Match was really good today
macthesaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 thought the ref was okay today.He seemed to take into account the wet conditions when players dived in.Was a definite penalty when James got done by the winger and there other penalty shout was rightly turned down. He ****ed up on that foul though,that was bizarre.
VectisSaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 The referee in the England v NZ Rugby Match was really good today Thought he missed a few handballs personally, and with Henry in the stands he should have done better.
Hopkins Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 St Landrew and co will be calling for the game to be replayed I assume? Football itself was cheated again today. Disgrace. Hanging anyone and everyone is the only option.... No? Lino got every call spot on at the end aswell.
dan17 Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 The lino up our end was truly appalling. Waigo was three yards onside at the end, didn't matter as the daft t**t still missed but even so. No......he really was a mile and a half offside.
Tamesaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 He did seem to give Norwich a free kick every time that they appealed for one. Some of them were just laughable. Match stats show we conceded 15 free kicks - they gave away 9. I may be ever so slightly biased but I don't think that we were that much dirtier than them. .
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 I thought the ref got everything spot on. The assistant on the Kingsland side got one definitley wrong and there were a couple that looked suspicious but apart from that, I couldn't fault them.
SFKA South Woodford Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 I must admit that I didn't have the best view from the kingsland, but I could have sworn that no one touched the ball between Hoolahan taking his penalty and it hitting the post and him putting in the rebound. In which case the goal should not have stood.
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 I must admit that I didn't have the best view from the kingsland, but I could have sworn that no one touched the ball between Hoolahan taking his penalty and it hitting the post and him putting in the rebound. In which case the goal should not have stood. Kelvin tipped it onto the post, so it was valid. There was a lot of encroachment, though, so if anybody else had stuck it away it may have been different.
Huffton Posted 21 November, 2009 Author Posted 21 November, 2009 No......he really was a mile and a half offside. Fair enough, I sit in the Chapel so my view probably wasn't thayt great, but I really thought he was onside that time.
jawillwill Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Fair enough, I sit in the Chapel so my view probably wasn't thayt great, but I really thought he was onside that time. Yep I was sitting right in line with play. Was 110% offside.
St Landrew Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 St Landrew and co will be calling for the game to be replayed I assume? Football itself was cheated again today. Disgrace. Hanging anyone and everyone is the only option.... No? Lino got every call spot on at the end aswell. If that was a cheap attempt at humour it wasn't that funny. Besides, you got it wrong again. I don't want any game replayed. You really ought to read and understand before you make comments. Humour works best [or at all] when there's actually a ring of truth in what is being broadcast. Perhaps you could try using some.
Liquidshokk Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 There was one free kick he gave today where I am 99.9% sure the ref was briefly looking in the opposite direction when the foul took place and the linesman didn't pick it up but the ref gave it following a big appeal by the norwhich players...
Alain Perrin Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 The lino up our end was truly appalling. Waigo was three yards onside at the end, didn't matter as the daft t**t still missed but even so. Sorry matey, he was three yards off side. Wait for the TV to see what I mean. I thought the officials were generally good today (especially given the conditions). I thought the KD goal kick offside was dubious though
The Godfather Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Ref had an average game today, got the penalty decision correct but seem to give Norwich all the half decisions. It was the lino alongside the Kingsland stand who was truly awful today.
voteforpedro Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Also to me it looked like their player might have been offside from the ball played in before they won their pen? I was in Kingsland, fairly level with it and i'm certain he was offside from that ball into the box.
batterseasaint Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 I was in the Kingsland and in line with those offsides towards the end. He got them all spot on. There were two where the player was coming back from an offside position, and the last one was criminal on Papa's part... he was looking right across the line yet still decided to stay offside. My opinion is that the ref was pretty much spot on today, apart from their foul throw.
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Sorry matey, he was three yards off side. Wait for the TV to see what I mean. I thought the officials were generally good today (especially given the conditions). I thought the KD goal kick offside was dubious though It wasn't a goal-kick, it was a kick from his hands (if you're referring to the one I think you're referring to :smt017).
Alain Perrin Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 It wasn't a goal-kick, it was a kick from his hands (if you're referring to the one I think you're referring to :smt017). Not sure what it was to be honest. I always think that offsides where the ball has been played a long way (like the one described) are very difficult to judge. Unlike the linesman, our interest is at the other end of the pitch. We should have a rule on this forum that, if you sit in the Chapel or the Northam, you can't have a (valid) opinion on an offside decision. There is no way that you can judge when perpendicular to the action. Officials get a bad name too often because fans make proclamations about things they, at best, have a compromised view of (and that's before you bring in the bias!). Officials are human and will make mistakes, it's part of what makes football fun. And whilst I don't agree with replaying games after dubious decisions, I do think the FA/FIFA should be punishing players that try and kid the referee. Honest mistakes vs. dishonest behaviour.
saint_bert Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Also that passage of play when we won 4 straight corners in the first half. Every time doughty had his arms round Connolly every time!!
Kingsland Red Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 In answer to the original question, except in age groups below and including Under 10, you get one attempt to throw the ball correctly. Any other effort is a foul throw and the opposing team restart the game with a throw in.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Obviously not got the best of views from the Northam but thought a lot of offsides given against us today especially in the 2nd half looked like they were on. Also to me it looked like their player might have been offside from the ball played in before they won their pen? Thought the ref was cr*p today also.[/QUOTE] TBH they are pretty crap every week.
benjii Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Also that passage of play when we won 4 straight corners in the first half. Every time doughty had his arms round Connolly every time!! I remember that. Some excellent deliveries by James.
mikec Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 In answer to the original question, except in age groups below and including Under 10, you get one attempt to throw the ball correctly. Any other effort is a foul throw and the opposing team restart the game with a throw in. Am I right in thinking they are allowed to re-take it if the ball never actually crossed the touchline? In this case I'm pretty sure it did (although I was sat in the opposite corner so can't be 100%)
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Am I right in thinking they are allowed to re-take it if the ball never actually crossed the touchline? In this case I'm pretty sure it did (although I was sat in the opposite corner so can't be 100%) Correct. Ball never in play - take it again.
Kingsland Red Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Am I right in thinking they are allowed to re-take it if the ball never actually crossed the touchline? In this case I'm pretty sure it did (although I was sat in the opposite corner so can't be 100%) Correct.
OldNick Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Correct.Ive seen your line calls and so referee decisions may be not your forte
Kingsland Red Posted 22 November, 2009 Posted 22 November, 2009 Ah, fair point Nick !! Did it cross the line ?
westmidlandsaint Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 I thought Andy Penn (ref) was shocking again saturday. I came down 2 years ago when Norwich beat us 1-0 and Penn reffed that game too and gave every 50/50 Norwich's way. i come down with a NCFC supporting mate both times who was laughing before saturdays game when he read out that Penn was the ref.
Andyb1 Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 No......he really was a mile and a half offside. He was DEFINITELY offside. Lucky too really as he still managed to go round the keeper and hit a lame shot that was cleared off the line...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 Not sure what it was to be honest. I always think that offsides where the ball has been played a long way (like the one described) are very difficult to judge. Unlike the linesman, our interest is at the other end of the pitch. We should have a rule on this forum that, if you sit in the Chapel or the Northam, you can't have a (valid) opinion on an offside decision. There is no way that you can judge when perpendicular to the action. Officials get a bad name too often because fans make proclamations about things they, at best, have a compromised view of (and that's before you bring in the bias!). I don't know why not, it's perfectly easy to see a straight line compared to the goalline just as it is compared to the touchline and judge depth from there, and a few times Saints players had just run past defenders, which is a pretty good clue they're not offside. Waigo looked offside for all the decisions given, especially the one where he ran right across the pitch from an offside position on the right wing. The Connolly one and Lambert one where they came back into midfield from allegedly offside positions I can't comment on as I wasn't looking at their starting positions when the ball was played - though I suspect the linesman wasn't either on a couple of occasions. He was flagging extremely late when players were already in the act of playing the ball long after the pass and were clearly "interfering" the whole time, which is why I wonder.
Ken Tone Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 Fair enough, I sit in the Chapel so my view probably wasn't thayt great, but I really thought he was onside that time. I was pretty much alongside in the kingsland and was actually shouting at Waigo ..oh no you're offside again you *****, before the whistle went. I cannot understand how a player of his age can be so poor at this basic tactic. Don't run offside! It's really not that complicated a concept is it? K.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 I cannot understand how a player of his age can be so poor at this basic tactic. Don't run offside! It's really not that complicated a concept is it? Just remember what I was once told: 'all footballers are thick'. It explains a lot.
ulstersaint Posted 23 November, 2009 Posted 23 November, 2009 Ref had an average game today, got the penalty decision correct but seem to give Norwich all the half decisions. It was the lino alongside the Kingsland stand who was truly awful today. I think the ref' tried to let the game flow in dreadful weather conditions and he could have been more harsh with some sliding tackles. He got the penalty right. Stupid challenge. Agreed the lino on Kingsland side made some wierd decisions and several times when the ball went into touch he waited for the ref' the signal before he pointed his flag for Saints or Delia's.
knellster Posted 24 November, 2009 Posted 24 November, 2009 I know it looked weird but was it actually a foul throw? The guy released it from behind his head and one hand wasn't behind the ball (or it wouldn't have slipped through his hands) so it was probably ok anyway. There's nothing in the laws that says the player has to look stylish. Either way the ref got it wrong though.
captainchris Posted 24 November, 2009 Posted 24 November, 2009 Kelvin tipped it onto the post, so it was valid. There was a lot of encroachment, though, so if anybody else had stuck it away it may have been different. How would it have been different? Encroachment means it's got to be re-taken anyway whatever the outcome!
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 November, 2009 Posted 24 November, 2009 How would it have been different? Encroachment means it's got to be re-taken anyway whatever the outcome! You're right. I was referring to the case where another player follows-up legally and scores the goal, because the same player cannot touch the ball twice without somebody else touching it in between. Encroachment does not necessarily mean a re-take. If an attacking player encroaches and the penalty is not scored then the game should continue. If a defending player encroaches then there should only be a re-take if the penalty is not scored. If players from both sides encroach then the penalty should always be re-taken. This very rarely happens.
cjay7 Posted 25 November, 2009 Posted 25 November, 2009 It was a strange call to retake it. "Strange" meaning, "completely wrong". i thought this....however it was actually a free kick given to us, which davis took from the 6 yard box
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