Legod Third Coming Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Do we have the most perceptive manager in the league? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1880511,00.html OK, I don't want to be sycophantic here, but I am continually impressed by how Pardew sees and calls games. Everything about his analysis is reflected in the site by astute observers. A far cry from some previous managers' comments...
alpine_saint Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Do we have the most perceptive manager in the league? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1880511,00.html OK, I don't want to be sycophantic here, but I am continually impressed by how Pardew sees and calls games. Everything about his analysis is reflected in the site by astute observers. A far cry from some previous managers' comments... He got the formation completely wrong for Brighton, in some peoples opinion, failed to get the team up before the game or at half-time, and made poor substitutions. Even giving him the benefit-of-the-doubt and calling it an off-day, it is still evidence that he isnt worthy of wearing his underpants outside his tights yet... Ergo, I think you are being a touch sycophantic...
itchen Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 He got the formation completely wrong for Brighton, in some peoples opinion, failed to get the team up before the game or at half-time, and made poor substitutions. Even giving him the benefit-of-the-doubt and calling it an off-day, it is still evidence that he isnt worthy of wearing his underpants outside his tights yet... Ergo, I think you are being a touch sycophantic... Ah but, in "some people's opinion" he played the formation that they thougt he should always play at home and I didn't think that the subs were particuarly poor. I'd call it an off day for some the players rather then the manager: notably Trottman and Harding (by their standards). I've not seen either of them have a bad game before but I guess it happens to all players eventually. Norwich will be a test. But even if we lose I won't be writing off our season or Pardew. I can't remember the last time we went eight games without defeat and won seven of those.
krissyboy31 Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 He got the formation completely wrong for Brighton, in some peoples opinion, failed to get the team up before the game or at half-time, and made poor substitutions. Even giving him the benefit-of-the-doubt and calling it an off-day, it is still evidence that he isnt worthy of wearing his underpants outside his tights yet... Ergo, I think you are being a touch sycophantic... I can't see how you can say that. Thomas was a vast improvement on Trotman's first half display. Antonio had run himself to a standstill and we needed the fresh legs of Papa, who came close to scoring on two occasions. And Mills was introduced to add some extra width to the left hand side of the attack. It could have possibly been Mellis but at that time I don't think he'd have done much more.
itchen Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Ah but, in "some people's opinion" he played the formation that they thougt he should always play at home and I didn't think that the subs were particuarly poor. I'd call it an off day for some the players rather then the manager: notably Trottman and Harding (by their standards). I've not seen either of them have a bad game before but I guess it happens to all players eventually. Norwich will be a test. But even if we lose I won't be writing off our season or Pardew. I can't remember the last time we went eight games without defeat and won seven of those. When I said Harding, I meant Lambert. Doh!
derry Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 (edited) 'wide players were a bit loose' Edited 20 November, 2009 by derry
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 November, 2009 Author Posted 20 November, 2009 'the wide players were a bit loose' I thought of you when I read that...
shurlock Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 "Our fans keep turning up and we have produced displays that warrant that, but Sunday didn't, so if we have 17,000 on Saturday we would have to accept that as a team". Love it. Last year 17,000 would have been a decent turnout.
S-Clarke Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 He always speaks sense, something which took me back slightly when he first joined. I mean come on...a saints manager, talking sense? never happens. i miss the days of ''the boysh did well''
saint_stevo Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Can't say i am particularly amazed at how he sees games. IMO, if not made at half time his substitutions come too late. And don't get me started on Swindon
S-Clarke Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Can't say i am particularly amazed at how he sees games. IMO, if not made at half time his substitutions come too late. And don't get me started on Swindon i think you can forget about the swindon game, that's something which is never going to happen again. even pard's holds his hands up to that one now. I think we only had defenders/midfielders on the bench for that game...not much opportunity to change a demotivated first team. (which they were at that point..) I think it's impressive to see how far we've actually come since then, it wasn't that long ago really. I think it opened pard's eyes to the complete lack of quality and pretty much ended saganowski's future here.
saint_stevo Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 i think you can forget about the swindon game, that's something which is never going to happen again. even pard's holds his hands up to that one now. I think we only had defenders/midfielders on the bench for that game...not much opportunity to change a demotivated first team. (which they were at that point..) It was the tactics in that game that particularly concerned me....Paterson on the right wing..........gross
Bailey Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Pardew is very well trained in terms of PR. He gives a very good interview and I've been impressed by what he's had to say from day one. Very different under his stewardship then some past managers anyway! Long may it continue!
Ewell Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 He got the formation completely wrong for Brighton A couple of weeks back after Orient away you were lambasting the 4-5-1 so am I right to assume that are converted? You were also saying at home we should go 4-4-2 which if I am not mistaken Pardew did last Sunday. All I can say to you is your opinion changes like the weather and is only ever 'result' driven and completely reactionary. I am quite stunned that you can post opinions that change so easily and are therefore contradictory. I don't think I have ever seen anyone quite like it.
Thedelldays Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 A couple of weeks back after Orient away you were lambasting the 4-5-1 so am I right to assume that are converted? You were also saying at home we should go 4-4-2 which if I am not mistaken Pardew did last Sunday. All I can say to you is your opinion changes like the weather and is only ever 'result' driven and completely reactionary. I am quite stunned that you can post opinions that change so easily and are therefore contradictory. I don't think I have ever seen anyone quite like it. opinions do change...as do formations against different teams... pardew HIMSELFS says he and the players are paid for one thing..TO WIN...he clearly (with the players) got it wrong..and MAYBE 442 was the wrong formation AGAINST BRIGHTON
Tamesaint Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Pardew is very well trained in terms of PR. He gives a very good interview and I've been impressed by what he's had to say from day one. Very different under his stewardship then some past managers anyway! Long may it continue! Couldn't agree more. The comparison with Burley is amazing.
Ewell Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 opinions do change...as do formations against different teams... pardew HIMSELFS says he and the players are paid for one thing..TO WIN...he clearly (with the players) got it wrong..and MAYBE 442 was the wrong formation AGAINST BRIGHTON Ahh and here is the other one who was backing him up. You are right that opinions change but come on, you both said 4-4-2 for home games! The players had an off day. Now get over it!
saint_stevo Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 4-5-1 was surely the option against a team who could have been anything under a new manager. They were always going to come at us in first 20mins......and we were 2 nil down by then
Thedelldays Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Ahh and here is the other one who was backing him up. You are right that opinions change but come on, you both said 4-4-2 for home games! The players had an off day. Now get over it! I said 442 for home games when we could not buy a win...then we kept buying players instead... I am however, going to change my opinion..and I have not given any lately really other than I think we are one of the best teams in the league... pardew even says himself, they are paid to win and that is it...since pardew has been here is says more lines like people like me have said and not the resident experts who told me that we should just "survive" this season.. im sure if you asked pardew he would admit it went wrong against brighton.....hence..so is alpine do you reckon we will stick to 442 on sat..?
derry Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 4-5-1 was surely the option against a team who could have been anything under a new manager. They were always going to come at us in first 20mins......and we were 2 nil down by then Not with Lambert getting over the flu. He didn't play well as it was.
saint_stevo Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 Not with Lambert getting over the flu. He didn't play well as it was. Maybe true, but would have shored us up
derry Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 I said 442 for home games when we could not buy a win...then we kept buying players instead... I am however, going to change my opinion..and I have not given any lately really other than I think we are one of the best teams in the league... pardew even says himself, they are paid to win and that is it...since pardew has been here is says more lines like people like me have said and not the resident experts who told me that we should just "survive" this season.. im sure if you asked pardew he would admit it went wrong against brighton.....hence..so is alpine do you reckon we will stick to 442 on sat..? We have to play two banks of four if is 4-4-2. We don't do that, it is four at the back, two central midfielders and a right midfielder with a free player playing in support of the strikers and sometimes on the left. For me a disciplined 4-4-2. But as this is unlikely 4-5-1 warts and all. Wotton is a doubt, he has a knock.
jam Posted 20 November, 2009 Posted 20 November, 2009 We have to play two banks of four if is 4-4-2. We don't do that, it is four at the back, two central midfielders and a right midfielder with a free player playing in support of the strikers and sometimes on the left. For me a disciplined 4-4-2. But as this is unlikely 4-5-1 warts and all. Wotton is a doubt, he has a knock. So assuming Wotton can't play... we have the team that started last week (except possibly Thomas for Trotman) or we play the lone striker system and put James in front of the defence? Big day for James if it's the latter.
SaintRobbie Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Do we have the most perceptive manager in the league? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1880511,00.html OK, I don't want to be sycophantic here, but I am continually impressed by how Pardew sees and calls games. Everything about his analysis is reflected in the site by astute observers. A far cry from some previous managers' comments... Agreed. I would suggest a far cry from all managers comments since WGS to be honest. A refreshing change on the path upwards. We got our club back (finally Mr Wilde!).
converted_saint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Great to see Pards not pandering to some players' egos like previous managers have done..."We have certainly addressed the issues that went on in the game on Sunday, and there are some excuses from the players that have surfaced that I will accept to a degree, and others that I won't." We'll put Sunday's game down to a blip, let's not lambast our own team all the time when we lose, let's say fair play to the opposition. Brighton were immense last Sunday IMO and I think on any other day we'd have beaten them even with the performance we put in. I'm convinced we'll see a reaction from the boys today...I just hope that's the case so the boo-boys on here will be silenced!
Iowsaintsfan Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 From reading that i bet wootton starts today
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 ..I just hope that's the case so the boo-boys on here will be silenced! what boo boys..? we lost at home..which is unacceptable..and im sure 99% pardew agrees
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 what boo boys..? we lost at home..which is unacceptable..and im sure 99% pardew agrees Unaccepable??????????????????? FFS Players are human and do have off days when they don't play as well as they can.
NickG Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 think some will moan until we win premiership with 100% record and all the cups!
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Unaccepable??????????????????? FFS Players are human and do have off days when they don't play as well as they can. do you think pardew finds a home defeat to brighton acceptable..? really..?
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 think some will moan until we win premiership with 100% record and all the cups! who is moaning..we are a pretty darn good team... again, do YOU think pardew found the game against brighton acceptable..?
Thedelldays Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 yes. considering he said he had to tell a few home truths so to speak..I think you may be wrong
alpine_saint Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 yes. Christ, you are such a brown-nose sometimes.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Christ, you are such a brown-nose sometimes. Sometimes ?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Well I'm pleased to see that Pardew called it exactly as I did for the Brighton game...i.e. nothing to do with the formation and everything to do with (a) the side players being too maverick in the first 20 minutes and (b) Lambert ill and not able to put in a good performance and © Trottman having an off-day (which happens to the best of us). Combine that with a decent Brighton side looking to impress Poyet and hey presto we lost. Let's just get over it and show Norwich what bounce back means eh?
sadoldgit Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 (edited) I don't think anything he said was rocket science, same as the other managers. They are asked to come up with words every week to either explain a good performance or a poor performance and there are only so many reasons for either. Pardew is a decent manager but I think if you read what all the other managers were saying this weekend it would be difficult to tell them apart (aprt from Ferguson or Wenger!). Edited 21 November, 2009 by sadoldgit
Ewell Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Well I'm pleased to see that Pardew called it exactly as I did for the Brighton game...i.e. nothing to do with the formation and everything to do with (a) the side players being too maverick in the first 20 minutes and (b) Lambert ill and not able to put in a good performance and © Trottman having an off-day (which happens to the best of us). Combine that with a decent Brighton side looking to impress Poyet and hey presto we lost. Let's just get over it and show Norwich what bounce back means eh? Well said that man sums it up perfectly!
NickG Posted 21 November, 2009 Posted 21 November, 2009 Well I'm pleased to see that Pardew called it exactly as I did for the Brighton game...i.e. nothing to do with the formation and everything to do with (a) the side players being too maverick in the first 20 minutes and (b) Lambert ill and not able to put in a good performance and © Trottman having an off-day (which happens to the best of us). Combine that with a decent Brighton side looking to impress Poyet and hey presto we lost. Let's just get over it and show Norwich what bounce back means eh? fair points. He says we should expect to win every game, and its now disappointing if we lose one- which has got to be good sign. He won't be happy to lose or some of the performances but sure he is happy with where we are heading and not be distraught or surprised at odd defeat.
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