The9 Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 As far as I'm aware, the only reason the England bid has been criticized by the people who matter, is because Portsmouth was included in the running. This could change everything. Jack Warner matters a lot (unfortunately) due to his vice-president role at FIFA and autocracy over the CONCACAF vote, and he basically said what the bid was lacking was the Queen and David Beckham. As far as I'm aware that's about all anyone in a position of power has said publicly. I understand his wife has also given back the bloody expensive handbag that the bid organisers gave to various powerbrokers' wives. Whoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November, 2009 (edited) Cant see anyone down this way underwriting that sort of expense for perhaps 1 game It certainly would not be for 1 World Cup game thats not how it works with 12 stadiums and the amount of games at the World Cup. It would likely be for 4 World Cup games plus 2 games the year before in the Confederation Cup. So we would be looking at perhaps 6 international games and the club having a larger ground on the cheap for what hopefully be a Premiership team in 2018 onwards. The improvements would be subsidized through grants and the club get a bigger ground to keep for a low outlay and big boost to the local economy. Edited 25 November, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 I cant see that it would be in the councils interest to apply.It looks that the bid has gone t##s up and so it would waste money.........ohhh so the council may have a go. What games would the south likely get anyway? Outer mongolia v Tobago or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 I cant see that it would be in the councils interest to apply.It looks that the bid has gone t##s up and so it would waste money.........ohhh so the council may have a go. What games would the south likely get anyway? Outer mongolia v Tobago or the like. Shows rather a limited knowledge of the fixture creation process FIFA use which is set in stone at least 2 years before the tournament to enable ticket sales (although they have been known to switch match locations and kick off times within a group after the draw is made to ensure big games are played at big grounds). 40,000 capacity grounds usually get 3 or 4 group matches and maybe a round of 16 game. Probably wouldn't get a group seed, but would definitely see some decent teams in some of those 4 games. Anyway, that kind of multicultural takover is what the World Cup is about. Still haven't quite recovered from attending Jamaica v Croatia in the small northern French coal mining town of Lens, with their population of 40,000 (never mind ground capacity) and the two pubs and three cafes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Shows rather a limited knowledge of the fixture creation process FIFA use which is set in stone at least 2 years before the tournament to enable ticket sales (although they have been known to switch match locations and kick off times within a group after the draw is made to ensure big games are played at big grounds). 40,000 capacity grounds usually get 3 or 4 group matches and maybe a round of 16 game. Probably wouldn't get a group seed, but would definitely see some decent teams in some of those 4 games. Anyway, that kind of multicultural takover is what the World Cup is about. Still haven't quite recovered from attending Jamaica v Croatia in the small northern French coal mining town of Lens, with their population of 40,000 (never mind ground capacity) and the two pubs and three cafes. Yes it does show my lack of knowledge in that.I dont tend to spend a lot of time reading up about it, as it is unlikely to happen in mylifetime and probably yours. Of course all those hours you spend goalhanging you have time to read a few rules and regs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Yes it does show my lack of knowledge in that.I dont tend to spend a lot of time reading up about it, as it is unlikely to happen in mylifetime and probably yours. Of course all those hours you spend goalhanging you have time to read a few rules and regs I have awesome major championship ticket sales, fixtures and stadium geekage, having been in 94, 98, 06 and to the Euros in 00 and 04. PS the best way to get World Cup tickets is to live in Wales and ask the FAW for some. And at least I know about offside, unlike certain number 9s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 We've got one day to make a bid. The deadline is tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November, 2009 We've got one day to make a bid. The deadline is tomorrow. The deadline to show interest was in the Summer. We missed it due to being in administration at the time with no owner. It is likely that the FA have told us it is impossible for us to bid. The deadline tomorrow is for those that showed initial interest to submit their bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 And at least I know about offside, unlike certain number 9s! It can't be Drogbaj as he is too slow to get offside in the first place. As for his constant injuries, Im told he got Swine flu walking past an empty pork pie wrapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 But with Rugby world cup games coming to SMS in 2015 surely the council and the club should want to build on this. The rugby will bring money in and with a potential football world cup in 2018 it could be a very profitable 3 years for the club and the city. (and the fact that we've already got RWC shows we can host a world cup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Got the impression that Royston Smith (cllr) is trying to get it in Southampton, surly great news? Does anyone know anything more? like who are the other citys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Got the impression that Royston Smith (cllr) is trying to get it in Southampton What makes you think that? Does anyone know anything more? like who are the other citys? http://www.england2018bid.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Got the impression that Royston Smith (cllr) is trying to get it in Southampton, surly great news? Does anyone know anything more? like who are the other citys? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/8379471.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 What makes you think that? http://www.england2018bid.com/ He was talking on radio solent saying something regarding a bid from southampton! thank you for the link though but all those other places none are in the south, cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November, 2009 He was talking on radio solent saying something regarding a bid from southampton! thank you for the link though but all those other places none are in the south, cheers! Was he speaking on Radio Solent today? Bristol, Plymouth and London are the Southern bids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Here is what Royston Smith said on October 2nd 2009 http://www.insidethegames.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7301:late-world-cup-bid-from-southampton-ruled-out&catid=1:latest-news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Feel really poo now, would love it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Typical of Southampton Council to **** things up. You would have thought they could have expressed an interest dependent on the outcome of the club's administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 25 November, 2009 Share Posted 25 November, 2009 Just went on the FA website and there was a link for pledge support and so I did, but on comment just added "bring it to southampton" ever the optimist!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 John Denham (Southampton Itchen MP and communities minister) scuppers Everton's chance of a World Cup stadium. Could this be part of a bigger plan? Probably not as Saints are likely to have missed out due to not being signed up for the initial process. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/8379839.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 If the 'registration of interest' by city councils in the summer was 'committment free' then I don't understand why Southampton CC didn't register an interest regardless of the uncertain situation with the club at the time. If there was nothing to lose at that stage then surely you register interest and take it from there? Unless, perhaps, it then committed them to start funding their bid campaign ahead of today's decision? Whilst I still beleve England won't win the bid I think there's a whopping oversight by the council here. (it is the council rather than the club that registers an interest isn't it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Nope, wrong I'm afraid. PCC have been very positive and helpful regarding a new ground for Pompey. In fact, they already have a blueprint for the redevelopment of Fratton Park. Fact is Pompey no longer want a new ground. They do not have the money now that their sugar daddy has gone. With premiership gates of less than 20k, supporters who cannot afford premiership prices and large amounts of fan apathy it would be commercial suicide for them to build a new stadium. Pompey are living beyond their means and have done so for a few years now. I worded it badly. What I meant to say was that their Council were not very helpful towards plans for the Skates to relocate their flea pit away from Fratton. There were plans proposed for the stadium to be relocated to next to Gunwharf and then to Horsea Island, both of which were deemed to be impractical for one reason or another. I agree that at present it looks as if their current second Arab with little money cannot afford to entertain anything other than the redevelopment of the existing site and the Council would have little objection to that as it is already sited there and any improvements to it would be an improvement to what is really one of the ugliest pieces of land in Portsmouth. I agree with you also that building a much bigger stadium would be commercial suicide, especially if they are relegated. It seems that the redevelopment work would add debt to the club, which is already racking up debt currently. Without the debt we had pre-ML, we can sustain our running costs with the levels of attendance we have, but the Skates probably could not achieve their required attendance levels in the fizzy pop division to cover their running costs and debts. I reckon that that is something that many of their fans are still in denial about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Front page of todays Echo, and page 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 From what i had originally heard they wanted at least one city in each region to host world cup matches, so in which case London, Bristol and Plymouth arent challenging us. It would be divided into North East, North West, Yorkshire and the Humber, West Midlands, East Midlands, East (Anglia and surrounding areas), Greater London, Westcountry (Bristol and Plymouth are duking it out against each other) and South East (which currently has no bids, this is where we step in). Id imagine our bid would feature 10 stadiums and i find it likely that London will get 2 and the North East (Manchester and Liverpool) will get 2. Leaving enough room for 1 in each other region. I think this would be the most equal way to spread games around the country, im sure this is how they are suppose to be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 So i am guessing we have not applied to the FA then ?? http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/WorldCup2018/NewsAndFeatures/2009/BidCitiesWembley.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Here is what Royston Smith said on October 2nd 2009 http://www.insidethegames.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7301:late-world-cup-bid-from-southampton-ruled-out&catid=1:latest-news Surely it doesn't matter, seeing as there is now no club in the southern section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 it also says that portsmouth would have to meet the costs of moving games if they sign up and fail to build a new stadium. does that mean they would pay for the expansion of SMS?!?!?!?! Lol, as if they could even afford to build one new seat !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Finance boss Roger Ching said: 'If the stadium was not built, the FA would have to find somewhere else for matches to be played. Any ideas ? Not really been earning his crust that bloke has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 We haven't got it, time to either change the title or lock the thread and start a new one for any misery people want to spill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Front page of todays Echo, and page 2. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4761752.Southampton_hoping_for_second_World_Cup_chance/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Would be good to hear from the club what is happening if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Would be good to hear from the club what is happening if anything. With Lord Mal Whinger in charge, nothing I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 I can't believe they will be allowed to enter at this late stage.All other cities appear to have put their presentations in place,we just have a vague promise of intent to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Sorry... been away all day in wales... does anyone know the official score ... have we got involved or are the great council leaders in an emergency 'where toput the next set of traffic light' meeting?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 (edited) With Lord Mal Whinger in charge, nothing I guess? Nothing to do with him it is the FA and presentations are this week Edited 26 November, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Nothing to do with him it is the FA and prentations are this week Lord Mawhinney is on the executive board in charge of the World Cup 2018 bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Lord Mawhinney is on the executive board in charge of the World Cup 2018 bid. thats that then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Lord Mawhinney is on the executive board in charge of the World Cup 2018 bid. so..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Nothing to do with him it is the FA and prentations are this week Blimey! He was doing a hell of a lot of talking about it today, if it's nothing to do with him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Looks like we've missed the boat, it would have been nice but at the end of the day it's just a couple of games of footie. I'm trying to work out what Bristol or Plymouth are going to use a 40K stadium for after the 1 or 2 World cup games have been played. The average attendance of Plymouth, Bristol City and Rovers combined doesn't even come close to filling a 40K stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 Looks like we've missed the boat, it would have been nice but at the end of the day it's just a couple of games of footie. I'm trying to work out what Bristol or Plymouth are going to use a 40K stadium for after the 1 or 2 World cup games have been played. The average attendance of Plymouth, Bristol City and Rovers combined doesn't even come close to filling a 40K stadium. maybe both have aspirations to get promoted to the prem around 2018....they are both closer than us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 so..? John B said it had nothing to do with him, I was just saying it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 maybe both have aspirations to get promoted to the prem around 2018....they are both closer than us.. Closer, yet still with half the crowds. They would all look daft in a 40K stadium even in the Prem, Plymouth get 10K FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 maybe both have aspirations to get promoted to the prem around 2018....they are both closer than us.. As if Plymouth would EVER fill a 40,000 seater. They only get like 9,000-13,000 now and couldn't even sell out when the club gave away something like 10,000 free tickets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 As if Plymouth would EVER fill a 40,000 seater. They only get like 9,000-13,000 now and couldn't even sell out when the club gave away something like 10,000 free tickets... they have a population the same as us..and have no other decent team for miles.... if they got to the prem, they would easily sell out...EASILY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 they have a population the same as us..and have no other decent team for miles.... if they got to the prem, they would easily sell out...EASILY Not a 40k stadium they wouldn't even if in the Premiership. Population of the two cities may be similar but the surrounding area is thinly populated compared to the Southampton conurbation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 they have a population the same as us..and have no other decent team for miles.... if they got to the prem, they would easily sell out...EASILY Population means **** all if there is little interest in football, they have the same population now yet still get half of what we get despite being a league higher. Saints would struggle to fill a 40K stadium, it would fill for probably the big 4 plus maybe Spurs. Bristol or Plymouth - no way. Big cities - footballing minnows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 they have a population the same as us..and have no other decent team for miles.... if they got to the prem, they would easily sell out...EASILY Sorry TDD but even if Plymouth reached the prem, they would never sell out a 40k stadium, no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 26 November, 2009 Share Posted 26 November, 2009 just for arguments sake I think Saints would struggle to fill a 40k stadium aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2009 just for arguments sake I think Saints would struggle to fill a 40k stadium aswell. Saints have averaged over 30k in seasons when in the Premiership before so we could get close to 40k for alot of games if doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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