QPR v Saints - Post Match Views

[derry]

Why is it 'pie in the sky'? We have some who the club have tried to force out and whilst they are not our saviours they could perform a stop-gap where we need it - especially if they are to remain on the books for the immediate future. The loan window will also give us access to these type of players. We might not want the extra burden of their wages but I'm sure we don't want to be in the bottom 3 come the end of the season either.

 

Why was Wooton not at centre-half today? On the radio a couple of weeks ago Nicky Banger was saying he couldn't understand why Wooton was being touted as a midfielder as he played every game at Plymouth (when Banger was there) as a centre-half. There were plenty of options for midfielders but the bare bones at the back.

 

Those banging on about experience are ignoring the fact, that most of the older players left on the books, were, except for John pretty ineffectve, or disinterested, or just hopeless.

 

Now they are being put forward as the experience that can improve the team. There is no way these players with the exception of Svennson/Perry/Wooton/John would help and they are already in the squad.

 

It would be better if those who are banging on about wise old heads, experienced players, actually named those available and affordable, who would enhance the team, supposing of course they know we have the money to bring them in.

[Whitey Grandad]

Who?

Lucketti? Bennett?

[derry]

Right - thats that then - sorted....!!!!

 

Just what I thought. Right!!!!!!!!!!!

[derry]

Lucketti? Bennett?

 

Lucketti was transferred in the summer, Bennet is on loan at Brentford until January. Next.

[Whitey Grandad]

Lucketti was transferred in the summer, Bennet is on loan at Brentford until January. Next.

Precisely! That means that they were both available and might have come here were it not for this ridiculous obsession with 'yoof'.

[Wes Tender]

Lucketti was transferred in the summer, Bennet is on loan at Brentford until January. Next.

 

So you don't disagree that there needs to be a better balance between the youngsters and the older players; you are merely asking for candidates to be named. In the same way that we are still attempting to offload a couple of our players, there are undoubtedly other clubs who have players surplus to their requirements too.

[derry]

Precisely! That means that they were both available and might have come here were it not for this ridiculous obsession with 'yoof'.

 

As I remember it we were trying to offload the high earners at the time. In any event Lucketti went early in the window and Bennett was just behind him.

 

Bennett has little experience, except a few games with us and needs a strong player alongside. How could you possibly put him forward as the experienced old head to improve the team. He played his first league game v Crystal Palace, what a disaster that was.

 

I think when push comes to shove what we have is a young team and no money to change it. I suggest people get used to the fact this season is going to be a roller coaster.

[OldNick]

As I remember it we were trying to offload the high earners at the time. In any event Lucketti went early in the window and Bennett was just behind him.

 

Bennett has little experience, except a few games with us and needs a strong player alongside. How could you possibly put him forward as the experienced old head to improve the team. He played his first league game v Crystal Palace, what a disaster that was.

 

I think when push comes to shove what we have is a young team and no money to change it. I suggest people get used to the fact this season is going to be a roller coaster.

100% correc=t IMO although my approval may not help Derry

[Legod Second Coming]

Precisely! That means that they were both available and might have come here were it not for this ridiculous obsession with 'yoof'.

 

In my view if you're good enough, you're old enough. Nothing to do with age. It should be about ability.

 

Do we have too much 'youth' in our team, or simply lack sufficient ability?

 

Are we being undone by seasoned pros? Or simply being undone by better talent?

 

I still dispute totally the idea we are not strong enough or somehow lightweight. We controlled long periods of yesterday's game, weren't ever muscled off the ball but were struggling to deal with Delaney and Cook's width - something that most teams struggle with.

 

What we lack is organisaton at the back - that much is abundantly evident. Whether that needs old heads or better drills, I think is open to significant debate.

 

What I do know for asbolute certain is that we were no better organised at the back last year with a number of affordable experienced players.

[derry]

So you don't disagree that there needs to be a better balance between the youngsters and the older players; you are merely asking for candidates to be named. In the same way that we are still attempting to offload a couple of our players, there are undoubtedly other clubs who have players surplus to their requirements too.

 

Trouble is we can't offload them or sell them. Of course I would welcome proper experienced footballers to strengthen the team.

 

I don't know who they are, whether they are available and affordable, and I suggest neither does anyone else.

Edited 15 September, 2008 by derry

[Wes Tender]

I think when push comes to shove what we have is a young team and no money to change it. I suggest people get used to the fact this season is going to be a roller coaster.

 

I think that we might be better off if we heed the lessons of this last match and attempt to put out a team with a better balance between youth and experience. If we do not have cover amongst our existing squad with experience, then experienced defenders will be the number one priority with loans.

 

If we do not learn from this major coaching lapse and put in other youngsters to replace those youngsters injured or suspended, it won't be a rollercoaster, as that infers that there are ups as well as downs.

[derry]

100% correc=t IMO although my approval may not help Derry

 

No problem with you Nick, or Kelvin Davis as his distribution has improved, shows he's trying, maybe he could be more positive in the box especially with catchable crosses. I always rated him as a good shotstopper, one of the best. I just felt that wasn't enough on it's own.

[VectisSaint]

Lucketti? Bennett?

How can you possibly claim Bennett was either an old head or experienced? He is neither. Was probably the worst player ever to pull on a Saints shirt in his first game (and no I am not forgetting Ali Dia). Came on and looked OK when playing alongside an experienced CB. Bennett was certainly not the person we needed. Lucketti may have been a different kettle of fish.

 

But the real answer to "Who?" which Derry initially posed, was Gregory Vignal. He fitted the criteria of being experienced and young and in the latter half of last season was beginning to look class. Whats more he proved more than capable in dead ball situations. We should have kept Greg, thus allowing Drew to play in MF (probably instead of Gillett who is lightweight). With Spiderman and the other new Frenchy as well he would probably have fitted well.

[derry]

I think that we might be better off if we heed the lessons of this last match and attempt to put out a team with a better balance between youth and experience. If we do not have cover amongst our existing squad with experience, then experienced defenders will be the number one priority with loans.

 

If we do not learn from this major coaching lapse and put in other youngsters to replace those youngsters injured or suspended, it won't be a rollercoaster, as that infers that there are ups as well as downs.

 

I don't have a crystal ball, however I think this team as it is, will not be relegated. If we don't have the money and can't offload to generate any, we aren't going to be able to change much.

 

Skacel could help but only if he wants to.

[derry]

How can you possibly claim Bennett was either an old head or experienced? He is neither. Was probably the worst player ever to pull on a Saints shirt in his first game (and no I am not forgetting Ali Dia). Came on and looked OK when playing alongside an experienced CB. Bennett was certainly not the person we needed. Lucketti may have been a different kettle of fish.

 

But the real answer to "Who?" which Derry initially posed, was Gregory Vignal. He fitted the criteria of being experienced and young and in the latter half of last season was beginning to look class. Whats more he proved more than capable in dead ball situations. We should have kept Greg, thus allowing Drew to play in MF (probably instead of Gillett who is lightweight). With Spiderman and the other new Frenchy as well he would probably have fitted well.

 

I suspect he was on high wages, I liked him but I think he is just not affordable.

[Scummer]

I don't have a crystal ball, however I think this team as it is, will not be relegated.

 

I wish I had your confidence. This must be one of our worst ever starts to a season.

 

As time goes by, we pick up more injuries, and our players start to get fatigued as a result of never playing more than about 20 games a season before, it could be pretty ugly.

[derry]

I think that "affordable" is the key to any player being brought in.

[Whitey Grandad]

How can you possibly claim Bennett was either an old head or experienced? He is neither. Was probably the worst player ever to pull on a Saints shirt in his first game (and no I am not forgetting Ali Dia). Came on and looked OK when playing alongside an experienced CB. Bennett was certainly not the person we needed. Lucketti may have been a different kettle of fish.

 

But the real answer to "Who?" which Derry initially posed, was Gregory Vignal. He fitted the criteria of being experienced and young and in the latter half of last season was beginning to look class. Whats more he proved more than capable in dead ball situations. We should have kept Greg, thus allowing Drew to play in MF (probably instead of Gillett who is lightweight). With Spiderman and the other new Frenchy as well he would probably have fitted well.

I just plucked two names out of the air to illustrate the point that there are players available who have the experience, whatever their age, that is missing from our defence. All three players discussed here have spent some time at the club and IMO would be better than what we have at the moment.

 

'Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of experience comes from bad judgment'

[derry]

I wish I had your confidence. This must be one of our worst ever starts to a season.

 

As time goes by, we pick up more injuries, and our players start to get fatigued as a result of never playing more than about 20 games a season before, it could be pretty ugly.

 

Like I said, I haven't got a crystal ball, I haven't got any experience of assessing fatigue, and I'm not crossing bridges before we come to them.

 

Cardiff, Birmingham and QPR were probably defeats whatever team we put out, whilst a defeat to Blackpool was a setback. 5 matches into the season is not the time to throw the baby out with the bathwater. In any event we have no means of changing things and will have to, as always, wait and see.

[Wes Tender]

During the past couple of years, there were occasions when we were firing in the goals for fun, having the highest number of on target strikes in the division, but letting in goals by the bucketful at the other end. Burley made some adjustments which should have been designed to tighten up at the back, but for some reason although we did achieve that, we stopped firing on all cylinders up front.

 

My recollection is that although Bennett had a nightmare start, when he teamed up with Davies, the defence was the best it had been since Killer and Claus were a fixture. Unfortunately Bennett then moved on from his loan spell and Davies was out injured and what replaced them was nowhere as good. The next CB teaming that showed some real promise and made us pretty tight at the back was the Lucketti/Perry one, especially when there was Vignal at LB and Wright at RB.

 

The trouble we will have is that Killer might not be able to continue, or if he does he may be sporadic. The same goes for Perry. The youngsters need a decent run in an established partnership with an older head to gain experience, but at the moment it seems hard to envisage which partnership might establish itself from several games. If there is constant change at the back, it will lead to disruption.

 

I agree that it would have been good to still have Vignal available at LB and indeed Scacel could also do a decent job if his mental attitude was positive and receptive. And I never thought that I'd say it, but I'd rather have Jermain Wright at RB than young James.

[derry]

I just plucked two names out of the air to illustrate the point that there are players available who have the experience, whatever their age, that is missing from our defence. All three players discussed here have spent some time at the club and IMO would be better than what we have at the moment.

 

'Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of experience comes from bad judgment'

 

But you plucked two names out of the hat that are not available, One suitable, one not. That's the problem, affordable and available. We don't have any money and are still paying high earners. Davis, BWP, Euell, Thomas, Skacel, and John.

[OldNick]

During the past couple of years, there were occasions when we were firing in the goals for fun, having the highest number of on target strikes in the division, but letting in goals by the bucketful at the other end. Burley made some adjustments which should have been designed to tighten up at the back, but for some reason although we did achieve that, we stopped firing on all cylinders up front.

 

My recollection is that although Bennett had a nightmare start, when he teamed up with Davies, the defence was the best it had been since Killer and Claus were a fixture. Unfortunately Bennett then moved on from his loan spell and Davies was out injured and what replaced them was nowhere as good. The next CB teaming that showed some real promise and made us pretty tight at the back was the Lucketti/Perry one, especially when there was Vignal at LB and Wright at RB.

 

The trouble we will have is that Killer might not be able to continue, or if he does he may be sporadic. The same goes for Perry. The youngsters need a decent run in an established partnership with an older head to gain experience, but at the moment it seems hard to envisage which partnership might establish itself from several games. If there is constant change at the back, it will lead to disruption.

 

I agree that it would have been good to still have Vignal available at LB and indeed Scacel could also do a decent job if his mental attitude was positive and receptive. And I never thought that I'd say it, but I'd rather have Jermain Wright at RB than young James.

All quite sensible but it would probably add 40k a week to the wage bill

[Whitey Grandad]

During the past couple of years, there were occasions when we were firing in the goals for fun, having the highest number of on target strikes in the division, but letting in goals by the bucketful at the other end. Burley made some adjustments which should have been designed to tighten up at the back, but for some reason although we did achieve that, we stopped firing on all cylinders up front.

 

My recollection is that although Bennett had a nightmare start, when he teamed up with Davies, the defence was the best it had been since Killer and Claus were a fixture. Unfortunately Bennett then moved on from his loan spell and Davies was out injured and what replaced them was nowhere as good. The next CB teaming that showed some real promise and made us pretty tight at the back was the Lucketti/Perry one, especially when there was Vignal at LB and Wright at RB.

 

The trouble we will have is that Killer might not be able to continue, or if he does he may be sporadic. The same goes for Perry. The youngsters need a decent run in an established partnership with an older head to gain experience, but at the moment it seems hard to envisage which partnership might establish itself from several games. If there is constant change at the back, it will lead to disruption.

 

I agree that it would have been good to still have Vignal available at LB and indeed Scacel could also do a decent job if his mental attitude was positive and receptive. And I never thought that I'd say it, but I'd rather have Jermain Wright at RB than young James.

That seems a pretty fair summmary, to me.

[Legod Second Coming]

During the past couple of years, there were occasions when we were firing in the goals for fun, having the highest number of on target strikes in the division, but letting in goals by the bucketful at the other end. Burley made some adjustments which should have been designed to tighten up at the back, but for some reason although we did achieve that, we stopped firing on all cylinders up front.

 

My recollection is that although Bennett had a nightmare start, when he teamed up with Davies, the defence was the best it had been since Killer and Claus were a fixture. Unfortunately Bennett then moved on from his loan spell and Davies was out injured and what replaced them was nowhere as good. The next CB teaming that showed some real promise and made us pretty tight at the back was the Lucketti/Perry one, especially when there was Vignal at LB and Wright at RB.

 

The trouble we will have is that Killer might not be able to continue, or if he does he may be sporadic. The same goes for Perry. The youngsters need a decent run in an established partnership with an older head to gain experience, but at the moment it seems hard to envisage which partnership might establish itself from several games. If there is constant change at the back, it will lead to disruption.

 

I agree that it would have been good to still have Vignal available at LB and indeed Scacel could also do a decent job if his mental attitude was positive and receptive. And I never thought that I'd say it, but I'd rather have Jermain Wright at RB than young James.

 

 

And until that point, you had a persuasive argument...

 

Wright was at best pedestrian and with no capacity to use the ball wisely. I liked and admired his attitude immensely, but not his ability.

 

He would be as much use in this team as a propellor on Concorde.

 

There are experienced players who might fit our methods, he ain't one.

[derry]

During the past couple of years, there were occasions when we were firing in the goals for fun, having the highest number of on target strikes in the division, but letting in goals by the bucketful at the other end. Burley made some adjustments which should have been designed to tighten up at the back, but for some reason although we did achieve that, we stopped firing on all cylinders up front.

 

My recollection is that although Bennett had a nightmare start, when he teamed up with Davies, the defence was the best it had been since Killer and Claus were a fixture. Unfortunately Bennett then moved on from his loan spell and Davies was out injured and what replaced them was nowhere as good. The next CB teaming that showed some real promise and made us pretty tight at the back was the Lucketti/Perry one, especially when there was Vignal at LB and Wright at RB.

 

The trouble we will have is that Killer might not be able to continue, or if he does he may be sporadic. The same goes for Perry. The youngsters need a decent run in an established partnership with an older head to gain experience, but at the moment it seems hard to envisage which partnership might establish itself from several games. If there is constant change at the back, it will lead to disruption.

 

I agree that it would have been good to still have Vignal available at LB and indeed Scacel could also do a decent job if his mental attitude was positive and receptive. And I never thought that I'd say it, but I'd rather have Jermain Wright at RB than young James.

 

The trouble is it's now we are talking about, your recollections are spot on but we have to do the best we can with the current players

 

I think Lancashire could do a job for us alongside Perry.

[Whitey Grandad]

And until that point, you had a persuasive argument...

 

Wright was at best pedestrian and with no capacity to use the ball wisely. I liked and admired his attitude immensely, but not his ability.

 

He would be as much use in this team as a propellor on Concorde.

 

There are experienced players who might fit our methods, he ain't one.

Maybe not, and I don't suggest for one minute that we should have him back, but on the central issue: 'better than James'?

[Scummer]

And until that point, you had a persuasive argument...

 

Wright was at best pedestrian and with no capacity to use the ball wisely. I liked and admired his attitude immensely, but not his ability.

 

He would be as much use in this team as a propellor on Concorde.

 

There are experienced players who might fit our methods, he ain't one.

 

Sorry, but you seem to have swallowed a bucketful of spin. I must be watching different matches, as I haven't seen our full backs flying forward and interchanging at will with other players in the team. I've seen them missing tackles, ushering the opposition towards our goal, or simply going missing altogether.

 

Until we start getting the basics right, we'll continue to get beat week in week out.

[Legod Second Coming]

Maybe not, and I don't suggest for one minute that we should have him back, but on the central issue: 'better than James'?

 

 

Not in my book, depends what you want from a player. I think you could call James culpable for the free kick which led to their off-side goal. Other than that, he gave 100% and struggled against Lee Cook - arguably one of the best wingers in the division.

 

Cook would have left Wright for dead - every time.

[Legod Second Coming]

Sorry, but you seem to have swallowed a bucketful of spin. I must be watching different matches, as I haven't seen our full backs flying forward and interchanging at will with other players in the team. I've seen them missing tackles, ushering the opposition towards our goal, or simply going missing altogether.

 

Until we start getting the basics right, we'll continue to get beat week in week out.

 

I didn't say they were doing anything of the sort yesterday. But we need full-backs who look up and use the ball, not a return to the dark days of watching Wright get skinned by one-legged wingers with arthritis thanks...

[Whitey Grandad]

Not in my book, depends what you want from a player. I think you could call James culpable for the free kick which led to their off-side goal. Other than that, he gave 100% and struggled against Lee Cook - arguably one of the best wingers in the division.

 

Cook would have left Wright for dead - every time.

Where was James for their first goal?

[derry]

All very interesting, but how do the club improve the team performance using the players we have. Skacel if he gives 100%- yes, Euell-injured, Thomas-injured, Wooton, Perry, Svennson, John, Davis are in the frame, Dyer is close to starting, then there is BWP. There appears little room for manoeuvre.

[Saint Martini]

Where was James for their first goal?

 

Appealing to the ref for a foul (which it wasn't). If he had gone for the ball instead he might have prevented the goal.

[Legod Second Coming]

Where was James for their first goal?

 

Not marking Blackstock. Was that the role he was given? By whomever was 'supposed' to be organising the defence??

 

I have been to football games where I've blamed the person whom I think is at fault, only to have professionals tell me I'm wrong because so and so had been allocated to do something else.

 

Yes, looked to me like James was at fault, but no more so than the entire defence who were simply not well drilled enough to deal with a set-piece.

[Whitey Grandad]

Appealing to the ref for a foul (which it wasn't). If he had gone for the ball instead he might have prevented the goal.

Thanks, all I saw at the time was a big empty space where the left back should have been. What I find hard to understand is how Backstock could move 6 yards in the time it took our lot to move 6 inches. He was never that sharp when he played for us.

[Ziggy]

I've just got back from Spain where I watched it in a bar.

 

Sitting by the door as I walked in were a group of hags celebrating a 40th birthday of the oldest looking 40-year-old I've ever seen. I settled down at one nil and you've guessed it, the hags were from Pompey. I spent the whole game listening to their cackle followed by renditions on "Play up Pompey" and "Scummers".

 

What an absolute nightmare of an afternoon.

[alpine_saint]

I've just got back from Spain where I watched it in a bar.

 

Sitting by the door as I walked in were a group of hags celebrating a 40th birthday of the oldest looking 40-year-old I've ever seen. I settled down at one nil and you've guessed it, the hags were from Pompey. I spent the whole game listening to their cackle followed by renditions on "Play up Pompey" and "Scummers".

 

What an absolute nightmare of an afternoon.

 

Please tell me you didnt sh.ag her.......

[alpine_saint]

Wow, sh.ag is in the swear checker.

 

What if I want to buy a nice ****-pile carpet ??

[Ziggy]

No I didn't!

[OldNick]

Wow, sh.ag is in the swear checker.

 

What if I want to buy a nice ****-pile carpet ??

and that old **** tobacco

[Wes Tender]

Also going on general impressions along the lines of which defensive combinations worked well for us, I recall that there were managers who came in to take charge of a team where the defence leaked goals and seemingly almost instantly that defence was transformed into one of the meanest defences in that division. The greatest example I can think of was George Graham taking over at Leeds. What is the ingredient that ensures these improvements? Is it just that the players lacked discipline, or knowledge, technique or ability? That certain things were worked on until they became second nature? That there was a lack of concentration or motivation until those shortcomings were addressed?

 

Why wasn't there an older head at the centre of defence to steady the youngsters? Why weren't rival strikers man-marked? Why do we concede so many goals to set pieces? Why did we not have cover for the far post where there were acres of space to be exploited? Surely this stuff is elementary and I would expect a coach who has played as a top defender at World Cup final level to be able to put these things right.

[um pahars]

Those banging on about experience are ignoring the fact, that most of the older players left on the books, were, except for John pretty ineffectve, or disinterested, or just hopeless.

 

Now they are being put forward as the experience that can improve the team. There is no way these players with the exception of Svennson/Perry/Wooton/John would help and they are already in the squad.

 

It would be better if those who are banging on about wise old heads, experienced players, actually named those available and affordable, who would enhance the team, supposing of course they know we have the money to bring them in.

 

So are you seriously saying that the players we got in and the way we have decided to set out our stall is the only route that a club like ours can follow?

 

If so, then I have to wonder why football is supposed to be that hard if there is really only one way of doing something and there are no alternatives whatsoever.:smt102

 

Wotton is an example of someone who may not be a bad buy. Someone who has been around a while, happy to leave his foot in. Rather than relying on the youth, maybe we should have hunted around for other seasoned veterans of this division (or even from the lower reaches) who could provide some steel, nous and calmness to our youngsters.

 

Just as our financial position may well have limited our choices on the managerial front (and there were choices there), so will our predicament limit our player dealings.

 

However, it will limit them, not rule out every potential alternative out there.

 

IMHO the youth have their part to play, but they need to be augmented by seasoned pros. Now these may be the disillusioned ones on our books who the manager needs to motivate or these need to be others brought in o frees and loans.

[Matt SFC]

This is going to be a season of struggle but I do believe we will pull through and end up safe mid-table. Would really help if we had natural full backs. Surman is being wasted there as well.

[OldNick]

So are you seriously saying that the players we got in and the way we have decided to set out our stall is the only route that a club like ours can follow?

 

If so, then I have to wonder why football is supposed to be that hard if there is really only one way of doing something and there are no alternatives whatsoever.:smt102

 

Wotton is an example of someone who may not be a bad buy. Someone who has been around a while, happy to leave his foot in. Rather than relying on the youth, maybe we should have hunted around for other seasoned veterans of this division (or even from the lower reaches) who could provide some steel, nous and calmness to our youngsters.

 

Just as our financial position may well have limited our choices on the managerial front (and there were choices there), so will our predicament limit our player dealings.

 

However, it will limit them, not rule out every potential alternative out there.

 

IMHO the youth have their part to play, but they need to be augmented by seasoned pros. Now these may be the disillusioned ones on our books who the manager needs to motivate or these need to be others brought in o frees and loans.

I can see what you are getting at regarding other Wottons, especially if we could get some c/bs in that mould.It all bolis down to how much each would cost us, but to have a couple more would be good.I myself was surprised that Euell was not mixed into the squad especially as he got stuck in.

[benjii]

I can see what you are getting at regarding other Wottons, especially if we could get some c/bs in that mould.It all bolis down to how much each would cost us, but to have a couple more would be good.I myself was surprised that Euell was not mixed into the squad especially as he got stuck in.

 

I think he might have been back in by now, or in the squad at least, if he hadn't got injured.

 

By all accounts he seemed to be really warming to a "mentoring" role in the reserves.

[saintjinksie]

I hate Patrick Ageymang.

 

me too, i would have won 20 quid if he hadnt scored.... ffs

[Delmary]

I am prepared to give it time. We have very little alternative imo.

 

Depressing I agree but this thread was always going to be a knee jerk. However we are very short of experienced leadership to help the kids out.

Agree.

 

Nevertheless, we should of signed more players like Wotton or good lower league pros over the summer. Gambling £1M+ (Transfer and signing on fees) on unproven youngsters was a poor strategy by Lowe and Wilde. I hope we can find a way out of this mess.

[derry]

So are you seriously saying that the players we got in and the way we have decided to set out our stall is the only route that a club like ours can follow?

 

If so, then I have to wonder why football is supposed to be that hard if there is really only one way of doing something and there are no alternatives whatsoever.:smt102

 

Wotton is an example of someone who may not be a bad buy. Someone who has been around a while, happy to leave his foot in. Rather than relying on the youth, maybe we should have hunted around for other seasoned veterans of this division (or even from the lower reaches) who could provide some steel, nous and calmness to our youngsters.

 

Just as our financial position may well have limited our choices on the managerial front (and there were choices there), so will our predicament limit our player dealings.

 

However, it will limit them, not rule out every potential alternative out there.

 

IMHO the youth have their part to play, but they need to be augmented by seasoned pros. Now these may be the disillusioned ones on our books who the manager needs to motivate or these need to be others brought in o frees and loans.

 

What I am saying, and of course there are other ways of building a team, is that, this is what we have got, talking of alternatives, when clearly the management aren't going to apply an alternative, is for me impractical.

 

Unless we swop or sell players we don't seem to be in any position to change direction, even if the management wanted to , which they clearly don't. It appears to me they are on a mission to prove the youth theory.

 

For me it's doing the best with the existing staff.

[SinCity555]

You're an idiot..... Your Comment is up there with the worst i've ever read on this Forum!!!>......Drop Lallana, he is a different league to the rest of players at the moments. Absolutely quality!!!

[SinCity555]

You're an idiot..... Your Comment is up there with the worst i've ever read on this Forum!!!>......Drop Lallana, he is a different league to the rest of players at the moments. Absolutely quality!!!

You're an idiot..... Your Comment is up there with the worst i've ever read on this Forum!!!>......Drop Lallana, he is a different league to the rest of players at the moments. Absolutely quality!!!