Guest Hacienda Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 ART said: Praise the Lord we still have supporters like Derry, Elmore and Yorkie. It's many a year since I was last so proud like I am of the fighting spirit of these young warriors who just don't give up. They have nothing to be ashamed of. The British Empire was built by sending such young guys like this into battle and the next generation of success st our club will be built and founded on what we're watching right now. Had Lancashire not been sent off and Holmes not mowed down we would very unlikely not have lost 4 -1. Jan used his head in playing Lancashire knowing full well he has to blood players to survive a long hard season. Had his options not be reduced he could have played Perry or John later in the game. This was Game 5 and another 41 League games to go. Do people have such short, fickle memories? Would they have prefered to send out a team of donkeys, has beens and mercenaries? I'm proud of being a Saints supporter again when I see our players battling the way they did. Rome wasn't built in a day and we have other players behind the scenes. We still are entitled to bring in loan players. No need to panic and why did we need to show every other team our game plan, our set pieces on TV? Hopefully that's the last game for a while before the cameras. We hardly ever win when we are on TV. I'm more worried about all the big money flies that will be buzzing around the Saints jampot hoping to cream off the best of the crop, than how the season will pan out and develop. Davies kept the goals in single figures and a couple of other experienced heads brought in will soon have us winning and picking up points. Lads, there are some of us who were proud of you, know you'll get there and silence these weak hearted, fickle minded supporters who are just baying for us to fail, for Lowe to be proved wrong. Onwards and very definitively upwards. What a huge smelly pile of sh1te that is.
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 nickh said: Marco I understand your worries dont think I havent had them as well. Should RL wield the knife now? For me it is far too soon. The first goal and then Holmes (one of our better players this season) getting injured just shows how it is for us, then add to that the off side goal and we really up against it.Saying all that Jan made bad decisions with his team selection. My concern is he might wield the knife when it doesnt need to be. The fans i think will get on his back if things remain as they are and that will influence it. No matter what side of the fence any of us are on we all have to admit that right now the team is playing better then the team of last year. We lost 4-1 but that wasen't a 4-1 game. The lads are giving it their all and to stay in the game after the start they had and going a player off was tremendous. Our team last year would of caved in bigtime. The question i ask myself is, is it Jan who has got us playing like that or is it just youthful enthusiasm and will to do well? Because if it is Jan then we must keep him and give him the backing the team needs to survive. Things are not going our way right now but each game they gain more experience and i feel far more confident with them out there then last years team. The other problem is as you said team selections. Perry maybe should have been on for Ollie and we should have a proper defender to take over from Surman etc.. i just hope a manager learning the ropes on the job doesn't end up costing us again. If it was me i would have brought in Billy Davies and maybe get Jan as a assistant. Let him learn. One of the people i travel with commented that he thought Jan had underestimated how good teams are in this league and how competative it is, others have mentioned it in this thread. If that is the case that he has an ego then we could be in for a Jewell sort of wait for things to get better.
solentstars Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 ART said: Praise the Lord we still have supporters like Derry, Elmore and Yorkie. It's many a year since I was last so proud like I am of the fighting spirit of these young warriors who just don't give up. They have nothing to be ashamed of. The British Empire was built by sending such young guys like this into battle and the next generation of success st our club will be built and founded on what we're watching right now. Had Lancashire not been sent off and Holmes not mowed down we would very unlikely not have lost 4 -1. Jan used his head in playing Lancashire knowing full well he has to blood players to survive a long hard season. Had his options not be reduced he could have played Perry or John later in the game. This was Game 5 and another 41 League games to go. Do people have such short, fickle memories? Would they have prefered to send out a team of donkeys, has beens and mercenaries? I'm proud of being a Saints supporter again when I see our players battling the way they did. Rome wasn't built in a day and we have other players behind the scenes. We still are entitled to bring in loan players. No need to panic and why did we need to show every other team our game plan, our set pieces on TV? Hopefully that's the last game for a while before the cameras. We hardly ever win when we are on TV. I'm more worried about all the big money flies that will be buzzing around the Saints jampot hoping to cream off the best of the crop, than how the season will pan out and develop. Davies kept the goals in single figures and a couple of other experienced heads brought in will soon have us winning and picking up points. Lads, there are some of us who were proud of you, know you'll get there and silence these weak hearted, fickle minded supporters who are just baying for us to fail, for Lowe to be proved wrong. Onwards and very definitively upwards. good post ,i still believe in the direction this club is going, we were rubbish last year.we are 5 points of a play off place and have 41 games to go.we will get better has a team.
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 St Marco said: My concern is he might wield the knife when it doesnt need to be. The fans i think will get on his back if things remain as they are and that will influence it. No matter what side of the fence any of us are on we all have to admit that right now the team is playing better then the team of last year. We lost 4-1 but that wasen't a 4-1 game. The lads are giving it their all and to stay in the game after the start they had and going a player off was tremendous. Our team last year would of caved in bigtime. The question i ask myself is, is it Jan who has got us playing like that or is it just youthful enthusiasm and will to do well? Because if it is Jan then we must keep him and give him the backing the team needs to survive. Things are not going our way right now but each game they gain more experience and i feel far more confident with them out there then last years team. The other problem is as you said team selections. Perry maybe should have been on for Ollie and we should have a proper defender to take over from Surman etc.. i just hope a manager learning the ropes on the job doesn't end up costing us again. If it was me i would have brought in Billy Davies and maybe get Jan as a assistant. Let him learn. One of the people i travel with commented that he thought Jan had underestimated how good teams are in this league and how competative it is, others have mentioned it in this thread. If that is the case that he has an ego then we could be in for a Jewell sort of wait for things to get better.for what it is worth I would have wanted Billy Davis as well.
The Tango Man Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 I have supported Saints for nearly 50 years, the past few seasons have been a very dark period for us all, the problem is that there is no light at the end of our tunnel Make no mistake we are in a lot of trouble and it is not going to get any better for a very very long time.
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 The Tango Man said: I have supported Saints for nearly 50 years, the past few seasons have been a very dark period for us all, the problem is that there is no light at the end of our tunnel Make no mistake we are in a lot of trouble and it is not going to get any better for a very very long time.thanks for that, it always is cheering to hear such things after a 4-1 defeat.
Wade Garrett Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 St Marco said: My concern is he might wield the knife when it doesnt need to be. The fans i think will get on his back if things remain as they are and that will influence it. No matter what side of the fence any of us are on we all have to admit that right now the team is playing better then the team of last year. We lost 4-1 but that wasen't a 4-1 game. The lads are giving it their all and to stay in the game after the start they had and going a player off was tremendous. Our team last year would of caved in bigtime. The question i ask myself is, is it Jan who has got us playing like that or is it just youthful enthusiasm and will to do well? Because if it is Jan then we must keep him and give him the backing the team needs to survive. Things are not going our way right now but each game they gain more experience and i feel far more confident with them out there then last years team. The other problem is as you said team selections. Perry maybe should have been on for Ollie and we should have a proper defender to take over from Surman etc.. i just hope a manager learning the ropes on the job doesn't end up costing us again. If it was me i would have brought in Billy Davies and maybe get Jan as a assistant. Let him learn. One of the people i travel with commented that he thought Jan had underestimated how good teams are in this league and how competative it is, others have mentioned it in this thread. If that is the case that he has an ego then we could be in for a Jewell sort of wait for things to get better. This time last year we beat QPR 3-0, this result was on the back of beating Stoke.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 I just don't rate McGoldrick, sorry, but we have to start John or Pekhart up there, Skacel should be ahead of Surman also, I feel sorry for Lancashire, yes it was an awful tackle but it was an awful time for him to do it just breaking into the side, I think we need Euell back, just to hold together the midfield, once again, the only player's that stood out were Davis and Lallana.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 St Marco said: My concern is he might wield the knife when it doesnt need to be. The fans i think will get on his back if things remain as they are and that will influence it. No matter what side of the fence any of us are on we all have to admit that right now the team is playing better then the team of last year. We lost 4-1 but that wasn't a 4-1 game. The lads are giving it their all and to stay in the game after the start they had and going a player off was tremendous. Our team last year would of caved in bigtime. The question i ask myself is, is it Jan who has got us playing like that or is it just youthful enthusiasm and will to do well? Because if it is Jan then we must keep him and give him the backing the team needs to survive. Things are not going our way right now but each game they gain more experience and i feel far more confident with them out there then last years team. The other problem is as you said team selections. Perry maybe should have been on for Ollie and we should have a proper defender to take over from Surman etc.. i just hope a manager learning the ropes on the job doesn't end up costing us again. If it was me i would have brought in Billy Davies and maybe get Jan as a assistant. Let him learn. One of the people i travel with commented that he thought Jan had underestimated how good teams are in this league and how competative it is, others have mentioned it in this thread. If that is the case that he has an ego then we could be in for a Jewell sort of wait for things to get better. I think you'll find that it was.
derry Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Wade Garrett said: This time last year we beat QPR 3-0, this result was on the back of beating Stoke. The Stoke result was a good result but that QPR team was a mere shadow of today's team.
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Wade Garrett said: This time last year we beat QPR 3-0, this result was on the back of beating Stoke. Yeah but QPR this year is slightly different from last years Cerny Parejo Ramage Cook (who i thought played excellent btw) I think were all new, least i dont remember them. The others were youngsters learning their trade like our team this year. They seemed big and physical but with lots of pace which again i didnt remember in either games last year. The players they have brought in look ok but nothing major. They are among the favourites to go up but looking at them i can't really see why.
SW11_Saint Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Saints67 said: Wes Thank you for your insightful comments but I personnally believe that 'total football' will outdo the dross that is normally on offer. We were out done today but not by a better side. We had 10 men. We had 9 'youth' players who gave QPR (for all their riches) a run for their money (ok kelvin was the busier of the 2 keepers but isn't that his job?) away from home). The score was harsh on us today but we have a future with these youngsters . Keep the faith/ Yes, but the point is we will have young players playing all season and many fear, as I do, that we will see many more results like this, despite the promising approach play etc. We need some of the older heads involved to add a bit of steel and nouse. Regardless of how pretty this football is to watch, it just won't work on it's own in a cloggers league. Yes, I want us to play the right way, but I also want us to survive in this division - and that may be a real struggle...
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Whitey Grandad said: I think you'll find that it was. Nah that wasen't a 4-1 game at all. They had chances but so did we. If Adam had took a few of his chances it would of been very different game. Going down to 10 men we matched them for majority of it but in the end luck and numbers were against them. Last year vs Weds and Preston, they were thrashings, this was nothing like that.
chivvy1664 Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Poortvliet got it so wrong today. I dont see cork as CB. Lancashire had no need to make that challenge. 1st goal was pathetic. 2 goal offside. We played well considering we had 10 men. Those asking for a plan b should remember that we only had ten men today. However we do need a plan b when we have 11 on the pitch but im afraid Jan Plan B is bring on a central striker drop mcgoldrick back and move lallana to the right. Thought wotton played well, Still too many youngsters playing for the sake of it.
bolo Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 St Marco said: Nah that wasen't a 4-1 game at all. They had chances but so did we. If Adam had took a few of his chances it would of been very different game. Going down to 10 men we matched them for majority of it but in the end luck and numbers were against them. Last year vs Weds and Preston, they were thrashings, this was nothing like that. I totally agree. I have never been a glass half full kind of guy but i find it a little demoralising that people are picking so many negatives out of that game. Both teams had chances, And the boys tired as they played most of the game with 10 men. But they were still trying and for spells we did not look like the team down to 10. We competed well until we got knackered and they scored 2 goals in the last 10. I for one am not gonna give up on this team yet....
THEVMAN Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Lallana started the game on the right,which i think is a waste.
um pahars Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 yorkie said: We may become the whipping boys of the league - but they do play the game in the spirit I want to see in a side. I'm sorry Yorkie, but I would rather be eeking out 1-0 wins and winning scrappy games as opposed to being the whipping boys who have spirit and play some neat football in the middle of the park. Football is ultimately about winning and the gutsy losers will soon be forgotten.
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 um pahars said: I'm sorry Yorkie, but I would rather be eeking out 1-0 wins and winning scrappy games as opposed to being the whipping boys who have spirit and play some neat football in the middle of the park. Football is ultimately about winning and the gutsy losers will soon be forgotten.All due respect but when we did it was not good enough for some.
Guest Hacienda Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 um pahars said: I'm sorry Yorkie, but I would rather be eeking out 1-0 wins and winning scrappy games as opposed to being the whipping boys who have spirit and play some neat football in the middle of the park. Football is ultimately about winning and the gutsy losers will soon be forgotten. We all want to see SFC playing lovely football and I applaud the players for sticking to it. However, winning is what really counts and we've won 1 in 5.
saintjay77 Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 gutted about the scoreline but was impressed with some of our play going forward. we managed to carve them up at times but the deciding factor was they had players in defence that could handle most of our attacks. I know we were a man short for most of the game but when ever QPR attacked I could see them scoring and if it wasnt for Kelvin being in a different class then they would have been into double figures. i hope we can find a defence out of our squad that can manage to limit the opositions chances or all our quick attacking play will count for absolutly nothing.
Larrylove Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 St Paul said: If Leon Crouch had remained in charge, sacked Pearson, got some unknown in. Sold Davies for peanuts and we'd lost 4 out of 5 league games, what would the Lowe luvvies have been saying about that? Hear,hear,well..........
derry Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 nickh said: All due respect but when we did it was not good enough for some. Or more like last season, 0-1 defeats, hopeless dross, no spirit and almost being relegated.
Roger Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 For god's sake nickh, when are you going to admit that lowe is making another major muck up. It is alll going downhill again. If croucha nd pearson were still here would be much better. What did crouch do wrong? Other than paying money out of his own pocket for the statue and appointing pearson manager, which was proved right.
Long Shot Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 FloridaMarlin said: BBC Television Centre is being sold off within a couple of years. A huge, massive site, and just across Wood Lane one of Europe's biggest shopping malls is nearing completion. That, in itself, would make QPR an attractive proposition, access to a large plot of land in W London on which to build not only a new stadium but also with room to develop all around it. (Forget about a slow property market. They're rich enough to ride that out, an besides, the sort of development they would plan would be for the sort of buyer who doesn't have to worry about paying the mortgage. I don't think Social Housing is on their agenda). And don't think the BBC landing F1 for £50m is a mere coincidence. A pal at the Beeb tells me there are all sorts of wheels within wheels, and Bernie Ecclestone has his sights firmly set on the Television Centre site. That's what made QPR an attractive proposition to a group of rich and powerful businessmen, because it has the potential to make them even more money. And Southampton and the area around St Mary's has what? They didn't buy into QPR because Rodney Marsh and Gerry Francis used to play there. This guy knows what he is talking about, I reckon.
teamsaint Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Until we get it right in defence we are in trouble. Love the attacking style, but we HAVE to have a solid back 4 and some presence up front or we are doomed.
reader Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Another really bad result. I have to say that for the first time in nearly 40 years as a saints fan I have not been looking forward to this coming season. I feel that we blew the main chance of our doing anything this year when we let Nigel Pearson go. It's also not surprising that so many ex saints players score against us as the current policy is to sell anyone who shows the smallest amount of promise. I do wonder how a policy like this benefits the club and you have to ask the question as to where the money has gone?
Toomer Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Come on Scooby lets hear your thoughts on your Lord Lowe's system of youth and total football.
OldNick Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Roger said: For god's sake nickh, when are you going to admit that lowe is making another major muck up. It is alll going downhill again. If croucha nd pearson were still here would be much better. What did crouch do wrong? Other than paying money out of his own pocket for the statue and appointing pearson manager, which was proved right.Isnt it about time for Roger and out? Where were you 2 weeks ago when we had won at Derby and beaten Brum.I wasnt carried away with it then and am not getting too despondent now.When you reach puberty you will understand Rome wasnt built in a day. When you see MC ask her is it true that LC was told the bank would support the club as long as we made major cuts and had to sell many of our assets. Having NP here is not an exact science we dont know how a team that would have been dismantled by him and rebuilt would be any better placed.In fact to get the job he would have had basically the same squad as Jan. He may have got a few different old players who wrere on Bosmans but still would have had to sell Davies.
derry Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 nickh said: Isnt it about time for Roger and out? Where were you 2 weeks ago when we had won at Derby and beaten Brum.I wasnt carried away with it then and am not getting too despondent now.When you reach puberty you will understand Rome wasnt built in a day. When you see MC ask her is it true that LC was told the bank would support the club as long as we made major cuts and had to sell many of our assets. Having NP here is not an exact science we dont know how a team that would have been dismantled by him and rebuilt would be any better placed.In fact to get the job he would have had basically the same squad as Jan. He may have got a few different old players who wrere on Bosmans but still would have had to sell Davies. A fact many people have yet to grasp. I'm looking forward to Wednesday and Saturday and 6 games in 20 days.
dubai_phil Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 The kids were superb today. Lallana still lacks the right decision at times but will be real quality. Dyer is not loved by many and some of the final balls could have been better BUT he was all over the place, turing up as cover at full back as well as contributing to some of the movement around the box, a good improvement on what has gone before with him this season. BUT They were let down by the selection of the side, a schoolboy error in defence within seconds of the start (which to be FAIR, Kelvin SHOULD have spotted and helped to sort out), the naive inexperience of Lancashire and a bad offside decision. Considering those handcuffs, up until the sending off we were playing football and had started to work some chances. Again, DMG covered ground but he does not give that edge in the box which an experienced head would do. After the second goal, many of the lads were almost out on their feet, their style of play means pace and movement all through the game. It was no surprise they were caught out, but consider a few things - when was the last time our Right Back crossed from the edge of the box and our LEFT back almost got onto the header and that after around 75 minutes? There are some VERY harsh lessons to learn today for JP, that's the second time he has made selection errors. The basics ARE there, but the balance is not. The experienced heads need to come in and do their shift and help. They earn the big bucks it is time for them to stand up and be counted, and time for Jan and his team to realise the results need to start NOW, not insh'allah. It is still too early to jump off the Itchen Bridge, but it is time to take the lessons and balance the side. It could be a very long season, but as long as the kids don't read this site, they kept their heads and kept playing, it could have been a lot worse, but it was not as bad a performance as many of last year. It was on TV we are ALWAYS cr*p or unlucky. Next match please
Calvin Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Quote Poortvliet got it so wrong today How did Jan get it wrong.. why do so many people think Saints youngsters are like Arsenal. It really aint an easy job managing young players in a physical league full of experience. We aint no Arsenal and we aint got enough to cash to have an experienced side. Quote I dont see cork as CB. 80 percent of fans kept saying that Cork should take up the CB role. I for one can see potential in Cork, even as CB Quote Lancashire had no need to make that challenge Well, Jan could have calmed down and warned him to not get too excited. but how was that Jans fault overall? Quote 1st goal was pathetic. Again, that is the lack of experience we have in the side. A young team which is learning the game slowly. Quote We played well considering we had 10 men. Those asking for a plan b should remember that we only had ten men today. Yeah. It was a team who fighted throughout most of the game and stayed on task. Shame about the result though. Quote Still too many youngsters playing for the sake of it. That is the main problem but I am sure the youngsters will learn their lesson eventually.
Greenridge Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 um pahars said: I'm sorry Yorkie, but I would rather be eeking out 1-0 wins and winning scrappy games as opposed to being the whipping boys who have spirit and play some neat football in the middle of the park. Football is ultimately about winning and the gutsy losers will soon be forgotten. Fully agree. We somehow need to bite the bullett and blend in some experience to tread water and nick a few points and get up the league. Total football is fine but this is a results orientated business. Relegation would be a catastrophic and unthinkable outcome for SFC. Yes it's early days but the brakes need applying PDQ.
Calvin Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Roger said: For god's sake nickh, when are you going to admit that lowe is making another major muck up. It is alll going downhill again. If croucha nd pearson were still here would be much better. What did crouch do wrong? Other than paying money out of his own pocket for the statue and appointing pearson manager, which was proved right. Crouch would have had balls to spend more, but on the other hand, SFC was on a downward spiral to chaos and still is now. Pearson.. I am still annoyed that he wasnt given a proper chance to prove himself, under Lowe and Wilde in charge.
dubai_phil Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Interestingly, only 13,000 fans there today, and that with ALL that money being invested in the team, some of the world's most successful businessmen running it and no other distractions in West London. And how many did we take? Hmmm 15,000 for Blackpool with about 10 away fans suddenly seems to be above the norm for televised games....
um pahars Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Greenridge said: Fully agree. We somehow need to bite the bullett and blend in some experience to tread water and nick a few points and get up the league. Total football is fine but this is a results orientated business. Relegation would be a catastrophic and unthinkable outcome for SFC. Yes it's early days but the brakes need applying PDQ. I was in agreement with Case after the game when he said we need to be tougher and we need some experience in there to help the youngsters (something Dublin was also saying). I don't mind us having a number of youngsters who have come through the ranks, but I was always worried that they would be outfought and outthought by seasoned pros in this division. I don't mind a majority of youngsters and inexperienced players, but the 9-2 majority today was a few too many. It's still early days, but I do think the "revolutionary new coaching set up" need to take a long hard think about just how many youngsters they play at any one time. If they haven't got the squad to enable them to do this, then someone needs to hold their hand up and say so, and then we need to get some loans in PDQ.
bolo Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 dubai_phil said: Interestingly, only 13,000 fans there today, and that with ALL that money being invested in the team, some of the world's most successful businessmen running it and no other distractions in West London. And how many did we take? Hmmm 15,000 for Blackpool with about 10 away fans suddenly seems to be above the norm for televised games.... they charge 600 quid for a season ticket....in that sh**hole
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 nickh said: .In fact to get the job he would have had basically the same squad as Jan. He may have got a few different old players who wrere on Bosmans but still would have had to sell Davies. To be fair though Nick, Pearson actually had to do that didn't he. When he came in he was told you got no money to spend, you got to get rid of some players (Rasiak,Skacel etc..) and you got a horrendous injury problem where your entire defence is in the treatment room (Claus,Svensson,Thomas,Davies,Vignal etc..) Plus he had crucial games that meant something, if we lost 5 of his games we would of been down, people have to remember that. Pearson didn't have a great win record (3 wins) but he didnt have a bad loss record either (3 loses) As far as i can remember Davies didn't actually play many games under Pearson, i think only 1? Pearson worked with what he had and did fairly well considering. The West Brom and Charlton games i will never forget how good we played and even though we drew it was like winning a cup. Jan has come in and had to do the same but the difference is he probably couldn't use the players who have gone under his system as they are too old and too slow which would mean total football could not work. He has a 20+ goal scorer on the bench and a 35 year old experienced central defender. But he went with a player who has never played before and inexperienced strikers. He made those decisions. If Pearson was here he would of made different ones, if that makes any sense.
Saint Martini Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 derry said: The team go a goal down in 37 secs, go down to 10 men on 30 mins, get back in the game, then the linesman misses Stewart already a yard offside running behind the defence before the freekick is taken and lets him score. We then have to attack with only 10 men, of course we are going to leave gaps. I thought the team was brilliant, their heads didn't drop, they tried until the end. They played good football, the goal was outstanding, they created chances whilst Kelvin Davis had a great game. It's a good job they didn't have the benefit of the hindsight, possessed by the negatives, or they wouldn't have got out of bed this morning. There is far too much unwarranted negative criticism, by some who clearly haven't a clue, as to the club's predicament, we have only one team. All the negative binding isn't going to change a thing. +1 I missed the first half because I had a match myself but I thought we were very good (with 10 men) until Morgan went off really. Before that we managed to get an equaliser and we dominated midfield. That we have to be punished by the most obvious offside goal in ages is a blow but even after that we were OK for a while. When Morgan went off and Pekhart came on we started to lose the midfield battle. Maybe plan B wasn't working this time around but with only 10 men there's only that much you can do. Strange decision though to take of Scheiderlin but I think he might have had a knock from a tackle by Delaney just a few minutes before. Btw, I'm hearing mixed messages on the red card. Was it justified or was it harsh?
1965onwards Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 There is little wrong with the play going forward,a little more experience and we will put more chances away. The problem is obviously at the back,where the fullbacks are just nowhere near up to the job. Defensively,JPs "totall football" equals total CRAP,has been all season,and shows no sign of improving. Today,there was no need to rest Perry,as he hasn't played for 2 weeks!!!!You blood a rookie CB at Home,not away. JP has brought in several players,but has neglected our weakest area of the team.He is as pig-headed as Burley.Hatch and Surman have shown no sign of being capable of doing the "total" job he expects of a fullback,and Cork is the only alternative. In midfield,while doing well,too many passes are made to players who are not in enough space.This is a consequence,i believe,of JPs mantra of quick passing,which too often results in passing for passings sake,whereas more patience would result in finding players in more space to carry the move on,rather than losing the ball,as happens too often at the moment. With our dodgy defense,it is more important than ever to retain the ball as much as possible,as this will reduce the other teams chances to attack us,and will also build and maintain confidence in the young players. It is imperative that we pick up points in the next few games,or the players confidence could well be shot to pieces.To do this we need to play a tighter,less expansive game.We have nothing to lose by doing this,as we are hardly putting our chances away anyway.A few draws would be an improvement at the moment,and we could move on from there. Someone needs to tell JP that this is professional football,not fantasy football,and Saints are not his fantasy team.Real teams get relegated,go out of business,people lose their jobs,and fans find themselves in despair. JP better find some pragmatism pretty damn quick,or he will soon find out what British football is really all about.
derry Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Experience is being promoted on here as the answer, for me it isn't. What would be useful is quality, fit, skilled, motivated, experienced players with leadership skills. The fact is we can't afford them. Thomas and Euell are long term injured, Skacel is probably looking to get away. Svennson, Perry, Wooton, Davis, John are motivated. I don't know where BWP stands. That leaves us with the rest of the young squad. I really can't see any point in pie in the sky proposals to insert experience, we just don't have much available.
derry Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Saint Martini said: +1 I missed the first half because I had a match myself but I thought we were very good (with 10 men) until Morgan went off really. Before that we managed to get an equaliser and we dominated midfield. That we have to be punished by the most obvious offside goal in ages is a blow but even after that we were OK for a while. When Morgan went off and Pekhart came on we started to lose the midfield battle. Maybe plan B wasn't working this time around but with only 10 men there's only that much you can do. Strange decision though to take of Scheiderlin but I think he might have had a knock from a tackle by Delaney just a few minutes before. Btw, I'm hearing mixed messages on the red card. Was it justified or was it harsh? To be fair the referee saw it once from one angle, I've seen it from several angles, several times, it looked harsh to me, and to the commentators.
um pahars Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 1965onwards said: There is little wrong with the play going forward,a little more experience and we will put more chances away. The problem is obviously at the back,where the fullbacks are just nowhere near up to the job. Defensively,JPs "totall football" equals total CRAP,has been all season,and shows no sign of improving. Today,there was no need to rest Perry,as he hasn't played for 2 weeks!!!!You blood a rookie CB at Home,not away. JP has brought in several players,but has neglected our weakest area of the team.He is as pig-headed as Burley.Hatch and Surman have shown no sign of being capable of doing the "total" job he expects of a fullback,and Cork is the only alternative. In midfield,while doing well,too many passes are made to players who are not in enough space.This is a consequence,i believe,of JPs mantra of quick passing,which too often results in passing for passings sake,whereas more patience would result in finding players in more space to carry the move on,rather than losing the ball,as happens too often at the moment. With our dodgy defense,it is more important than ever to retain the ball as much as possible,as this will reduce the other teams chances to attack us,and will also build and maintain confidence in the young players. It is imperative that we pick up points in the next few games,or the players confidence could well be shot to pieces.To do this we need to play a tighter,less expansive game.We have nothing to lose by doing this,as we are hardly putting our chances away anyway.A few draws would be an improvement at the moment,and we could move on from there. Someone needs to tell JP that this is professional football,not fantasy football,and Saints are not his fantasy team.Real teams get relegated,go out of business,people lose their jobs,and fans find themselves in despair. JP better find some pragmatism pretty damn quick,or he will soon find out what British football is really all about. A very good summary and something I really have an issue is the piece I have put in bold. IMHO the decision to go with two rookies at centre half away from home was wrong. If we are going to blood players, then at least try and pair them up with an experienced player. Additionally, try and do it home where the youngster might fel a bit more comfortable and also where the opposition might only play with one up front. JP was very naive today and IMHO it cost us.
gordonToo Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 1965onwards said: ... or he will soon find out what British football is really all about. ... and probably before Christmas at this rate.
um pahars Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 derry said: Experience is being promoted on here as the answer, for me it isn't. What would be useful is quality, fit, skilled, motivated, experienced players with leadership skills. The fact is we can't afford them. Thomas and Euell are long term injured, Skacel is probably looking to get away. Svennson, Perry, Wooton, Davis, John are motivated. I don't know where BWP stands. That leaves us with the rest of the young squad. I really can't see any point in pie in the sky proposals to insert experience, we just don't have much available. We knew Thomas has an injury history, we knew Killer would be touch and go, we knew Skacel was ****ed off and we must have known Perry was getting on a bit. So having known all that then maybe we should have thought about bringing in some other wise old heads who can help the youngsters in these tough matches. We may be skint, but there are players out there who would fit the bill and who would not have broken the bank (free transfers and an average wage). We didn't because the "revolutionary new coaching set up" believed the youngsters could hack it.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Groundhog Day. Need a win soon to restore confidence.
Fan The Flames Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 FloridaMarlin said: BBC Television Centre is being sold off within a couple of years. A huge, massive site, and just across Wood Lane one of Europe's biggest shopping malls is nearing completion. That, in itself, would make QPR an attractive proposition, access to a large plot of land in W London on which to build not only a new stadium but also with room to develop all around it. (Forget about a slow property market. They're rich enough to ride that out, an besides, the sort of development they would plan would be for the sort of buyer who doesn't have to worry about paying the mortgage. I don't think Social Housing is on their agenda). And don't think the BBC landing F1 for £50m is a mere coincidence. A pal at the Beeb tells me there are all sorts of wheels within wheels, and Bernie Ecclestone has his sights firmly set on the Television Centre site. That's what made QPR an attractive proposition to a group of rich and powerful businessmen, because it has the potential to make them even more money. And Southampton and the area around St Mary's has what? They didn't buy into QPR because Rodney Marsh and Gerry Francis used to play there. They don’t need QPR to access the Beeb site, they could buy the site if that is what is really going on behind the scene and develop it without a football stadium and make more money, 99% of developments don’t include a football stadium. I can understand them being interested in the Beeb site because they own QPR, because there isn’t much chance of developing Loftus Road. But you portray it as though they bought QPR because it gives them an advantage in getting the Beeb site, but I cant see how it does. London is the only answer, in my opinion as to why they bought QPR. Southampton has much more development opportunity than Loftus Road, the ground is a decent size and could be expanded there is plenty of land around the ground just ripe for development.
jasonbenali Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Some lovely football from the youngsters, but unless they learn how to defend we are just going to get picked off again and again. Yes, the luck didn't go our way today, but nearly every ball into our box or over the top caused mayhem with 10 or 11 men. Didn't learn the lessons from Blackpool and badly missed a leader at the back, as well as some protection from Gillett/Scheiderlin when down to 10. Sublime goal from Lallana was glorious to watch...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 wadesmith said: I can't believe I emailed Rupert Lowe 4 years ago advising if Glenn Hoddle comes back it will be the darkest episode in our history.......if only I could have seen what was lying ahead of us.... sorry Rupert I was a fool. There i've said it. Credit and respect for admitting it.
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 Kids are naive, end of story. They have all the talent in the world but running around like headless chickens is not what it is all about... The 'R' Word threatens... That is 'R' as in RELEGATION!
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 14 September, 2008 Posted 14 September, 2008 ericofarabia said: But playing such an inexperienced defence away to one of the league favourites is a wee bit bit niave to say the least :doubt: I fail to see the point of Dyer, he really flatters to deceive. Surely BWP would be a better option ... at least he used to score goals :confused: Got to feel sorry for Kelvin. He kept us in the game at Derby and made several great stopos today, he didn't deserve to be on the end of a -1 defeat. Lallana was probably his main contender for Saints MOTM. DMG was woeful, not that he was given much help till the new boy came on. I think he will be a cert to start next game. SJ must be wondering what the hell is going on though!! The word is spelt n a i v e - let's get it right because we'll be using it a lot.
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