QPR v Saints - Post Match Views

[aintforever]

If we continue with this "experience doesn't matter" attitude we are screwed.

[Mr X]

 

Its like the smug grin has been surgically implanted on his face. I've never seen a photo where he hasn't had it! does anyone have one?

[Saint Fan CaM]

Once again an inept defensive display. 10/10 to Davis who was outstanding in goal despite the scoreline which was in fact flattering to us. Gillet weak as p*55 - just too lightweight to command a CM position in the CCC. McGoldrick is not fit to even tie Blackstocks laces. Why did we not start with a strong backbone with Stern and then bring on the young lads later if necessary? Dyer once again was very poor - he has very little sense of where his team mates are - one day he might thread a convincing ball through to a runner.

 

However, as I have said since early in the season, what concerns me the most is JP and his complete lack of tactics when things are going wrong. When you go one player down, especially when its a CB, playing the same game and expecting to get away with it is suicide. Frankly, JP's credentials (or lack of them) are starting to show through.

 

In summary, the coach got it wrong today - played too many youngsters against one of the stronger teams in the league.

[InvictaSaint]

Am still 'happier' to have seen some Saints players wh have affinity with the club trying their hearts out until the end. As Sky said, their heads never dropped. But this is VERY worrying. As others have said, we don't seem to havea plan B and we look incredibly lightweight. Even in League 1 I could see us struggling playing this type of football. Great to watch - our goal being a prime example - but just so horribly incongruous with what it takes to compete in this league, never mind win it. I can see us losing to Ipswich and possible even a battle-hardened Barnsley (rather like Blackpool), at which point the total football revolution may be seen for what it actually is....great with experienced players, a massive gamble on the future of the club with kids. League 1 beckons I fear....

[Saint for ever]

We were unlucky to lose 4-1 and we played some good football and kept going for the game. However the defending was very sloppy and we looked too lightweight. We can take positives form this game, but we urgently need to pick up results.

 

Davis-8-Made some exellent saces, could do little about the goals

James-5-Was sloppy and let attacks down the right, added nothing going forward

Lancashire-5-Silly rash challenge, but didn't deserve to be sent off, before that he looked ok

Cork-6-Made some important clearences and got forward at times

Surman-6-Better than James, but made poor passes all game

Gillett-6-Looked lightweight, good play for the goal

Wotton-7-Looked stronger at CB than CM, made some good challenges

Schneiderlin-6-Added little to the attacks, played well at times

Lallana-7-Well taken goal, should have scored before

Holmes-6-Made goos runs and looked dangerous at times, hope his injury isn't serious

McGoldrick-6-Had few attempts, not strong enough for a lone striker

 

Dyer-7-Played well, especially on his weaker side

Pekhart-7-Got on the ball and looked strong and dangerous, looking forward to seeing him as a lone striker

[BotleySaint]

hard worker and a physical presence like Stern John

To be fair, I wouldn't put hard work and stern john into the same sentance But Pekhart would have been worth a go!

[Perennial Underachiever]

I for one agree with most of what you say.There comes a time where you have to let the facts speak for themselves,call it as you see it etc etc etc.People may disagree,call you a **** whatever,but at the end of the day people need to get real.

 

Agreed. This is going to be a rotten season and I fear the worst.

[alpine_saint]

Everything was poor.

 

The team sheet should have included Perry in the defence and not included Lancashire, his inexperience cost us and although it was a harsh red, he shouldnt have dived in.

 

Rudi should have been on in place of Gillet who for the second game running has looked poor and McG should have given way for John.

 

Poor Lino work meant that when QPR were on the back foot and us playing well, they were gifted a goal which gave them the game.

 

Im not at all confident about this season.

 

Yet at 4-1 down having seen the player you thought would not cut it in the team score his second goal of the game against you, you still have a cheshire cat grin you smug tw*t Lowe. Give your shares away! This is the only way we will attract an investor who can stop the rot

 

 

I dont think he is smirking or being smug, actually...

 

I reckon that is his "grimacing, but trying not to let anyone know things are getting to you" expression, because even a self-centred bigotted t**t like Lowe must be slowly coming to realise that his big experiment is failing - YET AGAIN.

 

I really wonder how long it will be until he scapegoats Poortvillet like a sacrifical lamb...

 

Hey, Roops - maybe its you and your "big idea" that's the problem, not the personnel involved....

[rocknrollman no2]

If we continue with this "experience doesn't matter" attitude we are screwed.

Also if we continue with Lowe in charge we will go down.

He messed up big time when he was first here and now hes back with his idea of "Total Football" ,he will relegate us again.

[saint1977]

Going down on that evidence I'm afraid and that of Blackpool game. Terrible defending, particularly after a well-worked goal to get level and our back 4 should have been shot for that 2nd goal alone. WTF was Lancashire thinking as well? Investors required and fast - can you honestly Nick H, Le Goddard and others tell us that we've progressed with Scooby's golden duo returning? At least Scoobs has a sense of humour. We've got the debt down but we aren't a sustainable League 1 club,unless we sell the stadium and sell Staplewood for housing. Wilde - if you are genuinely a fan, give up your shares and get the club out of this mess. They will be worth nothing in May at this rate anyway....

 

£3m in investment from the board over the last 2 decades - simply not enough when the Dell and SMS have had largely good gates. If the rumours I've heard from the local business community are true, we may well be in administration before the end of October and take the -15. Let's hope Lowe and Wilde get some competition and don't get to repeat their mistakes. I would feel very sorry for all the local businesses, particularly in a declining economy.

Edited 14 September, 2008 by saint1977

[ALWAYS_SFC]

We were unlucky to lose 4-1 and we played some good football and kept going for the game. However the defending was very sloppy and we looked too lightweight. We can take positives form this game, but we urgently need to pick up results.

 

Davis-8-Made some exellent saces, could do little about the goals

James-5-Was sloppy and let attacks down the right, added nothing going forward

Lancashire-5-Silly rash challenge, but didn't deserve to be sent off, before that he looked ok

Cork-6-Made some important clearences and got forward at times

Surman-6-Better than James, but made poor passes all game

Gillett-6-Looked lightweight, good play for the goal

Wotton-7-Looked stronger at CB than CM, made some good challenges

Schneiderlin-6-Added little to the attacks, played well at times

Lallana-7-Well taken goal, should have scored before

Holmes-6-Made goos runs and looked dangerous at times, hope his injury isn't serious

McGoldrick-6-Had few attempts, not strong enough for a lone striker

 

Dyer-7-Played well, especially on his weaker side

Pekhart-7-Got on the ball and looked strong and dangerous, looking forward to seeing him as a lone striker

 

The first few words in the post made it not worth reading.

 

How on earth can you say we were unlucky to lose 4-1..FFS it should have been at least 7

[sfc6mufc3]

Shame that blind idiot of a linesman can't see an offside decision which is right infront of him, it wasn't even close. Seriously how can they get it so wrong?

 

Shame we are awful defensively, becasue infront of that we have the makings of a decent team.

 

Ba defending for 1st goal and sending off didn't help, but that 'goal' really killed us I feel. What a bad decision - different ref and I thin kwe may have seen a different result it was 13 (ref & lino) v 10 at times.

 

Got hopeful when we equalised - what was I thinking. The writing was on the wall with some of the decisions - how did the ref think Holmes ended up on crutches????

[St Paul]

Youngsters need nurturing, they need dipping into first team football and taken out. They need experianced pro's along side them. If they're thrown in on mass and keep getting beat it's going to have an effect on their careers.

 

Did Steve Williams not become a proper player by playing alongside Alan Ball, or Matt with Jimmy Case. We need older heads in there and we need them now, otherwise we're going to ruin this crop of youngsters.

 

I understand we cant have players like Bally and JC, but we have Stern John and Perry. We can also use the loan window to get some in..........

[dubai_phil]

Good, that's the televised games out the way.

 

We shuurree gave them Londoners a footballing lesson today.

 

good news is the International coverage commentator reckons we'd be dead set nail down certs

 

 

To win the reserve league this season.

 

Good, pretty football, DMG not effective enough although plenty of effort and WHY oh WHY not put Wotton at the back with ONE of the kids from the start IF he HAD to rest Perry (after two weeks off) and Peckhart doesn't seem mobile enough for this formation.

 

Lovely goal AND ludicrous offside for their 2nd who knows what could have happened.......

not

 

BUT good spirit, heads didn't go down

 

unlike us if we keep these sort of schoolboy mistakes in selection and on the pitch

[Matt SFC]

i think promotion may not be on the cards

[ericofarabia]

I think Jan was well quoted as saying he needed to rotatate the squad with 7 games in 21 days

 

But playing such an inexperienced defence away to one of the league favourites is a wee bit bit niave to say the least :doubt:

 

I fail to see the point of Dyer, he really flatters to deceive. Surely BWP would be a better option ... at least he used to score goals :confused:

 

Got to feel sorry for Kelvin. He kept us in the game at Derby and made several great stopos today, he didn't deserve to be on the end of a -1 defeat. Lallana was probably his main contender for Saints MOTM.

 

DMG was woeful, not that he was given much help till the new boy came on. I think he will be a cert to start next game. SJ must be wondering what the hell is going on though!!

[Delmary]

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[exit2]

We were unlucky to lose 4-1

 

You reckon! If it wasnt for KD I think it could have been 7 or 8!

[OldNick]

Jan got it wrong.Why he didnt play Perry was a worry from the start. James should have stayed at the back post for the first goal, he was sucked in against Brum and the same today.

With 10 men we were always likely to lose but how that linesman missed that offside is amazing.When the ball went in I immediately thought dont worry it will be cancelled out.TYhat was a vital decision, from then on we were doomed.DMG looked out of sorts and I was surprised John was not used.

[Larrylove]

Am still 'happier' to have seen some Saints players wh have affinity with the club trying their hearts out until the end. As Sky said, their heads never dropped. But this is VERY worrying. As others have said, we don't seem to havea plan B and we look incredibly lightweight. Even in League 1 I could see us struggling playing this type of football. Great to watch - our goal being a prime example - but just so horribly incongruous with what it takes to compete in this league, never mind win it. I can see us losing to Ipswich and possible even a battle-hardened Barnsley (rather like Blackpool), at which point the total football revolution may be seen for what it actually is....great with experienced players, a massive gamble on the future of the club with kids. League 1 beckons I fear....

 

I know where your coming from with the affinity with the club idea,but again it goes back to getting the mix right,maybe 4/5 youngsters,and the rest your Perrys and KD's to balance it out,getting worried it's gonna turn nasty at home now with a new Lowe out campaign,long season ahead methinks!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I dont think he is smirking or being smug, actually...

 

I reckon that is his "grimacing, but trying not to let anyone know things are getting to you" expression, because even a self-centred bigotted t**t like Lowe must be slowly coming to realise that his big experiment is failing - YET AGAIN.

 

I really wonder how long it will be until he scapegoats Poortvillet like a sacrifical lamb...

 

Hey, Roops - maybe its you and your "big idea" that's the problem, not the personnel involved....

 

Did you see him down by the "dugout" just before the game talking with

JP...but then it was probably a tactical discussion as he is "director of Football" isn`t he?

[simo]

Mind you still only 5 points off the play-offs!

[mitch01]

I can't understand some of these reactions, how did we expect anything other than these kind of games? Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do. The quality just isnt there. As I said before the season started, 21st would be a huge achievement.

[derry]

The team go a goal down in 37 secs, go down to 10 men on 30 mins, get back in the game, then the linesman misses Stewart already a yard offside running behind the defence before the freekick is taken and lets him score.

 

We then have to attack with only 10 men, of course we are going to leave gaps.

 

I thought the team was brilliant, their heads didn't drop, they tried until the end. They played good football, the goal was outstanding, they created chances whilst Kelvin Davis had a great game.

 

It's a good job they didn't have the benefit of the hindsight, possessed by the negatives, or they wouldn't have got out of bed this morning.

 

There is far too much unwarranted negative criticism, by some who clearly haven't a clue, as to the club's predicament, we have only one team. All the negative binding isn't going to change a thing.

Edited 14 September, 2008 by derry

[Delmary]

We were unlucky to lose 4-1 and we played some good football and kept going for the game.

Could of been 8-1 according to Case on Radio Hampshire.

[Whitey Grandad]

How on earth can you say we were unlucky to lose 4-1..FFS it should have been at least 7

You took the words right out of my mouth. (well, keyboard actually)

[Saint Fan CaM]

Just thought it worthwhile also pointing out that QPR also played some attractive football - its just that they attack THE GOAL rather than play tip-tappy attractive football around the perimeter of the penalty area. Let me repeat that strange concept - they attack THE GOAL! Can you hear me JP?!

 

We need a player like Stern John who can SHOOT! Err, what do you mean he was on bench....?

[Micky]

Defensively weak and inept at times, pretty stuff in midfield but rarely a threat up front. Thank the lord for Kelvin Davis though, perhaps now some of his critics here will realise just how much we do need him.

[Nexstar]

Ipswich on tuesday will be tough, can see it being a draw. Need to win against barnsley on saturday really or could defiantly see us as strong relegation contenders.

[Micky]

i think promotion may not be on the cards

 

That's most intuitive of you... I would concur though...!!

[OldNick]

Going down on that evidence I'm afraid and that of Blackpool game. Terrible defending, particularly after a well-worked goal to get level and our back 4 should have been shot for that 2nd goal alone. WTF was Lancashire thinking as well? Investors required and fast - can you honestly Nick H, Le Goddard and others tell us that we've progressed with Scooby's golden duo returning? At least Scoobs has a sense of humour. We've got the debt down but we aren't a sustainable League 1 club,unless we sell the stadium and sell Staplewood for housing. Wilde - if you are genuinely a fan, give up your shares and get the club out of this mess. They will be worth nothing in May at this rate anyway....

 

£3m in investment from the board over the last 2 decades - simply not enough when the Dell and SMS have had largely good gates. If the rumours I've heard from the local business community are true, we may well be in administration before the end of October and take the -15. Let's hope Lowe and Wilde get some competition and don't get to repeat their mistakes. I would feel very sorry for all the local businesses, particularly in a declining economy.

Tell me who is gagging to buy the club? LC would have had to sell the lot as well,we are paying for the excesses the last 2 seasons. If we stay out of administration that is a 15 point gain. Dont give up just yet, I know it is bleak but why not stay behind the team, they need us.

[Leicestersaint]

I think there are some extreme panicky remarks on this thread - even the biased commentators on Sky said we were the better side for much of the second half. The first goal was dreadful, the sending off was harsh, their second goal was miles offside.

 

My greatest concern is who is the leader(s) on the pitch? I would not be surprised if we win the next 4 games - but I wouldn't be surprised if we lose them either.

[alpine_saint]

I can't understand some of these reactions, how did we expect anything other than these kind of games? Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do. The quality just isnt there. As I said before the season started, 21st would be a huge achievement.

 

Have you ever thought, for just one second, that maybe its the WRONG thing to do ??

 

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel that you seem to be subconsciously expecting to come along at some point in the future ?

 

Lowe's approach aint working. It's severely demoralising the fan base, and the attendances are going to massively suffer. That will be the proverbial straw for the camels back where the banks are concerned.

 

The club is rotten to the core - there is only one way back, and I cannot see how that will be more painful than what is going on now.

[saintant]

Cork is not a centre back - too light weight and not good in the air. He was a real weak link at the back for us today and Surman wasn't far behind him. We have a good footballing side but until we sort out the defence which looks so fragile and weak in terms of pshysical strength and nous we will always gift goals to the opposition. No matter how well you play going forward if you are giving away gift goals and presenting your opponents with chances galore you will not win many games. We made Blackstock look world class even though he was playing up fron on his own and that says it all. There is so much talent in this side going forward but somehow we must develop a sold foundation at the back. Thought Lalana was superb today and deserved to score what was a superbly worked goal.

[Micky]

Mind you still only 5 points off the play-offs!

 

You need to go sit with the Original Bournemouth Saint with comments such as that...!

[Delmary]

Ipswich on tuesday will be tough, can see it being a draw. Need to win against barnsley on saturday really or could defiantly see us as strong relegation contenders.

Wednesday

[rocknrollman no2]

I can't understand some of these reactions, how did we expect anything other than these kind of games? Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do. The quality just isnt there. As I said before the season started, 21st would be a huge achievement.

 

Wont make much difference if we are relegated again.

[OldNick]

The team go a goal down in 37 secs, go down to 10 men on 30 mins, get back in the game, then the linesman misses Stewart already a yard offside running behind the defence before the freekick is taken and lets him score.

 

We then have to attack with only 10 men, of course we are going to leave gaps.

 

I thought the team was brilliant, their heads didn't drop, they tried until the end. They played good football, the goal was outstanding, they created chances whilst Kelvin Davis had a great game.

 

It's a good job they didn't have the benefit of the hindsight, possessed by the negatives, or they wouldn't have got out of bed this morning.

 

There is far too much unwarranted negative criticism, by some who clearly haven't a clue, as to the club's predicament, we have only one team. All the negative bindindg isn't going to change a thing.

Well said Derry.

[Whitey Grandad]

Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do.

Let's see how big the crowd is next week before we make comments like that. This club is now financed almost entirely through gate receipts and if we carry on with the 'cheap' option we shall end up with the cheap result.

[Nexstar]

Wednesday

 

Ah good news, we generally do better on wednesdays. I expect a 5-0 win and nothing less.

[saint1977]

Jan got it wrong.Why he didnt play Perry was a worry from the start. James should have stayed at the back post for the first goal, he was sucked in against Brum and the same today.

With 10 men we were always likely to lose but how that linesman missed that offside is amazing.When the ball went in I immediately thought dont worry it will be cancelled out.TYhat was a vital decision, from then on we were doomed.DMG looked out of sorts and I was surprised John was not used.

 

Fair play to you Nick, respect what you've said. I'm not rabidly anti-Lowe but we need some clout in the boardroom (financially) to stay out of administration and some more in the dug-out to stay in the CCC. Little evidence of either. The lino wasn't clever but you still have to play to the whistle and let's face it, Blackpool should have scored 4 or 5 in the second half in the last match. I did get my hopes up after Derby and Brum but typical weak Saints really. New ownership is the only thing that might give us a football club again, let alone unlock it's potential. Very sad day typing this.

[Mr X]

I can't understand some of these reactions, how did we expect anything other than these kind of games? Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do. The quality just isnt there. As I said before the season started, 21st would be a huge achievement.

 

So your saying we should be aiming to just scrape survival at best?

[Navyred]

FFS. We were seen off by Ollie's red card (should have been yellow) and an incredibly bad decision from Tthe linesman for their second goal. Up to that point we were competing if not playing better than a team that is full of professional players. Our kids were outstanding today, when they had to chase the game, they got caught - remember we were playing with ten men for over an hour. As for playing Rudi - ****, doesn't want to be here, and is after a money move. Perry - old, knackered and no vision. John is the only one that I would have used today. Davis was outstanding in goal today - MOTM in my opinion.

 

We don't have the resource, we need to get behind these kids - they are playing their hearts out - stop your frigging whinging on this board.

 

COYR

[Thedelldays]

oh my christ...we are in the shiiit BIG TIME

[Whitey Grandad]

I expect a 5-0 win and nothing less.

To whom?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I can't understand some of these reactions, how did we expect anything other than these kind of games? Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do. The quality just isnt there. As I said before the season started, 21st would be a huge achievement.

 

 

We have no reall idea of how we are really doing at the moment have we?

 

We wil have some indication of how well we are come the January transfer

window by how many of the few saleable assets are retained.

 

For one i feel Lallana will be one who will be sold...

[Halo Stickman]

Yes, their second goal was a mile offside, the sending off perhaps could have been just a booking and we played some decent football at times. But quite honestly, without Davis it could have been double figures.

 

Anyone who believes we can cut it in this league with so many kids in the team at once is naive, stupid or just plain pig headed. To ask Lancashire and Cork to make their debuts in such an inexperienced defense was asking for trouble.

 

The great shame of all this is that players such as Lallana have real potential, if only their talent could be allied with some experience alongside them. But, if we carry on like this, even the self-belief of youth is in danger of becoming seriously undermined.

[aintforever]

Lowe is keeping our head above water financially, he is doing what he has to do.

 

Complete ******, there was absolutely no need for a Dutch total football experiment.

[OldNick]

Have you ever thought, for just one second, that maybe its the WRONG thing to do ??

 

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel that you seem to be subconsciously expecting to come along at some point in the future ?

 

Lowe's approach aint working. It's severely demoralising the fan base, and the attendances are going to massively suffer. That will be the proverbial straw for the camels back where the banks are concerned.

 

The club is rotten to the core - there is only one way back, and I cannot see how that will be more painful than what is going on now.

Alpine please tell me how there is a different way. I can categorily tell you the banks backed Crouch as long as he agreed to sell anything he could. RL came in and implimented the restructuring.To inject new faces into the side to replace you have to go for the free option, and that is playing the reserves.Loans and any other signings cost considerable sums of money, unless you can players free of contract.I dont feel like an arguement about it, just give us a well thought out strategy that costs nunpence.

[sun of spain]

 

 

 

What's that blue thing round Rupert's neck,is he on a lead ? :confused: