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St Landrew

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It's Ireland. Who cares.

 

If Henry did the same against..... Macedonia, we wouldn't care.

 

Do you know, I'm thinking of deleting this post, it has so little merit.

 

Its a factual point though. Seriously, who would really give a hoot?

The over reaction is laughable amongst the media and this country.

 

He hasn't made a factual point. In fact, he's missed the entire point. It's not Ireland who has suffered the injustice, but football itself. It matters not one jot that it was Ireland who were on the sh!tty end of the stick. Football has gone wrong yet again in allowing that goal to stand. We have the technology to make sure 99.9% of decisions by the referee can be verified or turned around. We should use it.

 

This call for a replay is rubbish. The teams should go back to the stadium and the clock should be set to the time remaining in the match. A free kick should be awarded to the Irish, and the game played out. Whichever team loses would then be fairly beaten. End of story.

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He hasn't made a factual point. In fact, he's missed the entire point. It's not Ireland who has suffered the injustice, but football itself. It matters not one jot that it was Ireland who were on the sh!tty end of the stick. Football has gone wrong yet again in allowing that goal to stand. We have the technology to make sure 99.9% of decisions by the referee can be verified or turned around. We should use it.

 

This call for a replay is rubbish. The teams should go back to the stadium and the clock should be set to the time remaining in the match. A free kick should be awarded to the Irish, and the game played out. Whichever team loses would then be fairly beaten. End of story.

 

Totally agree,

 

I think seeding has nothing to do with this debate. When the draw was first made I was saying that the Irish had a very good chance, The French team now is not the team it was of 10 years ago by any means.

 

Until there is another official or video technology is used for dubious goals this will happen again and again and again and again. . . . . . ..

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I would suspect that there has never been a football game where somebody has not cheated and got away with it.

 

Henry is guilty of getting (obviously) caught on TV, no more than that.

 

Was Mark Dennis, for example, not cheating with his over-vigorous approach to tackling ?

 

Was the Ale House 11 famed for playing within the rules ?

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SFKA South Woodford

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It's going ott now

 

just put talksport on this morning and they are still going in about it and how sorry they are for Ireland. They are not even British and would have laughed if it happened to us

I'm sick of having to feel sorry for the other home nations/Ireland. Who give a rats arse.

 

Like a lot of people on here, I have no love of the Irish or any of the other 'Home' nations especially with their propensity to revel in Englands defeats and failiures, so am not feeling sorry for them.

 

I like a lot of others on here are saddened that this blatant act of cheating has taken place and has happened during a very important football match, and nothing is being done to even bring a modicum of justice to the proceedings.

 

I'm sure we would all feel the same way if it was any other country 'although in my case, if it was France that had suffered it would probably be a different case entirely', and just want some justice for the game of football if nothing else.

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He hasn't made a factual point. In fact, he's missed the entire point. It's not Ireland who has suffered the injustice, but football itself. It matters not one jot that it was Ireland who were on the sh!tty end of the stick. Football has gone wrong yet again in allowing that goal to stand. We have the technology to make sure 99.9% of decisions by the referee can be verified or turned around. We should use it.

 

This call for a replay is rubbish. The teams should go back to the stadium and the clock should be set to the time remaining in the match. A free kick should be awarded to the Irish, and the game played out. Whichever team loses would then be fairly beaten. End of story.

 

But football is standing by the principle that the rule of law is administered on the pitch during the 90 mins. Its does allow challenges after the match for violent behaviour or bringing the game into dispute, but only if these were not already dealt with by the ref.

 

It is a principle that is tested to breaking point by this goal, but non the less it is a principle they are standing by. I would rather this consistent approach and I don't think it is for the footballing authorities to ask for a rematch.

 

The French should have the balls to offer the Irish penalties back at their place or to resume the match at that point in time. Self governance is the best way.

 

People moaning about why is it such big news in the UK, well our countries have been entwined for hundreds of years and many families have Irish in them, so its of no surprise people care that these guys chance to go the World Cup has been robbed by a millionaire footballer who has already won everything.

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But football is standing by the principle that the rule of law is administered on the pitch during the 90 mins. Its does allow challenges after the match for violent behaviour or bringing the game into dispute, but only if these were not already dealt with by the ref.

 

It is a principle that is tested to breaking point by this goal, but non the less it is a principle they are standing by. I would rather this consistent approach and I don't think it is for the footballing authorities to ask for a rematch.

 

The French should have the balls to offer the Irish penalties back at their place or to resume the match at that point in time. Self governance is the best way.

 

People moaning about why is it such big news in the UK, well our countries have been entwined for hundreds of years and many families have Irish in them, so its of no surprise people care that these guys chance to go the World Cup has been robbed by a millionaire footballer who has already won everything.

 

This is rather undermined by the precedenct set when the bahrain game was replayed.

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Whitey Grandad

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If we are going to talk about replaying a match because of this one particular bad decision then we would have to review all of the games that were played in the group stages. The competition was extended so that more countries could participate, and that's when the seedings started in earnest. How many teams were in the finals in England in 1966? Wasn't it only 16? Then we went to 24 and now it's 32. In order to accommodate all the new teams then seeding was introduced to satisfy the traditional big names. I have some sympathy with the complaints about seeding being introduced to the play-offs at a late stage, though. If this had been the situation at the start of the group stages, would it have affected the way that some of the teams played? We shall never know.

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He hasn't made a factual point. In fact, he's missed the entire point. It's not Ireland who has suffered the injustice, but football itself. It matters not one jot that it was Ireland who were on the sh!tty end of the stick. Football has gone wrong yet again in allowing that goal to stand. We have the technology to make sure 99.9% of decisions by the referee can be verified or turned around. We should use it.

 

This call for a replay is rubbish. The teams should go back to the stadium and the clock should be set to the time remaining in the match. A free kick should be awarded to the Irish, and the game played out. Whichever team loses would then be fairly beaten. End of story.

 

Football itself? Shut up you berk. It's one decision ffs. Football has not gone wrong yet again at all. The goal should be allowed to stand because the ref decided at the time there was nothing wrong with it. Yes there was, and yes we know about it now and yes video technology or an extra ref behind the goal would have sorted it but everyone knew the rules before this game, everyone knew that there would be no technology to help them, there would be no extra ref behind the goal. If you are calling for the game to be continued on from that point again then why are you not calling it for basically every other game that Ireland played in this campaign where I can probably find you example after example of somebody cheating and it affecting the match. Not just every game Ireland played but every game that Saints have played this season.

 

It's one game. One decision. Just because it was Ireland in the world cup doesn't mean it should get special treatment.

 

Keane made a fantastic point about the Georgia game and a penalty decision that should never have been given. So what if he has a personal agenda?

 

Every game has decisions that go your way or that don't. Thats football. All it is is one decision that in fairness to the ref he couldn't have called correctly from his position. As Keane said, get over it.

 

Its something for Fifa to look upon, however football games are full of cheating, every single game people cheat. It's just another game, just another decision. It's the way football has always been and we have the same boring talk after every BIG game decision.

 

How you can argue the point about it being anyone other than Ireland we wouldn't care is beyond me. If Keane had scored his chances and Doyle had taken his in the game, we wouldn't be talking about this Henry incident at all.

 

The over reaction is laughable.

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Football itself? Shut up you berk. It's one decision ffs. Football has not gone wrong yet again at all. The goal should be allowed to stand because the ref decided at the time there was nothing wrong with it. Yes there was, and yes we know about it now and yes video technology or an extra ref behind the goal would have sorted it but everyone knew the rules before this game, everyone knew that there would be no technology to help them, there would be no extra ref behind the goal. If you are calling for the game to be continued on from that point again then why are you not calling it for basically every other game that Ireland played in this campaign where I can probably find you example after example of somebody cheating and it affecting the match. Not just every game Ireland played but every game that Saints have played this season.

 

It's one game. One decision. Just because it was Ireland in the world cup doesn't mean it should get special treatment.

 

Keane made a fantastic point about the Georgia game and a penalty decision that should never have been given. So what if he has a personal agenda?

 

Every game has decisions that go your way or that don't. Thats football. All it is is one decision that in fairness to the ref he couldn't have called correctly from his position. As Keane said, get over it.

 

Its something for Fifa to look upon, however football games are full of cheating, every single game people cheat. It's just another game, just another decision. It's the way football has always been and we have the same boring talk after every BIG game decision.

 

How you can argue the point about it being anyone other than Ireland we wouldn't care is beyond me. If Keane had scored his chances and Doyle had taken his in the game, we wouldn't be talking about this Henry incident at all.

 

The over reaction is laughable.

Your over reaction to the "over reaction" is laughable ;-)

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Nice to see 62% of French public opinion supports the match being replayed. It's left a really bitter taste in the month of the average man in the street. Even more is the French Football Association's decision to reconfirm the manager in his job, a manager who is such a bad loser yet condons cheating in order to qualify with a team of useless prima donnas. We ain't heard the end of this affair by a long shot.

 

To add your vote to French Public Opinion in Le Monde

 

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/sondage/2009/11/20/etes-vous-favorable-a-ce-que-le-match-france-irlande-soit-rejoue_1269657_3242.html#ens_id=1245881

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St Landrew

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where is everyones outrage for this one then...?

 

Disgusting decision. Video evidence showed it to be so. Any football governing body which doesn't see the need for video evidence either doesn't want fair play or doesn't care for it. In which case, I no longer care for football.

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St Landrew

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Football itself? Shut up you berk. It's one decision ffs. Football has not gone wrong yet again at all. The goal should be allowed to stand because the ref decided at the time there was nothing wrong with it. Yes there was, and yes we know about it now and yes video technology or an extra ref behind the goal would have sorted it but everyone knew the rules before this game, everyone knew that there would be no technology to help them, there would be no extra ref behind the goal. If you are calling for the game to be continued on from that point again then why are you not calling it for basically every other game that Ireland played in this campaign where I can probably find you example after example of somebody cheating and it affecting the match. Not just every game Ireland played but every game that Saints have played this season.

 

It's one game. One decision. Just because it was Ireland in the world cup doesn't mean it should get special treatment.

 

Keane made a fantastic point about the Georgia game and a penalty decision that should never have been given. So what if he has a personal agenda?

 

Every game has decisions that go your way or that don't. Thats football. All it is is one decision that in fairness to the ref he couldn't have called correctly from his position. As Keane said, get over it.

 

Its something for Fifa to look upon, however football games are full of cheating, every single game people cheat. It's just another game, just another decision. It's the way football has always been and we have the same boring talk after every BIG game decision.

 

How you can argue the point about it being anyone other than Ireland we wouldn't care is beyond me. If Keane had scored his chances and Doyle had taken his in the game, we wouldn't be talking about this Henry incident at all.

 

The over reaction is laughable.

 

You still don't get it, do you.

 

OK, I'll make it plain. In the days before it was possible to confirm a dodgy refereeing decision we had to go on what was best - the ref himself. But since video technology has been around for almost 20 years, I have been calling for its introduction. You may have not been listening or reading, but it is so.

 

So it isn't just an isolated match that I'm taking issue with, it's all games where the wrong decision has been reached. I carry no favouritism at all, including anything involving Saints.

 

The fact that Ireland got a bad penalty against Georgia means nothing in this context. One team got a bad penalty against another team, and it could so easily have been corrected. Take away the bullsh!t of who cares about this or that, or which team. It's about playing to the rules. Not about playing to the referee's faulty eyesight. Yes, one of the rules says that the referees decision is final. Rules that were written in the days when no quick and reliable verification was possible or affordable. And besides, people abided by the decisions back then. Now they don't, and it is because it means so much, in certain matches.

 

For me, there has been a case for video technology in International matches, since the technology became available. If a league [the Premiership, for example] can afford it, then they should take it on too.

 

So please don't insult me with your cries of berk, because you think I am having some massive knee jerk reaction over one game, and it has affected the Irish, because I have been raising this issue so many times I'm bored with it. I couldn't give a toss about which particular team this has affected [which you surely must have gathered from my previous post], only that football has let itself down again. Cricket and Rugby Union shows us the way. It's time football followed.

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But football is standing by the principle that the rule of law is administered on the pitch during the 90 mins. Its does allow challenges after the match for violent behaviour or bringing the game into dispute, but only if these were not already dealt with by the ref.

Accepting that you really meant disrepute, then isn't this one of the most blatant examples of "bringing the game into disrepute"? The game is clearly now in disrepute, action must and should be taken to ensure that this does allow the game to be tarnsihed.

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The calls for technology have like you said been going on for years. Thats not where yours or peoples over reaction is laughable.

 

The embarrasing over reaction is the calls for replaying the match, including your own absurd claim that they should start the game from the time in the game when it happened.

 

That is why you are a berk.

 

The reaction to one incident has been so over the top its made it look like the only incident thats ever happened like this, but cheating to change the outcome the game happens in every game up and down the country every weekend.

 

Maybe it should be kicked out. (Although, personally i'd argue that cheating happens in every game, every move and every minute and that it could get so out of hand it would ruin the game.)Technology could help that but the fact is right now, the refs decision is final. Thats why this game and the result should stand.

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krissyboy31

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Video evidence is not always conclusive and can often be misleading. If you're going to have another couple of referees, stick them down alongside the pitch.

 

If the video evidence is inconclusive, then the match officials original decision stands. It's when a clear f*ck-up has been made, the decision should be reversed. The 4th official has a tv monitor which can be viewed and reviewed immediately. He's already got the radio link to the ref and if he can't be seen to overrule the decision, he can call the ref over to see for himself.

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The 4th official has a tv monitor which can be viewed and reviewed immediately. He's already got the radio link to the ref and if he can't be seen to overrule the decision, he can call the ref over to see for himself.

 

You are too sensible for words.

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If the video evidence is inconclusive, then the match officials original decision stands. It's when a clear f*ck-up has been made, the decision should be reversed. The 4th official has a tv monitor which can be viewed and reviewed immediately. He's already got the radio link to the ref and if he can't be seen to overrule the decision, he can call the ref over to see for himself.

Its already been done and the correct decisions made, I remember a last minute handball on the line wasnt spotted in an international game, the 4th official then told the ref and the decision was reversed......so FIFA took the monitor away from the 4th official so the wrong call would stand.

 

They say they want football to remain the same at all levels but their idea of 2 extra officials by the goal wont work because lower leagues struggle to find refs and run without proper linesmen. Theres no way they are going to get another 2 people per game.

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I can't get worked up over this. It wasn't Saints and wasn't England. Personally I don't give a flying **** if a hoofball team misses out. Get over it. I've no allegiance to Ireland, I think they were desperately unlucky to get a bum decision, however,it doesn't even rank anywhere near Maradonna's HOG in Mexico

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They say they want football to remain the same at all levels

 

But that's just their usual cop out! Football has never been the same at grass roots level as it is at international levels. FFS we can't get consistency of decisions made in the same match by the same referee. As you say most Sunday morning football has the substitutes running the line, having no decision powers apart from (a biased opinion of) offside. The FA should never of relinquished law making to FIFA, they've pretty much destroyed the game over the years. At least the MCC still has control of the cricketing rulebook.

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I object to the way the game is being run by FIFA/UEFA/English FA, where money and "big team" mentailty rules all. I find the continual shoulder-shrug and back-turning of the authorities to the conduct of the players and officials of the "big teams" in the name of attendance and TV revenue to be utterly abhorrent. But that is the way sport is going; there are very few true "sports" left. For another example, look at the way Ferrari invariably get their way in Formula 1.

 

Since I am English, Ireland deserve no special sympathy in my heart for this case more than if it were, say Liechtenstein or the Faroe Islands.

 

The emotional relationship between England and the rest of the British Isles is truly f**king bizarre. The rest of the Isles f**king HATE the English, but expect and demand some sort of special empathy from the English when they suffer....:rolleyes:

 

Ireland is not part of the British Isles

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You still don't get it, do you.

 

OK, I'll make it plain blah blah blah.

 

I think the point though is that the France v Ireland game is history, and calling for video evidence to be used in restrospect is bonkers. Why not the ireland penalty against Georgia? Or the last time or the time before that?

 

Sure, introduce it for the next game, why not, but all this post facto hysteria is just ridiculous

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