The most disgusting goal ever...

[Scudamore]

Any goal involving Ben Thatcher...

[slickmick]

The biggest load of claptrap I have ever heard.

 

Very sure. Utterly convinced infact. It is a natural human reaction. The time from when the ball bounces infront of him and towards him to the time where it hits his hand is less than a second. Are you telling me anyone in the world can seriously go through the thought process of deciding whether to leave his hand there and keep it in or pull his hand away and then actually doing the action itself.

 

I can't be arsed to get technical and discuss with you the decision making processs and how your mind and body works before you actually do an action but trust me, to think about pulling it away and then actually pulling it away would take alot longer than needed in this instance for Henry to remove his hand than to do the thing that comes as an human nature instinct to keep the ball in play with his hand.

 

 

 

You realise you are talking complete and utter tosh? If that scenario werre to happen you'd call for us to play a replay? That will never happpen. If Henry had the chance to do it again he would not own up to the referee at all. Did Trotman own up to the referee when he kicked the ball out of the Southends keepers hands? No.

 

That scenario happens every week at some level of football, just because its a high profile game does not make it anyy more or less cheating.

 

Football is all about cheating. When the ball clearly left the play from the player and he still raises hands to appeal to the ref to get a corner it's the same cheating. There is a good chance a goal would be scored from that wrong corner. If the wall moves closer to the ball during the free kick it's the same cheating that can prevent a goal scored. Holding the ball or knocking it away after conceding a free kick to time waste and letting your teammates to return to defense if there was a break from the opposite team. Defenders clearly tripping the attackers and then pretending they didn't touch him. If the ref doesn't give a penner they usually start to accuse the attacker of diving just to make the referee sure he made a right decision. Holding the players during the free kicks and corners is the same. The fact that it's done every match doesn't make it any less of cheating. The ball is not even in play yet and it's a disallowed act. Goalkeepers consiously moving of the line during the penalty kick is cheating too.

 

Any of these happens regularly and can change the result of the match like what happened with Henry yesterday. What he did is cheating. But acts of cheating happen every match in double numbers and it's not right at all to single Henry out. All the possible cheatings I mentioned and many more should be punished too. However if we did tihs and cheating was stamped out of the game...the game would be far worse off for it.

 

Couldn't agree more Derry.

Never mind the result there is the means available to make sure these situations can't happen.

 

Last night apart from the handball goal the referee did get the Anelka penalty dive right, he went down like he was shot, it looked a bolted on penalty until the replay easily showed Given didn't touch him.

 

N'gogg for Liverpool was similar.

 

Two things should but won't happen, following the present extra goal line assistant experiment incorporate it. Fit Hawkeye and goal line cameras inside and outside of the goal posts plus use the match video to review all goals and penalty incidents before allowing as per rugby, tennis, and NFL.

 

This wouldn't take long but it would make it almost certain to get the decisions right. Verified cheating should then be a sending off offence with a 5 match ban.

 

Cheating is endemic, last Saturday Huddersfield hit the bar the ball bounced down, a forward and the goalkeper went for the ball just under the crossbar, the forward a la Maradona tried to turn it in with his hand.

 

The linesman spotted it although the ball never crossed the line, the Huddersfield players who must have seen it were by then racing for the halfway line celebrating the goal which wasn't given.

 

The player that handballed got a yellow card but it should have been a red for cheating with a big penalty.

 

There is too much cheating and until it is rooted out and made counterproductive it will get worse.

 

Fifa would do everybody a favour if Henry was banned from the world cup next year.

[RedAndWhite91]

After seeing the footage a few times now, what I find 'disgusting' is that the ball didn't just hit his hand, he used his fingers to flick the ball back into his path, stopping it from going off the pitch. He knew exactly what he was doing.

[Window Cleaner]

After seeing the footage a few times now, what I find 'disgusting' is that the ball didn't just hit his hand, he used his fingers to flick the ball back into his path, stopping it from going off the pitch. He knew exactly what he was doing.

 

It was pretty obvious from the replays that I've seen.Shaquille O'Neil (sp!)

would have been proud of that ball control.The goal should never have been allowed to stand but then that's up to the ref and his assistants.

[Cabrone]

Being as the TV cameras spot things like this within seconds why can't there be a 2nd ref in the stands that has instant access to the TV pics?

 

They could have overruled this 'goal' within seconds and the game then recommenced.

 

I think that they should also have cameras in the goalposts to check for the 'on the line' goal decisions.

 

I don't think that you need these precautions for all games BUT being as this was a very big match with very big consequences why didn't the authorities authorise the use of technology? Maybe use it for proper (not friendly) internationals only?

 

That said, all this hullabaloo over Henry is because Ireland lost. Would there have been such a big reaction if Keane had handballed before scoring?

 

It's all a bit hypocritical really.

[slickmick]

After seeing the footage a few times now, what I find 'disgusting' is that the ball didn't just hit his hand, he used his fingers to flick the ball back into his path, stopping it from going off the pitch. He knew exactly what he was doing.

 

 

It is a natural human reaction. So were told.

[Thedelldays]

it happened so quick that I very much doubt he thought about it before hand...he just did it.....

[DT]

They should replay that game. I had thought better of Henry. But hey, that dive for the pen by Michael Owen for 'our boys' was pretty bad too.

[belgrave]

All footballers cheat to some degree, Henry's was just more blatent.

 

Who has never kicked an opponent ?

Who has never tugged a shirt ?

Who has never appealed for offside / corner / goal kick...etc ?

 

The ref made a mistake, but was unsighted.

 

The linesman looked unsighted

 

Who has ever volunteered that a decision going for them should not have been given ?

 

This thread is a bit too holier than thou in reality, cheating in football is very "shades of grey..."

[Window Cleaner]

an hour of NFL takes well over 3 hours to elapse. Do we really want that in football?

90 minutes would take about 4 and a half hours, you'd have about 15 officials

for every game, you can't have 1 set of rules for the premiership and §1 set for League 2. It's just not do-able, you can't have Hawkeye video for the commercial houses league on the Common of a sunday.

[Whitey Grandad]

N'gogg for Liverpool was similar.

I don't agree about N'gog. I've looked at that several times and he was trying to avoid getting his legs broken by Carsley, who did not touch the ball. There does not have to be contact with the player and I would probably have given a penalty in the same situation. The law is 'trip or attempt to trip' and if a player has to take evasive action which affects his control of the ball then that is also a foul. Anelka was just trying to exaggerate the effect of Given's challenge but it was more of him 'tripping over' the keeper's fingertips than him being tripped by the keeper, and that is a subtle difference.

[Tac-tics]

Is this the same Thierry Henry that stayed on his feet when he could of deservedly won a penalty against us in the FA Cup final but decided to stay on his feet and let Claus/Killer have their cup final.

[Chin Strain]

has just been scored by France.

 

Not quite. Maradona in 86 was loads worse.

[Chin Strain]

Is this the same Thierry Henry that stayed on his feet when he could of deservedly won a penalty against us in the FA Cup final but decided to stay on his feet and let Claus/Killer have their cup final.

 

Yes, and then he took a dive later in the game trying to get a penalty. You may remember that MS got in his face and had a right go at him. MS told me that Henry said to him 'I stayed on my feet at the start of the game'. Bit of an aside, but Henry asked Claus where MS was the next time we played Arsenal, when MS was injured. 'He's a crazy man' said Henry.....:rock:

[Scudamore]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/La-main-de-Thierry-Henry/185682965317?ref=nf

 

French mate of mine joined this i spotted in the morning...18,000 then...27,000 now...

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

either way you look at it, the defending from Ireland was pretty poor :-)..

 

Is this why Henry normally wears gloves, no fingerprints ?

[the saint in winchester]

The game SHOULD be replayed if you look at that game alone, but ...... if we replay a game for a serious error, we set a precedent for replaying games whenever there is a serious error. And then how serious does it have to be to rate as serious enough to have the game replayed.

Like Cabrone above, I have always been in favour of using technology available, and it would have flagged up the handball in seconds.

Now look at where we are!

[Whitey Grandad]

Is this why Henry normally wears gloves, no fingerprints ?

 

Oh, very drôle

[dubsaint]

+1

 

Blatant cheating, I agree it is a disgrace, and Thiery Henry has just wacthed the rest of his life affected by that, but the rules say "look in the book" what was the score? Perhaps the rules are wrong as well.

 

Moral outrage - yeah, right, the only outraged are always the vanquished.

 

I haven't read any stories this morning about the French FA apologising and giving the Irish their spot. We can all show sympathy to our Green comrades and make more snide racist comments about the "feckin French"

 

But, I've taken enough cr*p over the years from Irish people with regard to football both England and Saints. This morning, it's just clear that the perennial gallant losers just simply found another way to achieve their normal status, and I can now reply to the Paddy's - yes it HURTS doesn't it, Ha bloody ha, what goes around comes around.

 

And as we discussed elsewhere, if Lambo handballs a goal to win the playoff final will we be buring our ST's or shirts? Oh we'll feel bad, but like the French in SA, we'll enjoy playing in the CCC....

 

Thanks , from a Paddy

[Whitey Grandad]

Maybe this foul was worse:

 

 

(Schumacher on Battiston, 1982)

Edited 20 November, 2009 by Whitey Grandad
Ich sollte besser wissen

[Thedelldays]

all the hollier than thous on here...no doubt this thread will be dragged up the NEXT time saints/a saints player cheats in a game for an advantage to us

[the saint in winchester]

Come on, Henry and the French FA, do the decent thing and hold a press conference saying you WANT the match to be replayed.

Go on, you know it makes sense!

[oldsarum]

all the hollier than thous on here...no doubt this thread will be dragged up the NEXT time saints/a saints player cheats in a game for an advantage to us

 

A lot of Orient fans accused Ricky of a punching the ball in build up to his second goal there.

[The Cat]

Regards the amount of time Henry had to decide whether to cheat or not, he had plenty.

 

Cricketers facing fast bowlers have a fraction of the time Henry had and are still able to work out whether to leave the ball, or play a shot. And this is with a smaller, harder ball potentially hurtling towards their head.

 

FIFA should have introduced retrospective punishment for cheating years ago. Henry should be banned for at least the next 3 World Cup games forcing him to miss the group stages.

[Thedelldays]

Regards the amount of time Henry had to decide whether to cheat or not, he had plenty.

 

.

 

 

he had about half a second

[derry]

Regards the amount of time Henry had to decide whether to cheat or not, he had plenty.

 

Cricketers facing fast bowlers have a fraction of the time Henry had and are still able to work out whether to leave the ball, or play a shot. And this is with a smaller, harder ball potentially hurtling towards their head.

 

FIFA should have introduced retrospective punishment for cheating years ago. Henry should be banned for at least the next 3 World Cup games forcing him to miss the group stages.

 

It was the lack of reaction after handballing that was the cheating. Sky using their technology have shown the view the linesman had, he had a clear view of the post and Henry.

[supersonic]

I forgot that FIFA (UEFA ?) suddenly announced before the play-off draw that it was going to be seeded.

 

Yet more evidence of "if the face fits"...

 

you mean Michel Platini doing whatever her can to make sure France get to the world cup?

[aintforever]

an hour of NFL takes well over 3 hours to elapse. Do we really want that in football?

90 minutes would take about 4 and a half hours, you'd have about 15 officials

for every game, you can't have 1 set of rules for the premiership and §1 set for League 2. It's just not do-able, you can't have Hawkeye video for the commercial houses league on the Common of a sunday.

 

Works in Rugby, Tennis and Cricket. It would be so so easy to introduce at top level football.

 

In fact wasn't it even used in the last World Cup final with the Zidane headbutt, I remember hearing somewhere that the 4th official saw it on video replay and informed the ref.

 

There was almost a bizarre situation where 80,000 people in the stadium saw it, half the people on the planet saw it on TV, but because one bloke in the middle of the pitch was looking the wrong way he almost got away with it.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

It was the lack of reaction after handballing that was the cheating. Sky using their technology have shown the view the linesman had, he had a clear view of the post and Henry.

 

The linesman should have spotted the offside when the free kick was taken and before the ball got to Henry.

[Micky]

I see the Irish are calling to have the game replayed - can't see that happening.

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5705430,00.html

 

What should happen is:

 

All reconvene in Paris, players, officials, supporters - the lot.

 

1. Players take to the field

 

2. The 'goal' is retrospectively disallowed

 

3. Referee blows the whistle to end the game

 

4. The players that are (were) on the field at full time take part in the penalty shoot out, with the winner going on to qualify

 

5. All go home happy knowing that justice has been done and the right team will be present in SA

 

Geeze whats the problem Sepp - this FIFA malarky is quite simple really.

[Danny]

I see the Irish are calling to have the game replayed - can't see that happening.

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5705430,00.html

 

What should happen is:

 

All reconvene in Paris, players, officials, supporters - the lot.

 

1. Players take to the field

 

2. The 'goal' is retrospectively disallowed

 

3. Referee blows the whistle to end the game

 

4. The players that are (were) on the field at full time take part in the penalty shoot out, with the winner going on to qualify

 

5. All go home happy knowing that justice has been done and the right team will be present in SA

 

Geeze whats the problem Sepp - this FIFA malarky is quite simple really.

 

The game will never be replayed, although the argument about the precedent between Bahrain and Uzbekistain is an interesting one. The very fact that that has happened makes a mockery of the law that says the decision of the referee is final.

 

Despite the futility of the appeal, I think the FAI is right to do it, if nothing else, just to put Blatter on the spot.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Yes, and then he took a dive later in the game trying to get a penalty. You may remember that MS got in his face and had a right go at him. MS told me that Henry said to him 'I stayed on my feet at the start of the game'. Bit of an aside, but Henry asked Claus where MS was the next time we played Arsenal, when MS was injured. 'He's a crazy man' said Henry.....:rock:

 

And that's why we love Killer so much!

 

Totally agree with you slickmick, mr 'I can be bothered to go into the technical details' got it all wrong, the human brain is capable of an estimated 1billion processes per second, and what it makes it more relevant is that Henry not only moved his hand to the ball but also touched it twice.

 

On the replays which i've seen it also looks like it's a very close call on a french player handling it as he and the Irish defence are attempting to head the ball as it's been played into the box just before Henry's handling of it.

[Legod Third Coming]

Absolutely refuse to believe this!

 

I'd rather be called naive and gullible, than subscribe (in all senses of the word) to something that in reality is one big con!

 

Think about it.

 

FIFA CHANGED TO SEEDINGS.

 

That is all the evidence you need.

 

They wanted the big teams there.

 

And who can blame them??

 

They rely on TV INCOME.

 

How many people do you think will tune into Bosnia versus Wales???

 

This is not supposition - it is a fact. FIFA admit they would prefer bigger teams at the World Cup. Even if they don't ask the refs to fix it they have made their intentions clear.

[VectisSaint]

Last night apart from the handball goal the referee did get the Anelka penalty dive right, he went down like he was shot, it looked a bolted on penalty until the replay easily showed Given didn't touch him.

The ref last night had a damn good game, apart from 2 incidents. The goal which has been done to death and the Anelka dive. He was dead right not to give the penalty, but he made a huge mistake not booking Anelka for simulation. If it was a dive (which it clearly was) the booking is not optional.

[Deppo]

Ahh, I see. The FA Cup. Of course.

 

Was thinking of "les (bien) Bleues".

 

That's my favourite KD Lang song.

[Saints Pedro]

I would argue that pulling an attackers shirt to prevent him scoring is a worse offence in that it is deliberate AND premeditated whereas Henry's handball may have been deliberate but certainly wasn't premeditated.

[Plumstead_Saint]

Think about it.

 

FIFA CHANGED TO SEEDINGS.

 

That is all the evidence you need.

 

They wanted the big teams there.

 

And who can blame them??

 

They rely on TV INCOME.

 

Well I can, for a start.

FIFA are not exactly short of money, are they?

As a world sporting body they have a duty to uphold sporting values of fairness and equality.

 

Forgive me if I don't join all you "by all means necessary" merchants out there, but I can't find any pleasure in watching rigged sports contests.

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

Everyone is going on about it being a disgusting goal, but Henry didnt actually score the goal, his handball only assisted in the goal. I expect there are worse decisions everyweek in the League that leads to goals being scored. How many penalties have Saints had this season that werent deserved, or how many of our players have gone down in the box looking for a penalty?

[wild-saint]

I was thinking about this Henry handball and it occured to me that the calls for video replays goal line cameras etc etc to ensure all the key decisions are accurate is a load of old ********.

 

The two problems in football IMO are

 

1) Teams with too much money in the premier making it such a one sided game where the small club can no longer hold thier own and challenge the bigger clubs.

 

2) Everybody gets to analyse every single incedent within the game due to the large number of camera angles.

 

The common denominator for both problems is TV. I remember the good old days before TV (and Sky) infitrated the beautiful game. If you wanted to watch footy you went to the game and every incident within each game could only be seen once and at the same splt second that a ref has to make a decision. Blink and you missed it.

 

Footy was a game of opinion, was it in? was it offside? was it a penalty? No bull**** analysis after proving either way. Simplicity made it exciting, ban sky throw the cameras away and leave footy for the people that love to watch it live and enjoy the unpredictability of our great league.

 

Well I guess I can dream

[aintforever]

It is a disgrace that FIFA decided, out of the blue, to seed the playoffs. Ireland should be more annoyed with that than the hand ball.

[Saint]

I'm not even going to begin talking about this.

France should withdraw and allow Ireland to take that last slot (when pigs fly).

[david in sweden]

Works in Rugby, Tennis and Cricket. It would be so so easy to introduce at top level football.

 

In fact wasn't it even used in the last World Cup final with the Zidane headbutt, I remember hearing somewhere that the 4th official saw it on video replay and informed the ref.

 

There was almost a bizarre situation where 80,000 people in the stadium saw it, half the people on the planet saw it on TV, but because one bloke in the middle of the pitch was looking the wrong way he almost got away with it.

 

This is just the type of incident that makes my blood boil.

FIFA hide behind their rule book and support referees at all costs, and so much for the luck of the Irish !

 

There can't be much worse that being cheated out of the World Cup place by inadequate officials and the lack of the best technology in the world.

 

I would like to hear Platini's comments on this game?.

Should FIFA discipline Henry as they did Zidane.?

 

If he does nothing (as I suspect) why are we wasting all this time playing matches. Let the stadium fill upwith fans and have the two captains stand in the circle with the ref. and toss a coin..best of 5... and then we don't have to bother with penalties either.

 

A TOTAL DISGRACE, FIFA ..and M.Platini ought to resign if he condones this. !

[St Landrew]

I see the Irish are calling to have the game replayed - can't see that happening.

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5705430,00.html

 

What should happen is:

 

All reconvene in Paris, players, officials, supporters - the lot.

 

1. Players take to the field

 

2. The 'goal' is retrospectively disallowed

 

3. Referee blows the whistle to end the game

 

4. The players that are (were) on the field at full time take part in the penalty shoot out, with the winner going on to qualify

 

5. All go home happy knowing that justice has been done and the right team will be present in SA

 

Geeze whats the problem Sepp - this FIFA malarky is quite simple really.

 

The game will never be replayed, although the argument about the precedent between Bahrain and Uzbekistain is an interesting one. The very fact that that has happened makes a mockery of the law that says the decision of the referee is final.

 

Despite the futility of the appeal, I think the FAI is right to do it, if nothing else, just to put Blatter on the spot.

 

Indeed the game won't be replayed, and it shouldn't be either. But justice must be done, or the game takes a further slide into favouritism and gamesmanship. It's not the Irish who need fair play done either. It's the sport itself which to see that fair play is being done. Video technology for the future, please.

 

To do justice, I would go with Micky's suggestion, but they could do it behind closed doors, with just a TV audience, so there would be the minimum of inconvenience. Or free tickets allotted to the same people who attended before.

[Thedelldays]

it is all hypocricy.....where was all your disgust when saga dived pathetically against yeovil when we could not buy a win...where was your disgust when trotman kicked the ball out of the southend keepers hands..?

 

who was to say france would not have won..so you CANT say the wrong team has gone to the world cup...not at all..

 

yes the decision was bad and I hope something is done as I would LOVE to hear what platini has to say on this...he has everything to say about the english game..

 

do I have ANY sympothy towards Ireland..? do I ****..

 

been listening to this on the radio and quite a few paddys have been phoning in saying they are taken aback with the reaction from the english media....especially when many of them remembering how so many of them were dancing in the street in 86.......the response from the presenters was.."hurts, doesnt it"..

 

im glad a team that has fans that has ACTIVELY hated england have had a taste of what we had that they cheered so hard about in the past

[Micky]

it is all hypocricy.....where was all your disgust when saga dived pathetically against yeovil when we could not buy a win...where was your disgust when trotman kicked the ball out of the southend keepers hands..?

 

who was to say france would not have won..so you CANT say the wrong team has gone to the world cup...not at all..

 

yes the decision was bad and I hope something is done as I would LOVE to hear what platini has to say on this...he has everything to say about the english game..

 

do I have ANY sympothy towards Ireland..? do I ****..

 

been listening to this on the radio and quite a few paddys have been phoning in saying they are taken aback with the reaction from the english media....especially when many of them remembering how so many of them were dancing in the street in 86.......the response from the presenters was.."hurts, doesnt it"..

 

im glad a team that has fans that has ACTIVELY hated england have had a taste of what we had that they cheered so hard about in the past

 

Sorry TDD but totally disagree with you on this one. Hypocrisy it is not - no way. Comparing incidents that occured between League 1 teams over the course of a season of 40 odd games to a WC qualification game is laughable. Things probably do even themselves out over the course of a season - but the WC is a one off that comes around only once every 4 years.

 

You seem to have confused petty squabbles between national fans over events gone by with the main issue which is the integrity of the sport. Yes you can state that it is part and parcel of the game, but where do we stop. Diving, shirt pulling, time wasting and now this - fairly soon the game will descend into farce and lose more and more credibility.

 

You are right in saying whose to say that the Irish would have won the game yet that argument works both ways. France could actually gain much kudos and credibility if they agreed to some sort of rematch or penalty shoot out - they would be seen as a nation who pioneered fair play and sportsmanship, even though it might have a detrimental effect on their WC bid.

 

Would they be willing to gamble - who knows. Probably an irrelevant question as it's highly likely that nothing whatsoever will come of all of the appeals anyway. However would love to see who has the biggest ******** if it did come down to a one off penalty shoot out.

 

Hypocrisy no, integrity, fair play and sportsmanship - yes.

[Thedelldays]

Sorry micky, these were not one off games. I think they played a few qualifications games before the one the other night

[Saint_Si]

it is all hypocricy.....where was all your disgust when saga dived pathetically against yeovil when we could not buy a win...where was your disgust when trotman kicked the ball out of the southend keepers hands..?

 

who was to say france would not have won..so you CANT say the wrong team has gone to the world cup...not at all..

 

yes the decision was bad and I hope something is done as I would LOVE to hear what platini has to say on this...he has everything to say about the english game..

 

do I have ANY sympothy towards Ireland..? do I ****..

 

been listening to this on the radio and quite a few paddys have been phoning in saying they are taken aback with the reaction from the english media....especially when many of them remembering how so many of them were dancing in the street in 86.......the response from the presenters was.."hurts, doesnt it"..

 

im glad a team that has fans that has ACTIVELY hated england have had a taste of what we had that they cheered so hard about in the past

 

You ****ing knobend. Don't tar everyone Irishman with the same brush. Yes there is good, FRIENDLY rivalry between the Irish and English, but thats all it is. True, there are some anti-english people in this country, but visa versa. They're in the minority. I like to think its good banter, nothing else. After all, the majority of people here support English clubs, and have a lot of time for the people in your country. I, for one, am a massive, MASSIVE Saints supporter, and have been since I was a kid and have nothing but love for the people of Southampton that I know, and of course the club.

 

And moving onto the goal, I am truely disgusted with it. Hope you're happy! I'm sorry if I've upset you but I believe we WERE cheated out of a place in the World Cup, and even that goal aside, were much the better side over the 2 legs. Always against the odds, I'm one with the underdogs...

[Thedelldays]

Saint si...

 

 

Oh well

[Saint_Si]

Saint si...

 

 

Oh well

 

Still not a smidgen of sympathy?

[Thedelldays]

Still not a smidgen of sympathy?

 

Don't take this personally.

 

 

I'm English

 

I could not give a rats arse about ireland. I care as much a I do about ireland

as I do about Norway or Germany or Andorra. I just don't care and I won't expect the Irish or anyone else to care if it happens to England.