The most disgusting goal ever...

[SuperMikey]

Sorry to highjack the thread but is this the same Yahia, that played for us in the res, a few years ago.

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/8367431.stm

 

No, that was Alladeine (sp) Yahia, this is a different guy. Common name in Algeria i'm led to believe.

[Hatch]

The most sickening, disgusting goal ever ... the smarmy, mis hit, bad bounce flukey effort by Adrian Heath in the FA Cup semis at Highbury. :smt022

 

 

Is it too late to appeal and get the game replayed?

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

NO sympathy for the Irish, they still revel in the fact that Maradona's "hand of God" stuffed England now we have the "hand of frog" I will be laughing at the irish..

 

If anyone has been in a bar in dublin when England are playing they will know how much they hate England. its the same as the scots, anyone but England..

 

But which Irish player would of done any differently ??

[St Landrew]

NO sympathy for the Irish, they still revel in the fact that Maradona's "hand of God" stuffed England now we have the "hand of frog" I will be laughing at the irish..

 

If anyone has been in a bar in dublin when England are playing they will know how much they hate England. its the same as the scots, anyone but England..

 

But which Irish player would of done any differently ??

 

Don't think that's the point though is it. The fact is, the old cliche of luck evening out over a season can't be applied here, and is the dodgiest of dodgy football cliches in any case. It's not that the Irish have been robbed, but football has been robbed. Robbed of fainess and the right decision. Under this sort of circumstance, the football authorities might as well write in the League winners at the beginning of the season, and we can all bugger off and do something else, instead of watching a pantomime. Because if they don't bring in technology to stop bad decisions, or favouritism, it'll eventually ruin football.

[Scummer]

NO sympathy for the Irish

 

Whoever it was against, it was still wrong.

[iansums]

NO sympathy for the Irish, they still revel in the fact that Maradona's "hand of God" stuffed England now we have the "hand of frog" I will be laughing at the irish..

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... and the Welsh

[Glasgow_Saint]

Do I like the French?

[alpine_saint]

NO sympathy for the Irish, they still revel in the fact that Maradona's "hand of God" stuffed England now we have the "hand of frog" I will be laughing at the irish..

 

If anyone has been in a bar in dublin when England are playing they will know how much they hate England. its the same as the scots, anyone but England..

 

But which Irish player would of done any differently ??

 

hehehehehe

[oldsarum]

I am regularly accused of paranoia on here, but I have got it from a FIFA-affiliated referee directly that in the meetings the refereeing officials have leading up to the qualification games and the finals themselves, FIFA makes it clear they want to see certain teams progress further than others.

 

Never forget the perverting influence money has had on the game, epsecially at this level. France in the finals brings in more TV and merchandising revenue than Ireland. And that's the bottom line....

 

Apart from the handball incident, the Officials were excellent several claims for penalties which could easily been given were quite rightly rejected by the referee.

 

Is easy to blame the officials but it appeared to me that the ref was unsighted for the handball and that possibly the assistant should have spotted the offence but overall the officials stood up to the presure extremely well

[saintbletch]

Don't think that's the point though is it. The fact is, the old cliche of luck evening out over a season can't be applied here, and is the dodgiest of dodgy football cliches in any case. It's not that the Irish have been robbed, but football has been robbed. Robbed of fainess and the right decision. Under this sort of circumstance, the football authorities might as well write in the League winners at the beginning of the season, and we can all bugger off and do something else, instead of watching a pantomime. Because if they don't bring in technology to stop bad decisions, or favouritism, it'll eventually ruin football.

 

Completely agree.

 

And the irony of ironies is that despite FIFA seeding the draw to favour the 'better' teams and with all the odds stacked against them, it would be very easy to suggest that the officials gave FIFA the result they wanted. But the ref was incredibly fair to the Irish on the night. It appeared to have been a genuine mistake on the officials' part.

 

Technology would have helped. That or Thierry Henry should have chased the ref like Given did before he was able to award the goal.

[saintbletch]

NO sympathy for the Irish, they still revel in the fact that Maradona's "hand of God" stuffed England now we have the "hand of frog" I will be laughing at the irish..

 

If anyone has been in a bar in dublin when England are playing they will know how much they hate England. its the same as the scots, anyone but England..

 

But which Irish player would of done any differently ??

 

Yeah. What's with the Irish?

 

You'd think "we" had messed in the affairs of their country for centuries or something.

 

It's just a game.

 

I bet the Iraqis and Afghanis will be the next to not cheer our team on.

 

Ingrates.

 

[this post is intentionally heavily laden with irony in case that isn't immediately obvious]

[Hopkins]

Hahahaha. The most disgusting goal ever? Hahahaha.

 

Such an over reaction on this board and in the media.

 

If Robbie Keane does it he's a hero.

 

Nobody in the world, and I seriously mean nobody, would have pulled his arm away and let the ball run past him for a goal kick. Its a natural human reaction to keep the ball in as it goes past you.

 

If you were Henry, nobody in the world would have turned around after the goal is scored or the game is over and declare that it should not stand because "I handballed it." and demand a replay of the game or at the time demand that the opposition have a free kick.

 

If you were the ref, nobody in the world would have spotted it.

 

The over reaction is hilarious in this instance.

[Cricketphilly]

Two non home nation teams in a World Cup play off. Who cares?

 

Any team that's not England, who cares?

[ART]

For once even the French press are disgusted at how the goal was awarded and how undeservedly the French qualified for the World Cup. That is something I've never seen over here andb wouldn't be surprised to see a change of manager despite the qualification.

 

I am really gutty for the Irish as they thoroughly deserved to win last night.

[Ash]

Can't really think of a Saints one in recent times... we've lacked the spine to do such competitive things until Pardew's rebuild.

Don't tell me. Our inability to cheat recently was down to Rupert Lowe.

[John Smith]

I do think there is an over reaction in the press at the moment, because that reaction is pointing toward video replays and more technology to assist in these things. Well, I'm sorry, but if you missed the ball juggling act by Henry before Gallas scored, NO amount of technology is gonna help you! It was there, right in front of them.

 

So, let's put this into perspective. Sh*t happens all the time and to all of us, not just footballers. We don't have the luxury of video replay in OUR jobs, it's all about playing it as you see it. Taking the human element out of football would be the beginning of the end of the beautiful game for me.

 

Why? Well, for the Irish fans, they'll have another World Cup to shout for their team at. The French, will probably go on and get through to the semi's or the finals or there abouts. And have you heard the saying "it's a funny old game"? Well, what's betting that due to that handball, France WIN the World Cup, or better still, lose in the Semi's to a blatant hand ball goal!

 

At the end of the day, video technology will not only slow the pace of the game down, but it will take what little respect there is for Ref's, away! I mean, what's gonna happen to EVERY goal, every penalty, every set piece chance? Come on, we all know! "Come on ref, you blind, he handled that" Vid replay, "Come on ref, he dived" Vid Replay, "Come on ref, he was offside!" vid replay, "Come on ref, that was out of play" vid replay, "Come on ref, that was in!" vid replay! And on and on and on!

 

At the end of the day, we won't need a ref, but an umpire that calls up to the vid box, to check what the decision should be. We'll be taking the heart out of the game if you ask me. And do you know why? Do you really really know why this is being pressed for and desired (video replay)? Money, money, and mo money! Todays game is about rich people playing games, and every victory earns them more chances to earn more money. The game has been taken away from the every day person on the street and handed to the rich. Those rich and influential people want to guarentee that if they do everything right, they won't get robbed by a ref 'missing' a decision. I mean, we're getting to a 'legal action' stage here, where a ref neglects to do his job!

 

So, I say, leave the game for what it is, 90% of football is clean and fair. We need that extra 10% to give us something to talk about, something to bleed over, something to smile over! With video replays, the game will become stale and dull, no room for chance left! The game will die and a new 'elitist' game will evolve! Trust me, we have lived with these decisions all our lives and they have created great discussion points that make any game live for the whole week, until the next one kicks off! I mean, how many on sky sports have mentioned Henry's 'honourable' behaviour in the 2003 FA Cup? Not one, it's not in their agenda to be fair and impartial, but that's football for you, two sides, choose one, roll with the blows and enjoy the victories!

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

At least he owned up!

[aintforever]

To be fair, Robbie Keane attempted at least two disgusting, cheating, hand-balls in the second half.

 

You can't blame them for feeling hard done by because at least one official should have seen it but if Keane and Duff had taken either their two great chances they would have qualified. They are not at the World cup because they are not good enough - it's as simple as that.

[warsash saint]

 

Nobody in the world, and I seriously mean nobody, would have pulled his arm away and let the ball run past him for a goal kick. Its a natural human reaction to keep the ball in as it goes past you.

 

 

You sure

[Whitey Grandad]

All the Irish players around Henry immediately switch off and put their hands in the air. If they had concentrated on blocking the ball they might have succeeded in preventing the goal.

 

But life's not fair. It's something you need to teach your kids at a very early age.

[slickmick]

 

And as we discussed elsewhere, if Lambo handballs a goal to win the playoff final will we be buring our ST's or shirts? Oh we'll feel bad, but like the French in SA, we'll enjoy playing in the CCC....

 

 

Interesting one. Personally, if that scenario were to happen, I'd prefer our club to offer a replay.

Its similar to the 10 point deduction we received, I'm glad we didn't get it overturned. There is more reward from winning fairly.

I bet if Henry had a chance to do that again, he would own up to the ref and admit his handball, after all his has always been one of the more sporting characters of the game.

Football keeps getting tarnished and its the players that can put that right.

Harry Redkrap was right when he said the players could make the refs job a lot easier.

[Window Cleaner]

Interesting one. Personally, if that scenario were to happen, I'd prefer our club to offer a replay.

Its similar to the 10 point deduction we received, I'm glad we didn't get it overturned. There is more reward from winning fairly.

I bet if Henry had a chance to do that again, he would own up to the ref and admit his handball, after all his has always been one of the more sporting characters of the game.

Football keeps getting tarnished and its the players that can put that right.

Harry Redkrap was right when he said the players could make the refs job a lot easier.

 

FIFA and footballing authorities in general will never ever grant replays. Otherwise it would become like the NFL with challenges,play reviews and time-outs.Anyway apparently Anelka was brought down in the box a few minutes before and a penalty should have been given. I didn't see it because I was on late shift yesterday but all my colleagues were in agreement this morning at coffee break.

[alpine_saint]

I forgot that FIFA (UEFA ?) suddenly announced before the play-off draw that it was going to be seeded.

 

Yet more evidence of "if the face fits"...

[slickmick]

I remember far back enough when play used to continue even if a player was down injured. Then it all started to change when (Honduras in a world cup game I think) would kick the ball out of play if a fellow professional got injured. Before long every club in every country would start to adopt this unmade rule. Crowds would applaud the opposition for such sporting behaviour.

Nowadays it is just taken for granted and the acholades have stopped. It would be totally unexceptable and frowned upon for an opposition to carry on playing while someones down injured.

 

There is no reason while other parts of the game can't start to create the same kind of unsaid rule.

[aintforever]

Interesting one. Personally, if that scenario were to happen, I'd prefer our club to offer a replay.

Its similar to the 10 point deduction we received, I'm glad we didn't get it overturned. There is more reward from winning fairly.

I bet if Henry had a chance to do that again, he would own up to the ref and admit his handball, after all his has always been one of the more sporting characters of the game.

Football keeps getting tarnished and its the players that can put that right.

Harry Redkrap was right when he said the players could make the refs job a lot easier.

 

Do you think we should be forced to replay the Southend game then because Trotman quite clearly booted the ball out of the keepers hands?

[Rod Le Shearer]

I forgot that FIFA (UEFA ?) suddenly announced before the play-off draw that it was going to be seeded.

 

Yet more evidence of "if the face fits"...

 

I don`t see why people are so upset about the seedings. after all,both the seeded teams and the unseeded ones finished as runners-up in their group. that should mean they are at about the same level-at this very moment in time.

 

Its just the "historical" factor that made France favorites against Ireland. Infact,on the basis of all the qualifiying matches,I`d say Irland played much better and should have been big,big favorites !

 

and,on the basis of the results,my point is proven: two unseeded teams got through and two seeded ones. the seeding shouldn`t in theory make any difference,and it didnt.

 

I dont blame Fifa for making sure the teams with the greatest interest,history and tradition didnt meet eachother. But that decision was a very bold move: it could just as easily have ended up the way Uefa didnt want-with all four unseeded teams progressing.

Edited 19 November, 2009 by Rod Le Shearer

[dellgirl]

Henry is a nice fella and has been and is one of the great footballers of this generation,I don't suppose anyone will feel worse than him today and I'm sure he would not have wanted to win like this,if the boot had been on the other foot what would Mr Keane be saying this morning I wonder. I think it was because of his good standing in the game that nothing did kick off and his ability to say sorry. There will be consequences for sure but I hope when every thing calms down that this will not ruin a good reputation built over his long career

[KK the 2nd]

I agree it was tough luck and annoying but so what? These things happen. I was supporting the Irish last night but was as annoyed as much by Keane and Duff for not putting away golden chances as this incident. The ref could have given a penalty when Anelka went down which also would have been tough but would there be this furor and calls for the match to be replayed; I think not.

[Capel Saint]

I forgot that FIFA (UEFA ?) suddenly announced before the play-off draw that it was going to be seeded.

 

Yet more evidence of "if the face fits"...

 

Unfortunately very true with the current regime in charge of FIFA! As we know Blatter and Jack Warner are as corrupt as they come and only think about the money rather than what is right and proper in football. The teams shouldn;t have been seeded, it should have just been a straight 8 team draw. At least Slovenia knocked out Russia so it went against them there!

 

We know FIFA won't reverse the result, organise a reply but if FIFA had any balls they should ban Henry from the world cup for cheating.........but of course they won't, as he is an international star and will want him to be there to increase the profile of the World Cup, ticket sales etc!

[Thedelldays]

I thought the whole affair last night was funny...especially as it was against the Irish

[Kenilworthy]

How can a guy who kept Claus on the pitch in the cup final, took the time to show Niemi the big screen to prove he was onside, who has been a genuine role model for so many suddenly throw all that away? Shame. A briiliant footballer who in my view will never be remembered for anything other than being a cheat...

 

Didn't he get a yellow card in the second half for diving?

[slickmick]

Do you think we should be forced to replay the Southend game then because Trotman quite clearly booted the ball out of the keepers hands?

 

I think the emphasis should be on the players to hold their hands up.

Remember the cup game a couple of seasons ago ( can't remember who)

when the ball was kicked out of play to deal with an injury and the throw wasn't given back and he went on to score ? They then let the other team score straight from a kick off.

An incident the other week when a prem player waved away a penalty claim saying no contact was made.

Those are the sort of things that should happen more frequently and I'm sure there are many players out there that would own up more often but for the fear of a backlash from their own fans or club in some cases.

[VectisSaint]

has just been scored by France.

 

What is Saints' most disgusting goal? I remember Beattie bundling the goalkeeper into the net at the Dell in front of the Milton (against M'Boro I think?) and the ref allowed it.

Second most disgusting goal ever actually, the Hand of God goal was far worse, primarily because the little Argie druggy didn't even have the good grace to admit it afterwards. Thierry Henry looked to me suitably embarrassed and contrite about it. I always had a lot of respect for Henry after the incident at cardiff when he could easily have got Claus sent off, but to imagine that any professional footballer is going to ask for a goal he has scored to be disallowed is frankly laughable, however sensible it might seem. I imagine it would be a career-ending move if anyone actually did so.

 

Still the fact remains that the Irish were indeed robbed.

[slickmick]

Second most disgusting goal ever actually, the Hand of God goal was far worse, primarily because the little Argie druggy didn't even have the good grace to admit it afterwards. Thierry Henry looked to me suitably embarrassed and contrite about it. I always had a lot of respect for Henry after the incident at cardiff when he could easily have got Claus sent off, but to imagine that any professional footballer is going to ask for a goal he has scored to be disallowed is frankly laughable, however sensible it might seem. I imagine it would be a career-ending move if anyone actually did so.

 

Still the fact remains that the Irish were indeed robbed.

 

 

D'Canio as good as scored, he picked the ball up in front of an empty goal instaed of score.

Didn't do him any harm.

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

I suppose if Connolly handles the ball saturday but assists in a goal everyone would be screaming for the ref to blow for handball, what about diving thats leads to a penalty, what about the time wasting.

It was handball and the ref didnt notice it, so what, it happens every game..If Ireland were so good they wouldnt of been in the play offs, lost the first leg and failed to score enough goals in the second.

Saints lost to Brighton last week, I demand a replay, it was unfair because I wanted us to win the game :-(

[Horley CTFC Saint]

Not actually a goal but I do remember Alec Lindsay being sent off for being headbutted by Terry Paine

 

Pretty disgusting if you were a Liverpool fan but as I'm Saints..........

[Master Bates]

Anyone got a link that works?

 

Cheerski

[david in sweden]

If ever there was a case to use TV replays in big matches - that was it. Absolute travesty...

 

I've been arguing this for years..and this isn't just a league game with three points at stake either.

The Irish were robbed and France will go to the World Cup.

 

I put this in the same category as Maradona's handball v. England!

[Junior Mullet]

How can a guy who kept Claus on the pitch in the cup final, took the time to show Niemi the big screen to prove he was onside, who has been a genuine role model for so many suddenly throw all that away? Shame. A briiliant footballer who in my view will never be remembered for anything other than being a cheat...

 

Overreaction. He will be remebered for this along with his awesome talent. I totally agree it is a real shame.

 

That said, this does raise an interesting question about cheating. Seems some people consider handball to be much more serious than diving, pushing or pulling in the box etc. Given that the end result is the same as is the intention to score from cheating, why does handball seem so much worse? If Henry had have dived and scored from the penalty, opinion wouldnt be anywhere near so strong.

 

It's an interesting point, perhaps one that goes right to the heart of football, perhaps controlling the ball with arms and hands is so fundamental that it turns our stomachs this way.

[Master Bates]

Anyone got a link that works?

 

Cheerski

 

Here you go gorgeous.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KIqwTNm8ZA

[Master Bates]

Here you go gorgeous.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KIqwTNm8ZA

 

Thanks hun x

[St_Tel49]

I remember far back enough when play used to continue even if a player was down injured. Then it all started to change when (Honduras in a world cup game I think) would kick the ball out of play if a fellow professional got injured. Before long every club in every country would start to adopt this unmade rule. Crowds would applaud the opposition for such sporting behaviour.

Nowadays it is just taken for granted and the acholades have stopped. It would be totally unexceptable and frowned upon for an opposition to carry on playing while someones down injured.

 

There is no reason while other parts of the game can't start to create the same kind of unsaid rule.

 

That "rule" is so abused now that I think that play should continue until the ref's whistle. And teams should tell the opposition that that is what they will do. We'll see a lot more miraculous recoveries.

[slickmick]

That "rule" is so abused now that I think that play should continue until the ref's whistle. And teams should tell the opposition that that is what they will do. We'll see a lot more miraculous recoveries.

 

 

I agree with what you are saying but there have been incidents when players have swallowed tongues ect. Problem is there are those that will take advantage and hold up the game.

[derry]

Never mind the result there is the means available to make sure these situations can't happen.

 

Last night apart from the handball goal the referee did get the Anelka penalty dive right, he went down like he was shot, it looked a bolted on penalty until the replay easily showed Given didn't touch him.

 

N'gogg for Liverpool was similar.

 

Two things should but won't happen, following the present extra goal line assistant experiment incorporate it. Fit Hawkeye and goal line cameras inside and outside of the goal posts plus use the match video to review all goals and penalty incidents before allowing as per rugby, tennis, and NFL.

 

This wouldn't take long but it would make it almost certain to get the decisions right. Verified cheating should then be a sending off offence with a 5 match ban.

 

Cheating is endemic, last Saturday Huddersfield hit the bar the ball bounced down, a forward and the goalkeper went for the ball just under the crossbar, the forward a la Maradona tried to turn it in with his hand.

 

The linesman spotted it although the ball never crossed the line, the Huddersfield players who must have seen it were by then racing for the halfway line celebrating the goal which wasn't given.

 

The player that handballed got a yellow card but it should have been a red for cheating with a big penalty.

 

There is too much cheating and until it is rooted out and made counterproductive it will get worse.

 

Fifa would do everybody a favour if Henry was banned from the world cup next year.

[Hopkins]

You sure

 

Very sure. Utterly convinced infact. It is a natural human reaction. The time from when the ball bounces infront of him and towards him to the time where it hits his hand is less than a second. Are you telling me anyone in the world can seriously go through the thought process of deciding whether to leave his hand there and keep it in or pull his hand away and then actually doing the action itself.

 

I can't be arsed to get technical and discuss with you the decision making processs and how your mind and body works before you actually do an action but trust me, to think about pulling it away and then actually pulling it away would take alot longer than needed in this instance for Henry to remove his hand than to do the thing that comes as an human nature instinct to keep the ball in play with his hand.

 

Interesting one. Personally, if that scenario were to happen, I'd prefer our club to offer a replay.

Its similar to the 10 point deduction we received, I'm glad we didn't get it overturned. There is more reward from winning fairly.

I bet if Henry had a chance to do that again, he would own up to the ref and admit his handball, after all his has always been one of the more sporting characters of the game.

Football keeps getting tarnished and its the players that can put that right.

Harry Redkrap was right when he said the players could make the refs job a lot easier.

 

You realise you are talking complete and utter tosh? If that scenario werre to happen you'd call for us to play a replay? That will never happpen. If Henry had the chance to do it again he would not own up to the referee at all. Did Trotman own up to the referee when he kicked the ball out of the Southends keepers hands? No.

 

That scenario happens every week at some level of football, just because its a high profile game does not make it anyy more or less cheating.

 

Football is all about cheating. When the ball clearly left the play from the player and he still raises hands to appeal to the ref to get a corner it's the same cheating. There is a good chance a goal would be scored from that wrong corner. If the wall moves closer to the ball during the free kick it's the same cheating that can prevent a goal scored. Holding the ball or knocking it away after conceding a free kick to time waste and letting your teammates to return to defense if there was a break from the opposite team. Defenders clearly tripping the attackers and then pretending they didn't touch him. If the ref doesn't give a penner they usually start to accuse the attacker of diving just to make the referee sure he made a right decision. Holding the players during the free kicks and corners is the same. The fact that it's done every match doesn't make it any less of cheating. The ball is not even in play yet and it's a disallowed act. Goalkeepers consiously moving of the line during the penalty kick is cheating too.

 

Any of these happens regularly and can change the result of the match like what happened with Henry yesterday. What he did is cheating. But acts of cheating happen every match in double numbers and it's not right at all to single Henry out. All the possible cheatings I mentioned and many more should be punished too. However if we did tihs and cheating was stamped out of the game...the game would be far worse off for it.

[benjii]

I am regularly accused of paranoia on here, but I have got it from a FIFA-affiliated referee directly that in the meetings the refereeing officials have leading up to the qualification games and the finals themselves, FIFA makes it clear they want to see certain teams progress further than others.

 

Never forget the perverting influence money has had on the game, epsecially at this level. France in the finals brings in more TV and merchandising revenue than Ireland. And that's the bottom line....

 

Lol - whilst I don't doubt FIFA would prefer France, Portugal etc in the finals than Ireland and Bosnia I don't buy this for one moment.

 

If that was the case then why not simply give the penalty when Anelka went down? It was probably a dive but you see them given.

[ottery st mary]

1963 Semi at Villa Park Saints lost 1-0 to the most flukiest disgusting piece of luck to Man Utd. Bobbled and in off Dennis Law..knee I think from memory.. who knew nothing about it.

[derry]

1963 Semi at Villa Park Saints lost 1-0 to the most flukiest disgusting piece of luck to Man Utd. Bobbled and in off Dennis Law..knee I think from memory.. who knew nothing about it.

 

But it was indisputably a proper goal. I was 20ft away, it was sickening but nevertheless a goal.

[skinner]

Football itself has to take the blame for the situation it finds itself in. Every week we see forwards diving in an attempt to gain advantage and shirt pulling is now accepted as part of the game. This is condoned by managers and coaches alike. Henry did what every footballer would have done in that situation. Henry has shown in the past he has a sense of sportmanship, we wont forget his actions after being fouled by Claus in the Cup Final. Financial reward is not a real argument, golfers are playing for over £800,000 first prize this week in Dubai and there is no question of cheating in over there.

[ottery st mary]

Every goal against the Mighty Saints is disgusting....AND should not be allowed.