Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Is it really needed in the 21st century? Personally, I have nothing against the Queen in theory, she has no real power. But for a modern democracy, must we keep regressing 300 years every time a new session of Parliamnent occurs? 'Safe' policies as well from Brown in my opinion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_8364000/8364950.stm Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Is it Xmas already :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The Queen and the royal family - are they really needed in the 21st Century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The Queen and the royal family - are they really needed in the 21st Century? The simple answer is of course no, but they will always have supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdam Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The Queen and the royal family - are they really needed in the 21st Century? Ooooooh! Reactionary! But with what should we replace them? God forbid a President Blair, Brown or Cameron... Too much emphasis is based on the "illusional" power of leadership in the UK. I like the Swiss example where the head of govt has no real power but they need someone to meet visiting dignitaries etc, so they appoint someone for 1 year just for ceremonial duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Ooooooh! Reactionary! But with what should we replace them? God forbid a President Blair, Brown or Cameron... Too much emphasis is based on the "illusional" power of leadership in the UK. I like the Swiss example where the head of govt has no real power but they need someone to meet visiting dignitaries etc, so they appoint someone for 1 year just for ceremonial duties. Hi amsterdam, hows things? The swiss idea sounds good to me, we could appoint say, someone like Katie Price or Jedward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Is it Xmas already :confused: Must be hard to keep track out there when there isn't snow on the ground to remind you it's christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsterdam Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Hi amsterdam, hows things? The swiss idea sounds good to me, we could appoint say, someone like Katie Price or Jedward. Fine thanks Mick - haven't seen you on here for a while? Not wishing to take this thread to TMS, but your idea has merit. We could have a weekly show where the public gets to vote off one politician until there's just one left and they get to rule the country until the next series. What weekly forfeits would you make them do though, to prove their suitability? Eating bugs or being able to do the American Smooth are a bit lame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Is it really needed in the 21st century? Personally, I have nothing against the Queen in theory, she has no real power. But for a modern democracy, must we keep regressing 300 years every time a new session of Parliamnent occurs? 'Safe' policies as well from Brown in my opinion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_8364000/8364950.stm Discuss. why not have them...? when people dislike the idea of the european union and dont like the idea of losing their 'britishness' they get told "what britishness" etc. well, here we certainly have one thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Fine thanks Mick - haven't seen you on here for a while? Not wishing to take this thread to TMS, but your idea has merit. We could have a weekly show where the public gets to vote off one politician until there's just one left and they get to rule the country until the next series. What weekly forfeits would you make them do though, to prove their suitability? Eating bugs or being able to do the American Smooth are a bit lame? Not sure about the forfeits but I'm sure midgets would be involved somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Is it really needed in the 21st century? Discuss. Indeed. Went to see a number of clients in Central London this morning and what should have taken 2 hours took over 3.5 hours with all the road closures around parliament square. In addition to this, with only 6 months to an election, it is unlikely much of the policy would be implemented in time. Therefore it should only be done when the govt in power can see out a full 12 months where there is at least a chance the policies can be implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 why not have them...? when people dislike the idea of the european union and dont like the idea of losing their 'britishness' they get told "what britishness" etc. well, here we certainly have one thing Yep! A speech on the 25 December that costs about 65mill a year:x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Yep! A speech on the 25 December that costs about 65mill a year:x Yes and that is a recording not "live" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 A few people seem to be confused here. I think Thope-Le(ftie)-Saint was referring to the State Opening of Parliament incorporating a speech by the Queen as opposed to the Queens Speech on X-mas day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Cracking band. Freddie, you are dearly missed. Of course we need to retain the monarch FFS. Discuss my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The monarchy is an outdated embarrassment and an absurd waste of what should be public money. The sooner we are rid, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 More bland pointless 'promises' that will not be delivered and spending plans that are completely unfeasible, interspersed with another dose of 'command and control' central Government dictat and bluster for already over-burdened sectors such as education. Nothing more than electioneering for a national poll they are destined to lose. Can somebody please find a Labour party for me to vote for ? As for the Queen's Speech, the Monarchy is another anachronism whose time has long passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Except that it brings more in in tourism than it spends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 If we sold off Buckingham Palace, all the Crown Jewels and other land and property, and then split the proceeds amongst the taxpayers, how much would I get? If it's more than £50 I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 We've had this argument countless times but....... it's impossible to say if the monarchy pulls in more than it costs (my argument is it's irrelevant) heriditary rule is an outdated antiquidated idea but a lot of people will argue that those powers they inherit they never use (in which case why have them and why are they are check on parliament?) people will then say rather the Queen (or King) than a president. That's only one model we could follow and doesn't mean we can't have a proper argument on whether it's right that in this age of democracy we should allow people to inherit rights rather than earn them. You can tell what side of the debate I'm on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The monarchy is not necessary for tourism in this country, it is the history, the museums, the cathedrals, the landscape, etc, that bring in the dollars, roubles, euros, ........ Where are the monarchies in France, Italy, the USA, China, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the former Yugoslav republics, Greece, etc ? All top tourist destinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 More bland pointless 'promises' that will not be delivered and spending plans that are completely unfeasible, interspersed with another dose of 'command and control' central Government dictat and bluster for already over-burdened sectors such as education. Nothing more than electioneering for a national poll they are destined to lose. Couldn't have put it better myself. Well, except for the fact that they are leading on finacial stability and economic recovery. If only they had put financial stability on the table during the years running up to 2007, perhaps we would already have a recovery. I love the way Clown talks about the "global recession" as if it is nothing to do with him. The fact the USA, China, Germany, France, Eurozone and Japan are all doing nicely now whilst we are not, is no coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Steve Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 The monarchy is an outdated embarrassment and an absurd waste of what should be public money. The sooner we are rid, the better. I think you find its only a small percentage of people that find them an outdated embarrassment and waste of money, normally the leftie idiots like Ben Elton, he just made himself look a right ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 I think you find its only a small percentage of people that find them an outdated embarrassment and waste of money, normally the leftie idiots like Ben Elton, he just made himself look a right ****. Are you still living in the eighties? Ben Elton writes musicals about Queen nowadays, he's hardly at the cutting edge of political comment. Still, it's difficult to find fault with your well-reasoned, barely literate point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I think you find its only a small percentage of people that find them an outdated embarrassment and waste of money, normally the leftie idiots like Ben Elton, he just made himself look a right ****. A small percentage, I think this thread is about 50/50 and it sounded like everything he said was about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 A small percentage, I think this thread is about 50/50 and it sounded like everything he said was about right. i think he meant a small percentage of the UK...not some poll in the gaurdian but public feeling in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 i think he meant a small percentage of the UK...not some poll in the gaurdian but public feeling in general I took the views expressed in this thread as representative of the British public in general, where did the Guardian poll come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I took the views expressed in this thread as representative of the British public in general, where did the Guardian poll come from? taking the views of SWF (who are mostly liberal to say the least) as use it as a yard stick of the british public is..ummm, silly..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 taking the views of SWF (who are mostly liberal to say the least) as use it as a yard stick of the british public is..ummm, silly..? You think most people have liberal views on here? Bloody hell I must have missed most of them then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 taking the views of SWF (who are mostly liberal to say the least) as use it as a yard stick of the british public is..ummm, silly..? Proof that the right wing football demographic has changed? Who'd have thought football fans would attract the liberal tree hugging types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Proof that the right wing football demographic has changed? Who'd have thought football fans would attract the liberal tree hugging types? If that's the case could we not have a couple added to the tree on the Saints badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 If that's the case could we not have a couple added to the tree on the Saints badge? Good call and while we're at it why not a whale as well? We need to save them too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 (edited) Proof that the right wing football demographic has changed? Who'd have thought football fans would attract the liberal tree hugging types? there is a thread not so long ago on here where you answered questions and a graph (and every one agreed with the outcome) pointed out your political stance..beit right wing, liberal, socialist etc.... nearly all were of the liberal point of view post 523 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=482262#post482262 Edited 19 November, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I think Saints might be an exception to the rule...have you seen some of the meat heads you find oop north? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Except that it brings more in in tourism than it spends... I have never bought this argument that the Royals bring in tourists. France gets more tourists than us and they havn't got a Royal Family! If we abolished the Royals we would still have all the Palaces, monuments, ceremonials etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 there is a thread not so long ago on here where you answered questions and a graph (and every one agreed with the outcome) pointed out your political stance..beit right wing, liberal, socialist etc.... nearly all were of the liberal point of view post 523 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=482262#post482262 Shame I missed that. I'm fairly sure all the people on there would have been Saints fans (and by definition football fans) so I'm not sure what your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Shame I missed that. I'm fairly sure all the people on there would have been Saints fans (and by definition football fans) so I'm not sure what your point is? that using SWF as a yard stick for the british public is rather daft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 that using SWF as a yard stick for the british public is rather daft But the only thing that unites them is a liking for Saints? I'd agree with you if this was a loony lefty forum (or even a guardian one) but it isn't so unless Saints have suddenly become the spiritual home of tree huggers then i'd say it should contain a fairly broad demographic (in terms of political opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 But the only thing that unites them is a liking for Saints? I'd agree with you if this was a loony lefty forum (or even a guardian one) but it isn't so unless Saints have suddenly become the spiritual home of tree huggers then i'd say it should contain a fairly broad demographic (in terms of political opinion). Yes, but all 34 participants of the survey were your regular type of SWF poster and it turns out that the vast majority are lefty liberals with the odd exception of balanced minded people like me, Delldays, Patrick Bateman and Hatch. It is not representative of Saints fans or the general public, but is fairly representative of the regular contributors to this forum - maybe the liberal lefties like to live out their socialist fantasies on the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 That chart was interesting but only in seeing where posters are in relation to each other; as it's an American thing, you're considered pretty much a full-blown communist if you think a raped woman might have a right to an abortion, or multinational executives shouldn't be able to eat Third World children with a nice Cabernet, etc. For Europe it's not much use, thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Yes, but all 34 participants of the survey were your regular type of SWF poster and it turns out that the vast majority are lefty liberals with the odd exception of balanced minded people like me, Delldays, Patrick Bateman and Hatch. It is not representative of Saints fans or the general public, but is fairly representative of the regular contributors to this forum - maybe the liberal lefties like to live out their socialist fantasies on the internet? But until you got everyone to participate in that not particularly accurate questionnaire then you'd never know would you? I'd say this forum is as representative of saints fans or the general public as any other forum. I see no one has come up with an idea why the monarchy is a good thing except for the fact that lots of people may or may not think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 But until you got everyone to participate in that not particularly accurate questionnaire then you'd never know would you? I'd say this forum is as representative of saints fans or the general public as any other forum. I see no one has come up with an idea why the monarchy is a good thing except for the fact that lots of people may or may not think it is. oh well....that's that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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