Burley Sacked as Scotland Manager

[Arizona]

I was wondering who'd be first. Takes a big man to take the **** out of another man's alcoholism. Well done you

 

Who's cider you on in this argument?

[Crab Lungs]

We played some excellent footy under Burley and I hold no resentment towards him. He made mistakes, yes, but he was far from the worst perpetrator..

[Arizona]

We played some excellent footy under Burley and I hold no resentment towards him. He made mistakes, yes, but he was far from the worst perpetrator..

 

I'd say a lot of the stuff we played from the start of 2007 onwards was dreadful. Yes we had a few good days, like the 6-0 at Wolves, but there were far more worse days. I remember getting beaten at home by Colchester in the playoff season. It was absolutely appaling.

 

When Bale left and Skacel and Belmadi were removed from midfield, we seemed to run out of ideas.

[hypochondriac]

I'd say a lot of the stuff we played from the start of 2007 onwards was dreadful. Yes we had a few good days, like the 6-0 at Wolves, but there were far more worse days. I remember getting beaten at home by Colchester in the playoff season. It was absolutely appaling.

 

When Bale left and Skacel and Belmadi were removed from midfield, we seemed to run out of ideas.

 

I agree...

[Legod Third Coming]

I'd say a lot of the stuff we played from the start of 2007 onwards was dreadful. Yes we had a few good days, like the 6-0 at Wolves, but there were far more worse days. I remember getting beaten at home by Colchester in the playoff season. It was absolutely appaling.

 

When Bale left and Skacel and Belmadi were removed from midfield, we seemed to run out of ideas.

 

I would say that when Burley was presented with a team they played well like at Wolves where we were down to the bones because of injury! The rest of the time it was like bloody player scrabble...

[syd_barrett_saint]

To be honest, Burley is one of the main people responsible for the fact that we are in League 1 and almost went out of business. OK, so maybe not up there with Lowe, Wilde et al, but almost...

 

With the money Burley spent, and the squad he had in the playoff year, we should have been promoted automatically - a decent manager would have achieved that. But Burley basically sabotaged that by declaring in public that we were aiming for the playoffs, which was not the positive attitude needed to get promoted. In fact, in the end we were very lucky to get into the playoffs.

 

The thing is, I used to really rate him before he came to Saints. What exactly happened to him at Hearts? You hear rumors something strange happened, but I still have no idea what exactly. Are people just referring to the alleged alcoholism?

[SaintRobbie]

Burley is NOT responsible for League 1 football, what utter nonsense, that honour lies firmly with Lowe, x2 clueless cloggies and inexperienced youth players. I do believe the stats show Burley to have actually been one of the more successful Saints managers in recent years.

 

Those who think Burley is to blame for League 1 are simply daft.

 

3 wins in 14 games is a crap return for Scotland, he has also alienated some playeers who the sweaty socks couldve done with. No surprises he has gone.

[alpine_saint]

Thinking of the job he did at Ipswich and Hearts fills my soul with joy and puts a spring in my step. When I'm having a "down" moments I just cast my mind back to Marcus Stewart in full pomp, or Skacel smashing one past Hamilton Academical's goalie and everything takes on the rosy hue again.

 

Thank you George. Thank you for Ipswich and Hearts. Thank you for everything.

 

hehehehehe

[alpine_saint]

Burley is NOT responsible for League 1 football, what utter nonsense, that honour lies firmly with Lowe, x2 clueless cloggies and inexperienced youth players. I do believe the stats show Burley to have actually been one of the more successful Saints managers in recent years.

 

Those who think Burley is to blame for League 1 are simply daft.

 

3 wins in 14 games is a crap return for Scotland, he has also alienated some playeers who the sweaty socks couldve done with. No surprises he has gone.

 

Before you exonerate Burley from our plight completely, what about the (very expensive) players we had thatr he alienated ?

[alpine_saint]

I have never, ever walked out during a game, ever.

 

Until we were 2-0 down against Palace and heading for a pasting because that p i s s artist allowed two of the best defenders in the league to be replaced by Safri and some other lightweight useless midfielders.

 

Under Burley we ended up with 14 (yes) midfielders in the first team squad.

 

In season two he had totally lost it.

 

Anyone with half a football brain could see it but Burley.

 

Whatever happened post Hearts, he has just lost any managerial ability he ever had. Not a single Scotland player respected him - it was obvious from day one.

 

But not a large proportion of this site at the time, it must be noted....

[Saint Without a Halo]

He did top the Sky fans poll for the managers job. I wonder how that happened:rolleyes::smt074

 

Saints fans voting?

[View From The Top]

But not a large proportion of this site at the time, it must be noted....

 

Considering we had just reached the play offs it's hardly surprising that fans were optimistic about the 2nd season.

 

That said, it was clear we were in the mire during pre-season and by October we were going backwards faster than an Italian tank.

[Foxstone]

Nigel Worthington had more of a turd and has delivered comparative success.

 

Mcleish and Smith had the same turd and did infinitely better.

 

Burley has frankly lost it.

 

Did well at Derby but was a dreadful, shameful disaster for us and the Jocks.

 

No doubt we'll be flooded by the loons on this forum who fete Georgie as some miracle worker achieving unbelievable results against all the odds .

 

As if £12m to spunk up the wall on any players you like and the regime with the biggest non-Swiss feelgood factor ever seen at SMS is "all the odds".....

 

 

The man was a blithering idiot !

 

Mikey "COYR" in his attempt to curry favour in a populist manner gave Georgie a higher budget to spend than vbirtually any other side in the CCC, and Georgie still could not construct a team.

Woeful neglect of our achilles heel of a defence, paying top dollar for aged journeymen who delivered no return on our outlay, strange tactics, poor leadership, little discipline, apparant ambivalence and a demeanour one can only politely describe as un-inspiring !

 

Sadly predictable outcome for the Jocks I'm afraid.

[Foxstone]

Burley is NOT responsible for League 1 football, what utter nonsense, that honour lies firmly with Lowe, x2 clueless cloggies and inexperienced youth players. I do believe the stats show Burley to have actually been one of the more successful Saints managers in recent years.

 

Those who think Burley is to blame for League 1 are simply daft.

 

3 wins in 14 games is a crap return for Scotland, he has also alienated some playeers who the sweaty socks couldve done with. No surprises he has gone.

 

He made one hell of a contribution towards it though!

[Scudamore]

If the SFA had bothered to read the generally welcome/delighted reaction the news that GB was leaving the Saints generated on here the jocks might have saved themselves a lot of bother .

 

I can't believe they didn't...

[david in sweden]

see headline.

Personally, I think he's been shabbily treated. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

All the best, GB.[/quote

 

Every good manager has had his bad times and being manager of an International side may be an honour,(especially if it's your own country) but unless you make the last 8 in the next World Cup - you know your head will be on the block within weeks).

 

It will remain for the next poor s*d with the honour of finding some unknown geniuses with Scottish grandmothers who can help build a new side for 2014.

 

NET Results.

1) GB will have a nice pay-off and will be "available " for the next Struggling CCC side who need a new manager.

Hey George ..what about ..IPSWICH ?.

 

2) A breath of relief for Gordon Strachan who has already committed himself for the next few years with 'Boro..

Good diplomacy, Gordon !

 

3) for Scotland fans, you're in for a hard time. I recall 40 years ago when Scotland could get the better of a good England side -

but no more !

Edited 17 November, 2009 by david in sweden

[alpine_saint]

3) for Scotland fans, you're in for a hard time. I recall 40 years ago when Scotland could get the better of a good England side -

but no more !

 

Except the fact that Scotland suddenly turn into Brazil when they play us.

 

I feel so sorry for a nation that's entire national sentiment is based on and fuelled by a jealous and resentful chip-on-their-shoulder towards a neighbour that is actually funding and indulging its existence.

[Foxstone]

Except the fact that Scotland suddenly turn into Brazil when they play us.

 

I feel so sorry for a nation that's entire national sentiment is based on and fuelled by a jealous and resentful chip-on-their-shoulder towards a neighbour that is actually funding and indulging its existence.

 

 

And bailing out their banks ! :mad:

[dellgirl]

I just knew Wotte was hanging around for something....dear Scotland ,have another piece of our useless managerial ex's..........

[JackFrost]

The most inevitable sacking in world football.

 

He was absolutely clueless for the majority of his time here. In our playoff season we had on of if not the best squad in the league, half our team was made up players on the fringes of their international teams.

 

Gb achieved the absolute minimum and made multiple schoolboy errors to achieve that. He preferred very average british players no matter how terrible their form was (Makin, Wright, Best, BWP, Davis when his goal kicks went 18 yards to a player on the other team).

 

It often amazed me how many Scottish players had to 'withdraw due to injury' during Burley's time in charge there. Kris Boyd called it right from the start

Edited 17 November, 2009 by JackFrost

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Poor bugger must be virtually unemployable now. He really did make a complete mess of it here, and arrogant with it. If you are a Scottish Saints fan congratulations on emerging from the end of a very long dark tunnel. Counselling is an option to restore your interest in football.

[DT]

Gordon Strachan must be rueing his rubbish timing and awareness. He'd be a Mcshoo in.

[alpine_saint]

Seems like George should have taken up nuclear physics after retirement.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4743435.Players__too_thick__to_understand_George_Burley_s_coaching_methods/

 

Maybe our players were "too thick" too.

 

What a waste........

[Gordon Mockles]

Good he's been found out. Useless manager that has much to answer for with his limited success that people seem to exaggerate into Burley being some sort of Football Messiah who won the treble! STRANGE!?!

 

Deluded people like SOG continue to defend him merely for reaching the play offs yet look at the players he had at his disposal (the supposed talent), the money spent and the sheer lack of discipline & control in managing the first team and the demotivated and demoralised players (and those pushed out in "mysterious" circumstances - performing players like Pele, Rasiak, Viafara - one min, playing regularly, next....dropped!). Burley left the club in a much, MUCH poorer state than when he arrived (running on a crash course and him bailing saved him more turmoil as fans were rapidly losing patience) and anyone who just looks at the stats and claims he did well for us is, quite frankly, an idiot! Think outside the box and try and engage some logic and sense!

[Junior Mullet]

they have put some shocking performances in and made some strange tactical decisions according to my jock mates.

 

 

LOL, sounds familiar. They were doomed from the minute he took charge.

 

I feel sorry for the sweaties - they had shown signs of improvement and then GB took charge. There was only one way it could go. I fully expect the next manager to get more out of the team.

 

GB is over-rated, arrogant and a wee bit too fond of booze.

[Junior Mullet]

 

I feel so sorry for a nation that's entire national sentiment is based on and fuelled by a jealous and resentful chip-on-their-shoulder towards a neighbour that is actually funding and indulging its existence.

 

Do you mean the island nation of Portsmouth?

[Window Cleaner]

Seems like George should have taken up nuclear physics after retirement.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4743435.Players__too_thick__to_understand_George_Burley_s_coaching_methods/

 

Maybe our players were "too thick" too.

 

What a waste........

 

 

 

bring back the old days when players had time to complete studies and still have a good career as a professional footballer. Steve Heighway and Brian Hall (Liverpool 70's) both had university degrees. Met Steve once because of a common friend, bloody intelligent bloke was Big Bamber.

[Legod Third Coming]

But not a large proportion of this site at the time, it must be noted....

 

It is one of the times when I think that the optimists were simply lulled into a false sense of security having been so narrowly beaten at Pride Park.

 

The reality is you were spot on at the time.

 

The defence was disastrously weakened by the loss of Chris Baird and Claus to injury. Combine that with losing Kenny J and any semblence of spine went with them.

 

To then believe that Safri was a relevant signing was mental. And yet too many fawned over him.

 

He was just one of the many square pegs Burley bought to fill round holes.

 

If Pardew has one redeeming quality above all others, it is that he sees a hole and sticks the right shaped finger in it!!!!!!!

[Scummer]

Seems like George should have taken up nuclear physics after retirement.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4743435.Players__too_thick__to_understand_George_Burley_s_coaching_methods/

 

Maybe our players were "too thick" too.

 

What a waste........

 

Hasn't our current manager said similar things in the past about players not being able to understand his ideas?

[Saint 76er]

Never mind - at least we got some money for him

 

Yes, but do we have a sell on clause?

 

If someone else is stupid enough to sign him up we might make some more money here!

 

Come on skates, you know you want to...

[Thedelldays]

I take no pleasure about being right about burley from an early stage...

[Fowllyd]

Gordon Strachan must be rueing his rubbish timing and awareness. He'd be a Mcshoo in.

 

I reckon Strachan has far too much sense to go anywhere near the Scotland job.

[VectisSaint]

It is one of the times when I think that the optimists were simply lulled into a false sense of security having been so narrowly beaten at Pride Park.

 

The reality is you were spot on at the time.

 

The defence was disastrously weakened by the loss of Chris Baird and Claus to injury. Combine that with losing Kenny J and any semblence of spine went with them.

 

To then believe that Safri was a relevant signing was mental. And yet too many fawned over him.

 

He was just one of the many square pegs Burley bought to fill round holes.

 

If Pardew has one redeeming quality above all others, it is that he sees a hole and sticks the right shaped finger in it!!!!!!!

And the biggest loss of all was Snodin.

For all those who simply quote the stats, take out the games when Snodin was on board and then tell us GB was good. We were crap when GB joined, Snodin joined a while later and we got better, Snodin left and we became utter tripe mid table with the best squad of fatties and lardy boys in the CCC.

[sperm_john]

Good news, imo

[DT]

I reckon Strachan has far too much sense to go anywhere near the Scotland job.

That's right, or a rubbish town in the north east. Oh.

[St Marco]

A good manager does the best with what he has got. The whole "the Scotland players are crap" thing is not right. 2 previous managers had the same players and did far better in far harder groups/matches. To win only 3 games from 14 against lets be honest here pretty crap teams is always going to have one outcome. Dropping the most prolific striker in Scotland who has a near 1 goal in 2 games ratio for country and club, who plays in the champions league for a player playing at that time in the championship who has never played in europe let alone on the national stage, was always going to have one outcome. It was a bold statement of intent that if you dont get on with Burley your not going to play.

 

And for me that is what Burley is about. A manager who will use every excuse to cover his **** man managing skills, a manager who will use every excuse to cover why his teams never performed, a manager who will always say he never had the resources to do a job when people prior to him had the same resources and did better etc etc.

However you look at it Burley is a crap manager. And i have no doubt his next job will see him do the same.

[Fowllyd]

That's right, or a rubbish town in the north east. Oh.

 

His chances of success are far greater with Boro than they could possibly be with Scotland. True, the town itself is a dump, but I doubt that living within Middlesbrough was a condition of taking the job.

[Foxstone]

Seems like George should have taken up nuclear physics after retirement.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4743435.Players__too_thick__to_understand_George_Burley_s_coaching_methods/

 

Maybe our players were "too thick" too.

 

What a waste........

 

 

Maybe the slurring "blurred" his words somewhat !

[alpine_saint]

A good manager does the best with what he has got. The whole "the Scotland players are crap" thing is not right. 2 previous managers had the same players and did far better in far harder groups/matches. To win only 3 games from 14 against lets be honest here pretty crap teams is always going to have one outcome. Dropping the most prolific striker in Scotland who has a near 1 goal in 2 games ratio for country and club, who plays in the champions league for a player playing at that time in the championship who has never played in europe let alone on the national stage, was always going to have one outcome. It was a bold statement of intent that if you dont get on with Burley your not going to play.

And for me that is what Burley is about. A manager who will use every excuse to cover his **** man managing skills, a manager who will use every excuse to cover why his teams never performed, a manager who will always say he never had the resources to do a job when people prior to him had the same resources and did better etc etc.

However you look at it Burley is a crap manager. And i have no doubt his next job will see him do the same.

 

Rasiak, Saga, Viafara.......

[mack rill]

Yes, but do we have a sell on clause?

 

If someone else is stupid enough to sign him up we might make some more money here!

 

Come on skates, you know you want to...

 

As it appens us the Blue Few fort B,B. Gorge was good 4 u.:toimonster:

In fact it was bloody amazing How many of you Pony Boys would finish off a post with the immortal words In Gorge we trust:D

[CB Saint]

I reckon Strachan has far too much sense to go anywhere near the Scotland job.

 

Completely agree. I don't see a line of Scottish managers beating a path to the SFA's door for the ultimate honour of managing your country.

 

PS. Sorry, that is not exactly true - I have just seen that Calderwood and Collins have put themselves forward. Please insert "decent" in front of Scottish in above paragraph

[syd_barrett_saint]

Burley is NOT responsible for League 1 football, what utter nonsense, that honour lies firmly with Lowe, x2 clueless cloggies and inexperienced youth players. I do believe the stats show Burley to have actually been one of the more successful Saints managers in recent years.

 

Those who think Burley is to blame for League 1 are simply daft.

 

3 wins in 14 games is a crap return for Scotland, he has also alienated some playeers who the sweaty socks couldve done with. No surprises he has gone.

IF you were replying to my post (quite possible - your post came right after mine, and it appears to be a direct reply), then may I suggest you READ people's posts more carefully before responding to them. Thanks!

[Windmill Arm 2]

Whe Burley left us I was delighted, his negative tactics and bizarre management drove me insane. But since then he has gone up in my estimations by royally f**king the jocks over. Well done George. Now go get Pompey.

[Saint_clark]

I have never, ever walked out during a game, ever.

 

Until we were 2-0 down against Palace and heading for a pasting because that p i s s artist allowed two of the best defenders in the league to be replaced by Safri and some other lightweight useless midfielders.

 

 

Sorry, but Safri was quality for us. I'd be delighted if we took him back.

In other news, it was never ACTUALLY confirmed on the OS that he had left.

[Arizona]

Sorry, but Safri was quality for us. I'd be delighted if we took him back.

In other news, it was never ACTUALLY confirmed on the OS that he had left.

 

The problem with Safri was he just didn't do enough. A competant player on the ball, but it was impossible to have a decent midfield partner for him.

 

Surman, Licka, Idiakez - "We're too lightweight FFS"

Viafara, Euell - "There's no creativity, it's just hoofball FFS"

 

Safri's ideal partner would have to be a creative man mountain. Not to many of them floating around, certainly not in CCC.

[SaintRobbie]

Before you exonerate Burley from our plight completely, what about the (very expensive) players we had thatr he alienated ?

 

Indeed, have to agree there - it is certainly a trait. Mind you, under Burley we saw nothing like the alienation of decent players that occurred upon Lowe's return with the cloggies.

[SaintRobbie]

IF you were replying to my post (quite possible - your post came right after mine, and it appears to be a direct reply), then may I suggest you READ people's posts more carefully before responding to them. Thanks!

 

Not having a go at you, thought your post was a fair one. More a comment in general. I think Burley had too bad a press on here frankly. Despite his issues he was still arguably one of the more successful of the ****e managers we're had since WGS! (Pardew excepted!)

[Petersfield Saint]

I take no pleasure about being right about burley from an early stage...

 

To be honest DD I was with you, Alpine and WA2 from the moment he stated his aim was for 06/07 was the playoffs - this following a strong finish to the 05/06 season and millions spent in the summer. Statement of intent indeed!! All I remember of 06/07 is frustration, underachievement, and luckily just scraping the playoffs...

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I was sitting around a dinner table at an away match last season and there were 3 or 4 Scots lads opposite. They knew we were Saints fans but they hadn't recognised one of our party. They were moaning like hell about Burley and how we had stitched them up getting compensation when in fact all we had done was get rid of a crap manager blah blah blah. One lad got quite vocal and was saying "I don't know who your bloody chairman was at the time but he sold us a right bloody dud. I'd like to have word with him for stitchng us Scots up".

 

Little did he realise nodding his head along with us Saints fans was one Leon Crouch.

[jam]

I was sitting around a dinner table at an away match last season and there were 3 or 4 Scots lads opposite. They knew we were Saints fans but they hadn't recognised one of our party. They were moaning like hell about Burley and how we had stitched them up getting compensation when in fact all we had done was get rid of a crap manager blah blah blah. One lad got quite vocal and was saying "I don't know who your bloody chairman was at the time but he sold us a right bloody dud. I'd like to have word with him for stitchng us Scots up".

 

Little did he realise nodding his head along with us Saints fans was one Leon Crouch.

 

I have to ask... what was Crouch's response? (to them or afterwards)