Um Bongo Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. People wonder why we don't score from corners very often. James is the reason why. He can put a good cross in. Sometimes. But corners are not his thing. Also, with just him taking them, wastes time for him to run over to the corner. Get the ball in their while the opposition are trying to get ready, not giving them 30 seconds to get back and find their places.
S-Clarke Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 TBF we started scoring from corners once he started taking them and Lallana stopped. I think he has the ability to whip in a fantastic ball, but he is way to inconsistent in delivery, from both open play and set pieces. Alot of the corners are either over hit or played into comfortable positions for the GK. Something to work on in training.
benjii Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. People wonder why we don't score from corners very often. James is the reason why. He can put a good cross in. Sometimes. But corners are not his thing. Also, with just him taking them, wastes time for him to run over to the corner. Get the ball in their while the opposition are trying to get ready, not giving them 30 seconds to get back and find their places. Er, we've scored quite a few from corners this season I think.
saintsmike25 Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. People wonder why we don't score from corners very often. James is the reason why. He can put a good cross in. Sometimes. But corners are not his thing. Also, with just him taking them, wastes time for him to run over to the corner. Get the ball in their while the opposition are trying to get ready, not giving them 30 seconds to get back and find their places. The problem is James has to stop the floated ball delivery he can inswing them in quite well however outswingers he just floats it to the back post for an easy take for the keeper I'd like to see Morgan have a go at corners he takes them for France U20's apparently and he's got the ability to get a good delivery.
Um Bongo Posted 15 November, 2009 Author Posted 15 November, 2009 Er, we've scored quite a few from corners this season I think. It would be intresting to see how many we've scored from and how many we have had - Granted we have scored from a few this season - Should be more though.
benjii Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 I hate it when Hammond scores from that long floated delivery.
VectisSaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. People wonder why we don't score from corners very often. James is the reason why. He can put a good cross in. Sometimes. But corners are not his thing. Also, with just him taking them, wastes time for him to run over to the corner. Get the ball in their while the opposition are trying to get ready, not giving them 30 seconds to get back and find their places. You watched a different game to me. Corners were varied, and mostly well delivered. Free kicks also done well. Some of James' crosses from open play were top drawer. I know its dificult to take when we get beaten after a run of 14 or 15 games, but it happens, and against the teams least likely. But to blame James just shows a shocking lack of football knowledge.
Um Bongo Posted 15 November, 2009 Author Posted 15 November, 2009 You watched a different game to me. Corners were varied, and mostly well delivered. Free kicks also done well. Some of James' crosses from open play were top drawer. I know its dificult to take when we get beaten after a run of 14 or 15 games, but it happens, and against the teams least likely. But to blame James just shows a shocking lack of football knowledge. Im not 'Blaming' James for the defeat. I felt his kicks wern't up to scrach. They did not look varied to me, they were floated in every time. How on earth me saying James corners were rubbish shows a 'shocking lack of football knowledge' baffles me. And we were due a loss at some point. It's not difficult to take.
Saintjersey Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. People wonder why we don't score from corners very often. James is the reason why. He can put a good cross in. Sometimes. But corners are not his thing. Also, with just him taking them, wastes time for him to run over to the corner. Get the ball in their while the opposition are trying to get ready, not giving them 30 seconds to get back and find their places. I completely agree. I think in the second half James must have whipped in about 10 crosses with only about one actually threatening (the one which was narrowly headed wide). As for the corners, what a waste of time they were. Not a single one looked like a goal was going to be the end result. Unfortunately who else is there that can take them? I really want Murty to come back asap, but as for corners we seem to be pretty stuffed.
Gemmel Posted 15 November, 2009 Posted 15 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. Your first point was so good,. i didn't want to ruin things and read the second. James is the weak link.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Agreed. They were some of the worst corners and crosses that I have ever seen. There must be someone who can put in a ball with pace?
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Morgan should be given ago, his delivery for Jaidis equaliser away to Carlisle (?) a while ago was fantastic.
Saint_John Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 A Couple of points: Stop James from taking them. Sorry cannot agree. Lloyd is the BEST we have in the first team at the moment for crossing the ball. You clearly do not remember the attempts in the first few weeks of the season with Adam and a few others taking "9-iron" / "sand-iron" type corners and free-kicks. The question I had about yesterday is why did the 2 centrehalves fail to come up for ALL the corners and long throws in the second half. Why leave 2 of the 6-footers back on the halfway line when we are chasing the game ?
slickmick Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 You watched a different game to me. Corners were varied, and mostly well delivered. Free kicks also done well. Some of James' crosses from open play were top drawer. I know its dificult to take when we get beaten after a run of 14 or 15 games, but it happens, and against the teams least likely. But to blame James just shows a shocking lack of football knowledge. Yep, you were watching a different game. The original poster is spot on in my view.
rooney Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 We never looked liked scoring from our corners all day despite having so many. They were all floaters that the defenders dealt with easily if they did not go too far over. Please, please try whipped in ones ala MLT, as they can cause so much mayhem in the box.
ringwood Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 think the other thing with crosses is that we seem to all be drawn to the near post, no one is standing back on the edge of the box and running at the far post and able to arrive at the ball rather than the ball arrive at them. yesterday to many were guilty of expecting the ball to find them rather than them find the ball floated crosses all well and good but DC in the box would thrive on driven low and hard balls which in fairness is what happened when Waigo came on he gave a different approach with crosses from the byline, most of James and Hardings crosses are from too far out and they need to push on into the spaces which were there yesterday but not used, we seemed in a hurry to move the ball forward rather than seeking the better options
krissyboy31 Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 I hate it when Hammond scores from that long floated delivery. Or misses an open goal from one!!
bungle Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 The whole 'hands on head', 'hands on hips' etc routinue is all good if you vary the kicks about. James can only kick the ball one way, and it doesnt make a difference what he does, it always go to the same place. Load of codswallop. It's easy to spot the different types of delivery. As others have said, we have actually started scoring from corners since James began taking them. Sadly, he is just the new scapegoat.
krissyboy31 Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Load of codswallop. It's easy to spot the different types of delivery. As others have said, we have actually started scoring from corners since James began taking them. Sadly, he is just the new scapegoat. I think crossing the ball is his strong suit and yesterday, particularly 2nd half we should have scored from a couple. Their 3rd goal sadly underlined the weakest part of his game, his shocking lack of pace.
RonManager Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 I think crossing the ball is his strong suit and yesterday, particularly 2nd half we should have scored from a couple. Their 3rd goal sadly underlined the weakest part of his game, his shocking lack of pace. I wouldn't say it was shocking, but I'm afraid it has become very noticeable over a number of games now, especially when it comes to him trying to contain marauding wingers. I would like to see him just as a midfielder so he can concentrate more on building attacks and crossing etc etc, and also get himself closer to the penalty box for longer periods. On that subject, Murty is playing tonight in a reserve game. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/ReservesNews/0,,10280~1876762,00.html
saintsforlife7 Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 I agree, one hand up and it goes for Hammond to start a run to first post then go to back post for that corner. Two hands is near post I think but lallana comes short if nobody is tracking him etc, and they are varied, we had a number of near post flicks and Hammond at far post yesterday, just didn't come off as Brighton were well disciplined at marking(most of the time)
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Perhaps it would be an idea to try someone else running to the back post instead of Hammond? I know he's scored a header from a corner this season but he's also missed quite a few good chances at the backpost. The ball does often get through, so surely if we could have Lambert or Jaidi on the end of it we could score a few more?
benjii Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Perhaps it would be an idea to try someone else running to the back post instead of Hammond? I know he's scored a header from a corner this season but he's also missed quite a few good chances at the backpost. The ball does often get through' date=' so surely if we could have Lambert or Jaidi on the end of it we could score a few more?[/b'] Don't think so. I think the point of that corner is that Hammond hopes to ghost in unmarked. If Lambert, Jaidi or Trotman make that run then the defence send their biggest guy with them as they are percevied as the main threat. That is why it has worked this season (at least twice from memory - Oldham away and another one?)
Andy_Porter Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 James puts in a cracking corner, before this season we hardly ever scored from corners and now we've scored four I think (Jaidi, Hammond, Lambert and Thomas) that's a very good return from corners. Just because they didn't come off yesterday doesn't mean they're bad corners. For whats it's worth I thought LLoydy was one of our better performers yesterday. Can't see Murty getting into the side easily.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 James puts in a cracking corner, before this season we hardly ever scored from corners and now we've scored four I think (Jaidi, Hammond, Lambert and Thomas) that's a very good return from corners. Just because they didn't come off yesterday doesn't mean they're bad corners. For whats it's worth I thought LLoydy was one of our better performers yesterday. Can't see Murty getting into the side easily. Interesting, that. I and many others thought he was our weakest link yesterday, certainly playing at right back. He was at fault for two of the goals and his crosses were nearly all from too far back and when he tried to go past the opposition they just took the ball off him and counter-attacked. Yet some on here have put him down as our best player. We can't all be right.
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Interesting, that. I and many others thought he was our weakest link yesterday, certainly playing at right back. He was at fault for two of the goals and his crosses were nearly all from too far back and when he tried to go past the opposition they just took the ball off him and counter-attacked. Yet some on here have put him down as our best player. We can't all be right. James is better at crosses than setpieces - far up the pitch he can hit a mean, fizzing cross. But he's a one-trick pony. Since he can't take players on or won't take an extra touch, he tries to cross from all positions, especially when he is too deep. The result are lazy, looping crosses that are easy to clean up. Another problem is with Antonio constantly running at players, James doesn't have the chance or the time to get into positions where he can cause real damage with a cross.
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 James is better at crosses than setpieces - far up the pitch he can hit a mean, fizzing cross. But he's a one-trick pony. Since he can't take players on or won't take an extra touch, he tries to cross from all positions, especially when he is too deep. The result are lazy, looping crosses that are easy to clean up. Another problem is with Antonio constantly running at players, James doesn't have the chance or the time to get into positions where he can cause real damage with a cross. His best cross yesterday came when the ball was laid back to him and he hit it first time, only for Lallana to miss the goal from 8 yards out. This was about as high up the pitch as he got (apart from corners).
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 His best cross yesterday came when the ball was laid back to him and he hit it first time, only for Lallana to miss the goal from 8 yards out. This was about as high up the pitch as he got (apart from corners). Sure he never hit the byline. His best crosses come from a few yards outside the 18 yard box, especially when they are laid back to him to hit first time. But yesterday he was happy to cross from far deeper than that.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Be intersting to see how many we have scored from corners and then compare that with how many we could have scored - I agree our corners have been kak for too long baby
70's Mike Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 good pieces are not just about delivery , it also takes positive, determined runs by the recipents and whilst the crooses were poor there was also very little movement
Jack the Saint Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 Morgan should be given ago, his delivery for Jaidis equaliser away to Carlisle (?) a while ago was fantastic. You mean the one where the goalkeeper came and caught it but then dropped in onto Jaidi's foot?
Saint_clark Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 You mean the one where the goalkeeper came and caught it but then dropped in onto Jaidi's foot? Yes. The delivery was still fantastic.
garryuk Posted 16 November, 2009 Posted 16 November, 2009 On that subject, Murty is playing tonight in a reserve game. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/ReservesNews/0,,10280~1876762,00.html Currently 1-1, murty the scorer
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