I've been pretty impressed with Lowe.

[SaintFrog]

The simple fact is that Lowe has split the club, until he leaves our fans will continue to nip at eachother on these forums, which is really sad to see us do (especially over so many years)

 

I've never been a big fan of his, I think his poor business/financial/transfer decisions have cost us no doubt over the years. However, we've also had a lot of bad luck along the way and I don't think anyone could say that the state we're in is entirely his fault.

 

I just don't think he's a strong leader who will take us forward in the manner we all want. He may have the best of intentions, but I have no faith in him as a chairman to lead our club. I just want him to leave, and never come back, but until someone better comes along, we're stuck with the devil we know

[Delmary]

Looks increasing like Lowe will be overseeing another relegation

But he is the best man for the job. Lol

[ALWAYS_SFC]

But he is the best man for the job. Lol

 

The thing is who says he is the best man for the job?????

 

Only his puppet supporters who give him the vote on their shares and

the two faced yes man ,Mr "football first" Wilde..

 

Anyone else........err no

[alpine_saint]

The thing is who says he is the best man for the job?????

 

Only his puppet supporters who give him the vote on their shares and

the two faced yes man ,Mr "football first" Wilde..

 

Anyone else........err no

 

Oooo, I could list a few regulars from on here....

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Oooo, I could list a few regulars from on here....

 

Just list the ones that matter.....err.

[Bourno]

Lowe Out

[Isla Wight]

Lowe Out 2

[OldNick]

The thing is who says he is the best man for the job?????

 

Only his puppet supporters who give him the vote on their shares and

the two faced yes man ,Mr "football first" Wilde..

 

Anyone else........err no

I said RL is he best man out of him and LC for the job.

If there were any other options I may decide on another route.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I said RL is he best man out of him and LC for the job.

If there were any other options I may decide on another route.

 

Based on what?

[OldNick]

Based on what?

It is raking old greound but if I was to want someone to get me out of a financial mess RL would be my choice above LC.Last season when the writing was on the wall we should have battened down the hatches and not spent on some high wage earners as the parachute payment was over.

It was pointed out when the Wilde bunch came in that their plans to spend were a gamble. It was good for a while but like all who live on credit sooner or later the bill has to be paid.

[Fan The Flames]

It is raking old greound but if I was to want someone to get me out of a financial mess RL would be my choice above LC.Last season when the writing was on the wall we should have battened down the hatches and not spent on some high wage earners as the parachute payment was over.

It was pointed out when the Wilde bunch came in that their plans to spend were a gamble. It was good for a while but like all who live on credit sooner or later the bill has to be paid.

 

Based on what, Lowe's track record or just a gut feeling.

[OldNick]

Based on what, Lowe's track record or just a gut feeling.

Knowing he will put financial stability first.LC is a Saints fan and so would be blinded by that a little when making decisions, he seemed to wish to be popular as well.

[aintforever]

Knowing he will put financial stability first.LC is a Saints fan and so would be blinded by that a little when making decisions, he seemed to wish to be popular as well.

 

I'm far from Crouch's biggest fan but virtually all of the over spending happend with Lowe's mate Wilde in charge, Crouch only over saw the post Xmas period where he made unpopular descisions like loaning out Rasiak and Skacel and also brought in loanies like Wright, Perry and Lucketti that probably saved the club from relegation and certain financial meltdown.

 

Wilde and his execs were the ones who really ****ed up.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

It is raking old greound but if I was to want someone to get me out of a financial mess RL would be my choice above LC.Last season when the writing was on the wall we should have battened down the hatches and not spent on some high wage earners as the parachute payment was over.

It was pointed out when the Wilde bunch came in that their plans to spend were a gamble. It was good for a while but like all who live on credit sooner or later the bill has to be paid.

 

You forget Lowe`s financial prudence oversaw our relagation

[Wade Garrett]

It is raking old greound but if I was to want someone to get me out of a financial mess RL would be my choice above LC.Last season when the writing was on the wall we should have battened down the hatches and not spent on some high wage earners as the parachute payment was over.

It was pointed out when the Wilde bunch came in that their plans to spend were a gamble. It was good for a while but like all who live on credit sooner or later the bill has to be paid.

 

He struck a balance by loaning Rasiak and Skacel. I thought Leon did a decent job.

[Wade Garrett]

I'm far from Crouch's biggest fan but virtually all of the over spending happend with Lowe's mate Wilde in charge, Crouch only over saw the post Xmas period where he made unpopular descisions like loaning out Rasiak and Skacel and also brought in loanies like Wright, Perry and Lucketti that probably saved the club from relegation and certain financial meltdown.

 

Wilde and his execs were the ones who really ****ed up.

 

 

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

[Guest Hacienda]

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

 

Some idiots swollow it.

[NickG]

bottom line is we can only really go on gut feelings as we don't get the full picture.

 

Unfortunately both give of bad impressions!

[OldNick]

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

the Wilde bunch oversaw all that went on after RL. They were all in the boardroom making the decisions.LC should have stemmed the flow of outgoings.

[rocknrollman no2]

the Wilde bunch oversaw all that went on after RL. They were all in the boardroom making the decisions.LC should have stemmed the flow of outgoings.

 

Some could say the decisions Lowe made(and is still making),has done more damage to the club,than Crouch ever could.

[Morph]

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

 

It was good to say hello to Leon and Ian Gordon at the game today. They were sitting amongst the Saints fans in the Upper Stand at Loftus Road, not something I recall Wilde and Lowe doing when they are out of office.

 

Regards

 

 

Morph

[Amesbury Saint]

It was good to say hello to Leon and Ian Gordon at the game today. They were sitting amongst the Saints fans in the Upper Stand at Loftus Road, not something I recall Wilde and Lowe doing when they are out of office.

 

Regards

 

 

Morph

 

Other than saying hello, did they stay when the cavalry are coming to save us.

[Papa Shango]

Well, I can remember which club Hall went on to, and can remember how his towering defensive ability stabilised their defence and I remember their stunning fight against relegation.

 

We did not "pay a huge price" for letting Fitz f u cking Hall go. We made a profit on a player who wasn't, and still isn't, Prem standard.

 

But who cares, we've just lost again, so I'll leave you to mop up your lap.

 

Hall wasn't the greatest player in the world, but he was certainly a lot better than Higginbotham, who cost us so many vital points that season with his stupid mistakes.

 

Not that it matters now

Edited 14 September, 2008 by Papa Shango

[Fan The Flames]

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

 

It fits their version of events and keeps their image of Lowe intact, because that seems to be important to them.

[eelpie]

You said our defence would get us relegated. We stayed up last season so our defence must be worse. I dont think it is and we havent conceeded loads of goals. Our problem is clearly converting our chances as the stats show and as I have seen myself attending all but one game so far

 

We conceded today within 30 seconds!

We let in soft goals. The fourth in injury time. And but for the offside flag and some heroic saves by Kelvin they would have won by considerably more.

 

WE could have score more, but were muscled off the ball by a resolute and ruthless defence.

 

Hypochondriac, Itchen and NickH - sadly, I have to I rest my case.

[dubai_phil]

We conceded today within 30 seconds!

We let in soft goals. The fourth in injury time. And but for the offside flag and some heroic saves by Kelvin they would have won by considerably more.

 

WE could have score more, but were muscled off the ball by a resolute and ruthless defence.

 

Hypochondriac, Itchen and NickH - sadly, I have to I rest my case.

 

Not sure we were "muscled" off the ball, simply we didn't make enough space when we had 11 men. Later when the game opened up a little more we did make more around the edge of the box, but I think it is as much that we lack that killer instinct around the box as muscle. DMG will make the grade but would much prefer SJ for the first hour in the next game, once Peckhart came on KD started kicking long more often with obvious results

[hypochondriac]

We had ten men for much of the game and we didnt play perry which was a big error. If we keep a clean sheet on wednesday can I rest my case?

[Thedelldays]

We had ten men for much of the game and we didnt play perry which was a big error. If we keep a clean sheet on wednesday can I rest my case?

case from what?

we can hold out own against a lower league team?

 

will we get any points from it?

[Thedelldays]

eeer, my error, we are playing Ipswich...lol

[OldNick]

We conceded today within 30 seconds!

We let in soft goals. The fourth in injury time. And but for the offside flag and some heroic saves by Kelvin they would have won by considerably more.

 

WE could have score more, but were muscled off the ball by a resolute and ruthless defence.

 

Hypochondriac, Itchen and NickH - sadly, I have to I rest my case.

I dont know what case you are on about. If it is the defence,where have I said it wqas any good?

I just see that there doesnt seem any alternative to what we are doing in the present financial position.If you can come up with a pla to cut our 100k-300k a week losses and still have a lot of quality experienced players in the side then Im with you.If not then we have to get on with it.

Business is about forward planning.The powers that be knew that the parachute payments were coming to an end, they then should have been prudent. They had the fruits of Walcott, Bale baird and Jones, and even then we were losing money.Surely the alarm bells should have been ringing that we wouldnt find those every season to bail us out.

RL was there when we got relegated, some was down to him, the Wilde bunch took over on false promises and then to curry favour they went on a spending spree and took on long term committments regarding wages.We are now paying for that gamble.So rest your case when you can come back and give us well thought out answers to your case.I am prepared to listen but you must realise finance comes first.

[alpine_saint]

I dont know what case you are on about. If it is the defence,where have I said it wqas any good?

I just see that there doesnt seem any alternative to what we are doing in the present financial position.If you can come up with a pla to cut our 100k-300k a week losses and still have a lot of quality experienced players in the side then Im with you.If not then we have to get on with it.

Business is about forward planning.The powers that be knew that the parachute payments were coming to an end, they then should have been prudent. They had the fruits of Walcott, Bale baird and Jones, and even then we were losing money.Surely the alarm bells should have been ringing that we wouldnt find those every season to bail us out.

RL was there when we got relegated, some was down to him, the Wilde bunch took over on false promises and then to curry favour they went on a spending spree and took on long term committments regarding wages.We are now paying for that gamble.So rest your case when you can come back and give us well thought out answers to your case.I am prepared to listen but you must realise finance comes first.

 

Still ignoring collapsing attendances then ???

[OldNick]

Still ignoring collapsing attendances then ???

I have just put a post up in response to yours on the 'thoughts of those at the game' please read it.

Collapsing attendances happen when the team does badly, I dont think anyone argues with that.I dont know or have missed posts by you on that subject and so do not understand what context you are putting that to me.

[trousers]

It was good to say hello to Leon and Ian Gordon at the game today. They were sitting amongst the Saints fans in the Upper Stand at Loftus Road

 

Conspiracy theory alert.....was it pure coincidence that you were sitting close enough to them to see where they were and say "hello" or are you more 'connected' to these guys that you let on....?

[alpine_saint]

I have just put a post up in response to yours on the 'thoughts of those at the game' please read it.

Collapsing attendances happen when the team does badly, I dont think anyone argues with that.I dont know or have missed posts by you on that subject and so do not understand what context you are putting that to me.

 

Yes, I read it. Thanks for finally recognising the obvious - that I do care about SFC (though I would ahve thought that patently obvious from the amount of my time I spend ranting about it).

 

My argument with you and a few others is that whilst you laud Lowe's financial "prudence", you completely ignore what he is doing to SFC as a going concern in the name of short-term book-balacing (and considering our inability to get rid of the likes of Skacel, Euell, etc. its not even clear he has managed that).

 

If no-one wants to buy your product, you will go out of business. Simple as that.

 

I am not convinced, and never will be unless someone invented an invisibility cloak and a flux capacitor so I could have attended the meetings between Lowe and Barclays, that Lowe made enough of a case for keeping the team viable whilst agreeing cost cutting.

 

Why ? Because he is so damned obstinate about playing the (cheap) yoof and this (cheap) coaching set-up, despite all evidence from the last attempt indicating it doesnt work.

[OldNick]

Yes, I read it. Thanks for finally recognising the obvious - that I do care about SFC (though I would ahve thought that patently obvious from the amount of my time I spend ranting about it).

 

My argument with you and a few others is that whilst you laud Lowe's financial "prudence", you completely ignore what he is doing to SFC as a going concern in the name of short-term book-balacing (and considering our inability to get rid of the likes of Skacel, Euell, etc. its not even clear he has managed that).

 

If no-one wants to buy your product, you will go out of business. Simple as that.

 

I am not convinced, and never will be unless someone invented an invisibility cloak and a flux capacitor so I could have attended the meetings between Lowe and Barclays, that Lowe made enough of a case for keeping the team viable whilst agreeing cost cutting.

 

Why ? Because he is so damned obstinate about playing the (cheap) yoof and this (cheap) coaching set-up, despite all evidence from the last attempt indicating it doesnt work.

When did you stop going when you lived in the UK? Fans have been deserting since relegation and as time goes by there will be a natural decline as the disappointment will just make some give up.

RL did not sanction those players you mention, and it shows that the wages they were taken on with are not sustainable by any other club even though there is no fee required.How is that RL's fault.It is patently obvious to every club they can have them for nothing.

Again the bank said it would support LC as long as he sold/rid us of any asset that could be sold. RL woud have had to adhere to that and satisfied the banks for their continued support.

We were fortunate that so many players came out of contract and their high wages were shed, some are still here and harder to shift that s### off a shovel.

I agree RL is going for the cheap option but that is the most viable way forward.I defy anyone to accept that going into adminsitration and a minus 10 or 15 points would be recovered from.

Playing this way we have avoided losing at least 10 points and whoever was in charge(manager) would have a team similar to we have now as the receivers would sell any player for almost any price to get the banks money in. We do not have the luxury of saying like it or lump it to the banks, it is them calling the tune.

[alpine_saint]

When did you stop going when you lived in the UK? Fans have been deserting since relegation and as time goes by there will be a natural decline as the disappointment will just make some give up.

RL did not sanction those players you mention, and it shows that the wages they were taken on with are not sustainable by any other club even though there is no fee required.How is that RL's fault.It is patently obvious to every club they can have them for nothing.

Again the bank said it would support LC as long as he sold/rid us of any asset that could be sold. RL woud have had to adhere to that and satisfied the banks for their continued support.

We were fortunate that so many players came out of contract and their high wages were shed, some are still here and harder to shift that s### off a shovel.

I agree RL is going for the cheap option but that is the most viable way forward.I defy anyone to accept that going into adminsitration and a minus 10 or 15 points would be recovered from.

Playing this way we have avoided losing at least 10 points and whoever was in charge(manager) would have a team similar to we have now as the receivers would sell any player for almost any price to get the banks money in. We do not have the luxury of saying like it or lump it to the banks, it is them calling the tune.

 

Where did I say that Lowe should have presented a fait accompli to the banks ?

 

I said he doesnt see the value in certain players that dont fit with his narrow self-opinionate view of football, so can hardly make a convincing case for their retention to the bank.

 

Does anyone really think the bank would have insisted on the dumping of a certain couple of players if they could have seen what it would do to results and subsequently to attendances ?

 

Saganowski was probably costing us 15 grand a week - 1500 on the attendance - easily achieved if he helped us win a few games.

[OldNick]

Where did I say that Lowe should have presented a fait accompli to the banks ?

 

I said he doesnt see the value in certain players that dont fit with his narrow self-opinionate view of football, so can hardly make a convincing case for their retention to the bank.

 

Does anyone really think the bank would have insisted on the dumping of a certain couple of players if they could have seen what it would do to results and subsequently to attendances ?

 

Saganowski was probably costing us 15 grand a week - 1500 on the attendance - easily achieved if he helped us win a few games.

Firstly you would have to accept that banks know something about football to understand that concept.Secondly Saga would have to perform and score something he didnt do mush of since he got his contract. Putting 1500 on the gate will take more than Saga playing. You have to put yourself in lc or RLs shoes when putting forward a plan that the banks will accept, especially in the financial conditions at the time.In fact if we have to go to them now I suspect that they would pull the rug. We had to show ways we were trying to cut the costs and players like Saga would be big figures for the banks to gobble up and be pleased. As I said they are calling the tune and look at it as their money and dont care if we go down as long as they get their investment back. (that could be said of RL and Wilde of course)

[alpine_saint]

Firstly you would have to accept that banks know something about football to understand that concept.Secondly Saga would have to perform and score something he didnt do mush of since he got his contract. Putting 1500 on the gate will take more than Saga playing. You have to put yourself in lc or RLs shoes when putting forward a plan that the banks will accept, especially in the financial conditions at the time.In fact if we have to go to them now I suspect that they would pull the rug. We had to show ways we were trying to cut the costs and players like Saga would be big figures for the banks to gobble up and be pleased. As I said they are calling the tune and look at it as their money and dont care if we go down as long as they get their investment back. (that could be said of RL and Wilde of course)

 

Does the bank stand more chance of getting their money back if we have a viable football team or not ?

 

Do you really think the bank are too stupid to realise that ? What are they doing lending millions to football clubs if they have no idea at all ?

 

I still feel deep down our financial difficulties are being played/portrayed to the advantage of certain individuals.....

[OldNick]

Does the bank stand more chance of getting their money back if we have a viable football team or not ?

 

Do you really think the bank are too stupid to realise that ? What are they doing lending millions to football clubs if they have no idea at all ?

 

I still feel deep down our financial difficulties are being played/portrayed to the advantage of certain individuals.....

there are two ways of looking at a viable team and taking extra losses to get be in that position.

To get more of their money back they have to lend us more money currently to get more money back later. Or they keep us just afloat without taking more risk enough to get the stadium debt interest paid and also the overdraft down.Forget nit they still have3 the asset and if we do go into administration whoever takes over will have to rent the stadium back. To a degree a lot of the banks money is safe, they just dont want to increase our overdraft and in fact reduce it. That is why Saga etc needed to be offloaded.I worry for us in jan when Rasiak etc's loan runs out and he will be back, thus more heavy wages back on the payroll.Which leads us to the reckless contracts the club agreed to, I don't recall if RL was in charge then or not.

[up and away]

Decent post. I'm in total agreement. Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde spunked the parachute money, yet Crouch is the scapegoat for our financial position.

 

And some people actually swallow that crap.

 

You conveniently forget that those comments by Crouch when he was first removed form the football board. " We have lost too many good people, I have fought them at every turn"?

 

Not only do people swallow this crap, some are so blind as to stick it in a roll and apply a line of mustard before eating.

 

Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde is the culprit by starting this off by the overspend, but Crouch is the architect of where we find ourselves now.

[Master Bates]

Does anyone have Lowe's e.mail address please, i've lost it, cheerski.

[OldNick]

Does anyone have Lowe's e.mail address please, i've lost it, cheerski.

I dont thnk he wants pictures of scantily clad ladies today MB. Show him a few shots of gundogs or a few dead ducks (not the first team squad and manager) that will cheer him up more

[Master Bates]

I dont thnk he wants pictures of scantily clad ladies today MB. Show him a few shots of gundogs or a few dead ducks (not the first team squad and manager) that will cheer him up more

 

Do you have it per chance?

[OldNick]

Do you have it per chance?

No I dont MB, isnt it something like AskRupert?

Email the club and they will pass it on, not before airbrushing the hairy bits

[Master Bates]

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[Lunatic Fridge]

I have just put a post up in response to yours on the 'thoughts of those at the game' please read it.

Collapsing attendances happen when the team does badly, I dont think anyone argues with that.I dont know or have missed posts by you on that subject and so do not understand what context you are putting that to me.

 

Well I argue with that. No collapsing attendances when we were in the Premiership when we had a poor spell. But then Saints was a proper Football Club.

 

I dont go because of Lowe - his failure to run the club before and his ability to f*ck things up again. I would not be supporting the club I had been for over 30 years, I would be supporting Lowe Disunited and I would rather save my money than give it to shysters like Lowe and Wilde.

 

For me the club I supported home and away is dead in the water until the current set up have gone. Face it the spirit and tradition of this club have gone completely for now. We will be relegated because of Lowe's lack of a proper strategy to secure a championship position and seek promotion asap. Playing untried and naive youngsters is no proper strategy in this division.

 

It is galling and a fact which the likes of you conveniently ignore - at the last game of last season we had 32000 at St Mary's with a good manager able to motivate (seen his results lately?). Lowe brushed this aside claiming only that it was brinkmanship at the end.

 

So it may have been but that is football Im afraid. Only 3 or 4 teams will win the Premier title, the FA cup etc. The rest will have their good times for a while and poor times - thats the way of things. Lowe does not and never has understood the football industry nor the supporter. I would rather (and I believe most) would prefer to have this scenario once again.

 

But you enjoy watching kids making all the errors of the recent previous teams with the exception that at the end they will not have the wherewithall to get out of the mess. So watch the attendances decline and unless we win 3 or 4 matches in the next month enjoy your football among 12000 or so diehard Saints and be prepared for Div 1 next year.

 

I will not be there as many others until the club is again a proper football club and if that means starting from the bottom so be it as long as Lowe Disunited is no longer.

[OldNick]

Well I argue with that. No collapsing attendances when we were in the Premiership when we had a poor spell. But then Saints was a proper Football Club.

 

I dont go because of Lowe - his failure to run the club before and his ability to f*ck things up again. I would not be supporting the club I had been for over 30 years, I would be supporting Lowe Disunited and I would rather save my money than give it to shysters like Lowe and Wilde.

 

For me the club I supported home and away is dead in the water until the current set up have gone. Face it the spirit and tradition of this club have gone completely for now. We will be relegated because of Lowe's lack of a proper strategy to secure a championship position and seek promotion asap. Playing untried and naive youngsters is no proper strategy in this division.

 

It is galling and a fact which the likes of you conveniently ignore - at the last game of last season we had 32000 at St Mary's with a good manager able to motivate (seen his results lately?). Lowe brushed this aside claiming only that it was brinkmanship at the end.

 

So it may have been but that is football Im afraid. Only 3 or 4 teams will win the Premier title, the FA cup etc. The rest will have their good times for a while and poor times - thats the way of things. Lowe does not and never has understood the football industry nor the supporter. I would rather (and I believe most) would prefer to have this scenario once again.

 

But you enjoy watching kids making all the errors of the recent previous teams with the exception that at the end they will not have the wherewithall to get out of the mess. So watch the attendances decline and unless we win 3 or 4 matches in the next month enjoy your football among 12000 or so diehard Saints and be prepared for Div 1 next year.

 

I will not be there as many others until the club is again a proper football club and if that means starting from the bottom so be it as long as Lowe Disunited is no longer.

So 32000k turned up because of NP's team playing exhillerating football or to watch a potential train crash? Yes I have seen NP's recent result, like us it was a defeat, except it was home to Millwall.

You went and watched Lowe disunited when we were in the PL but all of a sudden get all principalled when we got relegated. I live too much in the past but am not naive enough to think we were some kind of club with super morals. We punched above our weight, had the fortune to unearth MLT who helped keep us from this fate earlier and in a perverse way it has cost us all as had he not kept us up the stadium would not be a burden around our neck.

Before some go off on one Iam not blaming MLT for the mess.

I am delighted to stand with the 12000 as the dont give in as easily as some, stupid we may be but honest loyal decent people who realise that every dog has its day, that we have been privilaged to see our club in cup finals europe etc when clubs like Rochdale have never tasted even that little bit of success.

Im pragmatic enough to see why RL is doing what he is doing, do you not think he'd rather be popular and have money to splash to appease us?

We are in the mire and have to the best with what we have. I knew it was going to be tough but the players are giving their best shot and are not being paid obscene amounts for doing so.

I hope soon you change you opinion and come back to games, the club is dying and it is when bad health comes around you find out who your real friends are, at the moment the club has only 12k friends.

[Lunatic Fridge]

Your memory is either pretty poor or you are very young. To compare us to Rochdale is not just stupid but disrespectful to your club and its supporters.

 

Way before MLT we were never punching above our weight - we were there because we deserved to be and we played good football so we finished 2nd in Div 1 and got to a final or two. We were a decent size club with good support.

 

Thats been f8cked completely now by Lowe and either through blind faith or selected memory you choose to ignore this fact. Moral: never believe a word Lowe and his cronies utter - his actions and motivations are and have proved to be totally in his own interests.

[alpine_saint]

Your memory is either pretty poor or you are very young. To compare us to Rochdale is not just stupid but disrespectful to your club and its supporters.

 

 

 

I must admit I raised an eyebrow at the Rochdale comment, which struck me as somewhat ironic considering nickh is up-in-arms every time I or anyone else makes a comment that he considers disrespectful to the club and its fans...

[Wade Garrett]

You conveniently forget that those comments by Crouch when he was first removed form the football board. " We have lost too many good people, I have fought them at every turn"?

 

Not only do people swallow this crap, some are so blind as to stick it in a roll and apply a line of mustard before eating.

 

Lowe oversaw relegation, Wilde is the culprit by starting this off by the overspend, but Crouch is the architect of where we find ourselves now.

 

Absolute horsesh*t.