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This reminds me of 'The Emperors New Clothes'.

 

We have an untried manager at this level (cheap).

We have a divided fanbase.

We have dwindling attendances.

We have won 1 game in 4.

We have players being brought in that the manager hasn't a clue about - surely not Chairman Lowe bringing them in.

 

Let's face it, Lowe is crap. If he was that great at running a football club, he would have been headhunted as a chief exec from a top side.

 

Yes.

 

He does not (and NEVER has attracted investment in his plc. EVER. Even his shareholders hate him in post - the share price is at an ALL TIME LOW(e).

 

He is acting as a Director of Football and has bought for profit not team requirements.

 

His 'manager's' results are: LLWL...L

 

We are going down on this form and WILL continue to.

 

But very importantly ... Mike Wilde tells it as it is when he said a couple of days ago that Saints are now a 'Feeder Club' and WILL need to seel youngsters to stay financially fuid. Now... that says what I have been typing since last May... This experiement in youth cannot work anyway. We will sell as the players mature.

 

Therefore what is the alternative?

 

We all get together - fans, previous stars, previous greats like Lawrie Mac, Shareholders like Mary Corbett, Southampton City Council and MPs and respected fans like Steve Grant and you know what we do?

 

WE SELL THIS ****ING CLUB.

 

We need a takeover to survive. Lets go and get it before Lowe kills this Club for the rest of our lifetimes. I want to cheer this team in the Premiership where it should be.

 

Come on... stop this nonsense. MIKE WILDE - Let's unite and sell.

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You dont think he is ?

 

Talk about burying your head in the sand.

 

you regularly make up things to ciriticise saints -why?

 

where is your source that he is in agony after every game?

 

I have heard him interviewed after several games -never once has he said he was in agony, couple of times said no reaction -once (think it was first game) he said it was a bit tight.

 

So what is your source for what you state as fact?

 

How bad this current set back is, I don't know, nor whether there will be more. JP said on local radio Friday night that his knee was a bit sore after weight training so he has insisted he rest it and gets it checked, and he is likely to be in consideration for the midweek game.

 

Genuinely interested in why you make these things up to put saints down? There's enough bad there already!

 

And where is your info you said you had on the business plan or did you make that up as well?

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This reminds me of 'The Emperors New Clothes'.

 

We have an untried manager at this level (cheap).

We have a divided fanbase.

We have dwindling attendances.

We have won 1 game in 4.

We have players being brought in that the manager hasn't a clue about - surely not Chairman Lowe bringing them in.

 

Let's face it, Lowe is crap. If he was that great at running a football club, he would have been headhunted as a chief exec from a top side.

 

so to follow your logic we wont get any better:confused:

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why did you make it up?

 

not me burying my head in sand, its me admitting I don't know much about his knee but have heard him say he is not in agony after every game,

 

is he the liar or you?

 

I havent made anything up. I have said "the bloke is clearly in agony". Its my interpretation. For you, the other Nick and any other pedants floating about, I did not say "He is in agony" or "He has said he is in agony". The basis for my interpretation ?

 

He misses week games.

 

He is now missing a weekend game despite 2 weeks without a match

 

There is an article on the OS or in the Echo soon after every game going on about his knee being sore.

 

I think I've made a reasonable extrapolation.

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not really -nothing says he is agony after games -and he denies it. Made up.

 

 

This business plan with obvious holes in it -what is the plan and what are the holes you have spotted?

 

Where has he denied being in agony ? Or in your opinion is him saying "its sore" the same as "I categorically deny being in agony" ? Talk about me making things up.

 

This business plan bolllox. WTF are you on about ? First you say I have inside info on the business plan, then you go on about "obvious holes". Can you explain ? (please feel free to use one syllable words if that helps)...

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Everyone is aware of the risk that is involved, but what few fail to grasp is that there was no real alternative, such is the magnitude of our financial problems. Our only chance of getting out of this is to develop the youth, even though that may mean selling some on to keep us afloat, because of the failure to get enough savings / finance from the senior players.

The one thing I believe we have all benefited from is the restraint on comments from all parties, Lowe, Wilde, Crouch and McM.

 

I feel we have had some help along the way to get Schneiderlin and I would guess at Wilde doing something similar along the lines of Crouch with Andrew Davies.

ARGGGGH You are WRONG! There IS an alternative. Tell me which clubs under similar circumstances as ourselves have attempted this?

 

You've eventually got round to understanding that all the senior players were up for sale. You should get round to figuring out that we have not moved enough to square things financially. We have two choices, administration or develop the youth to give the bank a reason to stick with us and not fail to honour cheques. If they believe that by developing the youth there is a good chance they can get more of a return than by pulling the plug, then we have a chance. I doubt the bank will place us in administration directly, but just failing to honour cheques will do the job. We are forced to develop and play the youth because of the financial position we are in. The only question arises as to who is best suited to do this job. Because the Dutch boys favour the system the Academy has been using, it only seems a natural extension to appoint a coach who will be using that system. This will not be a short term measure, but more than likely over a few years and we require the bank to buy into this concept over this period for it to work out. This will mean having to sell some of those youth, but hopefully few if we can get a decent fee. If we don't have the banks support for what ever reason, it all ends there and then.

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you regularly make up things to ciriticise saints -why?

 

where is your source that he is in agony after every game?

 

I have heard him interviewed after several games -never once has he said he was in agony, couple of times said no reaction -once (think it was first game) he said it was a bit tight.

So what is your source for what you state as fact?

 

How bad this current set back is, I don't know, nor whether there will be more. JP said on local radio Friday night that his knee was a bit sore after weight training so he has insisted he rest it and gets it checked, and he is likely to be in consideration for the midweek game.

 

Genuinely interested in why you make these things up to put saints down? There's enough bad there already!

 

And where is your info you said you had on the business plan or did you make that up as well?

 

Where has he denied being in agony ? Or in your opinion is him saying "its sore" the same as "I categorically deny being in agony" ? Talk about me making things up.

 

This business plan bolllox. WTF are you on about ? First you say I have inside info on the business plan, then you go on about "obvious holes". Can you explain ? (please feel free to use one syllable words if that helps)...

 

yes think it will help if I keep it simple for you

no reaction -not in agony

bit tight -not in agony.

Simple enough for you?

 

You stated that there are holes in the business plan big enough to drive a bus through. So what is the business plan and what are the holes that you spotted that the bank manager didn't?

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Sadly ther are some people that would accept this club going down if it meant settling their vendetta against Lowe.

After all, they were prepared to push us down the hill of destruction so that they could stick two fingers up at Hoddle in 2003.

Oh, but they will never admit it after the event. No, they will have moved on to villify ssmoeone else.

A sort of sport I suppose, or some very clever blue noses.

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Sadly ther are some people that would accept this club going down if it meant settling their vendetta against Lowe.

 

I know it wouldn't take long before that lame line got trotted out again.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Feel free to list out all those people who have said as much.

 

I await the long list of names;)

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Oh please, who is going to admit to such a thing.

 

So, if they would never admit it then how do you know that's what they want?

 

Telepathy, private messages (if so I reckon you should out them) or just ****** you've made up.

 

Don't take offence, but I'm plumping for number three.

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You stated that there are holes in the business plan big enough to drive a bus through. So what is the business plan and what are the holes that you spotted that the bank manager didn't?

 

The hole is so obvious, and has been stated on here so often, and not only by me, that I am completely astounded that I need to repeat it. But there's no accounting for some people's memory or intellect, so here goes, hopefully for the last time....

 

All this prudent wage bill trimming counts for jack shiiit if the football served up and the results obtained does not attract in the punters to give sufficient attendance. The attendance against Blackpool was 15,000, the first match of the season was only 19,000. There is no way that Lowe has gone to the bank with these figures in the business plan, therefore the club is going to have to find even bigger cuts in the wage bill or sell more players.

 

Only, we cannot get rid of a lot of our high wage earners to anybody, because no-one will pay them the wages they expect for the football they are likely to get in return. In addition, Euell and Thomas appear to be long-term injured, so wont even contribute any football to offset their wages.

 

So, you tell me now how the plan isnt full of holes. Lowe still has as big problems as Crouch had, since at least Crouch had bigger attendances...

 

And guess what ? No-one even needs to have inside info in order to state these issues, because they come under the category of "bleeding obvious"...I can see them from here...

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So, if they would never admit it then how do you know that's what they want?

 

Telepathy, private messages (if so I reckon you should out them) or just ****** you've made up.

 

Don't take offence, but I'm plumping for number three.

 

 

Not telepathy, but a deduction made from the things that people sometimes say.

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The hole is so obvious, and has been stated on here so often, and not only by me, that I am completely astounded that I need to repeat it. But there's no accounting for some people's memory or intellect, so here goes, hopefully for the last time....

 

All this prudent wage bill trimming counts for jack shiiit if the football served up and the results obtained does not attract in the punters to give sufficient attendance. The attendance against Blackpool was 15,000, the first match of the season was only 19,000. There is no way that Lowe has gone to the bank with these figures in the business plan, therefore the club is going to have to find even bigger cuts in the wage bill or sell more players.

 

Only, we cannot get rid of a lot of our high wage earners to anybody, because no-one will pay them the wages they expect for the football they are likely to get in return. In addition, Euell and Thomas appear to be long-term injured, so wont even contribute any football to offset their wages.

 

So, you tell me now how the plan isnt full of holes. Lowe still has as big problems as Crouch had, since at least Crouch had bigger attendances...

 

And guess what ? No-one even needs to have inside info in order to state these issues, because they come under the category of "bleeding obvious"...I can see them from here...

 

Two minor flaws in otherwise sound logic. You added your assumption to something that MAY have happened at a meeting where we don't know the facts. A more reasoned argument would have been to say "I think it is highly unlikely that Lowe used figures as low as 19,000 - because 1) We have no idea what he said and 2) he may have been able to do an excel sheet as well as I can (And I'm krap at them!)

 

1) The earlybird season ticket sales figures were in place when Lowe & Wilde returned, maybe not exact but enough to allow an experienced Finance Director to extrapolate

2) I produced an excel sheet last season tracking the trend line of our attendances since relegation in case it was needed at a meeting I had been asked to attend. The trend line showed two things - 1) there were no significant changes when the Board changed (Lowe out and Execs out) and 2) the probable average gate for this season would likely be in the 18/19,000 range.

 

With regard to the wage earners - bad news about Euell being injured, fully agree that made a dent in the plans but then Davies went for money (and the rumours I heard were that he wasn't on 50 quid a week) plus the loan window is STILL open, WAY too early to panic about the wages bill YET.

Putting it simply, if we ARE in a mess because the earners don't go and there is no slack THEN we can always loan out a Surman or Davis with a loan fee and a buy option in January - after all, that's how we got Davies! (and no I HOPE that DOESN'T happen as much as everyone else does!)

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am NOT happy and I think Lowe has played one gamble too many, BUT I also said I would wait and see at the end of September before I start to feel as if the sky is falling or start celebrating a golden age of revolution in World Football.

 

It is TOO early to call, the ONLY thing I do know is that the ONLY people at the moment who CAN make a positive contribution to keeping the squad together are the fans.

We get 22,00+ every game we'll be pretty close to being ok financially, and we can add experience on loan come January.

 

The football against Blackpool on tv was dire but it was a HELL of a lot better than I saw live last year against Charlton & Bury at home, so can't say Saints fans demand good football because they haven't responded yet this year.

At least this year we don't have the same mindless platitudes from Burley/Hone/Crouch beamed at us after every game, at least JP shows he is learning as much as the kids are....

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LOL. Totally and utterly deluded...:rolleyes:

 

resorting to insults again when you cannot coherently continue your argument.

 

Don't think you are a skate, or just on wind up as some say, think it is your poor communication skills that let you down.

 

If you try to think about what you are saying and word it a bit better it will help.

 

For example, rather than appearing to make things up and say Svensson is lying, you could have said that his knee is clearly still not right and you are concerned that he maybe in agony etc. Rather than your usual wording where you have an opinion, or guess and state it as fact.

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The hole is so obvious, and has been stated on here so often, and not only by me, that I am completely astounded that I need to repeat it. But there's no accounting for some people's memory or intellect, so here goes, hopefully for the last time....

 

All this prudent wage bill trimming counts for jack shiiit if the football served up and the results obtained does not attract in the punters to give sufficient attendance. The attendance against Blackpool was 15,000, the first match of the season was only 19,000. There is no way that Lowe has gone to the bank with these figures in the business plan, therefore the club is going to have to find even bigger cuts in the wage bill or sell more players.

 

Only, we cannot get rid of a lot of our high wage earners to anybody, because no-one will pay them the wages they expect for the football they are likely to get in return. In addition, Euell and Thomas appear to be long-term injured, so wont even contribute any football to offset their wages.

 

So, you tell me now how the plan isnt full of holes. Lowe still has as big problems as Crouch had, since at least Crouch had bigger attendances...

 

And guess what ? No-one even needs to have inside info in order to state these issues, because they come under the category of "bleeding obvious"...I can see them from here...

good exampe of what I have just said in the other post. You know nothing.

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Two minor flaws in otherwise sound logic. You added your assumption to something that MAY have happened at a meeting where we don't know the facts. A more reasoned argument would have been to say "I think it is highly unlikely that Lowe used figures as low as 19,000 - because 1) We have no idea what he said and 2) he may have been able to do an excel sheet as well as I can (And I'm krap at them!)

 

1) The earlybird season ticket sales figures were in place when Lowe & Wilde returned, maybe not exact but enough to allow an experienced Finance Director to extrapolate

2) I produced an excel sheet last season tracking the trend line of our attendances since relegation in case it was needed at a meeting I had been asked to attend. The trend line showed two things - 1) there were no significant changes when the Board changed (Lowe out and Execs out) and 2) the probable average gate for this season would likely be in the 18/19,000 range.

 

With regard to the wage earners - bad news about Euell being injured, fully agree that made a dent in the plans but then Davies went for money (and the rumours I heard were that he wasn't on 50 quid a week) plus the loan window is STILL open, WAY too early to panic about the wages bill YET.

Putting it simply, if we ARE in a mess because the earners don't go and there is no slack THEN we can always loan out a Surman or Davis with a loan fee and a buy option in January - after all, that's how we got Davies! (and no I HOPE that DOESN'T happen as much as everyone else does!)

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am NOT happy and I think Lowe has played one gamble too many, BUT I also said I would wait and see at the end of September before I start to feel as if the sky is falling or start celebrating a golden age of revolution in World Football.

 

It is TOO early to call, the ONLY thing I do know is that the ONLY people at the moment who CAN make a positive contribution to keeping the squad together are the fans.

We get 22,00+ every game we'll be pretty close to being ok financially, and we can add experience on loan come January.

 

The football against Blackpool on tv was dire but it was a HELL of a lot better than I saw live last year against Charlton & Bury at home, so can't say Saints fans demand good football because they haven't responded yet this year.

At least this year we don't have the same mindless platitudes from Burley/Hone/Crouch beamed at us after every game, at least JP shows he is learning as much as the kids are....

 

exactly, concerns and worries but we have no facts or detail. How attnednaces will go we will see over the next few weeks, Blackpool is hard one to use -low profile opposition, holiday season, hangover from the dross we saw last year, lunch time kickoff, on tv etc

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Oh so avoiding administration is now seen as an achievement is it? Not that he did anything other than cut costs, which any old miser could do.

 

As I said, have you seen the table?

Totally agree.

I always thought that the most importaint thing was that Saints WON games and tried to get to the top of whatever league they were in.

Lowe is just a jumped up accountant who thinks he can play at being a football manager,something he has proved hes no good at.

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The ONLY thing Ru**rt has done well since his return is that he apparently convinced a few people that he has done a good job. Unbelievable.

 

We are playing with a bunch of no-hopers in the team (although to give them their due, they are trying at least and seem to want to do it for the shirt), with a manager (oops, "coach") who has no experience even at this astronomically high level of the CCC, the stock price is at an historic low, and the attendances are disastrously low. But yet there are those of you who think he has done a good job? I am at a loss to see what is good about it, except for the sales job he seems to have done on you all.

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I don't see why so many people are against Lowe. Fair enough, his decisions are more often than not unpopular with the fans, but he's a good businessman who will run this club well. I feel very secure about the club's finances with him at the helm, and I feel that every decision he makes is for the greater good. Ok, so selling Walcott, Bale etc weren't popular decisions, but they were always going to go eventually and Lowe made sure we got a good price for them, and without their transfer fees we would be in administration right now.

 

And no, i'm not Scooby in disguise.

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Some people are saying we had to sell the players we did and more to cut costs.

 

What I honnestly don't get is why the cuts have to be that drastic and where is all the money is being lost, if it isn't on wages?

 

The accademy and stadium costs are both c£1-2m, so I am lead to believe. Pretty mch all other clubs in this division have to pay some costs towards the accademy and stadium, yet they aren't forced into effectively playing the youth team to stay afloat.

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I don't see why so many people are against Lowe. Fair enough, his decisions are more often than not unpopular with the fans, but he's a good businessman who will run this club well. I feel very secure about the club's finances with him at the helm, and I feel that every decision he makes is for the greater good. Ok, so selling Walcott, Bale etc weren't popular decisions, but they were always going to go eventually and Lowe made sure we got a good price for them, and without their transfer fees we would be in administration right now.

 

And no, i'm not Scooby in disguise.

 

What do you base that "good businessman" statement on? Did you forget the "good business" he did getting us into this mess in the first place?

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I have been pretty unimpressed by Lowe. Our current desperate league position and our dwindling attendances say it all.

 

He has failed to provide a good enough back four to avoid relegation, despite our squad remaining large.

 

Yep. Lowe is as bad as the Everton & Spurs boards combined, makes Ashley look like a visionary and JP is as dreadful as Ferguson at Man U.

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I have been pretty unimpressed by Lowe. Our current desperate league position and our dwindling attendances say it all.

 

He has failed to provide a good enough back four to avoid relegation, despite our squad remaining large.

 

How reactionary can you be! Lets wait before talking about things as if they had already happened. Compare our goals against record now to last season and we have actually improved

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How reactionary can you be! Lets wait before talking about things as if they had already happened. Compare our goals against record now to last season and we have actually improved

 

:rolleyes:

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Intelligent response as always. I see you make no attempt to debate my points. Whats wrong with the defence? They had a terrible game against blackpool but before then I thought they were fine. Cork especially looks excellent. Our main problem is taking our chances.

 

 

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Yep, great start. Hate to see a sh1te one.

 

We've really improved.

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The ONLY thing Ru**rt has done well since his return is that he apparently convinced a few people that he has done a good job. Unbelievable.

 

We are playing with a bunch of no-hopers in the team (although to give them their due, they are trying at least and seem to want to do it for the shirt), with a manager (oops, "coach") who has no experience even at this astronomically high level of the CCC, the stock price is at an historic low, and the attendances are disastrously low. But yet there are those of you who think he has done a good job? I am at a loss to see what is good about it, except for the sales job he seems to have done on you all.

Offix I cant believe you put the comment about no hopers. Wait for a while longer and then make statements like that. Cardiff and Brum home could easily have seen us get points. You can hardly call us no hopers quite yet

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Does someone have the goals against record for this time last year to proove that we conceeded more goals and thus that our defence is currently performing better? Thanks in advance
well we let in 4 in our first game if that is f any help.To be fair Killer was not there then
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