Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 So it was a choice it was not forced upon him. Thanks, that's all I wanted. oh right, that is it..one poster has said what you wanted to hear and it (what ever it is) is set in stone.. wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I will be more than presently surprised when he shows some humility and apologizes for his past mistakes. What has he done exactly thats so good? It is more what he has not done this time around. I couldn't care less about Lowe as long as he stays in the background, makes the odd comment about football (which is his job I believe) and lets the manager get on with his job. So far I have been pleasantly surprised because he has managed to do this rather better than I thought he would. So he hasn't done anything fantastic but I am sitting here feeling a lot happier than I thought I would 4 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 oh right, that is it..one poster has said what you wanted to hear and it (what ever it is) is set in stone.. wow No. I wanted an acknowledgement from nickh (who was the first one on this thread to state that Lowe had no choice) to admit that he did in fact have one. Stop being deliberately argumentative for the sake of it DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Very very dull. Where's my stanley knife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 No. I wanted an acknowledgement from nickh (who was the first one on this thread to state that Lowe had no choice) to admit that he did in fact have one. Stop being deliberately argumentative for the sake of it DD. im not being arguementative....the fact you wanted an acknowledgement from nick but started a thread on it says YOU may be the one doing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 We've lost 3 out of 4 league games,and by Sunday we could be bottom of the league. We've sold by far and away our best signing in recent years, for hardly any profit. Nobody knows the true picture of the finances, including what Lowe and Cowan are being paid. Our attendances are falling to embaressing levels, and yet people are "pretty impressed" with Lowe so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I've hardly noticed him, which is exactly how it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Not impressed just glad he isn't pushing his smug face across the media. I wonder if the media will focus on him tomorrow? After all everyone knows The Academy was Rupert's idea, and it produced Theo. I think the biggest problem with Mr Lowe was the fact he wanted to be the figurehead for SFC, and wanted the celebrity status that went with. Well it back fired last time, and he's obviously been TOLD not to try to be Mr Southampton this time around. I have been acused of being a member of the lunatic fringe by many. I still believe he is not good for the football club. It's only my opinion - but as long as I don't have to see or hear about him in the media, I'm happy. The only people who I want to hear giving interviews are the people who do their jobs on the pitch. I'd like to hear more from the Manager, and some of the players. I would really like for one of them to be the type of interviewee like Mr Channon. He said what he wanted to say on the pitch, and then spoke HIS mind when he was interviewed. Football needs personalities - but football doesn't need Lowe. I do not know Mr Lowe so I cannot comment on whether he has a personality or not. However to call the fans of a football club customers (or the lunatic fringe) shows me he obviously has opinons and issues on class - but as for a personality? I try never to judge people I do not know, but equally I do make judgements based on what I see and hear. First impressions are usually right - and it hasn't let me down thus far. I'm not working class - nor a member of high society. However I have one thing in common with everyone on here - I love Southampton Football Club. It is a family - but Mr Lowe is not part of the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 im not being arguementative....the fact you wanted an acknowledgement from nick but started a thread on it says YOU may be the one doing it... The thread was not started with the intention of talking about that issue. It doesn't matter anymore. Just leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 We've lost 3 out of 4 league games,and by Sunday we could be bottom of the league. We've sold by far and away our best signing in recent years, for hardly any profit. Nobody knows the true picture of the finances, including what Lowe and Cowan are being paid. Our attendances are falling to embaressing levels, and yet people are "pretty impressed" with Lowe so far? How many games have you been to this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Not impressed just glad he isn't pushing his smug face across the media. I wonder if the media will focus on him tomorrow? After all everyone knows The Academy was Rupert's idea, and it produced Theo. I think the biggest problem with Mr Lowe was the fact he wanted to be the figurehead for SFC, and wanted the celebrity status that went with. Well it back fired last time, and he's obviously been TOLD not to try to be Mr Southampton this time around. I have been acused of being a member of the lunatic fringe by many. I still believe he is not good for the football club. It's only my opinion - but as long as I don't have to see or hear about him in the media, I'm happy. The only people who I want to hear giving interviews are the people who do their jobs on the pitch. I'd like to hear more from the Manager, and some of the players. I would really like for one of them to be the type of interviewee like Mr Channon. He said what he wanted to say on the pitch, and then spoke HIS mind when he was interviewed. Football needs personalities - but football doesn't need Lowe. I do not know Mr Lowe so I cannot comment on whether he has a personality or not. However to call the fans of a football club customers (or the lunatic fringe) shows me he obviously has opinons and issues on class - but as for a personality? I try never to judge people I do not know, but equally I do make judgements based on what I see and hear. First impressions are usually right - and it hasn't let me down thus far. I'm not working class - nor a member of high society. However I have one thing in common with everyone on here - I love Southampton Football Club. It is a family - but Mr Lowe is not part of the family. But how do you think he's doing so far? Better or worse than you expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Pearson did very well to keep us up with the clueless bunch he inheritted. Why can't you acknowledge that?! You struggle to give him credit for his great start at Leicester. Strange view point. You say he has the better squad in the 1st division but the same could be said 4 Saints post Premiership relegation (when we floated just above the bottom) with Burley & look where Burley's demotivational & disasterous tenure got us!!! Tell you what, since you're a keen advocate for this 'we're broke/selling' policy. Let's wait until Jan, see what clubs want our only promising youth potentials, then play the stewards, pay 'em a tiny wage to cut costs..it's getting that way (in our defence alone)...forget about the competency & competition of the squad!! Makes sense to some eh?! Whether you like it or not , when GB left we were well clear of the relegation scrap, G&D took us closer but we were still not anywhere near the bottom 3.It was under NP's tenure that we went bottom 3. He was in charge when we had gimme games away to Cardiff when they were going nowhere and thinking of the cup final and Burnley home.Getting points in either game would have made us easily safe. We then got a hard worked draw at WBA (some would say fortunate, but thats football) and then beat Sheff utd last day of the season in a great game. Skin of the teeth, and I did like NP but do not go all weak at the knees thinking about him. As for Leicester look at their squad, a lot of their players would make most teams in the CCC, and they should never have gone down, but like our primma donnas in our relegation season they thought they were too good to do so. At present Leicester look cets to go up,but it is a long season and Np should get them up.Had he been at any other club Id be rooting for him, but to have MM's smug face coming to SMS makes my blood turn to ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 So it was a choice it was not forced upon him. Thanks, that's all I wanted.He had a decision like his predecessor to do nothing and meakly go into administration,or take the bull by the horns and go the present way.Nobody has come forward with a credible plan other than RL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 He's done better so far that I expected, but I had very low expectations. This season could easily turn into a horror show, I can't help feeling the manager and youngsters are in a honeymoon period, running on adrenalin/enthusiasm alone. Most of our players have played out of their skin so far yet we could be bottom tonight - that's the worrying thing. I am very often wrong tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 No. I wanted an acknowledgement from nickh (who was the first one on this thread to state that Lowe had no choice) to admit that he did in fact have one. Stop being deliberately argumentative for the sake of it DD. Can you tell us what choice he had? Im lost to know in the situation where else he could go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 He had a decision like his predecessor to do nothing and meakly go into administration,or take the bull by the horns and go the present way.Nobody has come forward with a credible plan other than RL's. OK. Keep telling yourself that it was the only option. It's not true but I'm tired of talking about it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 How many games have you been to this season? I've been to 3 and I haven't seen Lowe playing in any of them, therefore can't quite see the relevance of your question. Perhaps you could answer one of mine. Under Lowe's "revolutionary structure" have we lost 3 out of 4 league games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I've been to 3 and I haven't seen Lowe playing in any of them, therefore can't quite see the relevance of your question. Perhaps you could answer one of mine. Under Lowe's "revolutionary structure" have we lost 3 out of 4 league games? I refer you to post number 6 in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 He had a decision like his predecessor to do nothing and meakly go into administration,or take the bull by the horns and go the present way.Nobody has come forward with a credible plan other than RL's. He could have taken the bull by the horns and kept Pearson or hired a manager with experience of the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Can you tell us what choice he had? Im lost to know in the situation where else he could go. I've already pointed out his alternatives earlier in the thread. I don't want to talk about it anymore as it's getting boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 He could have taken the bull by the horns and kept Pearson or hired a manager with experience of the Championship. Or even hired a promising english lower league manager. It may not have worked but it IS an alternative which was my whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 He could have taken the bull by the horns and kept Pearson or hired a manager with experience of the Championship.Yes that is true, he could have sacked all the staff and taken the training himself. There always is other ways, but I meant credible ways to keep the club afloat as well as providing the chance to get out of the mess.Going the old way was only going to put off the inevitable. Time will tell if this is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Or even hired a promising english lower league manager. It may not have worked but it IS an alternative which was my whole point.In that sense you are correct Hypo but apart from the managers being different do you think on the playing staff side it could have been any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I've already stated that I would rather be relegated enjoying the performances we have had this season than go through all of last season and feel like I've just wasted a season ticket. I remember when we were relegated, certain people were saying how we would enjoy the CCC as we would win more games and had a chance of winning it. I'm sorry,but in my opinion results are everything. If we kick off next season against Hereford or Hartlepool at SMS in front of 11,000, I wont be thinking about the great football we played this season......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 In that sense you are correct Hypo but apart from the managers being different do you think on the playing staff side it could have been any better? Who knows. Essentially there are two ways, get a load of journeymen and bully your way up or try and play football to earn your success. It would be interesting to see how Pearson would have fared had he adopted the second policy. I like the direction we have taken, but that isn't to say that there weren't other, perhaps more successful avenues available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I remember when we were relegated, certain people were saying how we would enjoy the CCC as we would win more games and had a chance of winning it. I'm sorry,but in my opinion results are everything. If we kick off next season against Hereford or Hartlepool at SMS in front of 11,000, I wont be thinking about the great football we played this season......... Fair enough but that's where we disagree then. I would hate Southampton to become what Chelsea have and for me, the win away at Derby meant more than any of the wins from the previous season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Yes that is true, he could have sacked all the staff and taken the training himself. There always is other ways, but I meant credible ways to keep the club afloat as well as providing the chance to get out of the mess.Going the old way was only going to put off the inevitable. Time will tell if this is better. I'm not desputing the fact that we needed to make cut-backs and blood alot of kids, we would have had to have done that regardless of who was in charge. It's the whole experimental system and Dutch total football thing where we had plenty of choices over. It's too early to say if it will be a success or not but I am concerned. Will we improve or will the honeymoon wear off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 It's early days. We could be bottom before the day is out. Judge him after another 6-7 games. Exactly right. Why is it that some seem to feel an obsession with making snap judgments on our situation after just a few matches and some even after each successive match? Christmas is the time that a reasoned judgement might be made; until then, the situation could change week by week either way. Although I long for the day that Lowe departs this club for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Exactly right. Why is it that some seem to feel an obsession with making snap judgments on our situation after just a few matches and some even after each successive match? Christmas is the time that a reasoned judgement might be made; until then, the situation could change week by week either way. Although I long for the day that Lowe departs this club for good. because many have paid £5 to do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Fair enough but that's where we disagree then. I would hate Southampton to become what Chelsea have and for me, the win away at Derby meant more than any of the wins from the previous season. of course it did.... give me an away win in the prem any day....why do we have to become what chelsea have.. Hull are winning right now and they have not blown £200m for the pleasure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 of course it did.... give me an away win in the prem any day....why do we have to become what chelsea have.. Hull are winning right now and they have not blown £200m for the pleasure... I was responding to the original poster who said that it is all about results for him. I would rather lose with the current saints team than win the premiership with ten billion and millions of players who don't give a crap. I might be idiotic but that's just me. Of course I want saints to win every week, but it's more than results to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Two thoughts from me: Firstly, I think this thread is as premature as NickG's thread cooing after winning at Derby and others slashing their wrists after losing to Brum and Cardiff. Mid season, if not the whole season is when we should be saying whether someone is doing a good job or not and ultimately this is a results driven business. As I write this we have 3 points from a possible 12 and are currently in the relegation zone (albeit with games still being played and having a game in hand), so I think its a little too early to be being overly joyful (and also for being too pessimistic). If Lowe keeps his arrogant and condescending rants out of the media then that will only be a minor plus point if overall we are failing and are scratching around the relegation zone come next May. Secondly, the route we have taken is one chosen by Lowe. Whilst finances certainly ruled out a number of avenues (i.e. appointing Keegan and giving him a massive transfer budget), there were an infinte number of strategies to employ, whilst still sticking to the bank's (and other creditors) wishes. A simple alternative would have been to keep Pearson, another could have been to give Wigley a second chance, promote Hockady & Henderson to the first team, sell Surman, Lallana, Dyer and any other youngster and invest in some old cloggers who know this division, etc etc etc. This is conscious decision to go with the "revolutionary new coaching structure" and one that Lowe will be judged on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I was responding to the original poster who said that it is all about results for him. I would rather lose with the current saints team than win the premiership with ten billion and millions of players who don't give a crap. I might be idiotic but that's just me. of course it is all about results...why would people be so ****ssed off with lowe and pished about relegation if it was not about results... but why does it have to be one or the other as you mention.. personally, i would love to see saints win the premiership in my lifetime regardless how they do it......I guess I must be mental to think such a thing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Two thoughts from me: Firstly, I think this thread is as premature as NickG's thread cooing after winning at Derby and others slashing their wrists after losing to Brum and Cardiff. Mid season, if not the whole season is when we should be saying whether someone is doing a good job or not and ultimately this is a results driven business. As I write this we have 3 points from a possible 12 and are currently in the relegation zone (albeit with games still being played and having a game in hand), so I think its a little too early to be being overly joyful (and also for being too pessimistic). If Lowe keeps his arrogant and condescending rants out of the media then that will only be a minor plus point if overall we are failing and are scratching around the relegation zone come next May. It wasn't premature because my thread title was I have been impressed with Lowe. That doesn't mean that I will be in six months time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I agree with the OP, in as much as Lowe certainly seems to have learned a few lessons on the PR front at least. You also have to admire his gumption, whether right or wrong, in sticking with his Dutch vision. I think a few points relating to what has been said that are worth remembering are: 1. Lowe (and Wilde) made a deliberate choice to come back. There was no power vacuum that needed to be filled in the way there was when Hone and Dulieu buggered off. Whether we were up the creek or not, the fact is that Lowe and Wilde said "we can do this better than Crouch and Hoos"... now obviously it's impossible to say what Crouch and Hoos would have done (although they were clearly happy to continue) but I don't think it's right to say that Lowe is impervious from criticism because of the financials. He stuck his head (if not his wallet) willingly above the parapet. 2. "NP was OK, but if he gets Leciester up, y'know... that's what they should achieve anyway." This is something that can be heard quite often from people who were quite partial to Burley. All I will say is that getting Leciester up this year will IMO be a much bigger achievement than Burley getting us up in the play-off year would've been. 3. Still don't trust Wilde or Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 of course it is all about results...why would people be so ****ssed off with lowe and pished about relegation if it was not about results... but why does it have to be one or the other as you mention.. personally, i would love to see saints win the premiership in my lifetime regardless how they do it......I guess I must be mental to think such a thing.. Not at all, I just think differently. I hope you can respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I thought I'd just get in early with my assessment of young Pulis' prowess as a player. I apologise for making snap judgments; I take back everything that I said about him. He is a fantastic player and we have done incredibly well to sign him when others had not realised his potential. That took great foresight on JP's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I tell you what WES...lets shut this place down as it is clearly WAY TOO early to talk about anything at this stage of the season... maybe SWF should not be open until around holloween as then we would have played suffcient games to make an assumption and stick to it... jesus.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I thought I'd just get in early with my assessment of young Pulis' prowess as a player. I apologise for making snap judgments; I take back everything that I said about him. He is a fantastic player and we have done incredibly well to sign him when others had not realised his potential. That took great foresight on JP's part. What is wrong with making an assessment throughout the season rather than at set times? Is it not possible to say that Lowe has done well up until now and then assess it later on as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 give me an away win in the prem any day.... If Lowe hadn't of totally lost the plot then maybe we would have still been in the position to achieve just that. However, due to his, and subsequent mismanagement by the current football chairman that isn't going to happen for a very long time. I'm sure the Premier League obsessives will still bleat on about it whilst ignoring, ostrich style, the reasons we find ourselves where we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 If Lowe hadn't of totally lost the plot then maybe we would have still been in the position to achieve just that. However, due to his, and subsequent mismanagement by the current football chairman that isn't going to happen for a very long time. I'm sure the Premier League obsessives will still bleat on about it whilst ignoring, ostrich style, the reasons we find ourselves where we do. Lets not rake over old ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Lets not rake over old ground. The post count on this site would collapse to single figures if we didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 The post count on this site would collapse to single figures if we didn't But it's been debated thousands of times and this thread was really started to focus on Lowe and his decisions since his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 But it's been debated thousands of times and this thread was really started to focus on Lowe and his decisions since his return. Whoopppee fooooooking doo dah day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed. So while i think Lowe has done some good things i think maybe appointing an unknown manager (again) could come back to haunt him in may (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Where's my stanley knife?I wish I Knew where it was as Id hand it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Well what does everyone else think? Since he came back, I fully expected the worst. His plan seemingly made no sense and his choice of manager was very odd. I sat back and waited for Lowe to take centre stage again, issuing pathetic statements and patronising OS comments. We have had a few to be honest but then we also had similar things under Crouch and Wilde. Just recently Rupes has taken a back seat. I haven't heard much from him other than football related comments. After the bible passages and cringeworthy quotes of his old regime, I have thus far been pleasantly surprised. It seems that he has learnt some lessons at the very least. That can only be a good thing for our club. You pr*ck! It's called bending with the wind. No such fool as one who wants to be fooled. Don't blame us when it all ends in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 You pr*ck! It's called bending with the wind. No such fool as one who wants to be fooled. Don't blame us when it all ends in tears. Lovely. And then you wonder why people are getting sick of this place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Whilst finances certainly ruled out a number of avenues (i.e. appointing Keegan and giving him a massive transfer budget), there were an infinte number of strategies to employ, whilst still sticking to the bank's (and other creditors) wishes. A simple alternative would have been to keep Pearson, another could have been to give Wigley a second chance, promote Hockady & Henderson to the first team, sell Surman, Lallana, Dyer and any other youngster and invest in some old cloggers who know this division, etc etc etc. .UmP you often give us your financial opinions when others have put their thoughts up on here .How about instead of KK and massive transfer budgets, give us a proper alternative. In all seriousness the Wigley Hockaday thing was a non starter and do you not think that Dyer, Surman and Lallana were not for sale , but no realistic offers came in.Therefore that route was not open. In reality is the present way the most sensible , if not give us a well thought out alternative that would deal with massive weekly losses as well as putting out a competitive team.Taking into account that players coming in apart from completely free agents would cost the club serious money up front. I cant see a real alternative but would be interested in any clever plan. I agree the manager could be one of many but it is getting a squad together in these conditions I can't see a way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Lovely. And then you wonder why people are getting sick of this placeHypo take no notice, it was a valid thread and so no reason for you to get abuse.We might not agree on it all but keep the thoughts going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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