Elmore Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Did you watch the game? Yeah - did you? Fair play to Brighton - they fully deserved their 1-3 win. We could have played another 90 minutes and still wouldn't have scored against them unless we got a lucky penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Utter sh*te from Saints. Brighton got their tactics right and have a good 'keeper - that was enough for them to beat us at home. As a team Brighton defended against us with ease all match. Pretty shocking to be honest. Did you watch the game? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 The whole 4-4-2 vs 4-5-1 discussion is redundant if: We make naive mistakes at the back Our middle-two are both slow and ponderous We sacrifice our width far too early by cutting inside We end well-constructed attacks with crosses from deep that often don't even beat the first defender What concerns me is that a lot of Div 1 managers watched what happens when a team takes it to us, and especially to the middle two at the back. We desperately need Murty back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 very poor defensively, obviously poor in terms of management/tactics/preventing us from having a superiority complex, but hey - you have to give credit. They. Deserved. To. Win. Gotta agree with you on that one. Very inept performance by all today. Brighton were always going to be up for this one with Poyet going in 3 days before the game. Lets just hope this was a bad day at the office. People were spouting off we should not fear anyone - is that the overconfidence? or should it actually be we should fear that evryone we play will up their game when playing us? What a craaaaap weekend :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Fed up with seeing Scheiderlin poncing about in front of the back 4, it's like playing with 5 at the back. Agree. He was V poor IMO. As were most of the team to be honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We were crap mate. Granted we missed some chances but we need to play better than this with the ball and our defending was pants. Brighton did what most away teams at SMS will try to do. I watched another game then because we wern't crap. Crap we were in the Championship, today i thought we battled and never gave up. Sorry i dont agree with most of the posters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Well what can you say to that, defensively we haven't got it right James is no right back, & Trotman & Jaidi you would think they'd never played together before. Think we turned up believing the hype that all we had to do was turn up. Also missed a hat full of clear cut chances. Their Keeper made a few great saves as well. just a dissapointing day all round, and at least 2 games now to get out of the relegation zone. They also forgot to play football & got dragged into playing long ball. This is a real kick up the backside, and a wake up call to AP and the players. While I think they were all poor, would have to say (again) that James had as good a game as Harding and far better than the centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 SERIOUS questions needed after today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Credit to Brighton, they played well and deserved it. Saints were below par all over the pitch. Just one more observation; why so many long looping crosses from deep. They just don't work. Try playing through midfield. We do have some quality there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Sorry can't be positive , nothing to be positive about. Very poor performance with a total lack of attacking ideas against one of the worst defences in the league. Defence cannot keep a clean sheet against any team. Back to the drawing board. Play offs - you must be joking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 All the angst here, please. If anyone can be positive I'd appreciate it, thanks. As a neutral a crackin game to watch, B n H won this by making sure they won all the 50-50 balls, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 SERIOUS questions needed after today No they dont, we lost one game in a good winning form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Completely pedestrian in defence and lazy on the ball. We usually have enough touches of quality to win playing like that but this has been a lesson that we need to improve our patterns of play if we're going to make the play-offs! (We aren't going to make the play-offs). I have NEVER seen so many deep predictable crosses in any game. It was obviously our tactic which we didn't change. We would be there at Christmas and still not score with that sort of play!!! Papa looked lively. We MUST get the ball on the deck more. Brighton played more football and deserved the victory on the day. I'm afraid to say Davies has to look at himself too. Too many shots going in the net from outside the box towards the centre of the goal ! The third in particular was not a special shot....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 SERIOUS questions needed after today And what what would they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 While I think they were all poor, would have to say (again) that James had as good a game as Harding and far better than the centre backs. Agreed. Anyone who thinks James was a problem today is pretty clueless IMO. Sure, he got outpaced for the third goal but players get outpaced sometimes. That's life. He was probably a bit tired from being the only attacking threat on the pitch as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 As a neutral a crackin game to watch, B n H won this by making sure they won all the 50-50 balls, Indeed. Earlier in the season when we played 4-5-1, we controlled every game. But too many complained it was 'defensive' (even though we scored 15 goals in five games)... 4-5-1 would have made a big difference today, in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 The only posotive i gain from all these negative posts is that Saints have come a long way, and the expectation levels have realy risen. We played well today, any one remember last season?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 My wife says "It's only a game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 It was cross-cross-cross-cross all evening. If there's no-one on the end or no-one who can get it on target to test the keeper, then change it up. What happened to the free-flowing, passing footy of Wednesday night? And at the back, we were too slow and out of position too many times. Perhaps we'd identfied that as a weakness in their game, trouble is Poyet probably changed it around in a few days, he's a pretty forceful character-or so I've heard.I was once told you don't want to be on the receiving end of a bollicking from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Suicide defending and we didn't take the chances we had. Lets hope Pardew gives the lads a talking to and we come out stronger on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acersaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We had most of the possession 59/41%. Lambert was of the boil. Their keeper had a great game. Its one loss after a good run. Trotman weak today not the end of the world it's football you can't win every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 While I think they were all poor, would have to say (again) that James had as good a game as Harding and far better than the centre backs. yes I agree - he was one of our better players I thoguht and put in one or two first-rate crosses that should have resulted in goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 As a neutral a crackin game to watch, B n H won this by making sure they won all the 50-50 balls, Yes said that during the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 My wife says "It's only a game" yep, you sometimes wish they'd keep their smart-ass reflections to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 The only posotive i gain from all these negative posts is that Saints have come a long way, and the expectation levels have realy risen. We played well today, any one remember last season?? No, we played very very poorly. I am still positive, and I am relaxed about one shocker in the scheme of things but do not confuse myriad hopeful balls into their box with good play. Normally we are first to the ball, confident on the ball, decisive with our passing, mix up our play, use our width and work hard. We did not do that today and we paid the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 My wife says "It's only a game" Mine used to say that, too. "I don't know why you get so angry, it's only a game." That's why I bought her golf clubs a couple of Christmases ago. She's never said it since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Worth remembering that we used to be that team who would beat the big teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We lost it in the first 30 minutes...bright start but then let Brighton dictate the pace and flow of the game. Trotman and Jaidi just had one of those games. They have been very good for most of the season so I am not going to write them off after one bad performance. Morgan wasn't good, gave the ball away too much and was caught out of position too often. Lallana had an ok game, as did Connelly and Antonio, although I would have liked to have seen him switch to the left occasionally and test the other fullback. It was obvious early on that Lambert wasn't fit/well...I believe he has had an illness and Pards didn't want him on too long, obviously due to the fact we needed a goal he was kept on. I honestly believe this was a blip. We played some good football at times, the better side won it because they took their chances - We had enough chances to equalise and probably win it. The BHA Goalkeeper was excellent, despite his time wasting, but we would have done the same... I know it is disappointing guys but we have got another big game next weekend and then a run of 3 or 4 games against weak opposition. Don't underestimate the impact Poyet had on BHA, they looked organised and played some nice football, all their goals were very good and as I said before it was one of those games. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 That wasn't the Brighton I expected to turn up. They were better than us in all departments and we simply lost to the better team. Well done to Brighton you deserved your win,you made the 'best team in the league' look ordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leithsaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Saints seem to be missing a playmaker in the middle. Cannot believe how little lambet seemed to get the ball. Antonio worked his socks off. Shame the defence seemed to get opened up pretty easily for the goals. Apart from waigo, what attacking options do we have to come off the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 That wasn't the Brighton I expected to turn up. They were better than us in all departments and we simply lost to the better team. Well done to Brighton you deserved your win,you made the 'best team in the league' look ordinary. Definitely the 'new manager' effect. Gotta say that all 3 of their goals were very good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 I said this all last season & I'll definitely say it again today............. Morgan is too lazy to play in 4-4-2 He's much better when he's got two other central midfielders like Hammond and Wotton working hard to break up play In a 4-4-2 he leaves the central defenders too exposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 And what what would they be? Q1: Why are we still in 22nd place (after 16 games) Q2: Why have we lost to Brighton (who have won just one in the last 10) Q3: Why have we dropped so many points at home this season Q4: What is plan 'B' now that we start games with Antonio and Conolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 That game was an example of why we won't go up this season. We need to roll our sleeves up against teams like this and Leyton Orient and get stuck in,instead we were totally complacent. Too many fans with their 4-1 and 5-0 win predictions need to take a step back and be realistic. Fair play to Brighton today,totally deserved the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 That wasn't the Brighton I expected to turn up. They were better than us in all departments and we simply lost to the better team. Well done to Brighton you deserved your win,you made the 'best team in the league' look ordinary. Yep, have to agree with you lordswoodsaints. Our defence was all at sea today and they were better in nearly every tackle and header. Our middle two had a real poor day at the office. Someone wrote that the BH keeper had a great game, I don't think he had a serious save to make all match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Complacency is probably the major factor today.........and it was bound to come after the recent run.........Saints are still a good side but had an off day at the office today.......they will bounce back against Norwich..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Agreed. Anyone who thinks James was a problem today is pretty clueless IMO. Sure, he got outpaced for the third goal but players get outpaced sometimes. That's life. He was probably a bit tired from being the only attacking threat on the pitch as well. Not having a go at James attacking ability and overall contribution today & he was one of the better players, But he is defensively lacking, & my comment was simply he is no right back, after all that is the main reason you play at right back, your defensive capabilities. This is one of the reason's we are defensively lacking, its now 12 games since we kept a clean sheet. That worries me & must be worrying AP. Are you telling me your happy with our defence at the moment. This is only a blip & fully expect us to go on another good run now but we need to tighten up the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 I said this all last season & I'll definitely say it again today............. Morgan is too lazy to play in 4-4-2 He's much better when he's got two other central midfielders like Hammond and Wotton working hard to break up play In a 4-4-2 he leaves the central defenders too exposed 100% agree. He was out of position many times and is far too Show Boat Harry. Very innefective performance. We are leaking too many goals - 451 with a change later in the game to 442 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We lost it in the first 30 minutes...bright start but then let Brighton dictate the pace and flow of the game. Trotman and Jaidi just had one of those games. They have been very good for most of the season so I am not going to write them off after one bad performance. Morgan wasn't good, gave the ball away too much and was caught out of position too often. Lallana had an ok game, as did Connelly and Antonio, although I would have liked to have seen him switch to the left occasionally and test the other fullback. It was obvious early on that Lambert wasn't fit/well...I believe he has had an illness and Pards didn't want him on too long, obviously due to the fact we needed a goal he was kept on. I honestly believe this was a blip. We played some good football at times, the better side won it because they took their chances - We had enough chances to equalise and probably win it. The BHA Goalkeeper was excellent, despite his time wasting, but we would have done the same... I know it is disappointing guys but we have got another big game next weekend and then a run of 3 or 4 games against weak opposition. Don't underestimate the impact Poyet had on BHA, they looked organised and played some nice football, all their goals were very good and as I said before it was one of those games. COYR Aaah at last , reason. Nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 I dont even know where to start with how bad we were today.. 1, it was like watching the old saints again, under the dutch last year 2, pardew failed to make the right decisions at the right times, waigo should of been on much sooner, and arguably in a more central role, he was non existent on the wing where antonio had already been shut out of the game, the whole game we lacked anyone running at them and this lead to frustrating long ball football 3, at what point did we become a long ball team? the football we have been playing of late has been a healthy mixture of some long balls and a lot of passing and moving, even hitting the by line, but today we were solidly long ball, and it was never EVER going to work .. 4, the long ball football basically meant we were playing with one striker the whole game, as if connolly can head the ball, he's too short, he was beaten to everything in the air, by just constantly lobbing balls at their centre backs, we were never going to acheive anything .. 5, there was absolutely nobody who had a GOOD game, some people had an average game (e.g llana, lambert, antonio at spells) but mostly the team was DIRE 6, our back four looked like they were tired, and not up for it, and expecting a routine match ...after all the stuff harding has been spouting in the press about us being up for it etc, he looked very lack lustre in the first half (slightly better in second) generally speaking, what a load of cr*p, but hopefully pardew will make the right decisions, say the right things, pick us up, and move us on, because if we play like that against norwich, we are in MAJOR. p.s also thought the officiating was very slow today, the time wasting from brighton was not acceptable and the ref was being made a mug of by their goalie, he should of reprimanded him after the first few offences. that is all, off to pub to drown sorrows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Still, it will give our resident "chuffed we lost so I can make myself look big by saying how I've been saying we're cr@p" posters some happiness in their pathetic lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We dominated the game in terms of possession, but had no answer to brightons effort and grit - they were outstanding. They defended for their lives and fought for everything, well deserved winners IMO. Their CB won every single ball in the air, rickie struggled to get into the game at all. I wasn't surprised at Brightons attacking performance, they have been scoring goals all season - people speaking prior to the game about 4-0 wins etc are a little bit caught up in the run we've been on, they are a good side who i believe are in a false position. They spent over £1m in the summer and were expected to be pushing for promotion this year. Trotman had a shocker for us though, he's been a rock for us this season, but he lost us that game today in the first 30mins. He's still young and he'll learn from it, but he just wasn't with it at all. A really odd display from him. I don't think we should be saying stuff like ''serious questions need to be asked!!'' or go too OTT though - we were always going to loose a game again. The test will be to see how we respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Still, it will give our resident "chuffed we lost so I can make myself look big by saying how I've been saying we're cr@p" posters some happiness in their pathetic lives. Why cant you accept that we simply find the nature of this defeat to a team of that stature completely unacceptable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Liked AP's honesty in the post-match interview - no hiding, just weren't up to it today, and it'll give them the "kick" they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Brighton were up for it and we wern't. Hammond missing that sitter was the 'turning point'. Had he put it in, I would of expected us to go on and win it. Defence were asleep for the first half an hour, with player out of position. I think we will see a completely different performance against Norwich and I think we will win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 No it isn't. There is absolutely zero chance of us being relegated. Zero chance. It's whether or not we make the play offs, and to be honest it's a long old slog but still possible. Umm... not sure being 4 points off safety gives us "zero chance". Look, I don't think we'll go down either, but I think we have to take one target at a time (as I'm sure AP does) - get out of the relegation places and comfortable, then see what is achieveable. Any other way of thinking and we could end up with more results like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Seriously someone tell me that there is no Sky curse or new manager effect against the Saints in the league? Someone? Brighton had a plan and they stuck to it. They caught us out at the back napping and we couldn't get back into even though we had most of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 That is probably the kick in the pants we needed to keep our feet on the ground. I suppose at the end of the day New Manager and being on Sky syndrome in one game was too potent a force today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damers Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 We lost it today in the first 20 mins, you can't give teams 2 goal leads and expect to win games. From where I was there was no midfield we were pushing forward and leaving so much space in tha middle of the park early on and I think that cost us. Maybe just maybe 451 works better for us to start as we are then geared to be more patient?? Anyway this can only be a blip as we have too many good players to let it continue. Bring on Norwich. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammoncheeks Posted 15 November, 2009 Share Posted 15 November, 2009 Agree. He was V poor IMO. As were most of the team to be honest! Been saying that all season . Technicaly gifted player but to slow and lightweight to protect our back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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