saintjay77 Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 What I would like to know though is why the hell has MLT not been arrested and flogged in the square for this outragous act of cheatism! I demand Answers dam it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2009 I wasnt trying to have a pop bud. I found it fasinating but thought it was funny that I found the questions funny without knowing the answers. lol. If I get the chance to have an evening with MLT I will certainly be taking the opertunity. Was never taken as a pop my friend :-) To just close the "follow-on" part off, the sad news is that Matt obviously doesn't have enough pull down here, he was on the reserve list for the Pro-Am today but they never got as far as him as only a couple of people pulled out. He was probably lucky, he could have ended up playing alongside the CEO (or President) of LG Electronics. His poor Caddy had to walk around all day in some fearsome heat wearing the Gentleman's name on his bib - Wan Kim Maybe I'll try and find out how to get into imageshack to post it when I do the DWC story on General Sports, IF I can find a way around our Proxy down here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Oh, but don't worry 19C I can get Matt's mob number, so the offer still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Nineteen I can see why people are getting mighty ****ed off with you "If the CPS decided that there was 'not a case to answer' and completely exonerate MLT " You are really being stupid in persuing this matter. Clearly you have a problem with Matt. can you just let it go. Instead concentrate your crusade on real criminals who have got away with murder in the past How about trying to get Martin McGuniess charged with multiple accounts of murder . I think you would probsbly get a lot of support for that crusade. Oh you come across as holier than thou but I bet you have more than a few skeletons in your cupboard? you do not want revealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Nineteen I can see why people are getting mighty ****ed off with you "If the CPS decided that there was 'not a case to answer' and completely exonerate MLT " You are really being stupid in persuing this matter. Clearly you have a problem with Matt. can you just let it go. Instead concentrate your crusade on real criminals who have got away with murder in the past How about trying to get Martin McGuniess charged with multiple accounts of murder . I think you would probsbly get a lot of support for that crusade. Oh you come across as holier than thou but I bet you have more than a few skeletons in your cupboard? you do not want revealing I think what 19C was saying is that he was not exonerated. The CPS decided that it was not in the public interest being costly and time consuming. I do not want to get into this argument but it is only fair the correct outcome is recorded, or at least the Echo's version http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/district/southampton/4642320.Le_Tissier_will_not_face_charges_over_Saints_betting_scam/ And the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8269028.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 The forum rules might aswell be deleted, they state 'no trolling' why admin allow the loon to troll constantly is a mystery, glad i never paid a fiver . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 I think what 19C was saying is that he was not exonerated. The CPS decided that it was not in the public interest being costly and time consuming. I do not want to get into this argument but it is only fair the correct outcome is recorded, or at least the Echo's version http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/district/southampton/4642320.Le_Tissier_will_not_face_charges_over_Saints_betting_scam/ I think that generally people are extremely tired of the same argument being brought up again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 I think that generally people are extremely tired of the same argument being brought up again and again.Agree but it is right to correct an error is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Delia cheats at cookery? I'm devastated, as I've hero worshipped her ever since I was a young lad. And those programmes peeking into her private life showing her praying in her local church; what hypocrisy! I am indebted to you for drawing this to my attention, Nineteen, but almost wish that you hadn't as it so tarnishes her in my eyes and the disappointment you have caused me is palpable. All of her past good cookery programmes are compromised and I will have to overlook them in light of this damning evidence that you have brought to my attention. I will not rest until I have extracted an explanation from her. She has a duty to all those who idolise her. In the meantime, Nineteen, is there any background to your allegations that you can give me? Were the CPS going to prosecute her? Has it ruined her life and upset her family and friends? In retrospect, it was a bad ploy to sell a few measly books when the price she has paid is the loss of her saintly reputation. I expect that Nigella is laughing like a drain - she wouldn't stoop to those depths. What? She has also cheated with her cookery? Stop it! I just can't bear it any longer. Next you'll be trying to tarnish my memories of my footballing idols. :D Beautiful. SMS is going to be knee deep in reporters when this news breaks to the Red Tops It's going to be like Bruce Grobbeler's first match at The Dell after the allegations started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 The forum rules might aswell be deleted, they state 'no trolling' why admin allow the loon to troll constantly is a mystery, glad i never paid a fiver . So you are glad you didn't contribute financially to the site but want to have a say in the way it is administered ? clearly, strange thinking is not exclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2009 :D Beautiful. SMS is going to be knee deep in reporters when this news breaks to the Red Tops It's going to be like Bruce Grobbeler's first match at The Dell after the allegations started. lol all the Journos are down here giving me grief this weekend, won't be any left back there but maybe I could start the seeds of that rumour I see you found your way out the mighty beast then, a VIP tour of a Test Bed A380 with nothing inside you ole schmoozer. Can you really play football inside it? and is it true that the only reason it's here in Dubai is because it's the only thing capable of carrying Matty back after all the food he's been eating down here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Agree but it is right to correct an error is it not? Well yes, as long as it's done without the rest of the rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Agree but it is right to correct an error is it not? It would be, if that were what 19C had been doing. In actual fact, he was merely voicing his own opinion, which appears to be that MLT had committed some offence, but the CPS had deemed it not worthy of pursuing. This is the wording from the BBC piece which you posted a link to: "Police said discussions with the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) concluded an investigation would not be in the public interest." Note that the thing deemed to be not in the public interest is an investigation, not a prosecution. To me, that suggests that there was no definite view as to whether any offence had been committed; an investigation would be required to determine this, and the CPS thought it would not be worthwhile. An exoneration it isn't, but neither is it the implicit condemnation 19C considers it to be (and, I suspect, would like it to be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 lol all the Journos are down here giving me grief this weekend, won't be any left back there but maybe I could start the seeds of that rumour I see you found your way out the mighty beast then, a VIP tour of a Test Bed A380 with nothing inside you ole schmoozer. Can you really play football inside it? and is it true that the only reason it's here in Dubai is because it's the only thing capable of carrying Matty back after all the food he's been eating down here Really bizarre to see an a/c stripped down completely inside, millions of cables all over the place, no seats, and each level is about the same as a 747. But then to see such a huge a/c do such a fantastic show in the air is incredible. Huge thanks to Whitenred for getting me on it. In answer to your questions, I can't even play football on grass and it would even make Matt look small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 My support as always is as loyal as it isn't blind. Your a golfer and someone allegedly cheats do you treat him the same even though he carries on beating you by the odd stroke? If you read my posts I don't actually have any conclusions just theories because the questions remain unanswered and this time courtesy of Phil's drink fuelled haze. Oddly though he remember's a lot of detail of all the frothy stuff? Seems to me Phil has moved into some heavily biased PR, why? I really don't understand why so many on here disagree with you. You obviously only demand that others should live up to your own absolutely perfect, spring water pure standards. Jeepers, you must be an enormously priggish pain in the butt to live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Ron I accept the point you make re 19c but he seems to just continually harp on about this issue whether it is this thread or another. Ok the case was not proven as they say up here but equally Matt was not charged so had no chance to defend his comments , yes he was a tad niave I think it is time to lay 19c comments to rest. I am sure he will post something equally provocative in the weeks ahead, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 What I would like to know though is why the hell has MLT not been arrested and flogged in the square for this outragous act of cheatism! I demand Answers dam it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've said it once and I'll say it again, the only thing that he should be arrested and flogged for is the fact that he missed touch FFS. A man of Matts ability and he couldn't find touch - doesn't bear thinking about...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Thanks for the original post Phil. Very interesting and sounds like a great night. Such a shame about the inevitable attempt to poison the thread. I hope MLT comes out to LA and we get the same chance as you chaps if I don't get to see him in Blighty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 The forum rules might aswell be deleted, they state 'no trolling' why admin allow the loon to troll constantly is a mystery . There's also a rule about banned posters not being alowed to rejoin under a new alias, but they've let that one go with him a few times too. Hey ho, maybe they think he's an attraction on here and that there would be fewer members of he wasn't around? Personally, I have a feeling the opposite is probably closer to the truth. And, back on thread...... Many thanks Phil for all your posts on here. This is the sort of thing that I come on here for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemantle Saint Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 So you are glad you didn't contribute financially to the site but want to have a say in the way it is administered ? clearly, strange thinking is not exclusive The site was great until they let one trick pony posters peddle agendas on nigh on every thread. This forum is like rubber necking a bad car crash...you know you shouldnt but you have to have a look. 19c and tossers like him finished it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Good Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Good Lord Yep, very well put, thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitenred Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 After the MLT evening last Saturday, got on the plane today to fly back and who was in the seat 3 rows down from me - you got it, MLT. Spent a long time chatting to him at the bar while he was entertaining his 3 month old daughter about football in general - nothing contentious. Got off at Heathrow and was waiting for my baggage and he saw me and came over to wish me all the best and shook my hand. Just a gentleman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2009 After the MLT evening last Saturday, got on the plane today to fly back and who was in the seat 3 rows down from me - you got it, MLT. Spent a long time chatting to him at the bar while he was entertaining his 3 month old daughter about football in general - nothing contentious. Got off at Heathrow and was waiting for my baggage and he saw me and came over to wish me all the best and shook my hand. Just a gentleman! Glad you had a good trip and hopefully it will be successful business wise as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 After the MLT evening last Saturday, got on the plane today to fly back and who was in the seat 3 rows down from me - you got it, MLT. Spent a long time chatting to him at the bar while he was entertaining his 3 month old daughter about football in general - nothing contentious. Got off at Heathrow and was waiting for my baggage and he saw me and came over to wish me all the best and shook my hand. Just a gentleman! LOL .... what did I say Presumably the flight was only half full, so it managed to get airborne ok Maybe I should do the lottery this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgrave Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 Agree but it is right to correct an error is it not? It is actually not correcting an error. There is no concept of "case not proven" in English Law. The phrase the CPS used is standard when they do not proceed with an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 It is actually not correcting an error. There is no concept of "case not proven" in English Law. The phrase the CPS used is standard when they do not proceed with an investigation. Is there not a phrase used in Law - 'no case to answer'? Certainly a phrase I have heard before whereas, 'not in the public's interest...' Does seem to infer an element of recognition of the offence but not worthy of pursing for what ever reason. At least that is my opinion. If the CPS use this latter phrase as used for MLT all the time (first time I've heard it) then is that not unfair on MLT and everyone else whose cases are not pursued as it does IMO 'suggest' guilt but we the prosecutors have decided for whatever reasons not to pursue it ? Surely, it would be fairer on those who have allegedly committed a crime that they are exonerated completely by the phrase 'no case to answer' or words to that effect. You seem to be an expert in English Law and this is a key point of issue so I would appreciate perhaps if you could explain a bit more about the CPS and their role with the police and I assume the various grades of phrases that are used in communication with the legal team of those being investigated and the media etc. If for no other reason i was ever unfortunate enough to be accused of a crime whilst being completely innocent I would not be to happy if the CPS did not exonerate me completely instead of using the terminology they used in the instance in deciding not to pursue a case. Or is the issue of innocence supposed to be removed by the police before it gets to the CPS who simply have to decide to proceed with the case or not and not to detemine if the police work they are presented with is flawed and therefore the accused is innocent? I would appreciate your reply on this as putting the MLT case to one side it's an interesting subject and one I would like clarified if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 Jesus, this thread has now become a beginners course in English law Another victim of you know who. Please close this thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 I would appreciate your reply on this as putting the MLT case to one side it's an interesting subject and one I would like clarified if possible. One thing you have forgotten to mention is that Le Tiss was never charged or even spoken to by the police. (Which is the normal course of events), so with the exception of his own admission, he hasn't been accused of anything by the police. However given your sense of public duty and thirst for justice, the link below provides some 12,000 pages on the subject, which I trust you will read thoroughly before posting again on the matter. http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/code_for_crown_prosecutors/codetest.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2009 Interesting how in page one the issue was MLT and his integrity. Then as the thread developed it became an issue about the substance of the English Legal system. I do believe on the cps web page there is a link that says contact us. Seeing as the seat number hasn't been forthcoming so MLT can apologise in person, I wonder if an email complaint has been sent instead to CPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 I would appreciate your reply on this as putting the MLT case to one side it's an interesting subject and one I would like clarified if possible. As this has nothing whatsoever to do with football or MLT - as in your words you are putting him to one side (thank God for that) - could you not have PM'ed the poster of these facts and had your English law lesson in the privacy of your own little space away from everybody who comes on here to discuss footballing issues ? Or did you want it "out there" so that you look so high and mighty and bloody intelligent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgrave Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 Is there not a phrase used in Law - 'no case to answer'? Certainly a phrase I have heard before whereas, 'not in the public's interest...' Does seem to infer an element of recognition of the offence but not worthy of pursing for what ever reason. At least that is my opinion. If the CPS use this latter phrase as used for MLT all the time (first time I've heard it) then is that not unfair on MLT and everyone else whose cases are not pursued as it does IMO 'suggest' guilt but we the prosecutors have decided for whatever reasons not to pursue it ? Surely, it would be fairer on those who have allegedly committed a crime that they are exonerated completely by the phrase 'no case to answer' or words to that effect. You seem to be an expert in English Law and this is a key point of issue so I would appreciate perhaps if you could explain a bit more about the CPS and their role with the police and I assume the various grades of phrases that are used in communication with the legal team of those being investigated and the media etc. If for no other reason i was ever unfortunate enough to be accused of a crime whilst being completely innocent I would not be to happy if the CPS did not exonerate me completely instead of using the terminology they used in the instance in deciding not to pursue a case. Or is the issue of innocence supposed to be removed by the police before it gets to the CPS who simply have to decide to proceed with the case or not and not to detemine if the police work they are presented with is flawed and therefore the accused is innocent? I would appreciate your reply on this as putting the MLT case to one side it's an interesting subject and one I would like clarified if possible. (In general situations), to prosecute, the CPS needs to be happy with the evidence presented to it, and whether or to prosecute is in the public interest. If either or both of these criteria are not satisfied, then the case will not proceed. The phrasing of the "not proceed" statement by the police (to the press) is of no legal significance. The CPS could not "exonerate anybody completely," as their role is to assess suitability for prosecution and consequential prosecution. They do not "judge" (in the bewigged sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2009 And finally, Rob McAffrey has just started writing a column for the new "Serious Paper" down here, The National. Very Broadsheet. Entertaining comment about MLT and he confirms Eric's ITK 'ness re Matt's tipple http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091121/SPORT/711209846/1078&template=columnists ......Thankfully, the pre-show banter, red light adrenalin and the fact that Matt would make a sloth look like Usain Bolt in a nightclub.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 And finally, Rob McAffrey has just started writing a column for the new "Serious Paper" down here, The National. Very Broadsheet. Entertaining comment about MLT and he confirms Eric's ITK 'ness re Matt's tipple http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091121/SPORT/711209846/1078&template=columnists ......Thankfully, the pre-show banter, red light adrenalin and the fact that Matt would make a sloth look like Usain Bolt in a nightclub.......... Oh for god's sake Phil... Now we'll have a Malibu and coke witch hunt... ffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 Oh for god's sake Phil... Now we'll have a Malibu and coke witch hunt... ffs... And quite rightly ... he blamed his big brother for the drink, but did admit his bro later changed to bitter .... so no excuses on that front. Mind you think how big Matt would be on 10 pints of beer a night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 And quite rightly ... he blamed his big brother for the drink, but did admit his bro later changed to bitter .... so no excuses on that front. Mind you think how big Matt would be on 10 pints of beer a night I think he should be drinking Bacardi, at least he'd be supporting a local business... I can't believe the man who was such a sporting hero to me drinks Malibu... I feel so let down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 I think he should be drinking Bacardi, at least he'd be supporting a local business... I can't believe the man who was such a sporting hero to me drinks Malibu... I feel so let down... He should explain himself to us, we deserve the truth and not be fobbed off or have him put an extra chapter about it in the paperback version of his book. He has let us all down, there is a local business that needs him and what does he do ? I think for the sake of Public interest the CPS should follow this up and make a decision on the correct legal proceedings to take care of MLT and his ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 Oh gawd, I shudder to think how this will set a certain poster off :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 Oh gawd, I shudder to think how this will set a certain poster off :D He is SO a Babysham drinker.... It explains a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 He should explain himself to us, we deserve the truth and not be fobbed off or have him put an extra chapter about it in the paperback version of his book. He has let us all down, there is a local business that needs him and what does he do ? I think for the sake of Public interest the CPS should follow this up and make a decision on the correct legal proceedings to take care of MLT and his ilk. I don't think an extra chapter about his Malibu drinking exploits will cover it for me... I think the CPS should definitely be on the case for this one. Any alcoholic beverage that has coconut in it needs police intervention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2009 I don't think an extra chapter about his Malibu drinking exploits will cover it for me... I think the CPS should definitely be on the case for this one. Any alcoholic beverage that has coconut in it needs police intervention... I just wish to point out, for the record, that EoA did get the scoop on this story at the event, and that your on the spot correspondent did actually mention it in the OP :smt074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 I don't think an extra chapter about his Malibu drinking exploits will cover it for me... I think the CPS should definitely be on the case for this one. Any alcoholic beverage that has coconut in it needs police intervention... I've heard that both Lawrie and Leon also peddle in coconut flavoured drinks. Shall I tell the police??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 I've heard that both Lawrie and Leon also peddle in coconut flavoured drinks. Shall I tell the police??? No, the police are investigating you for continually jumping on someone elses bandwagon in a very unoriginal way and for committing crimes against comedic banter in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 (edited) No, the police are investigating you for continually jumping on someone elses bandwagon in a very unoriginal way and for committing crimes against comedic banter in the process. Oh the irony.... 19c in unoriginal, unfunny, bandwagon jumping, hypocrisy shock... Have another Babysham and lie down... Edited 22 November, 2009 by Daren W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 What does Babysham taste like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 What does Babysham taste like? Haven't a clue, it's a bit of girls drink... Ask 19c, he knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Flashdance at home... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 No, the police are investigating you for continually jumping on someone elses bandwagon in a very unoriginal way and for committing crimes against comedic banter in the process. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 What does Babysham taste like? More babyshambles than Babycham - But I'll have Babycham if they throw in the cherry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 More babyshambles than Babycham - But I'll have Babycham if they throw in the cherry. Im guessing you still have a cherry of your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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