An Evening with MLT 2 - a review

[dubai_phil]

In strange way Phils OP looks like he was reporting on the questions rather than the answers. 1st time I have ever seen that happen. Great reading without learning much lol.

 

 

Fair and valid point, deserves a fair answer.

 

I DID consider that, but then the problem was that it would make the report "my interpretation of what Matt said" rather than the "feel of the evening".

 

It crossed my mind that to tell all the punchlines to the jokes rather than to say "there were a lot of anecdites about" would be a bit unfair on others who may get the chance to go out and be entertained one evening.

 

It's like "the worst Saints player other than Ali Dia" answer it actually lasted about 2 minutes while he said well if you accept that this, and that and then you look at the way he did this and then that game at blah blah, is a little different from me saying "he thinks Jon Gittens was almost as bad as Ali Dia!

 

The pre-season training/Alan Ball story was a rollicking good 5 minutes and I already got moaned at that the OP was too long . Heck, the "way" he told it meant that even my G F who's never heard of Dave Beasant or Ian Dowie could immediately understand and see the funny side, just wouldn't have worked in print!

[dune]

It's such a shame that yet another good thread gets hijacked by the attention seeking headcase.

[Barry Horne]

Thanks 19C for opening my eyes.

 

There was me thinking that I'd had a wonderful night meeting one of my all time heroes. Now I realise that his willingness to chat us in person after the speech and Q&A session, pose for numerous photos and autograph my copy of his book, speak to whitenreds family on the phone etc etc etc were all a charade.

 

I should have known better than to trust somebody who drinks Malibu and Coke

 

Please stay off this thread, and preferably off the board altogether. Not sure how I managed to refrain from getting myself some serious infractions .... maybe still in a happy place after meeting Le God.

 

In his book and on the evening Matt mentions (referring to Glen Hoddle) that you should never meet your hero as they are more than likely going to let you down ... well I met mine and now hold in an even higher regard.

 

Thank you Matt.

 

It was my me and my two girls who Matt spoke to on Saturday night. He was a complete gentleman and totally down to earth and spent a good five minutes chatting to the kids one after the other. He asked them loads of questions and made their night. They've both gone to school this morning itching to tell their teachers and friends about what happened. Do you think they care whether Matt had a flutter on what time the ball went out for a throw? All they know is that their favourite Saints player ever could be bothered to ring a 10 and a seven-year-old from Dubai. Hero? Too bloody right he is.

[hypochondriac]

I think the point that Weston was making was that people moan about that particular poster yet there are still posts like "I bet xxx will soon be along posting rubbish".

 

Baiting or not, these posts do serve as an invite and do encourage posters who appear to enjoy provoking a response.

 

I was just frustrated that I knew exactly what was coming.TBH it should be stopped by the mods because it became very tiring a long time ago.

[dubai_phil]

I was just frustrated that I knew exactly what was coming.TBH it should be stopped by the mods because it became very tiring a long time ago.

 

Guys, for once, we don't need the positive vibes and support.

 

As you can see from the post above by BH, and in my deliberate decision to review as an event "A night out with MLT" rather than to begin to attempt to record or interpret what was said can we leave the troll feeding alone now.

 

At no time have we attempted to ram any opinion down anyone's throat.

 

There have been enough own goals scored by one on here so far.

 

Hi Barry Horne, you'll be pleased to know your "boss" is in good shape, if a little sweaty in his suit during the day, he's in good form and a damned nice guy.

 

Golf starts tomorrow, I'll try and find time for a similar "behind the scenes review" of that somewhere appropriate if anyone actually is interested.

[ericofarabia]

It was my me and my two girls who Matt spoke to on Saturday night. He was a complete gentleman and totally down to earth and spent a good five minutes chatting to the kids one after the other. He asked them loads of questions and made their night. They've both gone to school this morning itching to tell their teachers and friends about what happened. Do you think they care whether Matt had a flutter on what time the ball went out for a throw? All they know is that their favourite Saints player ever could be bothered to ring a 10 and a seven-year-old from Dubai. Hero? Too bloody right he is.

 

Nice disguise with the name

 

Really nice to meet your other half, might pop down The Airshow and see him tomorrow as well. Will be interesting to see if the ear to ear grin is still there, and a result getting the company to stump up for the call as well ..... cue MLT in company expenses scandal headlines

[Andyb1]

I missed your post asking for questions but I wasn't on much over the weekend and as you read this forum regulalry I'm fairly sure you could have framed some suitable questions yet protect your apparent toady approach.

 

Bland statements seems to be MLT's speciality and I have no sympathy over the aftermath of the betting scam story and the impact on his family as he has been master of his own destiny in that regard. Are you suggesting we should have sympathy for him and his family for the story made up or otherwise and that he has to write another chapter for the paperback? Correction Graham Hiley has to write another chapter. I apologise if I thought MLT came across as a bit flippant or 'oh how we laughed' but that is the way it came across in your OP when MLT said ' well I have to write another chapter for the paperback' - did he say it with a wry smile or with that laid back in his chair jokiness as if he was having a joke with Jeff Stelling?

 

MLT may well have done some charity gigs locally but living outside the area I don't get to hear about most and / or have the time to attend and some of my questions may not be wholly welcomed at a charity event in any case. If not Soccer Saturday which I agree on reflection would be the normal bland straight bat comments why not a local radio phone in where a wider audience could be accomodated and with advertising we may actually get wind of it because as self- important as you are Phil I don't read everything you write.

 

I don't get to many away games as like everything else in life we have to balance our other responsibilities otherwise perhaps I could ask him and the next away game he attends. Any reason why Phil he is attending an away game soon and not home? Is it the ticket costs or something altogether more old fashioned like guilt, shame or simply worried his ego may take a dent after the reception he got at the Millwall game before all this broke?

 

I agree if you don't ask you don't get and that is why I listen intently until what I have asked is answered satisfactorily and that no stone is left unturned. Remember, I didn't give cause to question the integrity of MLT and neither is it my fault your report came across as a juanty little jolly in the Middle East with a friendly and jokey compere.

 

I wonder if the person who compared MLT's deeds to Agassi was happy with the answer? So was it a betting scam? I assume it was becasue of the police taking the case to the CPS and if so did MLT lie about the actual game in the book given it wasn't televised? Surely that question was asked - a fabrication to sell books or an actual event? Us mortals don't even know that and all we do know is the integrity of the man.

 

So do I have to travel to Hartlepool a week on Tuesday or are you going to give us your alcohol fuelled version of events. You seem a bit exclusive as to what you will write and what you wont write perhaps you shouldn't have written anything at all if you exclude the darker stuff because of drink, yet include the froth.

 

F*ck you're boring

[Daren W]

My money is on him not appearing despite the invite from you and one other poster.

 

Weston and Jam, I think you miss the point. The very fact that he's been all over this thread like a rash just shows he doesn't need an invite. Look at it logically, your post is almost inviting him not to post, hinting, quite strongly, that Hypo and MOG expect you to post so don't and prove you're above it all.

 

Unlucky.

 

There does appear to be a some underlying issue here. Maybe Le Tiss ****ged his wife or something, but there has to some reason for this almost hysterical hatred 19c has for man. Yes, we know he's flawed, he's not perfect but 19c has made his point, what is gained by turning every Matt LeTissier thread into trash?

 

Yes we all know Matt screwed up, aligning himself with the Pinnacle bid but the thing 19c seems to completely forget is.... at least Matt tried. When many of us on here were flapping around and expecting the worst he stepped up and tried to attract money. What did 19c do in our darkest hour? Posted a lot maybe but like a lot of us, did nothing.

 

The betting thing is rather stupid and I'm sure Matt desperately regrets writing it but it's over and done with now surely. It was a one off and he screwed it up, it's not as if he was consistently cheating. It was a one off mistake. Get over it.

 

How is 19c allowed to continue post on here? I'm for freedom of speech but what is to be gained by continually taking any thread about Le Tissier (or McMenemy or Crouch for that matter) and turning into a one sided witch hunt. Yes I'd rather Matt had shut up about the "betting scam" and I wish he'd go public about Pinnacle but those two issues are absolutely dwarfed by his contribution to club playing.

 

The man was an absolute god on the pitch and an an absolute gent off it. Some of my most cherished memories of Southampton football club involve him, he singled handedly kept us in the Premiership and in doing so scored the most amazing goals I have ever seen.

 

I'm not asking people to sweep under the carpet the two issues but I am asking people to show some respect to a genuine sporting icon. This is getting beyond a joke and the admin need to do something about it...

[hypochondriac]

Fair enough Phil. I'll leave it

[dellboypete]

Great review - what a brilliant evening. Can't help but be jealous! Wish I had been there.

 

The last great saints legend in Dubai was Peter Osgood (RIP) who did a fantastic evening at the Country Club (also RIP) about a year before he died. UAEPete and my goodself got absolutely plastered.

 

Ossie was outstanding and I have many signed momentos from that evening that I will treasure for ever

[Nineteen Canteen]

It is a shame that you posted so eloquently on some of the more religious threads, and yet have missed one small point.

 

I believe there is something about forgiveness, and something about confessing to sins?

 

Never mind. MLT is not a hero of mine, he is a hero of my football club.

 

I have others who have inspired me. (and would fit your criteria far better)

 

MLT holds the record for the most Premier League goals scored by a midfielder.

 

MLT as I mentioned was one of "two football blokes" who provided an evening of extremely high quality entertainment to an audience made up of 90% NON Saints fans.

 

Again, a shame that the Leeds and Preston fans also sat at our table regarded him as a legend. Shame that the Aussie guy thanked him for his openess on the issue and how it had restored his faith in "a true football legend".

 

Which part of "he spent around 40 minutes explaining everything in great detail and the circumstances and it's impact on his life did you not actually understand?"

 

Resorting to snide side swipes about PR, toadying and "excessive alcohol consumption", poor debating technique my friend, surprised you stoop so low.

 

Again, WHAT question is it that you wanted to have answered?[/QUOTE]

 

Phil which part don't you understand he could have spent 400 minutes explaining the impact on his life but he is responsible for any fallout on himslef and his family and he failed to give that due consideration at the time or when he came to write about it IMO.

 

Snide swipes? You have to admit your report was a little one sided and you said yourself you could not do his answer justice on the darker stuff because of the alcohol you had consumed and yet you were able to give detail on everything else. A tad Max Clifford if I may so Phil. Poor debating technique or simply questioning your motives?

 

I'm surprised you don't know the question as I have repeated one just for starters but it appears I am being told the answer is that it has badly affected his life? What has? What did he actually do and what was it that caused the case to go to the CPS who IMO hardly gave him an honourable discharge. Did he commit a crime or did he simply fabricate the whole thing to help sell a book about as interesting as Delia's how to cheat at cookery book?

 

Phil please don't make me repeat myself some posters get terribly annoyed by it so lets hear what he said in that 40 minutes and leave the jokey anecdotes to one side for the time being.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You actually COULD say fairer than that. You COULD say " I have made my point many, many times. I think that everyone on TSW knows my thoughts on the subject, so I won`t keep repeating them. Let`s move on." You won`t though will you?

 

Recognition needs to come from both sides MOG. Whilst, many still view MLT as a god and continue to push that view some of us feel his image has been tarnished and with no apology or proper explanation unless it appears we buy the paperback? So no in answer to your question I won't at this moment in time.

[miserableoldgit]

Recognition needs to come from both sides MOG. Whilst, many still view MLT as a god and continue to push that view some of us feel his image has been tarnished and with no apology or proper explanation unless it appears we buy the paperback? So no in answer to your question I won't at this moment in time.

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[Nineteen Canteen]

Thanks 19C for opening my eyes.

 

There was me thinking that I'd had a wonderful night meeting one of my all time heroes. Now I realise that his willingness to chat us in person after the speech and Q&A session, pose for numerous photos and autograph my copy of his book, speak to whitenreds family on the phone etc etc etc were all a charade.

 

I should have known better than to trust somebody who drinks Malibu and Coke

 

Please stay off this thread, and preferably off the board altogether. Not sure how I managed to refrain from getting myself some serious infractions .... maybe still in a happy place after meeting Le God.

 

In his book and on the evening Matt mentions (referring to Glen Hoddle) that you should never meet your hero as they are more than likely going to let you down ... well I met mine and now hold in an even higher regard.

 

Thank you Matt.

 

Eric so we have different standards - that is not a crime. As you were there give those of us who would like some proper answers how MLT addressed the Agassi question. Save the sob story about the impact on himself and his family, he's a big boy and made his choices so lets hear why and how.

[Nineteen Canteen]

?????:confused:

 

Sorry, I forget the forum is the centre of the universe.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I suppose no apology will be forthcoming. Ho hum...

 

Very strange post

[miserableoldgit]

Sorry, I forget the forum is the centre of the universe.

As I have only ever heard these anti MLT sentiments from you on this forum, I think that it is a valid question as to who the "some of us" are. You are not the only one that asks valid questions and demands answers.

Who else supports your stance? Or are you the only person that is right?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Weston and Jam, I think you miss the point. The very fact that he's been all over this thread like a rash just shows he doesn't need an invite. Look at it logically, your post is almost inviting him not to post, hinting, quite strongly, that Hypo and MOG expect you to post so don't and prove you're above it all.

 

Unlucky.

 

There does appear to be a some underlying issue here. Maybe Le Tiss ****ged his wife or something, but there has to some reason for this almost hysterical hatred 19c has for man. Yes, we know he's flawed, he's not perfect but 19c has made his point, what is gained by turning every Matt LeTissier thread into trash?

 

Yes we all know Matt screwed up, aligning himself with the Pinnacle bid but the thing 19c seems to completely forget is.... at least Matt tried. When many of us on here were flapping around and expecting the worst he stepped up and tried to attract money. What did 19c do in our darkest hour? Posted a lot maybe but like a lot of us, did nothing.

 

The betting thing is rather stupid and I'm sure Matt desperately regrets writing it but it's over and done with now surely. It was a one off and he screwed it up, it's not as if he was consistently cheating. It was a one off mistake. Get over it.

 

How is 19c allowed to continue post on here? I'm for freedom of speech but what is to be gained by continually taking any thread about Le Tissier (or McMenemy or Crouch for that matter) and turning into a one sided witch hunt. Yes I'd rather Matt had shut up about the "betting scam" and I wish he'd go public about Pinnacle but those two issues are absolutely dwarfed by his contribution to club playing.

 

The man was an absolute god on the pitch and an an absolute gent off it. Some of my most cherished memories of Southampton football club involve him, he singled handedly kept us in the Premiership and in doing so scored the most amazing goals I have ever seen.

 

I'm not asking people to sweep under the carpet the two issues but I am asking people to show some respect to a genuine sporting icon. This is getting beyond a joke and the admin need to do something about it...

 

Daren, no doubt you'll be rushing out to buy the paperback for that extra chapter? I was told that cheats never prosper when I was growing up but perhaps I was wrong. You are very forgiving but in the absence of that 40 minute confession and heart searching answer Phil alludes to, being given to all his adoring fans then he is perhaps not quite the gent we thought he was IMO.

 

Many of us have had a less privilged life than MLT and yet have lived a life of integrity and without the need for the Police to take a case against us to the CPS. See my point? Being a sporting hero does not exempt you from tarnishing your image if you chose to take a less honest approach, whereas as others of less celebrity would be more reviled. I still can't quite understand why he thought it would be worthwhile to include it in his book?

[Nineteen Canteen]

As I have only ever heard these anti MLT sentiments from you on this forum, I think that it is a valid question as to who the "some of us" are. You are not the only one that asks valid questions and demands answers.

Who else supports your stance? Or are you the only person that is right?

 

MOG, how many season ticket holder are there? Well a few I know are not happy at all with MLT's lack of acknowledgement and will be even less happy if they have to buy the paperback to get the answer. Also have a read of the Echo comments when some of this stuff gets published.

[Nineteen Canteen]

F*ck you're boring

 

Thanks, I consider that progess.

[miserableoldgit]

MOG, how many season ticket holder are there? Well a few I know are not happy at all with MLT's lack of acknowledgement and will be even less happy if they have to buy the paperback to get the answer. Also have a read of the Echo comments when some of this stuff gets published.

I don`t doubt that that a few people may have made less than positive remarks regarding "throwingate" but I do doubt that any of them have taken it to the obsessive, "dog with a bone" lengths that you have. Personally, I think that on reflection MLT was unwise to describe the incident in his book. Has that tarnished his image or taken the shine from my many joyous memories of watching probably the most likable, loyal and skillfull players ever to play for Saints? NO, not in the slightest! It would take much more than a small error of judgement to do that. You have made your point on every occaision possible. You might be the voice of "Truth, Justice and the American Way" but it really is time that you let this rest and move on to your next controversy. I`m sure that you are building one up.

[ottery st mary]

Phil, Eric and the lads..many thanks for some great posts about a great man....Have always been a fan of MLT and like others ..VERY jealous I was not there...Will endeavour to catch him at an event of this type in the future..

 

Once again ..Thank you middle eastern boyzz.

 

COYRs

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don`t doubt that that a few people may have made less than positive remarks regarding "throwingate" but I do doubt that any of them have taken it to the obsessive, "dog with a bone" lengths that you have. Personally, I think that on reflection MLT was unwise to describe the incident in his book. Has that tarnished his image or taken the shine from my many joyous memories of watching probably the most likable, loyal and skillfull players ever to play for Saints? NO, not in the slightest! It would take much more than a small error of judgement to do that. You have made your point on every occaision possible. You might be the voice of "Truth, Justice and the American Way" but it really is time that you let this rest and move on to your next controversy. I`m sure that you are building one up.

 

I can only comment on the material that passes our way, so who knows? MOG just out of interest, if as suggested by Phil that MLT does write an extra chapter in his book to presumably explain all this doesn't that actually exacerbate the situation and show him to be actually capitalising on his poor judgement? If that is the case and none of us know unless it was discussed at Phil's happy gathering isn't that a bit like rubbing salt in a wound still open or healing or otherwise? A kind of, I got it very wrong but if you want me to correct it then you will need to pay for it? If it's true he is going to write another chapter to cover this off then he is shameless IMO and lacking not just judgement but integrity. Write the chapter for free and publish it in the Echo, now that would have alot more resonance with people like me who feel he has not exactly conducted himself as you would reasonably expect from a sporting hero.

[skintsaint]

Great read, thanks for posting. (with regards to the OP...not the handbags)

[dune]

There does appear to be a some underlying issue here. Maybe Le Tiss ****ged his wife or something, but there has to some reason for this almost hysterical hatred 19c has for man.

 

19C hates Matt Le Tissier for the same reason he idolises Rupert Lowe - it gets him attention. As for the underlying reasons for him doing this it's pretty obvious the guy has a problem.

[WestSaint]

19C hates Matt Le Tissier for the same reason he idolises Rupert Lowe - it gets him attention. As for the underlying reasons for him doing this it's pretty obvious the guy has a problem.

 

Quite true - He is not disimilar to an adolescent continuing to push the boundries to see how much he can get away with. Unfortunately the Mods let him get away with it

[beatlesaint]

BeatleSaint if you can prove that point to me I will let it lie. Any report from a reputable media source (no red tops or forum comments) that says MLT had 'no case to answer' will suffice. I can't say fairer than that.

 

I know I shouldn't rise to your bait yet again, but I will give it one more go.

The Police when they investigated this hideous crime decided there was no case to answer. **** me you keep on about the Police involvement so you must know the outcome.

 

If the organisation that enforce the law in this country see no case to answer why oh why is that not enough for you ?

 

Your continual refernce to MLT being a cheat with your "cheats dont prosper" mantra comes from where ? How has the man cheated FFS ? All he tried to do, and failed at, was kick a bloody football out of play in the first few seconds of a game. Its not cheating, how can it be. It did not influence a game in the slightest........conning the referee for a penalty is cheating and you can see that every week on Match of the Day etc etc. You make it sound like he murdered someone and got away scot free.

 

Your dog with a bone attitude towards the Pinnacle thing is so so missing the point its untrue. MLT tried to help and save the club that he loves. As Daren pointed out at least he tried. Ok he was taken in, he possibly didnt do his homework and got his fingers burned but in your world that deserves criticism and scorn doesnt it ? Why ? How ? There was hardly a queue of people lined up to save this Football Club was there ? Its not MLT's fault that Mark Fry took the Pinnacle option before the one that eventually saved the club is it ? Yet you find it far easier to criticise his part in it than admit that his reasons and intentions were nothing less than honourable and says much about the man. Excuse me if I am wrong, and I am sure you will delight in pointing it out if I am, but how many other former players of this club TRIED to save it to the extent that MLT did ? Oh, thats right, none.

 

The reception MLT got when he walked around the pitch to do his Sky work at the Millwall game just underlined how much supporters of this club appreciate what he tried to do and I am sure he will get that reception everytime he comes back to St Marys and appears pitch side. There appears to be only one sad individual who sits there like the Saints version of Scrooge mumbling and spitting venom in his direction.

 

Please please for the sake of our sanity, and yours, give it up cos this is getting to be a little bit disturbing. And given your self admitted mental problems in the past I would think you had more important things to concern yourself with than a one man crusade against an individual you have probably never met.

Edited 16 November, 2009 by beatlesaint

[dubai_phil]

I don't see an actual question yet 19C was this it? or are you an ex politician who avoids such clear issue

 

Did he commit a crime or did he simply fabricate the whole thing to help sell a book about as interesting as Delia's how to cheat at cookery book?

 

Is this all you are worried about?

 

If so then the answer is simple, but as I have said, I am not a journalist I was reporting on an event that entertained football fans with a Southampton context.

 

Here are my recollections of what he said as it pertains to your concern. You FINALLY asked so I answer.

 

Did he conspire with others to "try and take some bookies for some money"? Is that the question?

 

Yes, he admitted he did. Yes he admitted that at the time when he was earning around 60% of what Lloyd James currently earns, (I'll repeat that, when he earnt about 60% of what Lloyd James currently earns) a number of players conspired.

 

Did he talk about "on-line spread betting organisations" NO, he talked about "some bookies". (It may seem a big world outside for you, but there are a lot of bookies around the world who don't operate on the internet or need Sky TV. I think Hanse Cronje knew a few.)

 

Yes, he admitted his role was to kick the ball out of play, yes he admitted he was nervous about it, yes he admitted he failed because he tried to make it look normal, yes Rob McAffrey made a quip about taking penalties and kicking the ball into touch, yes a Saints player did head the ball and keep it in play.

 

Yes, he felt that in order to be completely truthful about his time in football he would include it in his book.

 

Yes, he did that because he wanted to keep all attention away from his private life and his young family.

 

Yes, he was shocked in hindsight at how stupid and naive he was when he saw the reaction in putting it into the book in the first place, and yes he was shocked and hugely embarrassed when in the cold light of reality he looked back on the whole thing and saw that everything was just wrong.

 

Yes, he admitted he had been wrong, and that it was idiotic, he was a lot younger and it was a "boys thing", but yes, he should have known better, that was no excuse.

 

Yes, he admitted that the 3 weeks work he lost from his job as a result made him even more repentant.

 

Yes, he admitted that the highly lucrative contract that he had lost as a result of the story 'really hurt".

 

Yes, the affair had made a significant impact on the wealfare of his family.

 

Yes, also, again he fairly admitted that "the lads" had done something.

 

No, at NO time did he attempt to justify his actions or hide behind the fact that "others were involved".

 

Yes, of course he knows it was wrong. However, he also felt that including it in his book he was being honest and open, which he had always tried to be.

 

Yes at the end of the day nobody on either side won or lost any money. That does not make it right.

 

Is the public interest best served by the Police pursuing allegations of a conspiracy to commit a crime that did not happen and did not cause any financial loss to anyone other than "The Whistleblower"? Fine example that would make, tell the truth and lose money AND get arrested.

 

Now. My recollection of the wording is not perfect, the Saints lads on our table shared the cost of the beer for the evening.

 

In the time line from 19:45 until 00:40 we consumed 4 pints of beer each, and my Girl Friend had 2.5 glasses of House Red Wine (the 0.5 was because a moth landed in her drink (probably from Matt's wallet) and the staff very kindly replaced it (the wine, not the Moth).

 

Obviously you have never been to a social evening at a Golf Course with people that you respect or are your friends, and also attended by many dedicated people that I have worked with over many years to organise major events down here, or of course with your partner so I fully understand why you would feel that is a is obviously a large consumption, but I'm afraid we do have proof as we have a copy of the receipt.

 

So, in answer to your tedious, repetitive crusade, MLT told the truth about his involvement in an event that happened in his career.

 

I tried to lead this thread in a manner that avoided confrontation, and did ask you what you wished to know. It is a shame you again contaminated two pages before you finally asked a question.

 

Matt stood up in public and explained in far greater detail the whole background, nuance and circumstances. My understanding from what I heard is that he was not the only protagonist, the matter was as much about "Team Spirit" as it was about criminal masterminds. He told the truth, he told us how he came to understand that it was wrong, he told us about the impact on him and on his family and he told us how although he was "ashamed" he still believes that to have included it in his book was the honest thing to do.

 

So, I'm sorry if that doesn't exactly match the question you wanted to ask.

 

He told the truth. He was a sinner and he has repented and confessed. I sincerely apologise that nobody thought to mention the Police, and if I do find him tomorrow I will ask as long as he isn't actually competing in the golf.

 

Now, again, what is your seat number at SMS and I will go out of my way to try and find him tomorrow and ask him to come and tell you to your face.

If I cannot find him I will ask one of my contacts to get his mobile number. It would be unfair to ask it to be disclosed publicly on here as some posters do have standards but I am sure it can be passed to you.

 

I'm sure he would take the time to phone you.

 

In the meantime, take your bitter and incorrect opinion of this man and, in the spirit of retaining my internet persona on here, and my politeness, now go away and STFU on the subject.

Edited 16 November, 2009 by dubai_phil

[dubai_phil]

Dear other forum readers

 

My apologies for typing an answer in full and taking up valuable data storage space and wasting a few precious minutes of your lives.

 

I apologise that it was not relevant to this thread, however that is what happens with respect for freedom of speech and relaxed moderation

[Daren W]

Daren, no doubt you'll be rushing out to buy the paperback for that extra chapter? I was told that cheats never prosper when I was growing up but perhaps I was wrong. You are very forgiving but in the absence of that 40 minute confession and heart searching answer Phil alludes to, being given to all his adoring fans then he is perhaps not quite the gent we thought he was IMO.

 

Many of us have had a less privilged life than MLT and yet have lived a life of integrity and without the need for the Police to take a case against us to the CPS. See my point? Being a sporting hero does not exempt you from tarnishing your image if you chose to take a less honest approach, whereas as others of less celebrity would be more reviled. I still can't quite understand why he thought it would be worthwhile to include it in his book?

 

1) One attempt at a betting scam hardly qualifies him as a cheat.

 

2) No charges were brought so that puts paid to your theory of Matt being our version of Lee Hughes/Marlon King. When he's charged then you can mount your high horse. Your desire for proof (but not from Red tops or tabloids) is childish and pathetic.

 

3) You want him to explain himself and yet when it's mentioned that he'll add another chapter to his book to cover it you accuse him of profiteering!!? Unbelievable! Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he says nothing you accuse him of avoiding the subject, he says he'll write about it and publish it and you accuse him of touting for extra book sales... Absolutely pathetic...

 

4) And again, as Phil has alluded, if you want an answer then why not seek it yourself? If you fee that strongly why not write to the Echo asking those questions? Or better still attend one of the many charity do's Matt attends and ask him face to face.

 

As it is there's something rather faceless and cowardly about sniping at the man from behind the safety of a computer screen. From what I know of Matt he'd have no problem answering your questions.

 

As it stands Le Tissier is one of a handful players who genuinely merits legend status. Many of us may feel a tinge of regret over the betting scam but many of us refuse to criticise him over the Pinnacle mess mainly for the reason that he tried in the first place. Not many ex players are that dedicated to the club they love that go that much of an extra mile for it. It's easy with hindsight, and a new shiny rich Swiss owner, to forget that there was a time when things looked so very bleak for us and potential owners were thin on the ground.

 

Matt got conned, we all got conned. The fact that he cared should speak volumes for the man, sadly with some, blinkered, agenda ridden people on here it doesn't..

 

How very sad...

 

In the meantime a word from Matt himself:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8238563.stm

 

And a proof from BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8269028.stm

 

Such a shame that such a good natured thread has descended into predictable farce...

[beatlesaint]

Such a shame that such a good natured thread has descended into predictable farce...

 

and from the usual source Daren......

[saint lard]

1) One attempt at a betting scam hardly qualifies him as a cheat.

 

2) No charges were brought so that puts paid to your theory of Matt being our version of Lee Hughes/Marlon King. When he's charged then you can mount your high horse. Your desire for proof (but not from Red tops or tabloids) is childish and pathetic.

 

3) You want him to explain himself and yet when it's mentioned that he'll add another chapter to his book to cover it you accuse him of profiteering!!? Unbelievable! Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. If he says nothing you accuse him of avoiding the subject, he says he'll write about it and publish it and you accuse him of touting for extra book sales... Absolutely pathetic...

 

4) And again, as Phil has alluded, if you want an answer then why not seek it yourself? If you fee that strongly why not write to the Echo asking those questions? Or better still attend one of the many charity do's Matt attends and ask him face to face.

 

As it is there's something rather faceless and cowardly about sniping at the man from behind the safety of a computer screen. From what I know of Matt he'd have no problem answering your questions.

 

As it stands Le Tissier is one of a handful players who genuinely merits legend status. Many of us may feel a tinge of regret over the betting scam but many of us refuse to criticise him over the Pinnacle mess mainly for the reason that he tried in the first place. Not many ex players are that dedicated to the club they love that go that much of an extra mile for it. It's easy with hindsight, and a new shiny rich Swiss owner, to forget that there was a time when things looked so very bleak for us and potential owners were thin on the ground.

 

Matt got conned, we all got conned. The fact that he cared should speak volumes for the man, sadly with some, blinkered, agenda ridden people on here it doesn't..

 

How very sad...

 

In the meantime a word from Matt himself:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8238563.stm

 

And a proof from BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8269028.stm

 

Such a shame that such a good natured thread has descended into predictable farce...[/QUOTE]

 

That makes 2/2 in the last couple of weeks ref MLT,19c must be so proud.

But it's hardly surprising is it....

Edited 16 November, 2009 by saint lard

[Saint in Paradise]

Quote "many of us refuse to criticise him over the Pinnacle mess mainly for the reason that he tried in the

first place. Not many ex players are that dedicated to the club they love that go that much of an extra mile for it."Unquote

 

Actually I cannot think of any other ex players who would have been able to unite the supporters as

well as MLT did in those troubled times.Also I can't actually remember any trying, many apollogies if I am

wrong with that last bit.

[dubai_phil]

Quote "many of us refuse to criticise him over the Pinnacle mess mainly for the reason that he tried in the

first place. Not many ex players are that dedicated to the club they love that go that much of an extra mile for it."Unquote

 

Actually I cannot think of any other ex players who would have been able to unite the supporters as

well as MLT did in those troubled times.Also I can't actually remember any trying, many apollogies if I am

wrong with that last bit.

 

Is it better to have tried and failed, or is it better to hide behind a monitor and moan?

 

What did you do in the War Daddy? Oh I sat at home and moaned, but it's OK, I have a far greater intellect because I asked important questions.

 

Meanwhile Gents, please, you are all just adding to the problem. The thread was a review of an evening with MLT, not a discussion about the rights of a poster to free speech. 19C is perfectly capable of making his own points and showing the world his thinking process.

 

I'm more concerned that Dubai will be losing a favourite son at the end of the season, Showtime have lost the rights to PL football to Abu Dhabi and we face losing Rob McAffrey who is a true professional running a very good show for us down here, as well as a fine columnist in the local paper.

 

His son is also a promising up and coming Leg Spinner.

[Jonnyboy]

Really great thread apart from the obvious.

 

Go on 19C - tell us your seat number - there's quite a few of us who would like to know.

[Belgiansaint]

(...) The thread was a review of an evening with MLT (...)

 

And an excellent account of what must have been a thoroughly enjoyable evening it was. Thanks for that, Phil.

[Weston Saint]

I don't see an actual question yet 19C was this it? or are you an ex politician who avoids such clear issue

 

 

 

Is this all you are worried about?

 

If so then the answer is simple, but as I have said, I am not a journalist I was reporting on an event that entertained football fans with a Southampton context.

 

Here are my recollections of what he said as it pertains to your concern. You FINALLY asked so I answer.

 

Did he conspire with others to "try and take some bookies for some money"? Is that the question?

 

Yes, he admitted he did. Yes he admitted that at the time when he was earning around 60% of what Lloyd James currently earns, (I'll repeat that, when he earnt about 60% of what Lloyd James currently earns) a number of players conspired.

 

Did he talk about "on-line spread betting organisations" NO, he talked about "some bookies". (It may seem a big world outside for you, but there are a lot of bookies around the world who don't operate on the internet or need Sky TV. I think Hanse Cronje knew a few.)

 

Yes, he admitted his role was to kick the ball out of play, yes he admitted he was nervous about it, yes he admitted he failed because he tried to make it look normal, yes Rob McAffrey made a quip about taking penalties and kicking the ball into touch, yes a Saints player did head the ball and keep it in play.

 

Yes, he felt that in order to be completely truthful about his time in football he would include it in his book.

 

Yes, he did that because he wanted to keep all attention away from his private life and his young family.

 

Yes, he was shocked in hindsight at how stupid and naive he was when he saw the reaction in putting it into the book in the first place, and yes he was shocked and hugely embarrassed when in the cold light of reality he looked back on the whole thing and saw that everything was just wrong.

 

Yes, he admitted he had been wrong, and that it was idiotic, he was a lot younger and it was a "boys thing", but yes, he should have known better, that was no excuse.

 

Yes, he admitted that the 3 weeks work he lost from his job as a result made him even more repentant.

 

Yes, he admitted that the highly lucrative contract that he had lost as a result of the story 'really hurt".

 

Yes, the affair had made a significant impact on the wealfare of his family.

 

Yes, also, again he fairly admitted that "the lads" had done something.

 

No, at NO time did he attempt to justify his actions or hide behind the fact that "others were involved".

 

Yes, of course he knows it was wrong. However, he also felt that including it in his book he was being honest and open, which he had always tried to be.

 

Yes at the end of the day nobody on either side won or lost any money. That does not make it right.

 

Is the public interest best served by the Police pursuing allegations of a conspiracy to commit a crime that did not happen and did not cause any financial loss to anyone other than "The Whistleblower"? Fine example that would make, tell the truth and lose money AND get arrested.

 

Now. My recollection of the wording is not perfect, the Saints lads on our table shared the cost of the beer for the evening.

 

In the time line from 19:45 until 00:40 we consumed 4 pints of beer each, and my Girl Friend had 2.5 glasses of House Red Wine (the 0.5 was because a moth landed in her drink (probably from Matt's wallet) and the staff very kindly replaced it (the wine, not the Moth).

 

Obviously you have never been to a social evening at a Golf Course with people that you respect or are your friends, and also attended by many dedicated people that I have worked with over many years to organise major events down here, or of course with your partner so I fully understand why you would feel that is a is obviously a large consumption, but I'm afraid we do have proof as we have a copy of the receipt.

 

So, in answer to your tedious, repetitive crusade, MLT told the truth about his involvement in an event that happened in his career.

 

I tried to lead this thread in a manner that avoided confrontation, and did ask you what you wished to know. It is a shame you again contaminated two pages before you finally asked a question.

 

Matt stood up in public and explained in far greater detail the whole background, nuance and circumstances. My understanding from what I heard is that he was not the only protagonist, the matter was as much about "Team Spirit" as it was about criminal masterminds. He told the truth, he told us how he came to understand that it was wrong, he told us about the impact on him and on his family and he told us how although he was "ashamed" he still believes that to have included it in his book was the honest thing to do.

 

So, I'm sorry if that doesn't exactly match the question you wanted to ask.

 

He told the truth. He was a sinner and he has repented and confessed. I sincerely apologise that nobody thought to mention the Police, and if I do find him tomorrow I will ask as long as he isn't actually competing in the golf.

 

Now, again, what is your seat number at SMS and I will go out of my way to try and find him tomorrow and ask him to come and tell you to your face.

If I cannot find him I will ask one of my contacts to get his mobile number. It would be unfair to ask it to be disclosed publicly on here as some posters do have standards but I am sure it can be passed to you.

 

I'm sure he would take the time to phone you.

 

In the meantime, take your bitter and incorrect opinion of this man and, in the spirit of retaining my internet persona on here, and my politeness, now go away and STFU on the subject.

Hopefully this explanation will put the whole issue to bed.

 

A word of advice to Nineteen Canteen. Let it go please. You are an intelligent poster and must see you have done this to death. I hope you take the advice in the way it is meant.

[Micky]

Don't know if it has been covered already here because apart from the OP I can't really be bothered to read the 'off topic' stuff, but would be really interested to know if anybody asked Matt if he had considered getting back into football in any sort of managerial role and what his reply was, if indeed the question was posed.

[hypochondriac]

Never mind.

[hypochondriac]

Hopefully this explanation will put the whole issue to bed.

 

A word of advice to Nineteen Canteen. Let it go please. You are an intelligent poster and must see you have done this to death. I hope you take the advice in the way it is meant.

 

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Dark Munster]

Blah. Blah . Blah. Blah. Blah . Blah. Blah. Blah . Blah.

 

[Nineteen Canteen]

I know I shouldn't rise to your bait yet again, but I will give it one more go.

The Police when they investigated this hideous crime decided there was no case to answer. **** me you keep on about the Police involvement so you must know the outcome.

 

If the organisation that enforce the law in this country see no case to answer why oh why is that not enough for you ?

 

Your continual refernce to MLT being a cheat with your "cheats dont prosper" mantra comes from where ? How has the man cheated FFS ? All he tried to do, and failed at, was kick a bloody football out of play in the first few seconds of a game. Its not cheating, how can it be. It did not influence a game in the slightest........conning the referee for a penalty is cheating and you can see that every week on Match of the Day etc etc. You make it sound like he murdered someone and got away scot free.

 

Your dog with a bone attitude towards the Pinnacle thing is so so missing the point its untrue. MLT tried to help and save the club that he loves. As Daren pointed out at least he tried. Ok he was taken in, he possibly didnt do his homework and got his fingers burned but in your world that deserves criticism and scorn doesnt it ? Why ? How ? There was hardly a queue of people lined up to save this Football Club was there ? Its not MLT's fault that Mark Fry took the Pinnacle option before the one that eventually saved the club is it ? Yet you find it far easier to criticise his part in it than admit that his reasons and intentions were nothing less than honourable and says much about the man. Excuse me if I am wrong, and I am sure you will delight in pointing it out if I am, but how many other former players of this club TRIED to save it to the extent that MLT did ? Oh, thats right, none.

 

The reception MLT got when he walked around the pitch to do his Sky work at the Millwall game just underlined how much supporters of this club appreciate what he tried to do and I am sure he will get that reception everytime he comes back to St Marys and appears pitch side. There appears to be only one sad individual who sits there like the Saints version of Scrooge mumbling and spitting venom in his direction.

 

Please please for the sake of our sanity, and yours, give it up cos this is getting to be a little bit disturbing. And given your self admitted mental problems in the past I would think you had more important things to concern yourself with than a one man crusade against an individual you have probably never met.

 

I read your first paragraph and couldn't go any further as you haven't grasped the basics The police take the case to the Crown Prosecution Service who decide if there is a case to answer and to instruct the police to take matters further.

 

If the CPS decided that there was 'not a case to answer' and completely exonerate MLT in the process then my understanding is they would have done so. However, they issued a statement that it was not in the public interests to pursue this case. Reasons for this I believe were allegedly given along the lines it would not be a good use of police resources taken into account I presume the age and complexity of any investigation.

 

MLT was not told nor were we that 'he did not have a case to answer' IMO. Now if I am incorrect please show me the extract from the Echo or wherever it was reported. If anything MLT was lucky IMO this didn't get out earlier, that the police force in this country is under funded and under resourced and also lucky that thanks to people like yourself fighting his corner who are completely ignorant or have simply chosen to ignore the press reports and the role of the police in this matter.

 

BS your bs simply strengthens my resolve to continue to addres my concerns until such time we receive a full and frank explanation and public apology from MLT and one that doesn't allegedly cost us the price of a paperback.

 

If you want me to read your posts and take them seriously then make sure you have a better understanding of what was reported on this case as it's alarming in this instance you choose to completely ignore the role of the CPS.

[hypochondriac]

Well now you are still going on so I imagine that Weston joins me in condemning your continual harping on which in the process completely ignores everyone's advice of "leave it".

[Daren W]

I read your first paragraph and couldn't go any further as you haven't grasped the basics The police take the case to the Crown Prosecution Service who decide if there is a case to answer and to instruct the police to take matters further.

 

If the CPS decided that there was 'not a case to answer' and completely exonerate MLT in the process then my understanding is they would have done so. However, they issued a statement that it was not in the public interests to pursue this case. Reasons for this I believe were allegedly given along the lines it would not be a good use of police resources taken into account I presume the age and complexity of any investigation.

 

MLT was not told nor were we that 'he did not have a case to answer' IMO. Now if I am incorrect please show me the extract from the Echo or wherever it was reported. If anything MLT was lucky IMO this didn't get out earlier, that the police force in this country is under funded and under resourced and also lucky that thanks to people like yourself fighting his corner who are completely ignorant or have simply chosen to ignore the press reports and the role of the police in this matter.

 

BS your bs simply strengthens my resolve to continue to addres my concerns until such time we receive a full and frank explanation and public apology from MLT and one that doesn't allegedly cost us the price of a paperback.

 

If you want me to read your posts and take them seriously then make sure you have a better understanding of what was reported on this case as it's alarming in this instance you choose to completely ignore the role of the CPS.

 

Just thought I'd highlight a few salient points. Please come back when you have some actual facts...

[hypochondriac]

Just thought I'd highlight a few salient points. Please come back when you have some actual facts...

 

Please Daren the last thing we need is him to elaborate. We just want him to completely leave all threads with MLT as the subject matter alone.

[dubai_phil]

Don't know if it has been covered already here because apart from the OP I can't really be bothered to read the 'off topic' stuff, but would be really interested to know if anybody asked Matt if he had considered getting back into football in any sort of managerial role and what his reply was, if indeed the question was posed.

 

The question wasn't asked Mickey, probably because it has been covered before in loads of interviews etc where he had indicated that he didn't see himself in that role.

He's happy with the media stuff. He did elaborate on how he "nearly" had a new career, think he mentions in his book that he has a friend Richard Bland who's a professional golfer, so he "could" have become a Caddy. But that's one of his jokes so won't spoil the all of the punchline other than it was probably the only time at a tournament where the Caddy signed more autographs than the player.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

BS your bs simply strengthens my resolve to continue to addres my concerns until such time we receive a full and frank explanation and public apology from MLT and one that doesn't allegedly cost us the price of a paperback.

 

Perhaps a more direct route would be both more appropriate and productive.

[Wes Tender]

Did he commit a crime or did he simply fabricate the whole thing to help sell a book about as interesting as Delia's how to cheat at cookery book?

 

 

Delia cheats at cookery? I'm devastated, as I've hero worshipped her ever since I was a young lad. And those programmes peeking into her private life showing her praying in her local church; what hypocrisy! I am indebted to you for drawing this to my attention, Nineteen, but almost wish that you hadn't as it so tarnishes her in my eyes and the disappointment you have caused me is palpable. All of her past good cookery programmes are compromised and I will have to overlook them in light of this damning evidence that you have brought to my attention.

 

I will not rest until I have extracted an explanation from her. She has a duty to all those who idolise her. In the meantime, Nineteen, is there any background to your allegations that you can give me? Were the CPS going to prosecute her? Has it ruined her life and upset her family and friends? In retrospect, it was a bad ploy to sell a few measly books when the price she has paid is the loss of her saintly reputation. I expect that Nigella is laughing like a drain - she wouldn't stoop to those depths.

 

What? She has also cheated with her cookery? Stop it! I just can't bear it any longer. Next you'll be trying to tarnish my memories of my footballing idols.

[glkdcdes]

I missed your post asking for questions but I wasn't on much over the weekend and as you read this forum regulalry I'm fairly sure you could have framed some suitable questions yet protect your apparent toady approach.

 

Bland statements seems to be MLT's speciality and I have no sympathy over the aftermath of the betting scam story and the impact on his family as he has been master of his own destiny in that regard. Are you suggesting we should have sympathy for him and his family for the story made up or otherwise and that he has to write another chapter for the paperback? Correction Graham Hiley has to write another chapter. I apologise if I thought MLT came across as a bit flippant or 'oh how we laughed' but that is the way it came across in your OP when MLT said ' well I have to write another chapter for the paperback' - did he say it with a wry smile or with that laid back in his chair jokiness as if he was having a joke with Jeff Stelling?

 

MLT may well have done some charity gigs locally but living outside the area I don't get to hear about most and / or have the time to attend and some of my questions may not be wholly welcomed at a charity event in any case. If not Soccer Saturday which I agree on reflection would be the normal bland straight bat comments why not a local radio phone in where a wider audience could be accomodated and with advertising we may actually get wind of it because as self- important as you are Phil I don't read everything you write.

 

I don't get to many away games as like everything else in life we have to balance our other responsibilities otherwise perhaps I could ask him and the next away game he attends. Any reason why Phil he is attending an away game soon and not home? Is it the ticket costs or something altogether more old fashioned like guilt, shame or simply worried his ego may take a dent after the reception he got at the Millwall game before all this broke?

 

I agree if you don't ask you don't get and that is why I listen intently until what I have asked is answered satisfactorily and that no stone is left unturned. Remember, I didn't give cause to question the integrity of MLT and neither is it my fault your report came across as a juanty little jolly in the Middle East with a friendly and jokey compere.

 

I wonder if the person who compared MLT's deeds to Agassi was happy with the answer? So was it a betting scam? I assume it was becasue of the police taking the case to the CPS and if so did MLT lie about the actual game in the book given it wasn't televised? Surely that question was asked - a fabrication to sell books or an actual event? Us mortals don't even know that and all we do know is the integrity of the man.

 

So do I have to travel to Hartlepool a week on Tuesday or are you going to give us your alcohol fuelled version of events. You seem a bit exclusive as to what you will write and what you wont write perhaps you shouldn't have written anything at all if you exclude the darker stuff because of drink, yet include the froth.

 

I dont post much at all any more on here [to be fair dont have loads to say] but i do read posts quite often. Sometimes, rarely there is an interesting post as Dubai_phils is and sometimes some news from connected supporters.

 

I feel that the forum has been hijacked by posters like nineteencanteen [sorry to be personal] and maybe 4 or 5 others that regular readers will all know, who simply want to peddle there vile opinions. Now as soon as i write this i will get comments fron these select band no doubt. Let me predict phrases like happy clappy, free speach, or even comments alluding to there superior intellect for having such original thought.

 

In the past i have allowed my self to get wound up by these people, which is pointless as they are clearly iether attention seekers or total losers who try to project their misery on to others, any way they can.

 

So, thanks Dubai for a worth while post and mr. nineteen, why dont you go somewhere else.

[saintjay77]

Fair and valid point, deserves a fair answer.

 

I DID consider that, but then the problem was that it would make the report "my interpretation of what Matt said" rather than the "feel of the evening".

 

It crossed my mind that to tell all the punchlines to the jokes rather than to say "there were a lot of anecdites about" would be a bit unfair on others who may get the chance to go out and be entertained one evening.

 

It's like "the worst Saints player other than Ali Dia" answer it actually lasted about 2 minutes while he said well if you accept that this, and that and then you look at the way he did this and then that game at blah blah, is a little different from me saying "he thinks Jon Gittens was almost as bad as Ali Dia!

 

The pre-season training/Alan Ball story was a rollicking good 5 minutes and I already got moaned at that the OP was too long . Heck, the "way" he told it meant that even my G F who's never heard of Dave Beasant or Ian Dowie could immediately understand and see the funny side, just wouldn't have worked in print!

 

I wasnt trying to have a pop bud. I found it fasinating but thought it was funny that I found the questions funny without knowing the answers. lol.

 

If I get the chance to have an evening with MLT I will certainly be taking the opertunity.