Big John Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 Whatever next! Nuclear subs? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5314144/First-woman-joins-Red-Arrows.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 Brilliant, isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2009 Do their planes have mirrors for her to check her make-up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 insurance from Sheilas wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2009 can't wait to see the display over Bournemouth next summer by the chintz arrows, once she has got to work on the soft furnishings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 I'm sure there is a joke in here somewhere about her 'adjusting her flaps' :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 I'm sure she'll be fine. They wouldn't have her there unless she was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2009 I'm surprised to be honest that it has taken so long. Red Arrows, welcome to the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 If they join a nuclear sub then that's it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 12 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2009 If they join a nuclear sub then that's it for me. Would I be right in thinking that people serving on nuclear subs have to agree to some form of anonimity agreement? Would her picture appear in the papers if one ever did get to go down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I'm sure she'll be fine. They wouldn't have her there unless she was brilliant. Actually don't women harp on about how they have to be at least twice as good as any man to get equal oportunities ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 13 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Actually don't women harp on about how they have to be at least twice as good as any man to get equal oportunities ? So, is she some kind of superwoamn? Brilliant, does her Dad own a brewery and does she.....you know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Would I be right in thinking that people serving on nuclear subs have to agree to some form of anonimity agreement? Would her picture appear in the papers if one ever did get to go down there. What with your subsequent post, you're determined to shoe horn in some fellatio related innuendo aren't you? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 We won't do this... Not in the near future anyway or on any class of Red Arrow in service or being built... Thank god to be honest... Would be the end of an effective Red Arrow service for the UK As for women on our Red Arrows... Can imagine a week in to a highly detailed display in highly expensive air show and a women turned round and said she was pregnant and/or had complications.. Never going to happen with any of our Red Arrows in service, in build or planned for build. Even if I did my full time in the Red Arrow service I will never see it... And as I have said. THANK FUK There is not one Pilot I know who used to serve on Red Arrows before women did who say the operational capability got better when women were allowed on infact all say it was the start of the decline In the Red Arrow fleet why are women generally kept away from the specialist elements of the Red Arrows.? Also, do you really think I care what anyone writes on this place. Well those who have never worked in the Red Arrows on display ask yourself this. Why are women kept away from the Red Arrows and Air Shows in general With women... It's not about their capability, as of course this would not be a problem. It is a medical issue added to that if you go down the Farnborough Air Show you would see that you live out of each others pockets in air for example a Red Arrow plane would take around 1 pilot to air and that 1 has 0 sinks, 0 toilets and 0 showers. The sleeping and washing arrangements alone would make it very difficult when you are doing 1 hour display then 6 hours off 1 on, 6 off etc. No let up in that routine for minutes/hours on end it just wonT work or not have an effect on the overall operational capability. Which on a Red Arrow on operations that are mostly on public display is everything.. What do you do with their jam rags? Lol Sweden don't have Red arrows planes which is part of the issue. Also very few countries in the world (us the yanks and the Russians). Are capable of the Air Shows that we do. Which to put on a good show is essential. So verbal and sotonjoe you two seem to be the experts and not me who has been in the job for a decade. Why am I wrong? Why do women not serve on Air Show display teams the world over... Please correct me with the facts. Thanks Xxx The 2 resident experts will tell me I am wrong without having the first clue what they are on about. In a nutshell. When you serve on board a Red Arrow you are flying in close proximity to birds for minutes/hours on end. Not like if you worked in a bird sanctuary where you go home and away from said birds when you finish work. To that end you get subjected to doses of ear-popping as well a other potentionally harmfull atmospheric elements. It is a scientiic fact (which all nations with display teams follow) that the ear-popping received will potentionally cause more harm to the female ears than those of male. It is a fact that the constant dose received over a long period of time could very well caus harm to a womens sensitive ear drum. And that is a risk that no nation is ready to take. There us more to it but that is one reason with regards to the ear-popping on the job. There are plenty of others. Add that to the sleeping and living arrangements on what is a very cramped operational plane Going to air and conducting an air show in public on a Red Arrow is unique and can't be compared to anything else. I could go on but on my iPhone so will leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I'm surprised to be honest that it has taken so long. Red Arrows, welcome to the 21st century. +1 While we're on this topic, It made me laugh when I heard/read people's comments (not on here I hasten to add) to the appointment of the first female poet laureat (sp?): Lord Tennyson will be spinning in his graves - mongs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I'm sure she'll be fine. They wouldn't have her there unless she was brilliant. absolutely, there's no reason what-so-ever for women not being allowed in the red arrows. here in the 21st century, sexism has to be kicked into touch, along with racism. and when new maternity laws are passed in the next year or so entitling men to take lots more leave, then men will be just as likely to request 6 months off work to raise the sproggs. lets go off-topic quickly, I think the women's England cricket team should play the men's cricket team at least once a year. it would be hugely benificial for both, and lets face it, the men have everything to lose. and then this should open the floodgates (oo-pardon) for more unisex sports. if we're going to allow celtic and rangers in the prem, why not go the whole hog and invite the laydeez into more sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 and when new maternity laws are passed in the next year or so entitling men to take lots more leave, then men will be just as likely to request 6 months off work to raise the sproggs. This is a totally different debate, but until I can breast feed there is no way Im going to be allowed (by my wife) to take 6 months off and see her go back to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Whatever next! Nuclear subs? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5314144/First-woman-joins-Red-Arrows.html haha no chance..not in the current or the next generation of submarines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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