Alain Perrin Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 I'm sorry, but the victorian days of management have gone. If that ever happen at a company these days, talented staff would leave and the company would soon "go down the pan". Rubbish. At my company the COO is complete tosser. However, he gets results like you wouldn't believe. No friends, just results. Any company needs a mixture of good cops and bad cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 From what I've been hearing this is a very good thing for the club, staff and fans. it sure is this man was a prize clown it was he who said if your wernt a season ticket holder you wernt a fan regardless of how long youd been handing over your pennies good bye goodriddance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 (edited) AO trod a very fine line between being very good at what he does to the point of being anal, and being a total arrogant pain in the backside with the archetypal public school bully boy persona (maybe not quite that harsh but leaning in that direction). When he very first rocked up on the scene he came to a Basingstoke Saints social evening with Lawrie Mac, Lawrie enthralled us all young and old with his yarns. Then AO took over and totally and utterly misread the tone of the evening and launched into his job interview complete with flip chart and diagrams. He bored the arse off everyone in the room, Lawrie sat there with a face of please do shut up these good people are here on a social evening out not on a lecture tour, for those smart enough to follow the mundane presentation noticed that part of the pitch was AO basically outlining how to extract more money out of the fans without them noticing. First impressions were not very good, for the man who brought the revelation of Far East sponsorship to Everton and offered us the road to endless riches, amazingly he goes through jobs at a rate a knots for someone so great............. Probably his persona and method of presentation wears very thin with everyone not just a bunch of Saints fans enjoying a pleasant night out having to put up with him for 50 minutes. I honestly hope he finds a job that suits him and his abilities soon, otherwise his CV will look a bit shabby. Edited 13 November, 2009 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Wouldn't be surprised to hear Coppell has arrived on Monday.... I have a feeling that you could be right. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Let's not get confused here, especially between "The Back Office Operations" and the "Free tickets for Footballing Legends" arguments. Suggesting that a Commercial Director be replaced with Lawrie is like THE most insane mix up of concepts of how a football business works I've seen.. The two issues are totally separated. Likewise, can't really see a DOF (ie a Coppell) travelling to China to meet manufacturers interested in supplying us goods to sell in the Mega Store... lol An old mantra - the right person in the right job. As an example, to get people into the Boxes you need a Salesman, the "Politician" is the one who adds value with the "meet & greet" service, but will not be the one scouring Google and banging on doors in the recession looking for up and coming companies who could AFFORD the benefits of a box The picture flashed into my mind of LM getting into his Ford Mondeo and visiting 4 or 5 local companies a day 4 days a week to get them to buy the boxes - lol, c'mon gang :-) I had no doubt when NC used the term Transition Team that he felt the need for somebody who knew their way around the club to help make it easier to get up to speed quickly. What I am now sure of is that he has learnt, understood and will no doubt be bringing in somebody that adds value to the business side of the club. From the way the statement is worded I have no doubt that the decision was taken for business performance reasons. The "front office/legend/freebie" debate is for a different day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 The good news just keeps on coming!! The last vestige of Ru*rt and Quisling's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 The good news just keeps on coming!! The last vestige of Ru*rt and Quisling's gone. I think one of the key people who oversaw and allowed financial ruin is still resident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I think one of the key people who oversaw and allowed financial ruin is still resident. Would Financial be the key word in that sentence per chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I think one of the key people who oversaw and allowed financial ruin is still resident. Dave Jones ? Surely he is gone by now, or will depart very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I agree with Duncan but I am more worried than saddened but then I didn't know him personally. Sometimes if a director is disliked by some it's a sign he he is simply doing his job and sometimes it means he is doing it very well. Cortese seems very clever but we are left a bit exposed on the footballing side and a senior person who understands not just the business of football but the footballing culture in this country. To many outsiders at times it must feel like an acquired taste and I personally would have liked a major change like this to occur during the next close season. I'm sure it won't upset the apple cart but nonetheless a time for a modicum of caution than dismissiveness. The club has been saved; the debt has been cleared; attendances are up (even though we are in Div.3); we are unbeaten in 8 games; we are steadily climbing up the table; we are scoring lots of goals; we are playing entertaining football and the pitch looks as good as ever. No, I'm quite happy to let ML & NC do whatever they see fit for this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I heard a story about AO being totally rude to a young girl who works in an office (remains nameless) basically it when along the lines.....do you know who I am? If that is true then good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Dave Jones ? Surely he is gone by now, or will depart very soon. Still there at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Interesting takes on management styles - certainly one person's top guy can be his neighbour's nemesis. Generally, in my experience (I run a medium size company that has both added to & unloaded companies in it's folio) when a new company is taken over we have a reasonable idea of how it has been run & a reasonable idea of where it fits in to our own structure & plans for the future. As the takeover process rarely can involve all the management (many would only find out when the deal is completed & announced) it makes sense both for continuity & evaluation to work with the staff until it's clearer what needs to be done. I'd be pretty sure that is what is happening in this case. So far the record of appointments is exceptional (in my humble opinion) so I would continue to have faith in the ability of senior management to make good decisions. As Dubai Phil says - the Lawrie debate is a totally separate issue but I'd also have faith that the management of a company that relies on the goodwill & continued custom of its' fan base would be sensitive to those fans - & the commercial value of it's icons! Lawrie, MLT, Franny & their like are, in addition to being heroes of mine & most clear thinking Saints fans, have huge commercial value & provide a 'good feeling' link with the heritage of the club. I'm thinking they know what they are doing & loving the results of that - I haven't felt this good about being a Saints fan for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Dave Jones ? Surely he is gone by now, or will depart very soon. Dave Jones is definately still with us, I him saw him in the Hospitality area will Nicola Cortese before the Orient game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I honestly hope he finds a job that suits him and his abilities soon, otherwise his CV will look a bit shabby. But Oldknow's type see themselves as trouble-shooters, who goes into ailing companies and helps turn them around and his CV will be worded thus! I have encountered several of bosses of his ilk and they do it rather successfully but in truth, they always manage to get out before they are found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 (edited) Interesting takes on management styles - certainly one person's top guy can be his neighbour's nemesis. Generally, in my experience (I run a medium size company that has both added to & unloaded companies in it's folio) when a new company is taken over we have a reasonable idea of how it has been run & a reasonable idea of where it fits in to our own structure & plans for the future. As the takeover process rarely can involve all the management (many would only find out when the deal is completed & announced) it makes sense both for continuity & evaluation to work with the staff until it's clearer what needs to be done. I'd be pretty sure that is what is happening in this case. So far the record of appointments is exceptional (in my humble opinion) so I would continue to have faith in the ability of senior management to make good decisions. As Dubai Phil says - the Lawrie debate is a totally separate issue but I'd also have faith that the management of a company that relies on the goodwill & continued custom of its' fan base would be sensitive to those fans - & the commercial value of it's icons! Lawrie, MLT, Franny & their like are, in addition to being heroes of mine & most clear thinking Saints fans, have huge commercial value & provide a 'good feeling' link with the heritage of the club. I'm thinking they know what they are doing & loving the results of that - I haven't felt this good about being a Saints fan for years! May I say Sir, that is one of the most intelligent posts I've read on here in what must be many moons. I completely agree with your points. I would also like to suggest that perhaps there was also an agreement that AO stay on to oversee transition and then left amicably after a defined period of time (with a decent contribution to his pension). Edited 13 November, 2009 by Saint Fan CaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Dave Jones is definately still with us, I him saw him in the Hospitality area will Nicola Cortese before the Orient game Bizarre. The man has more lives than a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Bizarre. The man has more lives than a cat. Or is thought well of by all he has been answerable to ? if he was no good at what he did, considering the position he holds in one of the first departments scrutinised by new management, he would have got the bullet some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Bizarre. The man has more lives than a cat. I think he is just the "invisible bean-counter" who does as he was told from above. I don't ever recall him having any say in club policy - Fiscal or otherwise so maybe he could still be on his first life.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Or is thought well of by all he has been answerable to ? if he was no good at what he did, considering the position he holds in one of the first departments scrutinised by new management, he would have got the bullet some time ago. He stood by and did nothing while the club fell into admin. He wasnt the clubs accountant. He is a club DIRECTOR, FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Assuming Nicola reads this forum i wonder what his judgement would be on you. I would imagine he regards you and your warped views like the vast majority that post on here. Lawrie is manager that brought us good times and decent Saints fans hold him in high regard. Matt Le Tissier is a legend. A hero to all Saints fans. Leon Crouch wears his heart on his sleeve, made some mistakes, but everyone recognises that he cares passionately about Saints and that he is a good man. Yet you spend your pitiful life posting on here slagging all of the above mentioned people off. At the same time you worship the most hated man in the history of Southampton FC. So 19C what do you suppose Nicola's opinion would be of you? Not that I am agreeing with either of you but I can see both's point of view. Lawrie will always be a saints legend for what he did in the past. What he did after that I would prefer not to recall to much of. So remembered fondly for the FA Cup and a team on the up and leave it there for me. I would be interested to see what role NC might wish to have Lawrie back at the club as if any but im guessing it would be more of a nostalgic role than anything more impacting. I can see the point on LeTiss too as before lending his name to a couple of Jokers his saints record was pretty much faultless. I feel sorry for him for getting it wrong but will never hold anything againsts him for backing the wrong horse. He was sucked in as much as many of us at a time when we all wanted a miracle. The main shareholder argument will never die I think as people will always bring it up just to have a pop at someone who used to support one side or another. IMO none of the 3 were worth backing on there own and none of them cared enough about the club to work together to try and save it. So with hindsight the best outcome happened and they all lost out and the fans got owners that seem to want things done right and proper. If we never make it back to the top flight but always do things the right way it will be a pleasure to support our team every season. NC if he ever reads any of these posts would probably think there are mixed views on the past, present and future. But thats to be expected with anything and everything so I doubt he will single out anyone as anything more than just saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 He stood by and did nothing while the club fell into admin. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 He stood by and did nothing while the club fell into admin. He wasnt the clubs accountant. He is a club DIRECTOR, FFS. If he had failed in his duties then the administrator would have had to report on that failure, do you think for one minute Lowe, Wilde, Crouch would have said "you are right Dave, we will do as you say" ?? I am sure, in private, he would have expressed his concerns on a frequent basis to those 'running' the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Rubbish. At my company the COO is complete tosser. However, he gets results like you wouldn't believe. No friends, just results. Any company needs a mixture of good cops and bad cops. Sorry, not in the industry I work in. All it does is bred contempt, lowers productivity and good people leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 How do you know this? He may not have stood by and let it happen but If he were doing his job properly he would have resisted the excess spending and if the Execs went ahead and ignored his advice, he should have either made sure that it was minuted that he was being over ruled or if he had more gumption, offered his resignation. The guy is a yes man and as culpable as any of the other to$$ers that brought out club to its knees! All IMHO of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Heard the rumours.....never knew the truth.....would be a lot more concerned if one of the key players had left than a pen pusher. Bit of a non story, really imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoateallthepies Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 I can only go on what the Echo says, I am no ITK.QUOTE] I am, having had to deal with him on a few unfortunate occasions. He was a t**t; simple as that. No manners, no time for supporters, rubbish at getting corporates involved, thought he was good at PR games when he was actually just annoying people and several staff I knew at the time were hoping he would eventaully come undone. Contributed nothing to the club except reducing its bank balance. It would appear he was sacked by Everton for 'reasons unknown' and his departure from Saints should be welcomed and celebrated. He and Lowe were separated at birth. Good riddance and please don't ever come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 It could open the door for the return of Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 In a way I am personally a little saddened by the news because although he had a bad reputation with some of the staff I felt AO was a "football" man and also he showed a genuine interest in the history and traditions of the club when we held our one meeting on the future role for Hagiology and the club's 125th anniversary. I can't agree with you on the football man side of things Dunc. I had a lot of dealings with Andy during the Saints Trust/FOTB fiasco and I didn't think he understood the fans at all. He saw the fans as a means to an end rather than supporters. A market to exploit. Having said that, I never found him unpleasant to deal with, a bit single minded perhaps and that was no bad thing, but in the same breath during his last stint at the club a lot of good people left because they couldn't stand working with him. I didn't get to speak with him during his second stint and don't know the reasons he left, but he does seem to do a lot of short spells at loads of different football clubs. A sort of journeyman exec if you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 It could open the door for the return of Lowe. Now thats just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Now thats just plain silly. Your the only one that bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Assuming Nicola reads this forum i wonder what his judgement would be on you. I would imagine he regards you and your warped views like the vast majority that post on here. Lawrie is manager that brought us good times and decent Saints fans hold him in high regard. Matt Le Tissier is a legend. A hero to all Saints fans. Leon Crouch wears his heart on his sleeve, made some mistakes, but everyone recognises that he cares passionately about Saints and that he is a good man. Yet you spend your pitiful life posting on here slagging all of the above mentioned people off. At the same time you worship the most hated man in the history of Southampton FC. So 19C what do you suppose Nicola's opinion would be of you? Why is it a point worthy of debate? Am I of some threat to Southanpton FC or the future or Mr Cortese? He's a clever bloke but I doubt he as a view on the thousands of ST holders this club has or unlike you considers it necessary. I can easily contest your personal (not every Saints fans) comments on the less than holy trinity but shooting fish a barrel gets a bit boring after a while. Still even you write in the past tense except for MLT and you forget to stress he was a hero to all Saints fans until he decided to tarnish that image quite badly IMO. He is no Niall Quinn that's for sure and despite all the support this club gave him he decided to take 'Le Tiss' out of it. As public relations go - not his finest hours and still not a word from him and he continues to pedal around the circuit as if nothing happened. Great footballer but not such a great man IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Sorry, not in the industry I work in. All it does is bred contempt, lowers productivity and good people leave. But that is usually the view of those on the 'shop floor' who simply want to go to work pick up their pay and leave. People who buy into the company and its operating environment tend to have a more realistic and understanding approach to decision making. The recent postal strikes being a case in point. Your mate isn't always an example of 'good people' and young people coming in better trainied and better educated are sometimes the answer if the established don't see them as a threat and choose to work with them. I have read and heard responses like yours so many times and usually its just sour grapes and a failure to move with the times. Managers are their to run the business and get results just like football and I don't suppose Ferguson holds back from making unpopular decisions for fear of not being liked. He makes them in the best interests of the club not the individual. The only time I have experienced 'touchy feely' management is in the Civil Service an how many billions have been wasted in the NHS and the MOD for starters on failed IT projects? It's because they are run behind the front line in a 'comfort zone' instead of having some focussed and hardnosed directors and project managers in there and dictating the show and managing deadlines and staff accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Your the only one that bit. It would be a disaster but just for the reaction of old BS himself the re-appointment of Lowe would be one of comedy genius. This place would implode, Baj woudl have to plug into servers bigger than GCHQ to support the short ciruiting spittle that would spray henceforth. Won't happen will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 It would be a disaster but just for the reaction of old BS himself the re-appointment of Lowe would be one of comedy genius. Not as much comedy as watching you tip toe into every discussion or argument, contradict yourself, back peddle, move on and drag up your same old same old points in an entirely different thread that as usual bears no relation to your ramblings whilst at the same time deliberately mis-interpreting what anyone you consider below you has to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Still even you write in the past tense except for MLT and you forget to stress he was a hero to all Saints fans until he decided to tarnish that image quite badly IMO. He is no Niall Quinn that's for sure and despite all the support this club gave him he decided to take 'Le Tiss' out of it. As public relations go - not his finest hours and still not a word from him and he continues to pedal around the circuit as if nothing happened. Great footballer but not such a great man IMO. You'll be pleased to hear the book is selling well. Saw it in the chart of WHSmith in Southsea yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Sorry, not in the industry I work in. All it does is bred contempt, lowers productivity and good people leave. Touchy feely is fine if you are in social work, teaching or group therapy. Man up. This is business. Different world Missed your sales targets? "Awww... come and have a hug", rarely works. In my experience you need a mix, in the example I gave, the current CEO is the 'good cop' (he's the friendly guy, your buddy, the man with the personality), current COO is the 'bad cop' (the terrier who the CEO sends in to sort out crap and tear someone a new arsehole). Damn right I'd leave if the Bad Cop became CEO, but in balance it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 You'll be pleased to hear the book is selling well. Saw it in the chart of WHSmith in Southsea yesterday. In the low 70's the last I looked of the hot bed of sales the hardback non fiction chart. How much was marked off 70%, 50%? Doubt he has barely covered his publishing costs not to mention legal costs that I assume he must have endured when the police took the case to the CPS. I suppose there may be an argument for recharting it as a work of fiction then I think it may struggle to even register in the top 500, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Not as much comedy as watching you tip toe into every discussion or argument, contradict yourself, back peddle, move on and drag up your same old same old points in an entirely different thread that as usual bears no relation to your ramblings whilst at the same time deliberately mis-interpreting what anyone you consider below you has to say Sorry you need to speak up I can't hear you down there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 'not to mention legal costs that I assume he must have endured when the police took the case to the CPS.' There would be no legal cost to MLT while the police went to the CPS - Had they found that there was a case to answer then it would have become very expensive - possibly even enough to put a dent in the revenue from the extra sales generated by the publicity over it! Not defending the issue but applauding the sales initiative :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 (edited) Wasn't Oldknow the guy that Hone & Hoo's ect made a director just before they were kicked out? Edited 13 November, 2009 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Wasn't Oldknow the guy that Hone & Hoo's ect made a director just before they were kicked out meaning he got a nice big pay-off, milking more money out of an already cash strapped club? Is this rhetorical ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Is this rhetorical ? no, I don't know anything, just wondered if anyone else was ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Let's not get confused here, especially between "The Back Office Operations" and the "Free tickets for Footballing Legends" arguments. Suggesting that a Commercial Director be replaced with Lawrie is like THE most insane mix up of concepts of how a football business works I've seen.. The two issues are totally separated. Likewise, can't really see a DOF (ie a Coppell) travelling to China to meet manufacturers interested in supplying us goods to sell in the Mega Store... lol An old mantra - the right person in the right job. As an example, to get people into the Boxes you need a Salesman, the "Politician" is the one who adds value with the "meet & greet" service, but will not be the one scouring Google and banging on doors in the recession looking for up and coming companies who could AFFORD the benefits of a box The picture flashed into my mind of LM getting into his Ford Mondeo and visiting 4 or 5 local companies a day 4 days a week to get them to buy the boxes - lol, c'mon gang :-) I had no doubt when NC used the term Transition Team that he felt the need for somebody who knew their way around the club to help make it easier to get up to speed quickly. What I am now sure of is that he has learnt, understood and will no doubt be bringing in somebody that adds value to the business side of the club. From the way the statement is worded I have no doubt that the decision was taken for business performance reasons. The "front office/legend/freebie" debate is for a different day I think you are right on this. It seems to me that as the club is now owned by one individual there is no longer the need to have several high powered directors/executives. NC is the full time CEO and can run the business with a team of department managers as opposed to 'directors'. I am sure AO wants a high profile, highly paid position and this is no longer something SFC can offer. I also believe this change is another vote of confidence in AP regarding footballing matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Is this rhetorical ? Correct. AO was made a director to out-vote the likes of Crouch and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 But that is usually the view of those on the 'shop floor' who simply want to go to work pick up their pay and leave. People who buy into the company and its operating environment tend to have a more realistic and understanding approach to decision making. The recent postal strikes being a case in point. Your mate isn't always an example of 'good people' and young people coming in better trainied and better educated are sometimes the answer if the established don't see them as a threat and choose to work with them. I have read and heard responses like yours so many times and usually its just sour grapes and a failure to move with the times. Managers are their to run the business and get results just like football and I don't suppose Ferguson holds back from making unpopular decisions for fear of not being liked. He makes them in the best interests of the club not the individual. The only time I have experienced 'touchy feely' management is in the Civil Service an how many billions have been wasted in the NHS and the MOD for starters on failed IT projects? It's because they are run behind the front line in a 'comfort zone' instead of having some focussed and hardnosed directors and project managers in there and dictating the show and managing deadlines and staff accordingly. It's probably a cultural thing too, working for european pharma companies there is none of the autocratic or 'touchy feely' management styles. Responsibility is taken seriously whatever level, perhaps it's a can do attitude rather than being given instructions as to a way something needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 John - in short No - now he has gone we are back to square 1. Job for you Duncan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Glad he's gone. Oldknow seemed to be a dubious character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Bring back Woggy FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 November, 2009 Share Posted 13 November, 2009 Is this the first time that the SaintsWeb forum has had no stickies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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