Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 does anyone actually care?? seriously, why do they get so much media attention...they are all a bit sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I don't care so much that I am going to write about it on an internet messageboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 The "fake" Saints protest that was mentioned on the mainboard a few weeks ago would have gotten coverage from bbc I think. And some other station as well. But the reason they are getting attention is that the media opinion on the rich foreign owners seem to have taken a turn for the worse. They don't like them anymore and so a group protesting against them is a good newsitem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 The "fake" Saints protest that was mentioned on the mainboard a few weeks ago would have gotten coverage from bbc I think. And some other station as well. But the reason they are getting attention is that the media opinion on the rich foreign owners seem to have taken a turn for the worse. They don't like them anymore and so a group protesting against them is a good newsitem. And this isn't that though is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 The "fake" Saints protest that was mentioned on the mainboard a few weeks ago would have gotten coverage from bbc I think. And some other station as well. But the reason they are getting attention is that the media opinion on the rich foreign owners seem to have taken a turn for the worse. They don't like them anymore and so a group protesting against them is a good newsitem. Last time I checked, Mike Ashley was English I think it's more a case of Keegan being a media favourite, along with the debate over whether the director of football role can work in this country. It clearly CAN work, but you need the right person employed in that role. Dennis Wise is very clearly not the right person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Last time I checked, Mike Ashley was English I think it's more a case of Keegan being a media favourite, along with the debate over whether the director of football role can work in this country. It clearly CAN work, but you need the right person employed in that role. Dennis Wise is very clearly not the right person. I assume from that comment that you interviewed him for a DoF position at another club and rejected him?? :-) TBF I don't think it is so much a Dennis Wise thing as a personality issue with regard to Mike Ashley being a self made man. Entrepreneurs like him are driven hard arsed and more often then not lucky to have the right ideas at the right time and the energy to make it work. What they often are very BAD at is delegation, communication skills and processes. While "consensus" is a bad management tool, open and clear communications is a good tool. You simply CANNOT employ a "Big Personality" and then put handcuffs on them. I think Ashley is just out of his depth, a hard arsed egotist in a world of ego's angles and media luvvies. He COULD have shared his structure and vision and processes with Keegan, but didn't, he just appointed Wise and sort of forgot to tell King Kev, and why? because he doesn't trust anyone person to spend his own money..... Whether Wise is any good or not is irrelevant, the damage had been done long ago and this was always going to be the outcome.. (To be honest there are quite a few parallels between the "coming into football from business so make bad decisions approach" made by an arrogant, self made, media savvy chairman with another club back in the late 90's and early 2000's. One of them seems to have learned a bit but needed a good kicking. Think Ashley's about to get his) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Dennis Wise is a horrible dwarf tw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I assume from that comment that you interviewed him for a DoF position at another club and rejected him?? :-) A director of football role is generally performed by someone with a long track record in club management and particularly in the transfer market. At least that's the idea, anyway! Wise is relatively inexperienced in both, particularly given the sums of money involved in Premier League transfers. You simply CANNOT employ a "Big Personality" and then put handcuffs on them. Wise himself wasn't employed at the time, but the reason Redknapp didn't take the job was because Ashley's intention was to appoint a director of football to control the transfers, so Keegan must have been similarly informed. Perhaps he thought "yeah yeah, I'll believe it when I see it", and if that is the case (which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest) then he only has himself to blame for not paying attention to what Ashley said he was going to do. I think Ashley is just out of his depth, a hard arsed egotist in a world of ego's angles and media luvvies. He COULD have shared his structure and vision and processes with Keegan, but didn't, he just appointed Wise and sort of forgot to tell King Kev, and why? because he doesn't trust anyone person to spend his own money..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equalizer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I assume from that comment that you interviewed him for a DoF position at another club and rejected him?? :-) TBF I don't think it is so much a Dennis Wise thing as a personality issue with regard to Mike Ashley being a self made man. Entrepreneurs like him are driven hard arsed and more often then not lucky to have the right ideas at the right time and the energy to make it work. What they often are very BAD at is delegation, communication skills and processes. While "consensus" is a bad management tool, open and clear communications is a good tool. You simply CANNOT employ a "Big Personality" and then put handcuffs on them. I think Ashley is just out of his depth, a hard arsed egotist in a world of ego's angles and media luvvies. He COULD have shared his structure and vision and processes with Keegan, but didn't, he just appointed Wise and sort of forgot to tell King Kev, and why? because he doesn't trust anyone person to spend his own money..... Whether Wise is any good or not is irrelevant, the damage had been done long ago and this was always going to be the outcome.. (To be honest there are quite a few parallels between the "coming into football from business so make bad decisions approach" made by an arrogant, self made, media savvy chairman with another club back in the late 90's and early 2000's. One of them seems to have learned a bit but needed a good kicking. Think Ashley's about to get his) I think what Steve was saying is that as a manager you don't really want a DoF who is also a qualified manager, especially one who could stab you in the back at any time and take your job. Ideally you want a DoF who hasn't got coaching badges. For all we know Wise could have been telling Ashley that its not working with KK and that he'd be better in the role etc. Keegan didn't do himself any favours by admitting that he hadn't watched one match since he'd left his last job, what was it 3 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 September, 2008 lol...just seen some of them on telly...what a bunch of morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equalizer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 1-0 Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Lets all laugh at Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equalizer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7613887.stm Do my eyes decieve me or is that a Transvestite holding that placard at the bottom of the page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi_sopez Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 lol newcaslte so sh!t, i really want to see hulls kit apparantly the ref banned there away kit, so they have had to borrow a kit! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equalizer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 2-0 Hull. LOL :smt026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 (edited) lol newcaslte so sh!t, i really want to see hulls kit apparantly the ref banned there away kit, so they have had to borrow a kit! lol Black shirts and white shorts,well,possibly flint shirts,you can see for yourself on JustinTv.2-1 Hull. Edited 13 September, 2008 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Danny Guthrie sent off for two pretty rash kick outs at the hull player,it looked a completely stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Yep, but the point is despite not likeing their chairman they all still turned up and supported our team, unlike some saints fans who seem to use Rupert Lowe as an excuse for not coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 I like Newcastle and KK.Although I feel a bit sorry for them having Ashley and a **** like Wise involved,it amazes me that their supporters are blind to the fact KK has been **** poor since returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 September, 2008 Share Posted 15 September, 2008 What a bunch of retards they are. "Now Keegans gone, my life is ruined". F*cking mug. Does anyone else remember that fan who said, when Keegan signed as manager; "we've captured the hearts of the nation". Actually you northern b*stard, nobody cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 15 September, 2008 Share Posted 15 September, 2008 Yep, but the point is despite not likeing their chairman they all still turned up and supported our team, unlike some saints fans who seem to use Rupert Lowe as an excuse for not coming. Geordies In Switching Allegiance To Saints Shocker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 15 September, 2008 Share Posted 15 September, 2008 Geordies In Switching Allegiance To Saints Shocker? My typing will be the death of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 15 September, 2008 Share Posted 15 September, 2008 My typing will be the death of me Only if they put you in charge of the nuclear codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 Have you not heard? Newcastle fans are just behind P*mpey in the 'Best Fans' stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 A rather excellent article on the subject... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4761813.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 A rather excellent article on the subject... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4761813.ece You can predict the Newcastle fan's reactions to the article without even having to read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 A load of them were singing "shoes off if you love Keegan"..... cue hundreds of trainers being waived in the air... Very odd bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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