Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I can't help but think that once again the paying fan is getting royaly screwed. Ticket prices will go up even more and it is going to cost a fortune to get to Ireland for that away game. Even if Gartside is now saying that there will be promotions/relegations to the Championship from the second Prem tier, how long before that is changed? In my opinion, it is just managers/chairmen of two-bit tin pot clubs trying to get a slice of the 'big time'. Football used to be a working man's sport, and now it's being sold off to the highest bidder/JCL hospitality box loving crowd without a shred of decency. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8353937.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 "might invite an Irish franchise"..... Since when were football clubs franchises ? I know MK Dons uprooted themselves, but would fans put up with the sort of system the NFL has, with clubs moving around the country chasing financial inducements ? ( Hang on, now I understand why Bagpuss is supportive ... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 The Sky money would make both Celtic and Rangers big clubs in the league so if the number of teams in the PL stay the same Bolton would suffer. I wonder what UEFA would do if it gets approved by the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombletomble Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I am very against these proposals. However, this did raise a smile this morning. Look at the last line of the original comment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A59485044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 "might invite an Irish franchise"..... Since when were football clubs franchises ? I know MK Dons uprooted themselves, but would fans put up with the sort of system the NFL has, with clubs moving around the country chasing financial inducements ? ( Hang on, now I understand why Bagpuss is supportive ... ) Ah, but you see you're not thinking properly... There are huge swathes of the country without access to a Live PL game, so they should vote in the proposals and put up a huge mega stadium for "The West County", We'll put another tier on top of SMS and become Solent City, The Millenium Sheep can play their home games in Cardiff, they can have The East Anglians, in fact, they should get a map, place pins in it and make sure that every citizen lives no further than 80 miles from a Stadium with PL football.. Then of course they can shut down Everton, Man City, Spurs, Wolves Birmingham as they won't need two teams in each city, it would dilute the gate receipts Of course, they'll still moan, because all the loverly new money will be going in even higher salaries to untalented bling wearing, womenbeating footballers.... Who let fookin businessmen into Football? It was and will always be far more than "A Business" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 hope this doesnt happen. The prem is already widely regarded as the best league, why go changing it? If Rangers and Celtic joined, what would happen to scottish football. Smaller clubs in the scots prem rely on the revenue from celtic and rangers games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I am very against these proposals. However, this did raise a smile this morning. Look at the last line of the original comment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A59485044 "Should Portsmouth be absorbed by a bigger club like Southampton" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Actually, thinking this through even more, I like this. If they let the Jocks into our league then surely with all things being equal under EU law, surely next season we could just up sticks and join the Portugese League. How much better would THAT be - a nice midweek game in the Algarve instead of Hartlepool, all that winter sunshine instead of the rain at Brizzle. Hell they'd have to expand Southampton International, FlyBe would have to get some A380's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I wonder what UEFA would do if it gets approved by the PL. Isn't there a rule about teams playing in european competitions having to come from the country they represent, and this prevents Cardiff or Swansea playing in europe if they qualify through the PL or the FA Cup ? In which case, that would screw Celtic or Rangers european ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Isn't there a rule about teams playing in european competitions having to come from the country they represent, and this prevents Cardiff or Swansea playing in europe if they qualify through the PL or the FA Cup ? In which case, that would screw Celtic or Rangers european ambitions. No, they confirmed that Cardiff would have been allowed to play in Europe if they had managed to beat the Skates in the cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 No, they confirmed that Cardiff would have been allowed to play in Europe if they had managed to beat the Skates in the cup final. Well hopefully they can revoke that decision should Garside's stupid plan come close to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I can't help but think that once again the paying fan is getting royaly screwed. Ticket prices will go up even more and it is going to cost a fortune to get to Ireland for that away game. Even if Gartside is now saying that there will be promotions/relegations to the Championship from the second Prem tier, how long before that is changed? In my opinion, it is just managers/chairmen of two-bit tin pot clubs trying to get a slice of the 'big time'. Football used to be a working man's sport, and now it's being sold off to the highest bidder/JCL hospitality box loving crowd without a shred of decency. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8353937.stm Absolutely. Unfortunately there are too many tin-pot clubs in the Premier League at the moment who have to stretch beyond their means to try to stay there. Rather than address the real issue (lack of financial controls, inadequate cascading of money through the pyramid, the interests of the clubs being mislaigned with the interests of the sport etc...) they prefer to create a tighter little cabal. I support his proposals provided that Bolton, Hull, Wigan, Fulham, Portsmouth, Birmingham City and Blackburn Rovers are mandatorily removed from the new league and replaced with Derby, Notts Forest, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Saints, Norwich and Newcastle. Seems fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 "Should Portsmouth be absorbed by a bigger club like Southampton" Brilliant!!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Celtic and Rangrs have as much right to be in the Pl as Werder bremen or FCBasle 2 clubs would be sacrificed to parachute them in . Is Gartside going to do the honourable thing and accept Boltons relegation in order to help make way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 So would the CCC be replaced by the prem second tier? I think thats how it is.. And we would be in the 3rd tier, one below the 2nd prem tier? (league 1 as it is now). Could league 1 teams be promoted to the second prem tier? Surely all this would do is focus sky's mega money onto the prem first tier and things would stay much the same as they are now, jsut with a bloated championship and scottish mongs raping pigieons in london on a saterday afternoon. Why change it at all? Its just a **** case of renaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I don't think that this would be sanctioned by UEFA. If the Premier League went against UEFA on this our clubs would probably be banned from Europe, maybe even our national side would be banned as well. I hope it won't happen. It's just odious turds like Gartside who want to prevent his club from ever being banished to the lower leagues when his club is eventually skint. I can't see Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City agreeing to this, why would they? It would make it more difficult to qualify for Europe. I hope Platini is quick to nip this sh*te in the bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Shameless plug, but I wrote about this the other day. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/view_from_the_chapel/4733175.A_closed_shop_is_bad_for_business/ IMO, it's a stupid idea and will do more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Looks to me like the top men in PL football are trying to turn us into an NFL kind of set up. All us little clubs are basically college footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 The Sky money would make both Celtic and Rangers big clubs in the league so if the number of teams in the PL stay the same Bolton would suffer. I wonder what UEFA would do if it gets approved by the PL. Actually i think you will find it protects a club like Bolton, they move into a second tier of the PL, meaning they don;t have fixtures as tough as playing the top 4, and if you in the top tier, relegation means less of an impact on the club. Personally, Celtic and Rangers can stay where they are and we should leave the system as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 (edited) I said this before but this is Gartside as a turkey voting for Christmas. A "Premiership 2" with Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham, Forest, Middlesboro and yes Saints is simply not a Premiership 2. It's just a different version of the championship. Nationally no-one would be interested any more than they are interested in the CCC now. Who really cares about Wigan v Pompey or Bolton v Stoke now outside of the respective fanbases? Internationally no-one would give a flying bo lloc k. If there is a league serving up variations of Man v Chelsea v Liverpool v Spurs v Rangers v Arsenal v Celtic week in, week out then that's what they'll have. They'll live without that league with Bolton in, thanks. Sky would pay over the odds for Prem 1, and farm off Prem 2 to some mug broadcaster to bankrupt themselves on it. Hello ITV Digital, Hello Setanta. In the cycle of one TV deal Prem 1 will be the Prem, Prem 2 will be nowhere. Gartside will be left with a much smaller slice of a much smaller pie. He's a moron. Edited 11 November, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 on top of that, the costs for some of those fans travelling to Scotland and vice versa would be ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I said this before but this is Gartside as a turkey voting for Christmas. A "Premiership 2" with Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham, Forest, Middlesboro and yes Saints is simply not a Premiership 2. It's just a different version of the championship. Nationally no-one would be interested any more than they are interested in the CCC now. Who really cares about Wigan v Pompey or Bolton v Stoke now outside of the respective fanbases? Internationally no-one would give a flying bo lloc k. If there is a league serving up variations of Man v Chelsea v Liverpool v Spurs v Rangers v Arsenal v Celtic week in, week out then that's what they'll have. They'll live without that league with Bolton in, thanks. Sky would pay over the odds for Prem 1, and farm off Prem 2 to some mug broadcaster to bankrupt themselves on it. Hello ITV Digital, Hello Setanta. In the cycle of one TV deal Prem 1 will be the Prem, Prem 2 will be nowhere. Gartside will be left with a much smaller slice of a much smaller pie. He's a moron. I think Gartside's plan would be that the revenue would be shared by all the teams in Prem 1 and Prem 2. Why not do this now Phil, you greedy c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 I think Gartside's plan would be that the revenue would be shared by all the teams in Prem 1 and Prem 2. Why not do this now Phil, you greedy c*nt. But it won't work like that. The Prem games are already packaged up to the TV companies now - ie all the games between the big four, plus Spurs v Arse, Man U v Man C etc are in the top twenty (and always on Sky) all the way down to the low grade dregs games which tend to be Stoke v Liverpool, Fulham v Man U, Spurs v Blackburn (and on Setanta or ESPN) etc. That's why Setanta failed - they had games that the Sky subscriber in the main thought "yeah, I can live without them". So in the shakedown Sky would overbid for the P1 games and underbid for P2 leaving it for some Mug channel to lose their shirt on. The next round of TV deals would then see P1 get stronger and P2 get weaker because by then it will be explicitly clear that, for Chelsea, sharing their TV revenue with Bolton becomes an even bigger nonsense than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 But it won't work like that. The Prem games are already packaged up to the TV companies now - ie all the games between the big four, plus Spurs v Arse, Man U v Man C etc are in the top twenty (and always on Sky) all the way down to the low grade dregs games which tend to be Stoke v Liverpool, Fulham v Man U, Spurs v Blackburn (and on Setanta or ESPN) etc. That's why Setanta failed - they had games that the Sky subscriber in the main thought "yeah, I can live without them". So in the shakedown Sky would overbid for the P1 games and underbid for P2 leaving it for some Mug channel to lose their shirt on. The next round of TV deals would then see P1 get stronger and P2 get weaker because by then it will be explicitly clear that, for Chelsea, sharing their TV revenue with Bolton becomes an even bigger nonsense than it is now. Whichever way you look at it, it's either morally bankrupt or financially bankrupt. It would be interesting to see what sort of response Gartside gets. Hopefully the big f*ck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Whichever way you look at it, it's either morally bankrupt or financially bankrupt. It would be interesting to see what sort of response Gartside gets. Hopefully the big f*ck off. the fact that we are in england....... it SHOULD get a hugely hostile reaction.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 the fact that we are in england....... it SHOULD get a hugely hostile reaction.... Just to play Devil's advocate for a moment, no-one cares about Berwick playing in Scotland or Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham playing in England. In terms of cold hard facts, why would Celtic and Rangers playing in England be any different to those arrangements mentioned above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Yes, I wonder if Gartside realises the irony in suggesting Bolton as a club 'big enough' for the Premier League 2 tiered system? (Arguably, they aren't - so I wonder how he'd feel if they were demoted?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 We should also get a couple of American NFL teams. They might struggle at first because of the handball laws but I'm sure they'd soon adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Why do people have to change something that has worked for years? It's nonsense to say the plan is to "expand" the premier league into two leagues of 18. That reducing the size of the premier league and renaming and reducing the size of the championship. We already put up with silly names for our leagues, let's not ruin the format too. 20 teams is just right. You can guarantee if it went to 18 games, season ticket prices wouldn't go down. Where does it end? I hate to think how I'd ever afford to get to a game if saints were in the premiership. To be honest, it's not working! We have far too many professional clubs in this country for them all to continue to be financially viable. We very nearly went out of business in the summer and it was really only the fact that we are a "largish" city team with good fan-base and decent facilities that made us worth saving. In the next 10 years I can see certain clubs being in that position, who are not so lucky and the only way they will continue to exist, will be to go semi-professional or even amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 To be honest, it's not working! We have far too many professional clubs in this country for them all to continue to be financially viable. We very nearly went out of business in the summer and it was really only the fact that we are a "largish" city team with good fan-base and decent facilities that made us worth saving. In the next 10 years I can see certain clubs being in that position, who are not so lucky and the only way they will continue to exist, will be to go semi-professional or even amateur. Yet this was not a major issue when revenues were shared more fairly between the top four divisions, yet is when more money than ever is being poured into the top division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Do it like the American Football in the States. Prem North (inc Scotland) - 16 teams Prem South (Inc Wales) - 16 teams Top 4 from each go into a Super Prem League at the end of the season with 1 Super Duper Prem Winner. Bottom 2 from each go into Relo Playoffs along with the 5th and 6th place CCC sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Do it like the American Football in the States. Prem North (inc Scotland) - 16 teams Prem South (Inc Wales) - 16 teams Top 4 from each go into a Super Prem League at the end of the season with 1 Super Duper Prem Winner. Bottom 2 from each go into Relo Playoffs along with the 5th and 6th place CCC sides. ha...that would not be daft as it sounds.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 ha...that would not be daft as it sounds.....lol I know, as I was typing it, i kept going "oh, thats not a bad idea"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 just cant see it working as a 'closed shop'.. I think Celtic and Rangers may well be invited down but into the CCC.. where they at the mo, would struggle like ****..... just wait till 2 lower league clubs go out of business and celtic and rangers take their place in our 92 team set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 just wait till 2 lower league clubs go out of business and celtic and rangers take their place in our 92 team set up Hmmm, all we need is a team in Blue to go out of business soon.... nope, cant think of one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Hmmm, all we need is a team in Blue to go out of business soon.... nope, cant think of one... hahaha..I had better go and have a word with myself, it did not even occur to me when I was typing that.. THAT though, would be their way in.....2 teams go out of business in england and they "take their place".... right now, they would get a real rude awakening in the CCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 If those Scottish ****s get in the Prem I will give up watching football for good. Almost as daft as that 39th game idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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