equalizer Posted 12 September, 2008 Share Posted 12 September, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/3670075.Mother_pleads_for_little_Kailin_s_grave_to_be_left_alone_by_thieves/ Has society really sunk this low now? Why are people so detached from other peoples feelings? :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundance Beast Posted 12 September, 2008 Share Posted 12 September, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/3670075.Mother_pleads_for_little_Kailin_s_grave_to_be_left_alone_by_thieves/ Has society really sunk this low now? Why are people so detached from other peoples feelings? :mad: True, although it could be argued some people latch on too much to other people's grief beyond acceptable boundaries. Do parents still put grills over ponds or fill them in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 True, although it could be argued some people latch on too much to other people's grief beyond acceptable boundaries. Do parents still put grills over ponds or fill them in? You really are quite an arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 True, although it could be argued some people latch on too much to other people's grief beyond acceptable boundaries. Do parents still put grills over ponds or fill them in? Lets hope you never have to bury one of your children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Those people are bastards. I don't get some people on this planet, I really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundance Beast Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Lets hope you never have to bury one of your children. First and foremost desecration of any grave is a despicable and heinous act. I doubt we will find anyone who doesn't believe it is an indefensible and abhorrent crime and the increased anguish to those already grieving is undoubtedly unmeasureable. However, it can be argued that we have an unacceptable culture in this country with regard to giving birth and the lifelong responibilities it endowes on the parents. The sheer number of teenage pregnancies and the desire to get pregnant under the security that the government will provide shelter and help feed and clothe the baby is wrong. The positive thing is that a lot of these people help fill the daytime TV schedules by providing foder for Kyle's odious morning horror show. We have a problem within our society that has basically given rise to the Chav and Knife culture and that is many of our children are in some areas consistently brought up in an environment wholly unsuitable for children and IMO it is fuelled by a lack of parental control, order, discipline and where necessary strict training and monitoring. Basically, people have children too readily and then find themselves ill equipped to cope with every aspect of parenthood. I don't know the details of this case or the people involved but understand the toddler died as a result of playing in his gran's garden with his cousin who was under 2 years of age. The report IMO suggests they must have been left unsupervised for a few minutes at least and even without a pond in the garden is it not fair to question the role of both parent and grandparent? If this accident had occured whilst the toddler was in the care of say a childminder that person would have probably been prosecuted for manslaughter accept OFSTED would have probably ordered them to fill the pond in during their inspections The state rightly through organisations like OFSTED make sure a child's environment is as safe as possible but the one problem it rarely addresses until its too late is that of the parent's ability to be a responsible parent. IMO opinion there are 3 accidents, 1) a simple unavoidable accident, 2) an avoidable accident and 3) a negligent accident. IMO at best this unfortunate toddler was a victim of an accident somewhere between 2 and 3 and whilst the vandalism to the grave is totally reprehensible it is no less disgusting IMO than the fact he ended up in a grave as a result of such an obvious and avoidable accident given the circumstances as I understand them from one report. The parent / grandparent were IMO responsible for criminal negligence no less than had the accident occured at a playschool or childminder's and our society does not do enough I'm afraid to condone teenage pregnancies or children born to parents incapable of supporting them. Sadly the parent and grandparent have paid a price far greater than being prosecuted for what could be argued was criminal negligence for allowing something that would be obvious to most not to allow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 This poor lads grave is close to that of a little girl who was like a grandaughter to the wife and me, we went up to Holybrook today and went to look at the grave. Everything on and around the grave is in good order. One thing I will say is that there are squirrels up there and we have seen them eating the flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundance Beast Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 This poor lads grave is close to that of a little girl who was like a grandaughter to the wife and me, we went up to Holybrook today and went to look at the grave. Everything on and around the grave is in good order. One thing I will say is that there are squirrels up there and we have seen them eating the flowers. Toomer, I'd forgotten about the squirrels. They are an unspoken and silent menace to society and surely it won't be long before they start getting on the housing list and tooling themselves with knives and Burberry. Bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 13 September, 2008 Share Posted 13 September, 2008 Toomer, I'd forgotten about the squirrels. They are an unspoken and silent menace to society and surely it won't be long before they start getting on the housing list and tooling themselves with knives and Burberry. Bastards. Sundance why do you bother? if you can't say anything that is in keeping with the thread just stay away. I just hope you don't have to go through what Kailin's parents have and I have although the circumstances are miles apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted 14 September, 2008 Share Posted 14 September, 2008 Whatever the wrongs & rights, parents who have lost a child have to live with it for the rest of their lives. If a toddler has died in a pond accident then the parents or guardians will know what they could have done and it will haunt them for ever. Doesn't mean it was their fault. Just about every accident is avoidable, that is why it is an accident. It can take a great many things to come together for an accident to happen and no one can legislate for everything. There are bad parents out there, but there are good parents who have had their lves ripped apart through no fault of their own. People are so quick to judge others (can see that on here a lot), but no one knows what is just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 16 September, 2008 Share Posted 16 September, 2008 The thing is if you got your hands on them it probably wouldn't teach them a lesson. They have had that treatment all there life. Best bit of justice is to make them work. Those lazy sods would hate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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