skintsaint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 (edited) heard 5mins ago. Was good on various FM versions. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10112009/58/bundesliga-germany-keeper-enke-dies.html RIP Edited 10 November, 2009 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 RIP. Was always a great back up GK on FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Suicide. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Had a daughter who died a couple of years ago, apparently he never really got over it. I follow a lot of German football and by all accounts the guy was a top keeper and a decent bloke, did a lot of charity work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Considering the position that modern football players are in and on a pedestal that many fans look up to it can be easy to overlook that they are only human. It is saddening to see a player to sucumb at such a young age in these circumstances, as it was recently when Daniel Jarque and Marc-Vivien Foe died of natural causes at a young age too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 He must have been in complete turmoil, the poor sod. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 8month child left behind along with wife......can't help thinking this is very selfish of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 8month child left behind along with wife......can't help thinking this is very selfish of him Agreed. Probably other family members as well! His poor wife has now lost a child and her husband in a very short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 I agree to an extent with the "selfish" comments, but grief affects people in different ways and I think it's extremely harsh to judge him without knowing the full circumstances that pushed him to take his own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 8month child left behind along with wife......can't help thinking this is very selfish of him Well done Stevo ... nothing like a heap of self-righteousness in times like these. It's probably not our place to judge the actions of somebody who was clearly unwell. Unless you know first hand what it's like to lose a child and suffer from depression as a result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 Well done Stevo ... nothing like a heap of self-righteousness in times like these. It's probably not our place to judge the actions of somebody who was clearly unwell. Unless you know first hand what it's like to lose a child and suffer from depression as a result? No i don't, but now his wife has lost a child, husband and has an 8month baby to look after and explain why Daddy killed himself rather than being there x amount of years down the line....Dont see it as me being self-righteous, not sure i come into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 No i don't, but now his wife has lost a child, husband and has an 8month baby to look after and explain why Daddy killed himself rather than being there x amount of years down the line....Dont see it as me being self-righteous, not sure i come into it TBF he was adopted which I don't think you can ever feel the same about than your own flesh and blood. I would never call him selfish. I don't think you can really pass judgement on it unless you have actually lost a child. Poor bloke I feel really sorry for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 dont get me wrong i feel for him for thinking this is the only way out of whatever problems he had, just cant help thinking about the family more than anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 No i don't, but now his wife has lost a child, husband and has an 8month baby to look after and explain why Daddy killed himself rather than being there x amount of years down the line....Dont see it as me being self-righteous, not sure i come into it http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous ... you come into it becuase you're the one judging his behaviour. As I said, it's hardly our place, especially as we are so unqualified to do so. We have no idea what he was going through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 First of all I thought it was sad that all he got were comments about being a good back up keeper on FM. Then I realised how much more than was than I'll achieve! I still say he wasn't a bad first choice. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 November, 2009 Share Posted 10 November, 2009 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous ... you come into it becuase you're the one judging his behaviour. As I said, it's hardly our place, especially as we are so unqualified to do so. We have no idea what he was going through. In my opinion Suicide is a cowardly selfish act no matter what and cannot be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 In my opinion Suicide is a cowardly selfish act no matter what and cannot be justified. What about if you had no living relatives and you jumped off a cliff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 or friends? Gettin a bit hypothetical now hypo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 or friends? Gettin a bit hypothetical now hypo? If you were a loner in a shack it wouldn't be selfish. Just messing though. It's late and I'm tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Was he selfish in I am legend ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 In my opinion Suicide is a cowardly selfish act no matter what and cannot be justified. Some people think that if a soldier covers up a grenade with his body to protect his mates and then that grenade explodes killing him is an extremely brave hero. He knew that he was going to die so he is committing suicide, hardly a cowardly selfish act that cannot be justified is it.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Some people think that if a soldier covers up a grenade with his body to protect his mates and then that grenade explodes killing him is an extremely brave hero. He knew that he was going to die so he is committing suicide, hardly a cowardly selfish act that cannot be justified is it.:mad: FFS that is totally different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Everybody in Germany seems shocked That's because depression/grief is one of the most severe & debilitating illnesses anyone can have. On the outside people think your fine, but on the inside you're being gripped by a condition that makes you feel very lonely & isolated. Often they will detach themselves from loved ones or professionals that can offer help, and sometimes their train of thought lacks rationality. 5 years ago I was diagnosed with bipolar, so I'm aware of how the occasional bad day can engulf you with illogical thoughts When I hear people say suicide is selfish, they have no idea how destructive mental illness can be, and have no idea how it can make genuine, warm people do crazy things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 IMO, suicide, the act, is not selfish, it is the way that it is carried out that can be selfish ie. the fallout which the surviving relatives have to deal with, plus, and I think even more important, the effect it can have on innocent parties. A particular favourite seems to be throwing yourself in front of a moving train. I know 2 drivers who have been traumatised to the point of having to give up their jobs and both suffering nightmares, which in one case has led to a mental breakdown and the breakup of the family. This is unacceptable. There are a myriad of selfless ways to top yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 A family friend's grandad was 95 when his wife of 70 odd years died. He was basically infirm and couldn't face a life of being alone. Without having the mobility to find other ways to kill himself, he got a kitchen knife and stabbed himself in the heart. His suicide note said what a great life he had had but he couldn't live anymore without his wife. Now his family don't think he was in any way selfish. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 Having had depression, I cannot agree with the comments that he was selfish. There is every possibility he perception of life was completely skewed and out-of-sync. I remember not being able to understand or feel other peoples emotions or reactions or feelings and I had little control over my own. Things happened impulsively and I was lucky enough not to tumble as far as poor Robert Enke. In most depression cases, the sufferer has thoughts of death, or of dying - but not of suicide. He really must have been at his wits end because it certainly wasn't a 'cry for help' - you have to really mean it to go toe-to-toe with a train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 November, 2009 Share Posted 11 November, 2009 thank god no one has said.. "condolences to his family" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 November, 2009 Share Posted 12 November, 2009 thank god no one has said.. "condolences to his family" Or good ol', "wow, well that puts our relegation into perspective..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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