NickG Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Two defeats against two lower sides, think they were winning before he took over? (not checked)
Thedelldays Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Two defeats against two lower sides, think they were winning before he took over? (not checked) i think it was more than that as to why southgate was given the boot
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Two defeats against two lower sides, think they were winning before he took over? (not checked) Predictable, 4 years of only having to worry about 1 team beating you and IMO a bit of dummy spitting at Saints plus the increasingly odd press conferences over the years I wouldn't have been clamouring to employ him and Southgate was hardly a disaster this season 1 point off the automatics. IMO Strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of Clough and Ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. Bizarre sacking and more bizarre appointment.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Oh and before it get's mentioned - there goes 19c having a dig at another Lowe basher.
Saint_clark Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 So that's now our most successful MODERN manager 19C dislikes as well.
NickG Posted 7 November, 2009 Author Posted 7 November, 2009 who is the ex-pro who does the evening show on talksport? He predicted a really bad run uder WGS and thought terrible appointment it is Quinn?
smithy Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 My work colleague is a Coventry fan and hates Strachan with a passion, along with most Coventry fans.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 So that's now our most successful MODERN manager 19C dislikes as well. IMO Stachan like McMenemy didn't know they had it so good at Saints and perhaps didn't go public with their real reasons for leaving which is fair enough - who does in any walk of life? I believe with due time and patience Pardew will surpass them all. (It says so in the Bible)
chocco boxo Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Predictable, 4 years of only having to worry about 1 team beating you and IMO a bit of dummy spitting at Saints plus the increasingly odd press conferences over the years I wouldn't have been clamouring to employ him and Southgate was hardly a disaster this season 1 point off the automatics. IMO Strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of Clough and Ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. Bizarre sacking and more bizarre appointment. I totally agree NC19 and believe me I think your a **** but today you hit the nail on the head. Well done.
teamsaint Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 there must be a good chance of boro returning to the second tier mediocrity for which they were a byword for decades. Quite why, apart from a rich owner and a reasonable stadium , they were ever considered a big club is beyond me. As is the question of why gibson thinks they will pull big crowds in the CCC, unless they are top .They just don't have the support. WGS may have bet on a bad one here, presumably hoping for a one season return to the top flight. and who knows, he might just be facing a tricky return to SMS next year!!
The Majestic Channon Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I think Strach will do well at boro, he's had 2 games FFS , we didn't exactly get off to a flyer under him did we? yet we finsished in our highest position since the 80's, cup final , europe etc, nor did we under Lawrie and pardew..surely people realise it takes time Good luck gordon.
angelman Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 WGS is a bit of an enigma. He didn't cover himself in glory at Coventry, albeit he did have all his players sold and did manage to keep them up for a season longer than expected. When he was appointed for us, how many can honestly say that they were happy with the appointment? And how many pundits thought it was a good appointment? OK - he did very well. I think we had a better squad than a lot of people gave us credit for. They were unfit and WGS is good for getting people fit. After he left us for Celti, I didn't bother taking much notice. I presume that he won the league or came second. But ultimately he failed there because there was not even a modicum of success in the Champions League. (Did they even get a point away from home?). As I don't follow Boro, I have no idea why Southgate was sacked. Gibson has stood by him for a very long time - maybe he just fancied a change. The amount of money thrown down the drain, you would have expected the Chairman to have acted sooner. I have a feeling that Strachan will struggle, but I hope not.
Gemmel Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Predictable, 4 years of only having to worry about 1 team beating you and IMO a bit of dummy spitting at Saints plus the increasingly odd press conferences over the years I wouldn't have been clamouring to employ him and Southgate was hardly a disaster this season 1 point off the automatics. IMO Strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of Clough and Ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. Bizarre sacking and more bizarre appointment. Your track record on predicting the success of other managers isn't great. Come on the boot boy ................lmfao
Draino76 Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 predictable, 4 years of only having to worry about 1 team beating you and imo a bit of dummy spitting at saints plus the increasingly odd press conferences over the years i wouldn't have been clamouring to employ him and southgate was hardly a disaster this season 1 point off the automatics. Imo strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of clough and ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. Bizarre sacking and more bizarre appointment. 100% +1.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Your track record on predicting the success of other managers isn't great. Come on the boot boy ................lmfao Down to 6th after no gifts from a team with a bit of quality. Boot Boy won't make the play-offs and they certainly didn't deserve to beat Reading or QPR. If Fryatt gets injured they will drop off the leaders quite significantly. Look what Holloway is doing at Blackpool and on buttons and you can see that Pearson isn't in his class.
Saint_clark Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Down to 6th after no gifts from a team with a bit of quality. Boot Boy won't make the play-offs and they certainly didn't deserve to beat Reading or QPR. If Fryatt gets injured they will drop off the leaders quite significantly. Look what Holloway is doing at Blackpool and on buttons and you can see that Pearson isn't in his class. Oh STFU. If this forum had signatures I would save this post as mine so when Leicester finish strongly this season you can admit you're wrong.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Oh STFU. If this forum had signatures I would save this post as mine so when Leicester finish strongly this season you can admit you're wrong. Please save it by any means you like. Leicester will not finish in the top 6 and I think their arch rivals Forest will finish above them because they have the better manager for this league.
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Please save it by any means you like. Leicester will not finish in the top 6 and I think their arch rivals Forest will finish above them because they have the better manager for this league. Leicester's arch rivals are Coventry.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 IMO Stachan like McMenemy didn't know they had it so good at Saints and perhaps didn't go public with their real reasons for leaving which is fair enough - who does in any walk of life? I believe with due time and patience Pardew will surpass them all. (It says so in the Bible) Whereas MLT, in my opinion, did realise that he'd never had it so good with Saints!
sotonjoe Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 IMO Strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of Clough and Ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. If you really think that Srachan thinks himself of a similar stature to those two, or that a sizeable chunk of the football supporting public do, then you are well and truly crazy. Where do you get these wild assertions from?
Ludwig Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Down to 6th after no gifts from a team with a bit of quality. Boot Boy won't make the play-offs and they certainly didn't deserve to beat Reading or QPR. If Fryatt gets injured they will drop off the leaders quite significantly. Look what Holloway is doing at Blackpool and on buttons and you can see that Pearson isn't in his class. The same Holloway who took Leicester down?
NickG Posted 8 November, 2009 Author Posted 8 November, 2009 dilemma - like WGS, always hated Middlesbrough!
Crab Lungs Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Please save it by any means you like. Leicester will not finish in the top 6 and I think their arch rivals Forest will finish above them because they have the better manager for this league. i too am of that opinion. holloway and davies are better than NP imo...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 Whereas MLT, in my opinion, did realise that he'd never had it so good with Saints! Agreed because IMO he was comfortable and didn't want to move out of that zone. I have no problem with that and we benefitted but ultimately he underachieved through lack of ambition and left a question mark over his career that didn't need to be there. If he had left and been prepared to work harder then I have no doubt he would have been a greater success whereas IMO with Strachan and McMenemy there were obvious doubts about the need to move and what they could achieve elsewhere that they couldn't by staying put.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 The same Holloway who took Leicester down? Chairman clash? It happens.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 November, 2009 Posted 8 November, 2009 If you really think that Srachan thinks himself of a similar stature to those two, or that a sizeable chunk of the football supporting public do, then you are well and truly crazy. Where do you get these wild assertions from? Just an opinion based on the way he talks. As someone has already posted he comes across as an enigma and IMO it is a persona Strachan is trying to develop with his 'witty' one-liners and playing up his mumbling Scottish manager roots. At times I think he chooses to be deliberatley difficult and obtuse but is not at the stage of his career where the likes of Ferguson and Clough were that enabled them to get away with it.
NickG Posted 8 November, 2009 Author Posted 8 November, 2009 will be test to see how he is remembered by the footballing world as a manager. Steady journeyman or good. Hope he does well - wish it was for another team
Bailey Posted 9 November, 2009 Posted 9 November, 2009 Pardew took time to get things moving in the right direction here at Saints, and I think it'll be the same for Strachan at Boro. He's only had 2 games in charge, give him time and he'll turn it around. I think it'll turn out to be a top-draw appointment personally. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make an immediate return to the top flight either.
OldNick Posted 9 November, 2009 Posted 9 November, 2009 WGS did well with our squad in getting them fit.He made some poor judgements (dont we all) the biggest 1 IMO was to put Tessem on the bench in the cup final instead of Davies, then let him go for nothing. His buys (not frees) were average to poor. He still was a good manager for us and I would have had him back like a shot. It will be intersting how it pans out for him.
JonnyLove Posted 9 November, 2009 Posted 9 November, 2009 Predictable, 4 years of only having to worry about 1 team beating you and IMO a bit of dummy spitting at Saints plus the increasingly odd press conferences over the years I wouldn't have been clamouring to employ him and Southgate was hardly a disaster this season 1 point off the automatics. IMO Strachan has built himself up in the image of the likes of Clough and Ferguson and is but a mere shadow of these greats but some people believe his rhetoric. Bizarre sacking and more bizarre appointment. I'm sorry I'm going to have to bite on this one I really don't know why. Here we have just another perfect casing point that N19 knows absoultly nothing about football and is just trolling for S&G.
ribbo Posted 9 November, 2009 Posted 9 November, 2009 Pardew took time to get things moving in the right direction here at Saints, and I think it'll be the same for Strachan at Boro. He's only had 2 games in charge, give him time and he'll turn it around. I think it'll turn out to be a top-draw appointment personally. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make an immediate return to the top flight either. this... although i expect WGS to be able to really make a difference next season after he's had a preseason of kicking David Wheater up and down sand dunes.
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