RonManager Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 I agree with you. Also, there seems to be no agreement among posters as to whether the armbands were for Armistice Day commemoration or a specific local event as Rovers were bereft of black armbands. There was no mention of any 'separate reason' by the announcer at the time. Armbands were not mentioned either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 I thought it was now traditional for Saints to wear black armbands for the game closest to All Saints Days to remember all Saints fans/past players who had died in the previous year? I didn't think it was to do with remembrance weekend at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 There was also the minute's silence. Did anybody hear what the stadium announcer was saying about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 It is traditional in all football games down to Pub Sunday football to have a minutes silence the closest game to remembrance Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 I thought it was now traditional for Saints to wear black armbands for the game closest to All Saints Days to remember all Saints fans/past players who had died in the previous year? I didn't think it was to do with remembrance weekend at all. All Saints day has been designated as the Brighton game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 There was also the minute's silence. Did anybody hear what the stadium announcer was saying about it? Remembrance day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 It is traditional in all football games down to Pub Sunday football to have a minutes silence the closest game to remembrance Sunday True, and we've done it in women's football too, where you stand in the centre circle thinking "thank christ I wasn't a bloke in 1914". I must admit it's strange that noobody knows exactly why we were wearing the black arm-bands, and maybe that's a bigger issue than the fact itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 Remembrance day... Thanks for that. I knew that it had to be but I couldn't hear a word of the announcement. The only outstanding question then is why we were wearing black armbands and BR weren't. When I used to ref on Sunday mornings we used to have 2 minutes at half-time as it was closest to 11:00. Every player was keen that we observed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 When I used to ref on Sunday mornings we used to have 2 minutes at half-time as it was closest to 11:00. Every player was keen that we observed it. And THAT actually means something. 11 am on Armistice Day and or Remembrance Sunday TWO minutes silence. But a minute silence at any old time, the week before, the week after and just for luck, on the Tuesday in between is quite frankly a nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 (edited) Since when did anyone wear a black armband for remembrance sunday? Did i miss a meeting again? Edited 7 November, 2009 by docker-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 Loads of preaching by Dell D**k and others, watching the FA Cup goals programme and no team is wearing black arm bands. So fair enough question by the op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 Loads of preaching by Dell D**k and others, watching the FA Cup goals programme and no team is wearing black arm bands. So fair enough question by the op. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 Loads of preaching by Dell D**k and others, watching the FA Cup goals programme and no team is wearing black arm bands. So fair enough question by the op. A sensible question and still no definitive answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jeweller Posted 7 November, 2009 Share Posted 7 November, 2009 Haven't seen any armbands yet in the prem on MOTD,but plenty of poppies on shirts which just adds to the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 It is traditional in all football games down to Pub Sunday football to have a minutes silence the closest game to remembrance Sunday No it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Haven't seen any armbands yet in the prem on MOTD,but plenty of poppies on shirts which just adds to the confusion. We have already stated that we won't be having poppies on the shirts this year and instead of having the auction the proceeds from tickets at the Brighton game will go to Help for Heroes. It's all explained on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 It didnt occur to me straight away it was for Remembrance day. I personally think that it should be law that on remembrance sunday all shops should have to stop their tills and sales of any kind whilst the minutes silence was happening.That may well make a lot of people really think what those young men gave so they could go and get a pair of trainers for the kids to go happy slapping with. Spot on. I would stop shops opening on any Sunday and Boxing Day full stop but that is another argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I agree totally. The only stupid question is one that isn't asked. Yep, I agree too. No harm in asking a question if you don't know the answer, would suggest it makes you humble rather than stupid TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 All Saints day has been designated as the Brighton game. Didn't know that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 no....you only had to use a tiny but of brain material to put the black arm bands and the fact this game was on rememberance weekend.. how hard is it to put 2 + 2 together..? Sorry, I very rarely post on here, but felt i needed to reply. I am very aware of this weekend's rememberance activities, and my grandfather was severely injured in WWII. I spent a year working for the Royal British Legion. But I also thought it was a fair question - i have noticed most clubs wearing poppies on their shirts, and assumed that this was now the accepted visible symbol of recognition among football clubs. I also wondered if there was a separate event that had led to the team wearing the black armbands. So please don't assume that anyone who doesn't share your incredible intelligence is unable to put 2 and 2 together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Totally unfair reaction from certain posters, but then again that's what we've come to expect from members like TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I agree! Especially as we (Saints) have a game on Tuesday and are also doing a special commemoration next week-end. The football poppy thing, although I'm not totally against it, is relatively new. We never had minute silences, black arm bands, or poppy embroidered shirts in the Dell era. IMO It's football jumping on the bandwagon and takes away the true meaning of remembrance and the fine work the various charities do to raise money for military casualties. .... Even David Haye wore one last night so hell the hell can it be that football is jumping on the bandwagon??? .... Everyone should wear one.... you expect the scousers and the mancs to be the only two premiership clubs not to support the fact that poppies should be worn on shirts... Liverpool a city that thrives on death and mourning as long as it is only something that affects someone from the merseyside area and Manchester United who are totally incapable of changing their shirt so that the poppy doesn't clash with it.... but it is ok to change it when they were getting regularly stuffed at the dell!!!! ... the black are band was a nice gesture but to be fair I was even struggling with the fact that we wore black arm bands and bristol rovers were n't..... WHY NOT JUST DO THE SIMPLE THING AND PUT THE POPPY ON THE SHIRT???? I have asked the question about ten times and am still waiting for Mr Ls reply to the reasoning behing the decision....... will his forum informer please give him a nudge and let him know that I am on his case again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I understood that MU were going to auction today's shirts and the proceeds would go to a forces charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I kinda disagree with your last bit. I bid on several of the Poppy shirts over the years. I didn't buy any (was always outbid) but it helped put money into the Legion which I am all in favour of. Overall though, you have a good point. This country has gone sentimental mad as a reflection of the media/celebrity culture. There is some perverse enjoyment in morbid celebration it seems. And sadly, it detracts from genuine opportunities to reflect such as Armastice/Remembrance Day and the passing of genuine club servants and fans (not just ours, any club). Armastice Day is an opportunity to stop and think not just about all those who made a sacrifice for us, and who continue to do so, but about the pointlessness of World War I in particular, to remind us to be wary of ever making the same mistake again. If we demean this by donning black armbands at the drop of a hat elsewhere, it is even more tragic. There was always be death. It is inevitable. We should be selective about those things we mark because by marking them all, we undermine them all. (Spoken as someone who support the Royal Star and Garter Home all year round not just in November). On an associated point, it would be incredible if the Legion require us to pay them to embroider Poppies on shirts that we can then sell to raise money for their charity... need them to come to their senses quick on that! The lady I spoke to said that it alicence fee of 15K to have the poppy on the shirt if it is done through the corporare fund raising department of the RBL... if it is done throught he PR department it may not attach a fee???.. sHe said selling the shirts did n't raise enough money??? as it only raised a few thousand??? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the object was just to raise money and obviousily awareness so found it incomprehensible to hear of the licence fee but am not sure if this had a bearing on our decision to have a family fun day or whatever it is........ still waiting for DL's comments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 It didnt occur to me straight away it was for Remembrance day. I personally think that it should be law that on remembrance sunday all shops should have to stop their tills and sales of any kind whilst the minutes silence was happening.That may well make a lot of people really think what those young men gave so they could go and get a pair of trainers for the kids to go happy slapping with. And that is what makes you the special kind of leader that the exile can only ever hope to be!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I agree totally. The only stupid question is one that isn't asked. the wisdom of age..... a lot can be learned people take note! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 [/b] The lady I spoke to said that it alicence fee of 15K to have the poppy on the shirt if it is done through the corporare fund raising department of the RBL... if it is done throught he PR department it may not attach a fee???.. sHe said selling the shirts did n't raise enough money??? as it only raised a few thousand??? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the object was just to raise money and obviousily awareness so found it incomprehensible to hear of the licence fee but am not sure if this had a bearing on our decision to have a family fun day or whatever it is........ still waiting for DL's comments! Right, so they want a minimum of 15k as opposed to the 5-8k that selling 15 shirts to the public at £500 a pop might raise... Not being funny, but most people put a £1 into a tin and buy a plastic poppy. We have a way to get them £5-8k extra (and on top of the £1 we'll assume all decent fans put in their tins) and they won't do it... Seems incredible and stupid. And typical of the way this country is now run if it's true. I am sure the club would also contribute but 15k?? That's just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 Right, so they want a minimum of 15k as opposed to the 5-8k that selling 15 shirts to the public at £500 a pop might raise... Not being funny, but most people put a £1 into a tin and buy a plastic poppy. We have a way to get them £5-8k extra (and on top of the £1 we'll assume all decent fans put in their tins) and they won't do it... Seems incredible and stupid. And typical of the way this country is now run if it's true. I am sure the club would also contribute but 15k?? That's just ridiculous. That was my take on it too.... Like I say they may take a different stance if they view it as a PR exercise... but as corporate fundraising there was definately a 15K licence fee to be paid to reproduce the emblem AND it had to be from an approved supplier/embroiderer(?)..... I guess they have to earn mega bucks to pay the wages of professional fundraisers... I guess this is why the club took the stance it did but would like the clarification for DL as I still believe this is all a fudge and just so b adly organised.... can't see why this could n't be sorted out at the FA/FL level with a clear set of guide lines as how the event will be marked/honoured....look I'm just a joe blogs who was very let down by the clubs complete apathy last year.... this year they have come out with there help for heros (where in affect the hero's are helping each other) whilst boosting the bar/coffee/programme/ takings of the club. Also hopefully helping to fill some of the 10k empty seats in the stadium. I know it was an effort by the club but feel they could be doing more but would like for DL to give us their side of how they decided on this coures of action. I know it looks like its anything to have a pop at the club but I was left pretty raw and niggled at the insensitivity of the "no-one had time"excuse last year and just expeted the club to really make amends this year. Sadly imho they have sort of had a great chance and are lined up to hit the bar!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 8 November, 2009 Share Posted 8 November, 2009 I'll give to the poppy day appeal and wear the poppy as i always do and always will. But where the **** has this recent evangelical zeal for wearing poppies and remembering come from? Even Network 54 is calling for everyone to wear a poppy and slap a few wogs at the same time!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 I'll give to the poppy day appeal and wear the poppy as i always do and always will. But where the **** has this recent evangelical zeal for wearing poppies and remembering come from? I'm with you (not sure what that last bit meant though)... I'm sure that when I was young in the 70s Armistice Day wasn't really bothered with by most people (obviously there would be a school assembly about it). Remembrance Sunday was the big deal though - there was a parade through the village to the church every year. Is it because on Sunday no-one can SEE how much you care? Perhaps they do both now because Sunday is just another day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianoneils slidingtackle Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 Anyone notice the news that Sky had to mute the sound of the Celtic game at the weekend when the minutes silence was attempted, the Celtic fans started their Irish republican chants to offend everyone in the country... these IRA supporting tosssers want to join the EPL !!! big mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1870894,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 Have teams done this before? It seems a bit strange to me, I thought the whole point of wearing poppies and having a minutes silence was to remember the fallen. Also I don't like the way teams have poppies printed on their shirts I really don't think that's necessary at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 Didn't know that. Thanks. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1870894,00.html Oooops beaten by a short head. Must learn how to cut and paste and drink a cup of tea at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 And that is what makes you the special kind of leader that the exile can only ever hope to be!!!! Thank-you OTH. I like the term the 'exile' he does strike me a bit like Napoleon! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 Anyone notice the news that Sky had to mute the sound of the Celtic game at the weekend when the minutes silence was attempted, the Celtic fans started their Irish republican chants to offend everyone in the country... these IRA supporting tosssers want to join the EPL !!! big mistake You report a slightly edited version, a protest was held outside the ground by upto 40 people. What you fail to add is that more people were shouting at them to shut up and the Celtic chairman shook his head in disgust at the protest. Your genaralisation is about as helpful as the protestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 .... Even David Haye wore one last night so hell the hell can it be that football is jumping on the bandwagon??? .... LMFAO - usual quality post Terry :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 In all my years here have only seen poppies down here on about 3 occassions, mainly through the British Embassy. So really nothing of value to add to the general debate, it's another old Brit thing like Bonfiree Night that just doesn't make the transfer to down here in the "New Economy". But in a related note, culturally I can understand "why" he did it, but from a distance it seemed slightly odd to see Carlo Ancelotti wearing a Poppy. I was glad to see Chelsea doing the Poppy Shirts thing and I am glad Carlo probably paid for his Poppy. I know it's a new world these days but does an Italian wear one as a mark of respect to the RBL or as a PR exercise? Sorry it is the cynic in me. Are we any closer to why our team wore armbands? wasn't there a funeral in the last week of an ex Saint that we (thanks to FF) kicked off about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 But in a related note, culturally I can understand "why" he did it, but from a distance it seemed slightly odd to see Carlo Ancelotti wearing a Poppy. I was glad to see Chelsea doing the Poppy Shirts thing and I am glad Carlo probably paid for his Poppy. I know it's a new world these days but does an Italian wear one as a mark of respect to the RBL or as a PR exercise? Sorry it is the cynic in me. As a matter of interest why do you consider it odd for an Italian to wear a poppy? As far as I know the Italians were allied to the "triple entente" during WW1, so were effectively on our side. They celebrate Armistice Day a week earlier than we do, on 4 November (the Armistice of Villa Giusti). I realise things were a little different in WW2 of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 LMFAO - usual quality post Terry :-D Your back!!!!! missed you babe x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 November, 2009 Share Posted 9 November, 2009 As a matter of interest why do you consider it odd for an Italian to wear a poppy? As far as I know the Italians were allied to the "triple entente" during WW1, so were effectively on our side. They celebrate Armistice Day a week earlier than we do, on 4 November (the Armistice of Villa Giusti). I realise things were a little different in WW2 of course. I've never felt a need not to feel sorry for all the German dead. They didn't choose to get mown down by our machine guns either. The sadness is that any war is necessary. You will notice how many politicians are dying in Afghanistan... oh no wait, they're at home in bed tonight while 18 year old lads from Bootle are being blown sky high and having their limbs torn off... I believe you will find it was the same in all the other wars. I'm glad Carlo wears a poppy, everyone everywhere should to recognise the fallacy of war and to work towards a more peaceful existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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