Bridge Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 Doe's anyone know who died for the team to be wearing black arm bands?
Saint_clark Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 I don't want to sound insensitive, but there seems to be black armbands at every game now.
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 million is ww1 for a start and the millions for WW2 I reckon...just a guess though
NickG Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 580,351 according to wiki! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Losses_by_alliance still enough to justify being remembered
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 got feeling it was less for ww2 - will google! still worthy of a black arm band also reckon it may be for those who have served and died since 1945.. maybe..!!!
Hatch Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 Can't remember wearing black armbands before for this date..
Bridge Posted 6 November, 2009 Author Posted 6 November, 2009 If it's for rememberance Sunday why are Rovers not wearing them?
Jez Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 Bristol Rovers are a well known Nazi supporting football team
Chorlton Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 Is it for our first match after All Saints day?
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 I think the total dead in WW2 is something like 50 million?
Saint_clark Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 I don't want to sound insensitive, but there seems to be black armbands at every game now. FWIW, I was making the point that having black armbands for such a big, emotional thing such as remembrance day seems less of a gesture due to them being warn pretty much every week.
Justin C Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 Can't remember wearing black armbands before for this date.. Years ago everyone wore black arm bands on the game closest to 11th but Poppies on shirts over took this. So it might be this. As i was driving home today there was a debate on talk sport about top level clubs wearing poppies on their shirts and how (i think) liverpool and man u are not doing it. I thought about us not doing it (I know it is different as our game is not shown all over the world) and whether we should. My view for a club like us (game not being shown all over the world) is if it costs £15K to put poppies on shirts why not give half that amount to RBL. I don't think this years £10 for military goes far enough. All just my view.
xerox Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 15k to put poppies on shirts???? cant cost more than 10 quid each
Justin C Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 15k to put poppies on shirts???? cant cost more than 10 quid each It was quoted in another post that it cost 15K to get the shirts with poppies on them and thats why the club are not doing it this year. I did not mean a poppy and a pin!
Justin C Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 It was quoted in another post that it cost 15K to get the shirts with poppies on them and thats why the club are not doing it this year. I did not mean a poppy and a pin! Here it from the poppy 10 thread I spoke to David Luker about it and he,or they, came up with the Help for Hero's - in conjunction with a family activity day??? not sure really.... I would of thought if we were going for this we could maybbe have got the old RAF dog display team and the red devils or something but hey ho!!!.... anyway spoke to corporate fundraising at the british legion (I was trying to encourage the BL to contact the club in a bid to get the poppy on the shirts) but they said they wanted a staggering £15000 to reproduce the poppy on the shirts.... she said the PR branch may sanction this and no fee is payable but it seems to be a bit of a mess really. THe SPL had a blanket deal with the Scotish British legion ( a totally seperate organisation to the British Legion) last season and can't see why the FA and FL could n't just sign up wholeheartedly to this cause. I willphone the Football league and FA tomorrow to see what there stance is but not sure why the club are so keen to decide not to do the poppy shirts unless it due to the 15K.... answers please Mr Luker (I know you read this or you will hear of this post!!)
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 November, 2009 Posted 6 November, 2009 It was poignant that during the minute's silence there was the sound of fireworks and whizzbangs going off. My grandad's brother was killed in 1917 and for me it was a small reminder of what it must have been like in the trenches. Good to see that the silence was impeccably observed on all sides.
RonManager Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 It was poignant that during the minute's silence there was the sound of fireworks and whizzbangs going off. My grandad's brother was killed in 1917 and for me it was a small reminder of what it must have been like in the trenches. Good to see that the silence was impeccably observed on all sides. Yes, although obviously an unrehearsed coincidence, the fireworks and explosive bangs in the background made it very emotional indeed.
stardustonmyfeet Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 When was the last time we wore black armbands for Remembrance Day?
Gingeletiss Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 When was the last time we wore black armbands for Remembrance Day? Try it............you may feel humbled!!!!
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Doe's anyone know who died for the team to be wearing black arm bands? OH.........MY.............GOD Sorry, but this is what is wrong with this country. :smt096
oxfordshire_saint Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Go over to the memorials at places like Thiepval, Vimy, Ypres, Tyne-Cot, Beaumont-Hamel and Verdun. Then you'll know why showing some sort of respect for it all is the least we can do.
Thedelldays Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Doe's anyone know who died for the team to be wearing black arm bands? I am actually offended by this...
This Charming Man Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Doe's anyone know who died for the team to be wearing black arm bands? You could quite possibly be one of the biggest idiots to ever roam this planet. FFS.
Victor Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I am actually offended by this... I am strongly in favour of Remberance Day being observed, but would also have questioned black armbands being worn by a football team on 6th November. It is something I associate with the death of someone associated with the club. Poppies are the symbol of rememberance. It was a fair question, and anyone deriding it is being over-sensitive, and a little sanctimonious.
Thedelldays Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I am strongly in favour of Remberance Day being observed, but would also have questioned black armbands being worn by a football team on 6th November. It is something I associate with the death of someone associated with the club. Poppies are the symbol of rememberance. It was a fair question, and anyone deriding it is being over-sensitive, and a little sanctimonious. no....you only had to use a tiny but of brain material to put the black arm bands and the fact this game was on rememberance weekend.. how hard is it to put 2 + 2 together..?
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Read john keegan's first world war or if you can't read watch paths of glory or something and see if you have the brains to say something so ignorant and arrogant again.
krissyboy31 Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I am strongly in favour of Remberance Day being observed, but would also have questioned black armbands being worn by a football team on 6th November. It is something I associate with the death of someone associated with the club. Poppies are the symbol of rememberance. It was a fair question, and anyone deriding it is being over-sensitive, and a little sanctimonious. I agree! Especially as we (Saints) have a game on Tuesday and are also doing a special commemoration next week-end. The football poppy thing, although I'm not totally against it, is relatively new. We never had minute silences, black arm bands, or poppy embroidered shirts in the Dell era. IMO It's football jumping on the bandwagon and takes away the true meaning of remembrance and the fine work the various charities do to raise money for military casualties.
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I agree! Especially as we (Saints) have a game on Tuesday and are also doing a special commemoration next week-end. The football poppy thing, although I'm not totally against it, is relatively new. We never had minute silences, black arm bands, or poppy embroidered shirts in the Dell era. IMO It's football jumping on the bandwagon and takes away the true meaning of remembrance and the fine work the various charities do to raise money for military casualties. Football still happens to be the one public setting where thousands of virtual strangers come together. In this day and age, can't think of any setting comparable to that, so football makes perfect sense.
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I agree! Especially as we (Saints) have a game on Tuesday and are also doing a special commemoration next week-end. The football poppy thing, although I'm not totally against it, is relatively new. We never had minute silences, black arm bands, or poppy embroidered shirts in the Dell era. IMO It's football jumping on the bandwagon and takes away the true meaning of remembrance and the fine work the various charities do to raise money for military casualties. I kinda disagree with your last bit. I bid on several of the Poppy shirts over the years. I didn't buy any (was always outbid) but it helped put money into the Legion which I am all in favour of. Overall though, you have a good point. This country has gone sentimental mad as a reflection of the media/celebrity culture. There is some perverse enjoyment in morbid celebration it seems. And sadly, it detracts from genuine opportunities to reflect such as Armastice/Remembrance Day and the passing of genuine club servants and fans (not just ours, any club). Armastice Day is an opportunity to stop and think not just about all those who made a sacrifice for us, and who continue to do so, but about the pointlessness of World War I in particular, to remind us to be wary of ever making the same mistake again. If we demean this by donning black armbands at the drop of a hat elsewhere, it is even more tragic. There was always be death. It is inevitable. We should be selective about those things we mark because by marking them all, we undermine them all. (Spoken as someone who support the Royal Star and Garter Home all year round not just in November). On an associated point, it would be incredible if the Legion require us to pay them to embroider Poppies on shirts that we can then sell to raise money for their charity... need them to come to their senses quick on that!
OldNick Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 It didnt occur to me straight away it was for Remembrance day. I personally think that it should be law that on remembrance sunday all shops should have to stop their tills and sales of any kind whilst the minutes silence was happening.That may well make a lot of people really think what those young men gave so they could go and get a pair of trainers for the kids to go happy slapping with.
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 It didnt occur to me straight away it was for Remembrance day. I personally think that it should be law that on remembrance sunday all shops should have to stop their tills and sales of any kind whilst the minutes silence was happening.That may well make a lot of people really think what those young men gave so they could go and get a pair of trainers for the kids to go happy slapping with. Hear, hear.
Kadeem Hardison Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 ALL SAINTS DAY. We do this every year. Remember?
Hatch Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I am strongly in favour of Remberance Day being observed, but would also have questioned black armbands being worn by a football team on 6th November. It is something I associate with the death of someone associated with the club. Poppies are the symbol of rememberance. It was a fair question, and anyone deriding it is being over-sensitive, and a little sanctimonious. This. I don't recall armbands being worn on this date before, I may be wrong. And all those others saying what a stupid question can get off their 'I am better than you ****ing high horse'
Plumstead_Saint Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 It was a fair question, and anyone deriding it is being over-sensitive, and a little sanctimonious. Well said. If the OP offended you then get over yourself.
SW11_Saint Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I am actually offended by this... Why? Seemed a perfectly reasonable question, given Rovers weren't wearing them. Somewhat of an overreaction I feel...
RonManager Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Why? Seemed a perfectly reasonable question, given Rovers weren't wearing them. Somewhat of an overreaction I feel... Par for the course from TDD - no middle ground.
stardustonmyfeet Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 When was the last time we wore black armbands for Remembrance Day? Try it............you may feel humbled!!!! Try what - wearing a black armband instead of wearing a poppy, or berating people who you think aren't remembering Remembrance Day as well as you? AFAIK the tradition is a minute's silence, so forgive me for being a little confused when new practices are suddenly created out of nowhere. Rovers weren't wearing armbands either, so there's the possibility that it could've been for reasons specific to Southampton - like All Saints' Day (surely this would be commemorated at SMS though). Looking at this thread however, nobody really seems to know for certain as most of us seem more concerned about playing the "I'm a better citizen than you" game.
Arizona Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 I'd have though the black armbands would be better suited to the Charlton match really, given that it is on the 11th. Was good to see the silence observed almost immaculately though. Normally there is always some bell-end who shouts "Red Army" or similar half way through. And yes, the fireworks were fairly moving.
red&white56 Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 You could quite possibly be one of the biggest idiots to ever roam this planet. FFS. If we don't let people ask questions then they will never learn - Bridge is not an idiot for not knowing why they were wearing armbands - he'd be an idiot if he didn't know and couldn't be bothered to find out.....
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 If we don't let people ask questions then they will never learn - Bridge is not an idiot for not knowing why they were wearing armbands - he'd be an idiot if he didn't know and couldn't be bothered to find out..... I agree totally. The only stupid question is one that isn't asked.
wightman35 Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 If we don't let people ask questions then they will never learn - Bridge is not an idiot for not knowing why they were wearing armbands - he'd be an idiot if he didn't know and couldn't be bothered to find out..... I agree with you. Also, there seems to be no agreement among posters as to whether the armbands were for Armistice Day commemoration or a specific local event as Rovers were bereft of black armbands.
glkdcdes Posted 7 November, 2009 Posted 7 November, 2009 Why? Seemed a perfectly reasonable question, given Rovers weren't wearing them. Somewhat of an overreaction I feel... delldays over reacting............never!
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