alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Whilst some posters will take the last six games and say "We will walk this league", and are entitled to do so on the basis of witnessing exciting and quality performances, there are those who will take the last game and say "Here comes the expected collapse in form", and are equally entitled to do so on the basis that this is SFC, the club who have won the least amount of matches in any league over the last 10-odd years, and who seem to have more than their fair share of f**k-ups and forgettable matches. Yes, it is only one match. We responded superbly to going behind to MK Dons, but took a helluva long time to get going against Orient. I think the next few matches will prove season-defining. I am simply hoping that there is no fatigue or complaicency setting in, that AP has the team back focused and raring to go on the 15th, and that no predictability is becoming apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 I have read in a couple of places that Orient had done their homework on us and knew exactly where to hit us last week, and as a result we dropped 2 points. Jeez,another football club management doing job shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Jeez,another football club management doing job shocker Not really sure what your point is. I was questioning our preparation and predictability, not expressing surprise or outrage at the preparation of other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 (edited) James got two of those playing at CM/RM. Which is another reason why he's a useful player to have on the pitch. His adaptability can allow for a tactical switch without a personnel switch I know I'm ploughing a lonely furrow here but I do think James gets unduly slated on here. The guy behind me at Orient shouting 'James you're a c***' everytime he came near made me resolved to stick up for him. edit: Not sure you're right anyway according to the Beebs text report he got an assist in both the Oldham and MK Dons matches when he was at right back (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8295508.stm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8306863.stm) Further edit: The 3rd assist was against Northampton when he was indeed in CM (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_cup/8188512.stm) Edited 3 November, 2009 by SaintDonkey done my research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 [quote=alpine_saint;493728 Yes, it is only one match. We responded superbly to going behind to MK Dons, but took a helluva long time to get going against Orient. I think the next few matches will prove season-defining. I am simply hoping that there is no fatigue or complaicency setting in, that AP has the team back focused and raring to go on the 15th, and that no predictability is becoming apparent. No we didn't. Just because it didn't go in doesn't mean we weren't playing at our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Well, that is complete b*ll*cks for a start, as anyone who wishes to peruse said thread will see... You didn't comment until the post match thread, and even then it was "disappointed", even though 99% of people were thrilled we'd come from 2 goals down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Which is another reason why he's a useful player to have on the pitch. His adaptability can allow for a tactical switch without a personnel switch I know I'm ploughing a lonely furrow here but I do think James gets unduly slated on here. The guy behind me at Orient shouting 'James you're a c***' everytime he came near made me resolved to stick up for him. I thnik he's quality, just not at RB. I'd love to see him take Wottons place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Indeed. "The team got ****y today I reckon". "The game should have been dead and buried by us before now". "Considering the amount of chances we've had, this is a sh*t result". I think the point St Will was making was that you are quick enough to criticise when things aren't going our way, yet when things are going against us...well, just look. thanks for taking the time to prove my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 I thnik he's quality, just not at RB. I'd love to see him take Wottons place. I think that may happen when Murty is fit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Their first goal was more down that fact that Harding had left his man COMPLETELY unmarked to provide the cross rather than a 'gameplan' . Other than that there was an own goal and not too much else,so I can't really see a chink in our armour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 I thnik he's quality, just not at RB. I'd love to see him take Wottons place. Can't say I disagree with you on that front Nothing against Wotton - he does a job. I just think James could do that job better given a run in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Whilst some posters will take the last six games and say "We will walk this league", and are entitled to do so on the basis of witnessing exciting and quality performances, there are those who will take the last game and say "Here comes the expected collapse in form", and are equally entitled to do so on the basis that this is SFC, the club who have won the least amount of matches in any league over the last 10-odd years, and who seem to have more than their fair share of f**k-ups and forgettable matches. Yes, it is only one match. We responded superbly to going behind to MK Dons, but took a helluva long time to get going against Orient. I think the next few matches will prove season-defining. I am simply hoping that there is no fatigue or complaicency setting in, that AP has the team back focused and raring to go on the 15th, and that no predictability is becoming apparent. And yet you fail to recognise that most fans' opinions lie somewhere between the two polar opposites you have represented. I don't know of too many that think we will "walk this league" based just on the last 6 games. Furthermore, I don't know of many others that think we're on the brink of a massive collapse just because Orient put 2 goals past us. I would suggest most fans would recognise that we have markedly improved since the start of the season, that we are one of the stronger teams in the league right now, but are still a work in progress. We're still perhaps a little bit away from where we and the manager want us to be, but for me there are many, many more signs for optimism than pessimism right now. Different strokes though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Look, what do you want me to say ? I dont give a stuff about bunny-wunnies and headlights, the bottom line is until the last 10% of the game, we couldnt get the ball in the net and they managed twice. Yes, the likes of Lallana and Schneiderlin left their shooting boots at home, but nevertheless, games arent decided by volume of posession. ok, if you are only interested in the bottom line (nothing like op but still will humour your defensiveness!) Results - over 2 months -plenty of time for other scouts to watch how we play; D 2-2 W 3-1 W 3-1 W 3-1 W after pens W 4-1 L 2-3 D 1-1 W 2-0 D 1-1 D 0-0 Can't see too much of a problem, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 ok, if you are only interested in the bottom line (nothing like op but still will humour your defensiveness!) Results - over 2 months -plenty of time for other scouts to watch how we play; D 2-2 W 3-1 W 3-1 W 3-1 W after pens W 4-1 L 2-3 D 1-1 W 2-0 D 1-1 D 0-0 Can't see too much of a problem, can you? When you put it like that it looks f*cking immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Whilst most posters will take the last six games and say "We will do pretty well in this league", and are entitled to do so on the basis of witnessing exciting and quality performances, I will take the last game and say "Here comes the expected collapse in form", and I am equally entitled to do so on the basis that this is SFC, the club who have won the least amount of matches in any league over the last 10-odd years, and who seem to have more than their fair share of f**k-ups and forgettable matches. Yes, it is only one match. We responded superbly to going behind to MK Dons, but took a helluva long time to get going against Orient. I think the next few matches will prove season-defining. I am simply hoping that there is no fatigue or complaicency setting in, that AP has the team back focused and raring to go on the 15th, and that no predictability is becoming apparent. sums it up really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 When you put it like that it looks f*cking immense. but unfortunately some have spotted the obvious downward trend in form;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Last seven games: Lost 2-3 Drew 2-2 (cup game) Won 4-1 Won 3-1 Won 3-1 Won 3-1 Drew 2-2 For those interested in stats, out of the games listed, the opposition have scored in the following order: first goal 3 times, second goal 5 times, third goal 1 time, fourth goal 1 time fifth goal 1 time (out of 2) Whereas games before the Rovers game we were tending to score first then concede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 but unfortunately some have spotted the obvious downward trend in form;) :smt040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 True but James has weighed in with at least 3 assists this season (not sure how they calulate these, but that's second only to Lambert) so it's a balance thing. You lose a little defensively, gain a little going forwards. I agree but that area is currently our one weak spot and if I were a manager that is the area I'd look to exploit. That said, I'd sooner have our full backs playing with an attacking mindset as they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 You didn't comment until the post match thread, and even then it was "disappointed", even though 99% of people were thrilled we'd come from 2 goals down Andy your point is what, exactly ? You trying to tell me what to think ? You all seem to think we are a much better team than Orient, yet you are thrilled to get a draw. To describe that as bizarre doesnt do it justice... I think we are a much better team than them, and am p*ssed off that we didnt thump them into the middle of next week. At least i am more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 sums it up really! Quoting peoples posts then mis-representing their comments by editing them is amongst the most juvenile of activities that take place on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Andy your point is what, exactly ? You trying to tell me what to think ? You all seem to think we are a much better team than Orient, yet you are thrilled to get a draw. To describe that as bizarre doesnt do it justice... I think we are a much better team than them, and am p*ssed off that we didnt thump them into the middle of next week. At least i am more consistent. When you've been unlucky and missed a load of chances, gone 2-0 down due to an unlucky own goal, away from home, and managed to fight back to 2-2, and nearly won it, I think it's fair enough to think that it was a pretty good result. As you being more consistent, that is laughable. 1 draw and you're already complaining. Even after 5 straight wins. That isn't consistent at all. That's being fickle, and it's an overreaction. YOU CANNOT WIN EVERY GAME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Alpine... seriously buddy... is football really for you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Quoting peoples posts then mis-representing their comments by editing them is amongst the most juvenile of activities that take place on this site. alps - thats the first post on here genuinely to make me lol in long time! Thanks. Your first post was fairly put. There were many football posts saying why majority think you have nothing to base your fears on, you ignore most of those and seem to play to your image. And my misquoting - wasn't really much of a change and many a true word and all that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 When you've been unlucky and missed a load of chances, gone 2-0 down due to an unlucky own goal, away from home, and managed to fight back to 2-2, and nearly won it, I think it's fair enough to think that it was a pretty good result. As you being more consistent, that is laughable. 1 draw and you're already complaining. Even after 5 straight wins. That isn't consistent at all. That's being fickle, and it's an overreaction. YOU CANNOT WIN EVERY GAME. This was Orient. NOT Leeds United NOT Charlton (we broke their winning run) NOT Bristol Rovers NOT MK Dons (we've done them over already). If we want to progress, want to get to the play offs, get promoted, we have to do the business against the likes of Orient week-in, week-out, to compensate for the "CANNOT WIN EVERY GAME" situation against the big teams. It aint rocket science. Yes we are much improved since September, but the Orient result tells me we are not the finished article, so all the "we're going to the playoffs" talk is totally premature. I am concerned that there are still weaknesses in the team to be exposed, and Orient managed to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 ok, if you are only interested in the bottom line (nothing like op but still will humour your defensiveness!) Results - over 2 months -plenty of time for other scouts to watch how we play; D 2-2 W 3-1 W 3-1 W 3-1 W after pens W 4-1 L 2-3 D 1-1 W 2-0 D 1-1 D 0-0Can't see too much of a problem, can you? Andy your point is what, exactly ? You trying to tell me what to think ? You all seem to think we are a much better team than Orient, yet you are thrilled to get a draw. To describe that as bizarre doesnt do it justice... I think we are a much better team than them, and am p*ssed off that we didnt thump them into the middle of next week. At least i am more consistent. This is what we are thrilled about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 alps - thats the first post on here genuinely to make me lol in long time! Thanks. Your first post was fairly put. There were many football posts saying why majority think you have nothing to base your fears on, you ignore most of those and seem to play to your image. And my misquoting - wasn't really much of a change and many a true word and all that! I havent responded to the football answers, because I understand, nay sympathise with the sentiments they express, but the paranoid side of me, the side that has watched footballing disaster after footballing disaster befall this club for 30-odd years, cannot let go of the fact that the next slump is probably round the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 I am concerned that there are still weaknesses in the team to be exposed, and Orient managed to find one. And what weakness did Orient expose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 And what weakness did Orient expose? That our defence is still shaky against crosses, and the team is still shaky against direct attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Alpine... seriously buddy... is football really for you?? If by that you mean I cannot hack the winsome "cant win them all" shrug of shoulders and lack of ambition demonstrated by certain elements of our fan base, then you are correct. But I am Southampton born-and-bred, I wasnt born in the right part of Manchester, for my sins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 This was Orient. NOT Leeds United NOT Charlton (we broke their winning run) NOT Bristol Rovers NOT MK Dons (we've done them over already). If we want to progress, want to get to the play offs, get promoted, we have to do the business against the likes of Orient week-in, week-out, to compensate for the "CANNOT WIN EVERY GAME" situation against the big teams. It aint rocket science. Yes we are much improved since September, but the Orient result tells me we are not the finished article, so all the "we're going to the playoffs" talk is totally premature. I am concerned that there are still weaknesses in the team to be exposed, and Orient managed to find one. you are aware that not a single team, in any of the four divisions can better our form over the last 5 games? Therefore no-one is close to being the finished article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 St Will is a total numpty but Alps you don't half come out with some rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 That our defence is still shaky against crosses, and the team is still shaky against direct attacking. Alpine wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 That our defence is still shaky against crosses, and the team is still shaky against direct attacking. its not - its our strength - Trottman and Jaidi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 This was Orient. NOT Leeds United NOT Charlton (we broke their winning run) NOT Bristol Rovers NOT MK Dons (we've done them over already). If we want to progress, want to get to the play offs, get promoted, we have to do the business against the likes of Orient week-in, week-out, to compensate for the "CANNOT WIN EVERY GAME" situation against the big teams. It aint rocket science. Yes we are much improved since September, but the Orient result tells me we are not the finished article, so all the "we're going to the playoffs" talk is totally premature. I am concerned that there are still weaknesses in the team to be exposed, and Orient managed to find one. OK so if we lose to Charlton next week in the JPT, are you going to come on here and say "well, they're a better team than us, so it's not all that much of a surprise"? No, you'll come on here and say that your fears after the Orient game are coming true, blah blah blah. We were UNLUCKY to draw against Orient. UNLUCKY. Unlucky, unlucky, unlucky. It happens. It's not a computer game. We missed loads of chances, that's why we only drew. It was nothing to do with the preparation or Orient figuring us out. Despite all that, we still nearly won a game that we were 2 goals down in. The problem I and others have with you is that you completely and utterly refuse to see the positives from Saturday's game. 2-0 and we didn't capitulate. We fought back, we battled, we got level, and we nearly won. It doesn't matter who it was against. That shows bottle and it shows heart. There is nothing to suggest whatsoever that we are on a downhill spiral. It's 1 game! If you took the time to look at our past results, and to read over everyone's posts on this thread, you will see that you are being irrational, and your fears are unnecessary!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 you are aware that not a single team, in any of the four divisions can better our form over the last 5 games? Therefore no-one is close to being the finished article! What shall we do then, let the team pat themselves on the back and let them sit back on their laurels ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 its not - its our strength - Trottman and Jaidi. There were several comments on the match thread on Saturday about Jaidi "having a mare", and Trottman conceeded the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Think have added all I can on football issues and form etc and am trying not to get personal so think its time to move to another thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 OK so if we lose to Charlton next week in the JPT, are you going to come on here and say "well, they're a better team than us, so it's not all that much of a surprise"? No, you'll come on here and say that your fears after the Orient game are coming true, blah blah blah. We were UNLUCKY to draw against Orient. UNLUCKY. Unlucky, unlucky, unlucky. It happens. It's not a computer game. We missed loads of chances, that's why we only drew. It was nothing to do with the preparation or Orient figuring us out. Despite all that, we still nearly won a game that we were 2 goals down in. The problem I and others have with you is that you completely and utterly refuse to see the positives from Saturday's game. 2-0 and we didn't capitulate. We fought back, we battled, we got level, and we nearly won. It doesn't matter who it was against. That shows bottle and it shows heart. There is nothing to suggest whatsoever that we are on a downhill spiral. It's 1 game! If you took the time to look at our past results, and to read over everyone's posts on this thread, you will see that you are being irrational, and your fears are unnecessary!! Nope, you really dont get me at all, do you ? We shouldnt have needed to fight back against a team like that. Do you REALLY not get it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 That our defence is still shaky against crosses, and the team is still shaky against direct attacking. And you extrapolate that from ONE singular game? Is it possible that the team had an off day like EVERY single club that has ever existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 And you extrapolate that from ONE singular game? Is it possible that the team had an off day like EVERY single club that has ever existed? Teams seeking promotion (especially starting from -10) cant afford off-games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Willy is still going for it. Well done willy for doing your large part in ruining this thread. I can't wait till you ruin another Gooooooo willy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Anyhow, this is getting pointless. Here's to revenge against Bristol Rovers and a resumption of good league form thereafter.. We can all agree on that, cant we ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 That our defence is still shaky against crosses, and the team is still shaky against direct attacking. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 This was Orient. NOT Leeds United who in October lost to Millwall, who we drew with. NOT Charlton (we broke their winning run) and who in October drew with Oldham and Gillingham, teams we beat, and lost to Carlisle, a team we drew with. NOT Bristol Rovers who in October lost to Southend and Yeovil, teams we beat, as well as Norwich and Leeds. NOT MK Dons (we've done them over already).we beat them, and they're one of the form sides of the league. You seem to expect us to win every game, when it's clear to see our rivals don't. I've said it before. We will lose games, and draw some. And not just against the big teams, its inevitable we'll drop points against the lesser lights. It happens. But it doesn't spell doom because we drew with Orient away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 There were several comments on the match thread on Saturday about Jaidi "having a mare", and Trottman conceeded the goal. Again, our defenders have ONE poor game and suddenly we have a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Willy is still going for it. Well done willy for doing your large part in ruining this thread. I can't wait till you ruin another Gooooooo willy To be fair, your contributions to the thread haven't been great either have they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Nope, you really dont get me at all, do you ? We shouldnt have needed to fight back against a team like that. Do you REALLY not get it ? No no, it's YOU who does not get it. You obviously know nothing about football, and nothing about sport. If all people in sport thought like you did, they would all fail. Thank god I don't think like you do when I go out and play in tournaments. I know I'm better than 95% of the players I play against in tournaments, yet I still know I have a job to do, and no matter how much better I am, it will happen that occasionally a sh1te player will beat me. That is sport; that is life. All you can do is play the situation you have in front of you. Against MK Dons, we were unlucky to go 1-0 down, but we fought back and got the win. We were desperately unlucky to go 2-0 down at Orient. But we did. Sh1te happens. Sh1te happens to teams all over the country, every single week. Most of them will capitulate and give up, they will think "it's not our day" and just give up. But our new Saints team didn't do that. THAT'S why it was a good result. Just because we SHOULD beat them, doesn't mean it's automatically a bad result if we don't. Just look at the story of the game, for crying out loud. A 2-2 draw after everything that happened was a bloody good result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Why is it that any thread started by alpine degenerates? Damnit people he's actually a fairly intelligent poster most of the time he just has his own opinion unlike some of his critics who crucify him when he says anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2009 Share Posted 3 November, 2009 Teams seeking promotion (especially starting from -10) cant afford off-games. Well then no team is seeking promotion then? What about when Leeds lost to Millwall the other week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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