NickG Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 ;)why when you look at the weeks fixtures do they start with monday and finish Sunday?:confused:
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 You'll be telling me Monday is the first day of the week next...when in fact it's Sunday... It varies from country to country, which is why the week numbers are not universal throughout the world. I once had to write a computer algorithm for displaying the week number and found out that there are two definitions.
trousers Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 I'm thinking of England as that's where I live. First day of the week in england is Sunday. Most people think it's Monday I do believe.
trousers Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 Trousers, stop being an arse and talk about something more interesting. FFS
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 I'm thinking of England as that's where I live. First day of the week in england is Sunday. Most people think it's Monday I do believe. Interestingly enough my pocket diary (as supplied by the IET) is a week per page format and that starts on a Monday! Not only that, so do the week numbers! (you can tell that there's not much football news).
Jez Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 This article says Boxing Day is always the 26th, but then the next available weekday is simply a bank holiday, not Boxing Day itself. http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/uk/boxing-day :smt015
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 November, 2009 Posted 4 November, 2009 Bah Humbug. I hate Christmas. Anybody else?
Eastcowzer Posted 5 November, 2009 Posted 5 November, 2009 Incorrect. That's a common misconception. Boxing Day is the first working day after Christmas day. The Oxford English Dictionary concurs. As Boxing Day, (i.e. The feast day of St Stephen for those spiritual), is a fixed Bank Holida on the 26th December, any other date is not valid. However, in the years 2009/10/11. Christmas Day and Boxing Day fall on either a Saturday, or Sunday. In these cases, when banks would normally be closed anyway, two additional days were set aside to appease those workers who felt they were deprived of up to two days holiday, hence you are correct in stating that the 29th December will be the first working day but it will not be called Boxing Day. Amen.
Big John Posted 5 November, 2009 Posted 5 November, 2009 As Boxing Day, (i.e. The feast day of St Stephen for those spiritual), is a fixed Bank Holida on the 26th December, any other date is not valid....it will not be called Boxing Day. Amen. In our house it's called 'Pizza Day' Deep Pan, Crisp and even.
suewhistle Posted 5 November, 2009 Posted 5 November, 2009 St Stephen is also the day for going Wren hunting, although I shall make do with coming over for the Exeter match, although it means I'm going to have to hire a car.... unless anybody is going to the match from Maidenhead, Berks??
Eastcowzer Posted 5 November, 2009 Posted 5 November, 2009 In our house it's called 'Pizza Day' Deep Pan, Crisp and even. Well spoken, Wenceslaus. You 'ave to laff, dontcha.
The9 Posted 5 November, 2009 Posted 5 November, 2009 As Boxing Day, (i.e. The feast day of St Stephen for those spiritual), is a fixed Bank Holida on the 26th December, any other date is not valid. However, in the years 2009/10/11. Christmas Day and Boxing Day fall on either a Saturday, or Sunday. In these cases, when banks would normally be closed anyway, two additional days were set aside to appease those workers who felt they were deprived of up to two days holiday, hence you are correct in stating that the 29th December will be the first working day but it will not be called Boxing Day. Amen. Wikipedia is pretty clear that you are wrong. Public holiday Boxing Day is traditionally celebrated on 26 December, St. Stephen's Day, the day after Christmas Day.[1][2] Unlike St. Stephen's Day, Boxing Day is a secular holiday and is not always on 26 December: the public holiday is generally moved to the following Monday if 26 December is a Saturday
Neil Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Looks like a 3.00 KO. VT v Totton is now an 11.30 KO, so people can get along to the Saints game as well afterwards. So if anyone fancies an early start in Sholing, hair of the dog etc then over to SMS...
Ponty Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 I'm thinking of England as that's where I live. First day of the week in england is Sunday. Most people think it's Monday I do believe. That doesn't make sense though Trousers. Sunday must be the last day of the week as it's the Sabbath, the day of rest. Why would God have rested on the first day of the week, unless he was just chilling and getting his energy up for the torrid 6 days ahead. Mind you, he does move in mysterious ways, I guess. What sort of idiot would sit down and create a world with the lights off?
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 That doesn't make sense though Trousers. Sunday must be the last day of the week as it's the Sabbath, the day of rest. Why would God have rested on the first day of the week, unless he was just chilling and getting his energy up for the torrid 6 days ahead. Mind you, he does move in mysterious ways, I guess. What sort of idiot would sit down and create a world with the lights off? Maybe He was ****ged out after creating another galaxy and we were next on His list?
trousers Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 That doesn't make sense though Trousers. Sunday must be the last day of the week as it's the Sabbath, the day of rest. Why would God have rested on the first day of the week, unless he was just chilling and getting his energy up for the torrid 6 days ahead. Mind you, he does move in mysterious ways, I guess. What sort of idiot would sit down and create a world with the lights off? Deep sigh.... Ok....for the hard of understanding......One last time..... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sunday?jss=1 Sun⋅day /ˈsʌndeɪ, -di/[suhn-dey, -dee] –noun 1.the first day of the week, observed as the Sabbath by most Christian sects. And while we're at it..... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Boxing+Day Boxing Day –noun (in Britain) the first weekday after Christmas, when Christmas gifts or boxes are given to employees, letter carriers, etc. Origin: 1825–35 FFS http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ffs
trousers Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Maybe He was ****ged out after creating another galaxy and we were next on His list? Her HTH
trousers Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 you are correct in stating that the 29th December will be the first working day but it will not be called Boxing Day. Amen. Oh yes it will....
Ponty Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 I agree about Boxing Day, btw, Trousers. I was only having the same discussion at work today. Sunday can't be the first day of the week though. That makes no sense.
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Deep sigh.... Ok....for the hard of understanding......One last time..... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sunday?jss=1 And while we're at it..... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Boxing+Day FFS http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ffs The usage has varied over the years and these terms mean different things to different people. Who is to say what is right and what is wrong? `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
RonManager Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Oh yes it will.... Don't worry, soon it will be January and you can forget all about it for another year
trousers Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 The usage has varied over the years and these terms mean different things to different people. Who is to say what is right and what is wrong? `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' So, just to clarify, how many people do I need to convince that green is blue before it becomes common enough to be deemed true by the great ambivalent English speaking nations of the world? I use the Oxford English Dictionary definitions for what is right or wrong in the English language. Call me old fashioned. "Trousers" "Yes?" "You're old fashioned"
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Oh yes it will.... You can tell it's pantomime season (Oh no it isn't)
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 So, just to clarify, how many people do I need to convince that green is blue before it becomes common enough to be deemed true by the great ambivalent English speaking nations of the world? I use the Oxford English Dictionary definitions for what is right or wrong in the English language. Call me old fashioned. Tell that to our government: 'For example in 2009, Boxing Day is actually on Saturday, 26 December, so there is a substitute bank holiday on Monday, 28 December.' ( http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/LivingintheUK/DG_073741 )
Ponty Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 We all know that the Government know feck all.
La BoIS Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Posted 30 November, 2009 Can anyone remind me when the Millennium was?
eesti matty Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Can anyone remind me when the Millennium was? I think it was when Maxine first met you!
trousers Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 We all know that the Government know feck all. Indeed. Case closed.
CLOTH EARS Posted 1 December, 2009 Posted 1 December, 2009 Does anybody fancy watching two games on 26th December? The VT v AFC Totton top of the table clash kicks off at 11.30am at Portsmouth Road ( opposite Veals ). Lots of Totton fans will be going over, then popping over to St Marys for the Exeter match at 3pm.
NickG Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Its not a misconception there are two schools of thought. One that it is common term for day after Christmas, the other that it sits with next working day - as that is how it started i.e. an extra holiday. I go with the Christmas Radio Times and they will have the 26th as "Christmas Saturday" and the 28th as "Boxing Day". I bet the Itchen Bridge isn't free for 4 days though! Christmas Radio times is now out...... ....December 26th is called..."Boxing Day"!!!! Monday the 28th is called..."Monday 28th (Bank Holiday).
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Its not a misconception there are two schools of thought. One that it is common term for day after Christmas, the other that it sits with next working day - as that is how it started i.e. an extra holiday. The day after Christmas was not a holiday until the Bank Holidays Act of 1871. Until then the only days off were Christmas Day and Good Friday. If you do your family history you will find that many people got married on Christmas Day because it was the only day they had off work. The same act defined Boxing day as always the 26th December with the corresponding bank holiday moving to the Monday in cases such as this year.
Wes Tender Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 I regret to admit that I am old enough to recall that if Christmas Day and Boxing Day (the following day) fell on a Saturday and Sunday, that was tough. You were back at work on the Monday, having also worked the Christmas Eve. There was no such thing as having New Years Day off either. In historical terms, it is only comparatively recently that we have had this system introduced whereby the poor worker feels so hard done by when those days fall on a weekend and of course, we couldn't possibly expect people to work on the New Years Day when they had been out on the p*ss the night before. The trouble with this all is that because the weekend intervenes somewhere along the line, the situation has arisen whereby it is not deemed worthwhile for many businesses to reopen for the intervening one or two days falling between Christmas and the New Year and then often there are weekends falling on the New Year too, so that many have a holiday between Christmas Eve and up to the 4th/5th January. Now, it might be that this has all evolved to bring us into line with our European counterparts, many of whom have holidays on patron Saints days and commemorate national days, but in reality, it is not much fun having so much time off at the very poorest time of the year weather wise. Some are lucky enough to head for warmer climes during that time, or to go skiing in Europe, (provided that they are not flying British Airways), but for others, nothing could be worse than nearly two weeks off during the dullest, dingiest, darkest, dankest, most dismal time of the year. Any Government with any sense would come to an arrangement with the Unions to take a week off the Christmas holidays and grant it for August instead.
krissyboy31 Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Christmas Radio times is now out...... ....December 26th is called..."Boxing Day"!!!! Monday the 28th is called..."Monday 28th (Bank Holiday). I thought we'd already ascertained that Saturday (for these purposes) counted as a working day and therefore qualifies as Boxing Day. Whereas Sunday can not be a Boxing Day, so next year the 26th is Christmas Sunday and the 27th is Boxing Day?
NickG Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Too late, you agreed the Christmas radio times would have the final word. We play Exeter on Boxing Day. When my parent invite us over for dinner on Boxing Day I think they would be pretty p1ssed off if we didn't arrive until the Monday!
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 I'm with you, Wes. As a manufacturer this period drives me up the wall. Everybody winds down and after next Monday you can forget it. Then when they get back on the 4th January it takes a week to get back running again. On top of all that I've got the Chinese New Year to consider at the end of January. What I cannot understand is why, if 1st January is a Saturday or Sunday, then the Bank Holiday is the following Monday? Surely the Firday would be better. Why do people want so much time off at the darkest, coldest, dreariest time of the year. The French arm of my business do not get Boxing Day off (doesn't matter which day, they just don't get it) and if a public holiday falls on a weekend then 'tough' so they carry on working and expect support throughout the 'festive period'. So it's holiday in the spring, summer, autumn for me when I can indulge in 'outdoor pursuits'.
krissyboy31 Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Too late, you agreed the Christmas radio times would have the final word. We play Exeter on Boxing Day. When my parent invite us over for dinner on Boxing Day I think they would be pretty p1ssed off if we didn't arrive until the Monday! I didn't realise we were playing against the clock, Countdown stylee!! Anyway, I was agreeing with the Radio Times. Next year however...........
trousers Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Christmas Radio times is now out...... ....December 26th is called..."Boxing Day"!!!! Monday the 28th is called..."Monday 28th (Bank Holiday). That's what happens when a national institution that upheld correctness as a beacon to the world is sold off and dumbed down into a TV Times clone. I really do fear for this country.
Scummer Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 That's what happens when a national institution that upheld correctness as a beacon to the world is sold off and dumbed down into a TV Times clone. I really do fear for this country. Just for completeness, all the TV magazines have the 26th as Boxing Day.
trousers Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Just for completeness, all the TV magazines have the 26th as Boxing Day. Which precisely illustrates my point that everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator these days. I suppose even Heat magazine, the intellectual tome that it is, has chosen to go with the easy option. What sort of sad society have we ended up with whereby the dictionary is the last place that the majority of people go to content themselves with the definition of a word or phrase. Heavens above.
Saint_clark Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Trousers, stop being an arse and talk about something more interesting. FFS
trousers Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Trousers, stop being an arse and talk about something more interesting. FFS A fair request in the circumstances.
Wes Tender Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 I'm with you, Wes. As a manufacturer this period drives me up the wall. Everybody winds down and after next Monday you can forget it. Then when they get back on the 4th January it takes a week to get back running again. On top of all that I've got the Chinese New Year to consider at the end of January. What I cannot understand is why, if 1st January is a Saturday or Sunday, then the Bank Holiday is the following Monday? Surely the Firday would be better. Why do people want so much time off at the darkest, coldest, dreariest time of the year. The French arm of my business do not get Boxing Day off (doesn't matter which day, they just don't get it) and if a public holiday falls on a weekend then 'tough' so they carry on working and expect support throughout the 'festive period'. So it's holiday in the spring, summer, autumn for me when I can indulge in 'outdoor pursuits'. And Christmas starts in the malls before the end of October, so that by the time it has actually arrived, one is heartily sick of it anyway. The blatant consumerism has killed the Christmas spirit stone dead. And then when Boxing Day is over, there are several days of nothingness apart from endless dross and repeats on the telly and suffering from the excesses of too much rich food and too much drink. No relief from seeing clients, as most of them have shut up shop until the first week in January. At least one can console oneself that after the 21st, the days are once again getting longer. I usually go away to the Far East for some tropical sun for three weeks from just before the New Year, but can't this year. Oh well, at least there are one or two home matches that I would otherwise have missed to console myself.
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Boxing Day falls on Monday 28th December this year so the answer is Colchester away. We play Exeter on the day after Christmas Day (i.e. Saturday 26th December) Surely Boxing day is the 26th?? The day after Christmas - Monday is just a bank holiday as one of the two official holidays is a weekend, which is a day off anyway??:confused:
benjii Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 That doesn't make sense though Trousers. Sunday must be the last day of the week as it's the Sabbath, the day of rest. Why would God have rested on the first day of the week, unless he was just chilling and getting his energy up for the torrid 6 days ahead. Mind you, he does move in mysterious ways, I guess. What sort of idiot would sit down and create a world with the lights off? The Sabbath is Friday.
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 I'm thinking of England as that's where I live. First day of the week in england is Sunday. Most people think it's Monday I do believe. What are you doing at the weekend?.... being Saturday and Sunday, Monday being the accepted start of the new work/school week - But Sunday being the actual start of the week! but in the bible the sabath was the last day and a day of rest after 6 days of toil...... and on the seventh day (and all that!) pretty ambiguous one thinks:smt074
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 In our house it's called 'Pizza Day' .... and not a good pan full of fried up sprouts and mash and turkey? what sort of house do you live in?
trousers Posted 15 December, 2009 Posted 15 December, 2009 Surely Boxing day is the 26th?? The day after Christmas - Monday is just a bank holiday as one of the two official holidays is a weekend, which is a day off anyway??:confused: I'm officially not allowed to comment on this anymore. Except to say that Boxing Day is the first week day after Christmas day. But I can't say anymore. Honest.
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