The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Someone somewhere will sign him upon release - they always do. King himself will give it the massive "I've had time to think about life"/"I'm a changed man"/"I've found God"/"I am so sorry - but my life has been hell inside - that was the Marlon King of old & now I'm a completely reformed character" bollix. Expect his life story to appear on the front pages of the tabloids upon release and Max Clifford to book endless sob stories on Piers Morgan/Jonathon Ross/GMTV/whatever. Finally; TalkSport or a cable football channel will offer him £50K a year if no club want his services. Cynical? Me? Naah... Sounds pretty likely though. Incidentally, does anyone have a breakdown of King's "previous"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I dont favour an FA/UEFA/FIFA ban for the likes of Hughes, McCormick or King. Besides, its illegal, you cannot under European Law deny a person their right to ply their legitimate trade. Its down to the morality of individual clubs to decide if they want to pay huge sums of money to players like this. And hopefully, pressure from the decent elements of the fan base will mean not many clubs will step forward and their options will be limited. One thing though : I cant see King demanding 35 grand a week and wearing Rolex watches when does find a club to take him after his sentence. He has seriously damaged his value. I suppose we will see how much he really wants to play football then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 from another thread that was deleted in the lounge about some people who killed a child, once you have served your time you should be free to live your life how you see fit, as long as that is a lawful manner MK should be able to continue with his profession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I dont favour an FA/UEFA/FIFA ban for the likes of Hughes, McCormick or King. Besides, its illegal, you cannot under European Law deny a person their right to ply their legitimate trade. Its down to the morality of individual clubs to decide if they want to pay huge sums of money to players like this. And hopefully, pressure from the decent elements of the fan base will mean not many clubs will step forward and their options will be limited. One thing though : I cant see King demanding 35 grand a week and wearing Rolex watches when does find a club to take him after his sentence. He has seriously damaged his value. I suppose we will see how much he really wants to play football then... As a tainted Premier League player he'll walk into, at worst, a Championship level club, provided he maintains his fitness. Lee Hughes only dropped one division and serial offender Joey Barton would be in the same place had his colleagues been able to defend and score goals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 There are a lot of high horses on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 from another thread that was deleted in the lounge about some people who killed a child, once you have served your time you should be free to live your life how you see fit, as long as that is a lawful manner MK should be able to continue with his profession I can't argue with that principle, the only problem I have with that part of the system is people not serving the time they're sentenced for. That's to do with the practicalities of funding the prison service, not the concepts of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Besides, its illegal, you cannot under European Law deny a person their right to ply their legitimate trade. But if a doctor is struck off, he can't be a doctor anymore though... ditto a solicitor and most other professional professions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Sounds pretty likely though. Incidentally, does anyone have a breakdown of King's "previous"? While on loan to Hull City, King was alleged to have headbutted teammate Dean Windass in a casino in Scarborough. Hull City stated that the matter had been dealt with internally, and both players remained with the club. Windass later described the incident as a "storm in a teacup". King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London. Two cases have lead to imprisonment. In May 2002 he received an eighteen month prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, in relation to a BMW convertible that he was found driving. He was found not guilty of a charge of assaulting a police officer in a related case. His solicitor commented that "His reputation will be tarnished forever, whatever success he achieves, he'll always be referred to in a Tyson-esque way as someone who has had a criminal past and that is a considerable penalty." Gillingham continued to pay his salary while he was in jail, and supported in his appeal, which resulted in the sentence being reduced to nine months, and he was released on licence after five months, returning to the Gillingham team within two days of his release. In December 2008, again in the Soho area, he was arrested on suspicion of punching a 20 year-old female university student in the face, causing a broken nose and split lip for which she was treated in hospital. He was later convicted of sexual assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and sentenced to 18 months in prison and placed on the sex offender register for seven years. He has indicated he will appeal against the length of his jail sentence. Wigan Athletic immediately initiated the cancellation of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 But if a doctor is struck off, he can't be a doctor anymore though... ditto a solicitor and most other professional professions. Thats different and you know it. That is about gross misconduct in your profession, not your private life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 While on loan to Hull City, King was alleged to have headbutted teammate Dean Windass in a casino in Scarborough. Hull City stated that the matter had been dealt with internally, and both players remained with the club. Windass later described the incident as a "storm in a teacup". King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London. Two cases have lead to imprisonment. In May 2002 he received an eighteen month prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, in relation to a BMW convertible that he was found driving. He was found not guilty of a charge of assaulting a police officer in a related case. His solicitor commented that "His reputation will be tarnished forever, whatever success he achieves, he'll always be referred to in a Tyson-esque way as someone who has had a criminal past and that is a considerable penalty." Gillingham continued to pay his salary while he was in jail, and supported in his appeal, which resulted in the sentence being reduced to nine months, and he was released on licence after five months, returning to the Gillingham team within two days of his release. In December 2008, again in the Soho area, he was arrested on suspicion of punching a 20 year-old female university student in the face, causing a broken nose and split lip for which she was treated in hospital. He was later convicted of sexual assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and sentenced to 18 months in prison and placed on the sex offender register for seven years. He has indicated he will appeal against the length of his jail sentence. Wigan Athletic immediately initiated the cancellation of his contract. In short a prize w**ker. My compliments to Wigan for sacking him, and the question has to be asked if Gillingham had taken tougher action by firing him, would he not have progressed so far in the sport and would it have prevented the public from a lot of grief he has caused ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Thats different and you know it. That is about gross misconduct in your profession, not your private life. No, not always. A doctor can be struck of the register for "bringing the profession in to disrepute" for something that happened away from his or her job. As an extreme example, a doctor that is convicted of rape will NOT be allowed to practice again upon release from prison. Anyway, I am getting WAY off the original point of this thread. For me, I would LOVE our club to become some sort of morale-high-ground club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 While on loan to Hull City, King was alleged to have headbutted teammate Dean Windass in a casino in Scarborough. Hull City stated that the matter had been dealt with internally, and both players remained with the club. Windass later described the incident as a "storm in a teacup". King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London. Two cases have lead to imprisonment. In May 2002 he received an eighteen month prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, in relation to a BMW convertible that he was found driving. He was found not guilty of a charge of assaulting a police officer in a related case. His solicitor commented that "His reputation will be tarnished forever, whatever success he achieves, he'll always be referred to in a Tyson-esque way as someone who has had a criminal past and that is a considerable penalty." Gillingham continued to pay his salary while he was in jail, and supported in his appeal, which resulted in the sentence being reduced to nine months, and he was released on licence after five months, returning to the Gillingham team within two days of his release. In December 2008, again in the Soho area, he was arrested on suspicion of punching a 20 year-old female university student in the face, causing a broken nose and split lip for which she was treated in hospital. He was later convicted of sexual assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and sentenced to 18 months in prison and placed on the sex offender register for seven years. He has indicated he will appeal against the length of his jail sentence. Wigan Athletic immediately initiated the cancellation of his contract. I'm not sure whether to say "rehabilitation looks unlikely then" or the slightly more contentious "bit harsh on Tyson"... Hm, well with THAT in mind I do now think it more likely he would struggle for a club, as he's been trouble at a lower level even before he got the money. Does suggest it's him rather than "football's evils" as well, but also indicates the perils of choosing role models based on shirt colour rather than actions. Pragmatist that I am, I think the decision to employ or not should always be a combination of footballing skill and to a lesser extent potential to disrupt or enhance the squad and its morale. I don't see a proven troublemaker enhancing our squad, but there will still be other sides who need a good striker more than they worry he's going to screw up at some point. If nothing else this also shows just how MUCH you have to do wrong to get custodial sentences... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 In short a prize w**ker. My compliments to Wigan for sacking him, and the question has to be asked if Gillingham had taken tougher action by firing him, would he not have progressed so far in the sport and would it have prevented the public from a lot of grief he has caused ? You might be right, but they were exactly the sort of conditions in which he'll find re-employment next time. Am I thinking of someone else, or did he have a spell at Forest (?) when he came out which turned him into a Prem player rather than a low-level scuffler? You can almost see the thought process and maybe a time of trying to go straight before the old habits returned. Wigan's decision was easy, given that he's barely been playing for them anyway and was on loan to Hull at the time if the incident. He was very easy to dispense with. It also got Dave Whelan some good publicity, and he likes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Hcdajfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Thats not the point he is making. 99% of people would not be able to return to their chosen profression yet footballers are. For joe public coming out of prison is where the real hard work starts - getting employment, they may have lost their house, relationship etc. For Marlon King, yeah 18 months in the slammer isn't nice (it shouldnt be) but once he is released he'll find a club to take him on, prob championsip, earn 8k a week, he'll still have a few mill in the bank, the cars, the house, (not sure about wife though!!). Yes he will have to put up with the crowds giving him stick and he'll have lost a few friends but give it 12 months and his life tyle will pretty much be the same. With Hughes, Robertson, McCormick , yeah they balls up big style and they are/have been punished. What puts MK on a different level is this is not the first time!! MK was in toruble with the law before he became a footballer. He is an entrenched offender - The other 3 are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 He will not be good enough for us and I don't think we need someone with his attitude disrupting the harmony of our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 But if a doctor is struck off, he can't be a doctor anymore though... ditto a solicitor and most other professional professions. I'm pretty sure doctor's don't get struck off for punching someone in the face in a niteclub. They get struck off for malpractice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I'm pretty sure doctor's don't get struck off for punching someone in the face in a niteclub. They get struck off for malpractice No-one said they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 It's about time Football showed some responsibility and ban scumbags like King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MbaleSaint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 It's about time Football showed some responsibility and ban scumbags like King. +1 I am confident this person would not be allowed anywhere near our club and if some mug team takes him on and he visits St mary's I hope he get the abuse he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 No, I wouldn't want him at the club but that is the club's prerogative. I also think he is a "scrote" but he has been punished by the UK judiciary and legal system. Once he has done his time, he should be free to try and gain employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I'm pretty sure doctor's don't get struck off for punching someone in the face in a niteclub. They get struck off for malpractice There are many conditions which could be met that would lead to different levels of losing the job though. If a Doc gets into a punch up on a night out then the likly punishment will be some embarresment at the surgery from fellow workers and instruction from the boss to make a cover story up about getting a black eye while playing rugby. However, if a Doc punches a woman in the face on a night out, drunk or not, I would guess that Doc wouldnt have his job for too long and would need to find another surgery to work at and would probably struggle to find one if the incodent was made public. To add to that MK can add a sexual assult charge which will put him on the sex offenders register for how ever long. Im pretty sure that would be enough to ruin any chance of working as a Doctor or in most professions. Most jobs have a degree of working with the public and as such, employing someone on the sex offenders register would not be tolerated. Allot of places do a police check to make sure they are not hireing anyone that could put there cutomers at risk. So if its OK to stike off a doctor for a similar offence so they could never work in medicine again, should it be OK to do the same to footballers in the same situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 You're dealing with 2 different issues here... However, if a Doc punches a woman in the face on a night out, drunk or not, I would guess that Doc wouldnt have his job for too long and would need to find another surgery to work at and would probably struggle to find one if the incodent was made public. You're absolutely right, he would struggle to find another surgery to work at... but he wouldn't have his license taken away. MK will be in the same situation. the number of clubs willing to take on his services will be significantly less. To add to that MK can add a sexual assult charge which will put him on the sex offenders register for how ever long. Im pretty sure that would be enough to ruin any chance of working as a Doctor or in most professions. Most jobs have a degree of working with the public and as such, employing someone on the sex offenders register would not be tolerated. Allot of places do a police check to make sure they are not hireing anyone that could put there cutomers at risk. So if its OK to stike off a doctor for a similar offence so they could never work in medicine again, should it be OK to do the same to footballers in the same situation? Considering the nature of a doctor's job, he simply couldn't be allowed to work again if he was a registered sex offender. His job involved getting into intimate/private situations with men, women and children. This isn't comparing apples and oranges. MK's job is not one where a potential victim of his sexual abuse is put in danger by using his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Will he be signed by a club and play again-yes, Will he be the same arrogant, ignorant fool-probably. Do I want him influencing and contaminating the younger players and playing for us-No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 This isn't comparing apples and oranges. MK's job is not one where a potential victim of his sexual abuse is put in danger by using his services. I think people have picked up the wrong end of the stick here in relation to the comparison between a professional footballer and a doctor. The original point, that has now been lost, was that someone can be banned from their trade for something that happens outside of that job. This was in reply to Alpine who stated that it would be illegal under European Law to do so. FYI - I dont have anything against Alpine and was not just picking on him, it was the comment I was addressing, not the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 November, 2009 You're dealing with 2 different issues here... You're absolutely right, he would struggle to find another surgery to work at... but he wouldn't have his license taken away. MK will be in the same situation. the number of clubs willing to take on his services will be significantly less. Considering the nature of a doctor's job, he simply couldn't be allowed to work again if he was a registered sex offender. His job involved getting into intimate/private situations with men, women and children. This isn't comparing apples and oranges. MK's job is not one where a potential victim of his sexual abuse is put in danger by using his services. Now use the same example for a policeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Would you be happy if we signed him once he's released ? From what we know of our owner I would have thought the chances of someone with this kind of background signing for Saints are zero. Some other club will take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 While on loan to Hull City, King was alleged to have headbutted teammate Dean Windass in a casino in Scarborough. Hull City stated that the matter had been dealt with internally, and both players remained with the club. Windass later described the incident as a "storm in a teacup". King has convictions for 14 offences, dating from 1997. He received fines, driving bans, community service sentences, a rehabilitation order and orders to pay compensation on convictions including: theft from a person and from a car, criminal damage, and attempting to obtain property by deception; fraudulent use of vehicle licence document, driving without insurance, speeding, drink driving; a wounding incident while playing amateur football, and two cases involving assault of young women rejecting his advances in the Soho area of London. Two cases have lead to imprisonment. In May 2002 he received an eighteen month prison sentence for receiving stolen goods, in relation to a BMW convertible that he was found driving. He was found not guilty of a charge of assaulting a police officer in a related case. His solicitor commented that "His reputation will be tarnished forever, whatever success he achieves, he'll always be referred to in a Tyson-esque way as someone who has had a criminal past and that is a considerable penalty." Gillingham continued to pay his salary while he was in jail, and supported in his appeal, which resulted in the sentence being reduced to nine months, and he was released on licence after five months, returning to the Gillingham team within two days of his release. In December 2008, again in the Soho area, he was arrested on suspicion of punching a 20 year-old female university student in the face, causing a broken nose and split lip for which she was treated in hospital. He was later convicted of sexual assault and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and sentenced to 18 months in prison and placed on the sex offender register for seven years. He has indicated he will appeal against the length of his jail sentence. Wigan Athletic immediately initiated the cancellation of his contract. Well, in wonderful post PC Britain, King is obviously a victim and should receive our total support, the country should pay for his legal fees to sue his nasty employer for cancelling his contract. In fact the people he harmed should be locked up and the key thrown away for enticing him into trouble. Meanwhile in America, 3 strikes and out rule would apply, discussion would be over. Down here - hahaha - just the thought of a Ramadan in the local Al Aweer Hilton would have stopped all of that attitude on day one. Personally you guys should introduce the American system, what you pay in extra taxes for the prisons would be well offset by the reduction in insirances costs and compensation/injruies claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianoneils slidingtackle Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Disgusting that the PFA are supporting the tosser, with the list of convictions that he has you would think they would drop him like a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 He deserves a medal not a prison sentence, women, KNOW YOUR LIMITS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 In my opinion, Gordon Taylor is as big a part of the problem with the behaviour of professional footballers as the money is. There is protecting your members interests, then there is defending the indefensible. totally agree Alpine - never ever should this player be near St Marys! btw love the poppies - respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Would you be happy if we signed him once he's released ? Simples .... NO WAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 very brave of that woman to bare her soul and waive her rights to anonymity in yesterdays NotW. I'm sure she donated all 100% of her fee to some battered womans hostel/charity, although I never saw it mentioned anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 very brave of that woman to bare her soul and waive her rights to anonymity in yesterdays NotW. I'm sure she donated all 100% of her fee to some battered womans hostel/charity, although I never saw it mentioned anywhere. Yeah, she was f**king asking for it, wasnt she ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The FA (or is it UEFA or FIFA or whoever, Im sure someone like The9 or CB will answer that) can, they can blacklist him from the game so he can't play as a professional again. A bit extreme in this circumstance, but it could be done. I would think that his regular offending could be deemed to be bringing disrepute onto the industry, just as inappropriate behaviour can cause a doctor to be struck off. But the FA needs to say what the rules and expectations are, and what the likely punishments are 'up front' - they can't just invent them whenever they feel like it, just because they think this time it's gone too far. It mustn't smack of arbitrariness. In this day and age, young females can be easily impressed by famous and overpaid footballers, and therefore the footballing authorities need to require a high standard of behaviour from these players to go some way towards helping to protect them. After all, other professions are required to behave better than the average thug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Yeah, she was f**king asking for it, wasnt she ??? I thought it made his chances of getting an appeal a tad easier, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I would think that his regular offending could be deemed to be bringing disrepute onto the industry, just as inappropriate behaviour can cause a doctor to be struck off. But the FA needs to say what the rules and expectations are, and what the likely punishments are 'up front' - they can't just invent them whenever they feel like it, just because they think this time it's gone too far. It mustn't smack of arbitrariness.QUOTE] Totally agree with this, he could be charged with bringing the game into disrepute. But the FA/FL would have set up a tariff for length of ban to be served after any jail sentance. These people are idolised by millions of kids (ok maybe not millions in MK's case) so they should be acting like role models. In relation to the OP's question - no way would I want him anywhere near SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I think in such cases, most rationale people would agree that what he did was very, very wrong - however, he does deserve a second chance. The question is though, once released, will this be his second chance, or is it his third, perhaps fourth, maybe fifth...? Just how much slack do you want to cut a guy huh...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 I think in such cases, most rationale people would agree that what he did was very, very wrong - however, he does deserve a second chance. The question is though, once released, will this be his second chance, or is it his third, perhaps fourth, maybe fifth...? Just how much slack do you want to cut a guy huh...? Last count suggested it will be his 15th chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 very brave of that woman to bare her soul and waive her rights to anonymity in yesterdays NotW. I'm sure she donated all 100% of her fee to some battered womans hostel/charity, although I never saw it mentioned anywhere. This is the 1% of me that thinks maybe its a con? If your going to try and stitch someone up to get a bit of money then your not going to choose someone famous that has a whiter than white record so choosing MK should already add weight to your cause. I still think he is guilty by the way but just have a small question mark over the whole thing. Going back to the point with psycrow Originally Posted by Psycrow Considering the nature of a doctor's job, he simply couldn't be allowed to work again if he was a registered sex offender. His job involved getting into intimate/private situations with men, women and children. This isn't comparing apples and oranges. MK's job is not one where a potential victim of his sexual abuse is put in danger by using his services. A registered Sex offender is still a registered sex offender no matter what level the offence. MK's actions that will earn him that title seem to be a little more than some stupid harrasment (not the punch in the face mind) but he will be known as a Sex offender all the same. Working at a football club there will un-doubtedly be women working there and also have a fan base including many women and children. Can you imagine SFC wheeling out a player on the sex offenders list to open a new class room at a local school? What we dont know is if there is anything in the contract of players or any code of conduct for the club that prevents contracting anyone on the list. I doubt there is but then in this day and age I doubt there needs to be as public perception is very important and there cant be many clubs that would want to be seen supporting anyone that has gone down that road. Its a bit different supporting someone who has not been found guilty to one that has. I suppose that IMO it doesnt matter what the offence is or the punishment served, If the person wants to get his or her life back on track in what ever proffession they will have to go above and beyond to prove to society that they deserve a chance to rebuild there chosen career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The bloke has had countless amount of chances, I'm sure there's been stuff that hasn't even made the courts that he's got away with! As far as I'm concerned being a footballer is a privilege and to use that status to be arrogant and show that you are better than everyone else is c*ntish behaviour. Another thing that annoys me is when people say that he's a footballer, that's all he knows, he should be allowed to go back to it. I work in an office, like many people on this site I would've thought, and if I had a string of offences against me, been in and out of prison a couple of times then I wouldn't be able to get a job in an office again, I wouldn't even get an interview. I'd have to start rock bottom somewhere doing the worse kind of job that no one else would go for. And so should King. The bloke is scum who, when he comes out of prison, should struggle to make ends meet and I hope he disappears into obscurity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Thats different and you know it. That is about gross misconduct in your profession, not your private life. Sorry Alps but my experience in teaching shows a quite different picture. If a Teacher is found Guilty of a drivving offence this in most cases is a 'Breach of Contract' insofar as most of us were required by our contracts to be 'Peripatetic' (Obliged to travel as the Employer sees fit - within the parameters of our Professional Qualifications of course) Should we becaught shop lifting or arrested for 'over indulgence' we could be bringing our School or College into disrepute. Summay offence.In MK's case Wigan are perfectly within their rights to sack him as he is 'Frustrating the Contract' to which he signed ie 'To play football' Until I see his contract I shall reserve judgement on his dismissal. Suffice to say I, as a very long suffering Saint, wouldn't welcome him to Saint Marys whatever he says about being rehabilitated. Punching a young girl in the face so hard that she was knocked to the ground just because he felt 'rejection' is an arrogant and pathetic response. It's also very difficult to quantify 'Gross Misconduct'. eg Summary Dismissal for consuming Alcohol on the Premises is the norm in may occupations but in a Brewery up until the more recent past employees were given a couple of pints a day which MUST BE CONSUMED ON TH PREMISES. Funny old thing this Industrial Relations Law. I taught it for 25 Years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 A registered Sex offender is still a registered sex offender no matter what level the offence. MK's actions that will earn him that title seem to be a little more than some stupid harrasment (not the punch in the face mind) but he will be known as a Sex offender all the same. Working at a football club there will un-doubtedly be women working there and also have a fan base including many women and children. Can you imagine SFC wheeling out a player on the sex offenders list to open a new class room at a local school? Jay, I don't disagree with what you're saying. As I said above, I hope he never plays in the professional game again. I just think there is a difference between the type of jobs we discussed. If something had been chosen besides doctor I probably wouldn't even have started But the privacy and intimacy of a doctor's job is unavoidable. The examples you give above for a football can all be controlled by the club very easily. However its nice to have some debate without someone thinking I'm getting personal with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 In MK's case Wigan are perfectly within their rights to sack him as he is 'Frustrating the Contract' to which he signed ie 'To play football' Until I see his contract I shall reserve judgement on his dismissal. Now, say we'd signed a player for £3m on a 3 year contract, and he then goes and gets banged up and has to serve 3 years. Great - cancel his contract and save the wages... but you've still wasted £3m. Are there any rules about that? Maybe the club has to cover that risk with insurance, if so I'd think King is now uninsurable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Now, say we'd signed a player for £3m on a 3 year contract, and he then goes and gets banged up and has to serve 3 years. Great - cancel his contract and save the wages... but you've still wasted £3m. Are there any rules about that? Maybe the club has to cover that risk with insurance, if so I'd think King is now uninsurable. What did Chelsea do after Mutu got banned? If I'm right didn't they sue him for the transfer fee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 The Club could possibly sue for Breach of Contract and endeavour to have some of his assets 'sequestered'. However, (isn't there always an however?) it would depend on what the players wages are. £5000 not much hope. But £35,000? They'd get their money back by not having to pay them. As I said earlier. I'd like to see his contract as it would certainly contain his terms and conditions of employment AND reference to both the Grievance and Disciplinary Procedures. PS. I still wouldn't want him at St Marys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 You're thinking of Robertson? Indeed I am, I apologise. However, I refuse to believe that no-one on this thread has ever gone over the speed limit on a motorway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alki_in_korea Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 not to sound rude but **** the ****.dnt care who u are u dont mistreat women like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Indeed I am, I apologise. However, I refuse to believe that no-one on this thread has ever gone over the speed limit on a motorway. Hmmm. I wouldn't bet your house on that. I'm sure there might be a few people who might be too young to/can't drive. Or do you mean on their BMXs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 November, 2009 Share Posted 2 November, 2009 Hmmm. I wouldn't bet your house on that. I'm sure there might be a few people who might be too young to/can't drive. Or do you mean on their BMXs? I said no-one on this thread, there only has to be one and i'm right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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