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Two points droppped. We should be winning these games.

 

Anything else is underperforming.

 

To be fair, underperforming away from home and drawing is not a disaster.

 

However, we missed a golden chance to reduce the play-off deficit to 10 points. It's now twelve, with one game less to play.

 

Let's hope this is the last draw this season. Victories only from now on chaps.

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I see we are still 3rd in the form table:

 

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html

 

Great comeback today. Clearly just one of those days where we struggled to finish off the chances. Nice to see we are now 5 games unbeaten. 4-5-1 or 4-4-2, I'll leave that one to AP, I have every confidence in him. I am just a bit concerned about the number of goals we are conceding, it's a long time since we kept a clean sheet.

 

Look forward to hearing the views of those at the game.

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I love Rickie Lambert to bits & he is going to end up being a legend for this club. He scored his 11th & 12th goals of the season today and - more importantly - on a day when no-one else could find their scoring boots - he was wearing his, stood up to the mark & bailed us out of trouble with 2 fine goals - the second of which I believe was sheer class. Well done today lads for the effort (on another day we may well have won handsomely), well done to the vocal travelling yellow army (superb throughout), and well done - above all else - to Rickie Lambert. I will enjoy a cold beer tonight on your behalf sir!

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Also noticed from that form table that Bristol Rovers have lost five on the trot. Bodes well for a bit of FA Cup revenge.

Time for that first Saints' hat-trick, Rickie?

 

Yeah, they have fallen to pieces since beating us. Time for revenge!

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Just happy with a point after going 2-down.

 

A rest from the League - and the team next week will show Pardews intent! I would be happy to rest a few and not risk an injury to key players. Couldn't care less about revenge - I just want us to concentrate on reaching the play offs. Selfish perhaps but what do we gain by extended runs in the Cups?

 

I'm sure the travelling fans were superb - and must confess when 3000+ Saints fans get it together they are pretty special. Big game at home to consider in the League - Brighton on a Sunday...but not sure how to feel. We could continue winning in the Cup games - and when we need that extra 10% in the play offs the extra Cup games may have taken their toll. Hate losing but what is more important?

 

Know this is probably the wrong thread - but it needed saying!

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The report on Orients website says we totally battered them, so perhaps a draw is

disappointing. However coming back from 2 down away from home shows character.[i said 1-1 to a mate, because the law of averages says we were going to drop points sooner than later]. Also this result will prove to the players that they still have plenty of work to do, to get up the league.

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they have some bitter fans....

 

''Cheated out of a win. A deliberate handball in the build up helped set up the equaliser. If there was ever a day when a football club was consumed by its own ego and smug it was Southampton today. Thinking they could walk in and easily win purely for being called Southampton, showed why they are where they are.

 

1-0 down within 44 seconds, a few of them looked quite shocked, well to be fair they weren't the only ones as we are one of the worst teams in this league. One of our best players Mkandawire has to go off with a deep cut to his head despite scoring. On comes Ashworth, who to fair be coped well. Southamptons only chance in the first half was missed by Lambert, who somehow missed from 6 yards.

 

Second half, the inconsistent Townsend from a breakaway delivers a pinpoint cross and it comes off Jaidi for another classic Own Goal.

 

Now, we don't have the quality players and fitness that Southamptons do. Williams subs didn't work. Scowcroft came on and offered nothing. Southampton, after alot of pressure deservedly pulled a goal back, they put us under alot of pressure and got their deserved equaliser, thanks to the ref not spotting a handball in the buildup.

 

We put up an excellent fight, if Southampton and their fans didn't have their heads up their own arses they'd have strolled to a victory.

 

A draw was a fair result, but not in the circumstances from which Southampton got it from.

 

The fact that the travelling Southampton supporters were celebrating a point against one of the worst teams in this league says it all about them. Naive and a bit fickle.''

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Also noticed from that form table that Bristol Rovers have lost five on the trot. Bodes well for a bit of FA Cup revenge.

Time for that first Saints' hat-trick, Rickie?

 

:cool: And you just know what that means don't cha :cool: (in the past anyway!!)

 

I think we have got past the point where we were cannon fodder to any team on a bad streak and are more than capable of beating them.

 

FAO of Yorkie, whilst agreeing with the promotion is our No 1 goal, I also agree whole heartedly (and hope that he sticks to his guns) that winning breeds a winning mentality. So I'd like to see a strong team for this match.

 

One of my many gripes with Redkrap was his team selection for cup matches ... virtually said "okay we can't be arsed with this, roll on next week" And then blame the kids (for playing his tactics etc) and losing at Mansfield etc or to roll over so tamely V Man U in the relegation season against an under strength Man Yoo when we should have been tearing into em instead of waving a white flag at KO :mad:

 

Ooops gone off on a tangent .... play to win every game.

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After recent results this felt like a loss at full time, but on reflection, we can even have a nightmare and still get a result out of it. We can't go all season winning every match, sometimes we'll draw, and i'd rather it happened away than at home. So on reflection, a good away point. WELL DONE SAINTS

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The report on Orients website says we totally battered them, so perhaps a draw is

disappointing. However coming back from 2 down away from home shows character.[i said 1-1 to a mate, because the law of averages says we were going to drop points sooner than later]. Also this result will prove to the players that they still have plenty of work to do, to get up the league.

 

Orient have conceded 28 times, which is the second worst defensive record in the division.

 

Perhaps many of us were guilty somewhat of automatically expecting a Saints win? To add to that; clubs such as Orient see us as a very big scalp in this league which is partly true I guess & as such they (and many other teams) will raise their game considerably.

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I think some of us got carried away a little on the build up to this game, turn up and come home with three points, I went for a 4-1 win so I am guilty as charged. To come back and draw after going 2 down is a great result in the past we would have folded and lost by 3 or 4. If we can win our home games and draw away we should be in a good position come May 2010.

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With better luck we could have walked todays game but fair pley to the lads they kept at it and got the point. We were by far the better side, a little dodgy a set pieces but our play was good for long periods of the game. We mixed it up and on another day it would have come off. I'm pleased with the result even though before the game I thought we were a shoe in for three points. These type of games happen and we stuck to it and got a point where as other seasons we would have losts. Good support, good day out and in the pub happy.

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Does anyone have the data required to put together a week by week assessment of how many points we needed to get into the playoffs?

 

We started off 10 points off them (with our -10 and everyone else's 0), I think we were 18(?) points off them a few weeks ago and now it is back to 10.

 

It would be interesting to keep a watch on it as the season goes by too.

 

I have to say I am getting cautiously optimistic that we might just squeak in there by the end of the season.

 

Rather sad, but I have done the stats. Based on our last 8 games of 17 points, and applying a linear projection of this current form we would get 78 points.

 

To hit 74 points which should enough to secure 6th place we need 62 points from our remaining 31 games, exactly 2 points a game.

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Just back form the game.

 

How we let them score two goals is beyond me!

 

On another day we'd have won that 6-0.

 

Great atmosphere and support as always.

 

Lambert & Connoly are a different class and we MUST sign Antonio if at all possible.

 

Great day out.

 

It's so refreshing to come away from games with a smile on my face.....

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They don't rate Papa too much...

 

''they did look capable of catching us out at times down the wings. Daniels was caught out too often and was troubled by the pace of their number 9, but thankfully said player was beyond dreadful - a contender for the worst footballer I've seen play in League One.''

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The Manager and the Players will see this as 2 points dropped against an average Div 1 side but, of course, it could have been worse.

 

We are going to get the odd result like this but we canot afford too many slip ups if we are going to challenge the top 6.

 

Good comeback from a fighting Saints side though and not for the first time this season.

 

I am quietly confident we will gradually rise up the table. Playoffs may be a step too far but still possible.

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Although disappointed at only drawing 2-2, to come back from 2 down makes it feel like a win. :cool:

 

Can't be too down beat as it sounded like a cracking game rather than a lucky comeback.

 

Agree about the 4-4-2 but to be fair we had plenty of chances to get a head with the 4-5-1

 

Having the players to be able to change formations seamlessly AND a manager who will happily make that decision is a major major step forward for us.

 

Pressure off now the winning streak is off, now we can get back to another 4 wins before another draw :D

 

 

Spot on ,especially the 'pressure off' sentiment. Now let's go again!

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Great come back and great atomosphere (only slightly spoilt by the bunch of middle aged Saints fans who arrived late and drunk then proceded to pick fights with everyone in sight. Mostly other Saints fans! Crap stewarding didn't help).

 

Their first goal was obviously a planned home advantage thing - run the ball into corner where the low afternoon sun blinds the defenders. I missed their second so can't really comment.

 

We should have won by a mile. I'm not one of the 4-4-2 zealots but I really do think we need to start with Connolly up front with Ricky way next game.

 

Got to ****ing love Ricky.

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wel back from the game and have to say their early goal knocked all of us for six.my one gripe is why 4-5-1 when they were there for the taking and when we went to 4-4-2 we battered them.still ill take the point as its better than none,support was a bit up and down but well done to all.at least we dont drop our heads now when we go behind.ricky lambert is top draw and if we had connoly up there with him all game these draws we'd turn to wins.have to praise llalana,gave his all for saints,all over the pitch.

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Good comeback but pardew changed team too late. We should have changed at half tome...just like I posted...why do some managers insist on not changing until 10 minutes into the second half? If it ain't working change it straight away rather than giving it an arbitrary amount of extra time!

 

Let us not forget.....MK Dons, 55 Mins in, 1-0 down, subs made, 3-1 win = FACT

 

Just didn't quite come off today.....in Pards we trust!

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Leyton Orient manager Geraint Williams told BBC London 94.9:

 

"If you look at the full 90 minutes then you'd have to say that we were the better side"

 

Hmm. Didn't sound like that to me over the radio...

 

Don't think the Beeb stats agree either:

 

Orient---------------------Saints

 

49%-----Possession---------51%

 

2------Shots on target--------9

 

4------Shots off target--------8

 

5----------Corners-----------13

 

9-----------Fouls------------14

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We were much better than them! If we played them 10 times we would gave drawn one. The ball didn't fall for us and Lloyd James and trotman had poor games. Lallana was poor today and missed 2 sitters. Waigo played well as dud the subsbut Hammond was below par.

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Let us not forget.....MK Dons, 55 Mins in, 1-0 down, subs made, 3-1 win = FACT

 

Just didn't quite come off today.....in Pards we trust!

 

Fair point but I still think some managers are too dogmatic about the timing of their substitutions. As you rightly point out...it worked on 55mins last week but not quite this week. Suggests to me maybe the manager needed to do the subs a bit earlier this time around

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Sounds like I missed a cracking game, but a big thanks to EoA for sending me txt updates.

 

Think this will go down as the kick in the a*se that all teams need as they get really into their stride.

 

When did we last come back from 2 goals down away from home to get a point?

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Not the result we all wanted at the start, but a great recovery. Looking at the stat's & the reports sounds like it was almost 1 of those days so all in all a great comeback from 2-0 down away from home. Well done Ricky Lambert what a goal machine. Hope we can do something to keep Antonio, sounds like he had a stormer when he came on again.

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Good point in the end and had we anyone other than Lambert with their shooting boots on, we'd have won comfortably. Poor from Pardew though, 4-4-2 and we'd have given them a hiding and he has to put his hand up and it was not good enough first half with 4-5-1. Still, if Pardew can match his excellent purchasing of players with a more positive outlook in the way we set up, we will win a lot of games. We DO NOT NEED 4-5-1 as there is not a side in this league that should worry us, let's get on the front foot from the start of every game for the rest of the season from minute one.

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Should of won, had so many chances but alot of things didn't fall for us whereas in recent weeks the breaks have gone our way.

 

Trotman and Hammond (probably carrying a knock) were below par. Out of the 64 corners we had, James floated 63 of them harmlessly towards the penalty spot. I would get Harding to take them and whip them in with his left peg.

 

Lambert's goals were different class, the second one wouldn't look out of place in the Prem. Connolly came on and made a big difference, what he doesn't have in pace he more than makes up for with his touch and fantastic movement. It will be a frightening partnership when they get a run of games together.

 

Fantastic support and we're obviously moving in the right direction.

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Two points droppped. We should be winning these games.

 

Anything else is underperforming.

 

To be fair, underperforming away from home and drawing is not a disaster.

 

However, we missed a golden chance to reduce the play-off deficit to 10 points. It's now twelve, with one game less to play.

 

Let's hope this is the last draw this season. Victories only from now on chaps.

 

 

Totally agree with that view...looking at our team, depth and performances...playing teams like this with the following (half the stadium) we had today, we need to be winning these games if we want to push up the league.

2 Points dropped. Great come back...good fighting spirit, but that doesn't get you 3 points...i'd say 90% of saints fans were expecting a win before the game.

Positives is, I can't think of any other Saints team that I was still confident of us getting something out of the game even at 2-0 down.

I fully expect us to be pushing for that last playoff spot this season....we've GOT to win these games.

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Two points droppped. We should be winning these games.

 

Anything else is underperforming.

 

To be fair, underperforming away from home and drawing is not a disaster.

 

However, we missed a golden chance to reduce the play-off deficit to 10 points. It's now twelve, with one game less to play.

 

Let's hope this is the last draw this season. Victories only from now on chaps.

 

...and then there's the real world. A great fighting comeback and a good result.

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To all those demanding 4-4-2 from the start, it may be worth remembering that Connolly's only just coming back from a long-term injury so probably isn't fit enough to start games just yet, especially given that he's now in his 30s.

 

Also, I'm not sure how effective Antonio would be if he started games, he seems to do really well as an impact sub when the opposition defenders are getting knackered. Might be worth trialling that in the cup next week (if he's still with us then of course)

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We played better than them, just they took two chances and went 2-0 up. Then they tried to block us out and we done well to come back. A real fighting performance which we would not have seen last year. Again, Antonio and Connolly coming on made a difference. Although most expected us to win today I am not too disappointed about 2-2 as it was a good fight back and we could have had more.

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Back from the match. It was one of those games where nothing would falll right for us. we had few good clearcut chances despite loads of possesion. They defended very deep with 8 behind the ball for most of the match and managed to get something in the way of most of our attacks to break them up. Connolly was probably affected by this more than any other player, nothing fell for him. Their goals were pretty much the only serious attacks they had.

 

If we keep on playing like this we will win more games than we lose or draw. Not sure if it will be enough to get us to the playoffs, but we have to aim for it.

 

Waigo posed a threat in the first half when he had the ball on the wing, but there was no real end product. Antonio is very direct but he's got a lot to learn about delivering a final ball. he overruns the ball a bit too often, but he's 19 so has time to learn.

 

All in all a great comeback and it feels disappointing to not have 3 points after the effort and the commitment.

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The subs played well but thought papa played well too today and caused problems. Was unlucky to come off. It was definately one of those games today, nothing fell for us and could have won 5 or 6 nil

 

It's amazing how different fans can have different views because i though Waigo didn't do good enough. He was given the ball countless times and the majority of the time he did not beat his man nor centre the ball into the box.

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Leyton Orient manager Geraint Williams told BBC London 94.9:

 

"If you look at the full 90 minutes then you'd have to say that we were the better side"

 

Hmm. Didn't sound like that to me over the radio...

 

Yes, well, MK Dons management thought they matched us and deserved something out of the game last week. :^o

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This was the first time I've seen Papa play and I was disappointed with him. He seemed to make the wrong decision most of the time and threatening moves broke down. I think he should have come off at half-time, if not earlier. In the first half we played well but looked poor in front of goal - nobody seemed to want to take a shot. There was one example that sticks in my mind. Papa steaming in from the right wing - he should have taken it on and shot but he passed backward across the area and missed everyone. Rickie's flicked headers went to no-one, as nobody anticipated them and made the run (which seems strange as he was winning nearly all of his aerial duels so you'd think someone would spot this). Not sure which of the midfield were supposed to be getting forward to support - but only really saw Lallana helping out. So despite the good play it was no real surprise that we went in at half-time without scoring

 

We transformed with the sustitutions and both Connolly and Antonio were outstanding (IMO) - suddenly we had a very threatening front line and scored two goals. Only had a clear view of the first goal but it was an excellent strike.

 

Connolly was amazing he ran at full pelt every time we moved forward and created openings and options that helped Rickie start playing more in their box than on the edge where he spent a lot of the first half. Antonio took on defenders, passed them and went for the by-line - brilliant!!

 

Like others have said on here if we had started the game this way we would have won it.

 

Their 2 goals - the first caught us napping and was a well worked goal - they knew the drill and executed it well - we were sleeping. The second was unlucky, it looked like there was no real danger but as Trottman was running back he couldn't see who was behind him so decided to try and play the ball back to Kelvin but misjudged it.

 

To be fair Orient did try to work the break-away effectively and developed a couple of good positions. In the second half they attacked towards me so I had a good look at the back 4 and Dan Harding impressed me again - he was excellent.

 

MOM - Connolly because he created the openings, changed the shape of the attack and that allowed us to come back and for Rickie to score.

 

PS - the Saints fans were awesome today...................................

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Just back from the game,happy to have got the draw in the end given the circumstances,2 unfortunate goals to concede!! Predicted the result in the build up thread,was very much a wake up call for the fans that thought all we had to do was turn up today to win 3 points.

 

Agree that the 4-5-1 really isn't working,Lambert looked ****ed off up there on his own,the game completely changed once Antonio and Connelly came on,like others have said its nice to have that bit of quality in the bench to bring on.

 

No one performed too badly,Jaidi and Trotman looked strong as usual and won pretty much everything in the air. Davis couldn't have done much about either of the goals.

 

James' corners were woeful,why is a left footer not taking them so they swing inward,simple isn't it?

 

Waigo was getting a lot of the ball down the right wing,but his crosses were either going straight to the keeper or instead of trying to turn his marker he'd try and play for a throw or corner,needs to show a bit more confidence.

 

Wotton did alright,played a couple of great through balls which unfortunately amounted to nothing.

 

Lambert took his goals well,the second one was a cracking volley,hope we hold on to him should we fail to get promoted. Just wish we could win when we take a massive away following!

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